TTC 10 months + Part 17.

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For all the lovely 10+ers, and anyone else lurking, who has been trying for long enough to start worrying. This is a great place to rest until the elusive BFP shows up.

Insurmountable even

Sar – only 10weeks left. Wow! Goodness, it’s coming up to a year since we all met that day and I bet you never thought that a year later you would be so close to having a baby. It’s really interesting hearing about your perspective and I’m sure if your first pregnancy had worked out, you wouldn’t have had this outlook. I’ve always imagined birth and morning sickness to be much easier than all this rubbish. A friend told me that she thought I would find motherhood a walk in the park compared to everything. I’m really not sure about that as I guess it depends on your baby! I think it’s amazing you haven’t become neurotic and anxious during your pregnancy and wonder why that is. There is no way i wouldn’t be anxious or neurotic in pregnancy. I would always be expecting the worst. Anyway, having some hope but having a life at the same time as dealing with this dark cloud is the key but it’s bloody hard isn’t it. Anyway wishing you all the best for the final few weeks.

Sea – waiting for results is awful. I sympathise. And about your night out. It really bothers me that infertility makes us feel like a failure. What other medical issue makes people feel like this? At the end of the day, it is all down to luck and good old nature. If people have kids easily, then it’s nothing they have worked for, I mean alcoholics and drug addicts can have children, people are given their reproductive health on a plate and ultimately are just damned lucky that everything works as it should. I think the ultimate issue is that having a baby is seen as a sign of an achievement that mother’s and father’s then take credit for (although whether it really is an achievement is something to debate). But I guess when we haven’t achieved parenthood when everyone else has, then of course it makes us feel like failures. But really it shouldn’t! Instead we should feel proud of how we soldier on and how we handle years of infertility and all this medical treatment and miscarriages and everything else that is chucked at us. Surely that is an achievement? On that random note....

I’ve never heard of this embryoscope. Is it really expensive?

sar thank you for your lovely post. It helps so much to hear from 10+ graduates and know that there is hope.
A girl in my office who just returned from maternity leave was describing her struggle with a baby with colic. I always imagined myself as a fairly easy going mum but wonder, if I get there, if the long ttc journey will have made me neurotic.

My friend opted for a home birth and I felt angry that she was so reckless. Needless to say, this anger was primarily made up of jealousy and resentment, that I'd love to feel confident enough to have a home birth, and in the end it all went fine. The long ttc battle has so many unexpected side effects.

critter so great to hear from you too

lemon glad that your spotting has stopped. How many sleeps till your scan now?

rabbit fab news that you are starting IVF !

cos I'm thinking of you lots and hope you're doing ok.

afm I'm nearing the end of the 2ww and feeling the mild optimism of this time of month.

sea the feeling of failure is sadly familiar. As joy says so eloquently, we shouldn't feel it but there are now so many friends and work colleagues that have had one or two since we started ttc, it's hard not to feel like I've done something wrong.

Gotta go, it's taken me nearly all day to write this.

Hugs to all.

Hi there just a quick update that bleeding seems to have stopped at the weekend so so far seems to have been just like a heavier period. I'm trying not to speak too soon in case this is just a lull but even seemed to have the beginnings of cm yesterday so am hoping am getting back to normal? Had the loveliest spa weekend away, much needed!

Big waves and hugs to everyone starting Ivf rounds and big hugs to Joy, Nelly, Pout, Rabbit and anyone else having a tough time. Mrsden mood swings sound familiar - stimming is lots easier. Ten I've heard of embryoscope but not used it. I would be tempted next time. Rum I had the scratch this last time, def worth a go.

I totally agree with the discussions about feelings of failure. And it's so odd and not right that I feel that an m/c is somehow easier to tell people about / easier for people to sympathise with and actually really isn't the worst thing I've gone through by quite a long way (so far). Joy I think I remember you saying something similar. I think the hardest thing in this whole thing is dealing with hope and the prospect of the never-ever, whilst also trying to keep going with the ttc and everything else in your life.

Sea that night out sounds really tough. I sometimes wonder how my single friends cope.

Coco I completely sympathise with the feelings towards the friend and the home birth. A friend pg with her 3rd said to me she thought she might be but thought she'd leave it a couple of weeks and see - that also really got to me, being that relaxed about it. So how I'd imagined I'd be, relaxed home birth type and so far from how things are now!

Sar am so glad you're managing to enjoy some anxiety free time in your pg. Not long now.

Speaking if which I wonder how Doll is getting on and whether even-minier-doll is here yet?

Euro I sympathise with the clinic choice dilemma I have no idea where we'd go next - cheapest and local (and most bog standard)?, new life to do immune alongside? or full on at ARGC?

I've been dr googling about progesterone since this last round included additional progesterone and I've been wondering how significant that was or not and found this which I thought was interesting

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130708142949.htm

Lemons and Mad hope everything's ok with you both. Waves to Critter and Gin and anyone else I missed.

It has been so quiet on here the past few days. I hope it is because everyone is not thinking about ttc. But, I am missing you so hopefully this post will smoke you out

cos, sending you a huge and supportive hug. The progesterone stuff is interesting. I have long thought that mine drops off way too soon as I get 3-7 days spotting in most cycles. I suppose, in my case, that egg quality might mean that the corpus luteum isn't up to the job or maybe the egg and corpus luteum aren't as directly related as I tend to think. I never used to spot in this way and on more positive days I hope that ivf might overcome this issue. It frustrates me that progesterone is not prescribed in the uk as something to try - it is in the US and I have read many people on forums who have found this is all they need.

sar, I loved your post. I am so glad that you have managed to keep a calm head through your pregnancy and it is inspiring to know that this is possible. I totally empathise with your experiences of ante natal groups. In the good old days I looked forward to meeting new people through pregnancy but I now don't even think I will join an NCT group at all. I might be interested in meeting up with people who have been on a longer ttc journey but the thought of small talk with people who would have no idea about my route into pregnancy and who are in a very different place to me fills me with dread. Maybe I will feel differently should I ever get there. Frankly, I couldn't give a shit about a lot of the things I know I would have worried about had I have conceived easily. For example, I know that breast feeding would have been very important to me once. But now I just want a healthy baby that arrives safely. I struggle to think much beyond that.

Doll, if you are reading, may you have had a sneeze birth. We are all thinking of you.

Joy, have you got a new plan on the cards? How are you feeling?

Rum I am glad you have got the green light. I think we will be doing this together as I am all systems go to be stimming in about two weeks. Den I guess you will be at that stage too? Anyone else I've missed? Ten? It is like you are all race horses and I am a big fat shire horse! But I am OK with my non racing tendencies I think, I feel much better than I did last month. I had my injection training yesterday and the nurse was beyond lovely and will be my nurse from now on. I cannot express how calming this has been for me, she couldn't have been more supportive, encouraging and understanding. My experience at my nhs hospital was a million miles away, brusque, unfriendly and anxiety producing. I am so glad that I am having treatment where I am. She spent an hour with us and answered every question. I am shocked at how strong my drugs will be but pleasantly surprised at the smallness of the needle and how easily the powder dissolves, I had visions of some crusty powder you had to stir. Anyway H is doing all the jabs and we even got to practice with water and it didn't hurt or bleed. Phew. I am also surprised that there is a remote possibilty that I could over stimulate. I thought with my non folicles this would not even be on the cards but it transpires that there is a big question mark over my left ovary as having the potential to just have been hidden by gas (grr) so it could possibly have follies they haven't accounted for. This all seems unlikely though. I do have some ivf questions (again, sorry).

As I will be working through this to the best of my ability it is quite stressful not to know when I will be off work as I will need to arrange cover and this doesn't work well at late notice. However, I will be taking ec off and possibly egg transfer as they may do that under heavy sedation due to my wonky cervix. I wondered what days people have had egg collection on here so I can try and work out a window where that might happen? Also, what time have you done jabs? Before bed? And lastly I really know that alcohol is not OK but it is my anniversary in the first few days of stimms. Nurse said NO booze whatsoever. Not even a sip? Sad face. Is this because of the drugs and interactions? I probably won't but we are going away and there is free champagne included. I can't believe I am asking this I must sound like a right alco. I have quite the booze entirely and I'm not finding it toooo bad. I had my eye on that one glass of champagne though...

That is my news. I am OK. I might be facing significant fertility challenges but there is nothing I can do to change my ovaries beyond what I am doing. Onward and hope for the best I guess.

That said, sea your post really resonated with me. I had the most shocking pregnancy announcement in this journey so far on Saturday, a friend who is considerably younger than me and who I had no idea was on that page at all. I counted her as a not going to do that for a long time person. I found out accidentally through another friend who thought I knew. I didn't and wondered why said friend had gone quiet over the last 6 weeks. I felt like I had literally been kicked in the stomach and how I smiled through it I will never know. I have no idea when she was planning on telling me. I find the awkwardness worse than the news. I sobbed when we got home and H was also upset as she is a good friend of his. I could just see the same thing happening over and over on a loop for years to come. But I am Ok now.

We are not failures. It is so easy to look at everyone on this thread and see two things. That they will be OK and that they are far far more than the thin thread in life that this bastard ttc really is. The fact that we are still working/functioning/smiling is testament to a deep strength in all of us. There are so many amazing things about all you ladies in what you are capable of and how funny and caring you are. And yet, the other side of this is that it is almost impossible to feel that about myself. It is a cruel hand to be dealt in life. But believe me that you have in no way failed, you have just been bloody unlucky. And things will come good.

Oh and in case I wasn't stern enough that was a nudge for people to come and talk to me as I am working from home and periodically checking. This includes the diffed, the grads, the lurkers and pout, if you feel like saying hello and telling us about big dog and crafts and lovely pout things. Miss you.

Ah Rabbit what a lovely post. You sound in a much better place than a few weeks ago and I'm SO glad. I'm so glad you got such a lovely nurse too, it makes such a difference as the whole thing is so anxiety provoking. Both my EC days were about when you would expect ovulation - 16 or 14 ish I think from memory. I was scanned every few days and usually had a couple of days notice of the next scan. Interesting about the over stimming possibility. Nothing is ever concrete is it, the minute you think you've had a diagnosis the next time you see someone you hear something different. Nothing heard from a fertility specialist should ever be taken as gospel!

Is that definite then that they don't prescribe progesterone in the uk as something to try? I've booked an appt with a gp next week to ask that very question. I'm the same I always spot in the week before my period and wonder if there just isn't enough progesterone to get the uterus ready to support implantation. I might be clutching at straws, I just fancied something else to try before Ivf again. Have you ever asked that question of a doctor?

I'm sure 1 glass of champers will not phsyically affect things, I'm sure Doll said she had the odd glass. If it lifts your spirits it might do you good!

Cos I asked my nhs consultant and gp who both said no. The spotting has driven me crazy as no one has ever seemed interested and yet this was not always something I had and strikes of there being something out of kilter to me. My cons was convinced it was a polyp or cervical erosion but that's daft as it is clearly hormonal as it's cyclical and my smear revealed no erosion. Buzzy kindly sent me a packet of cyclogest that I've wussed out of taking as I've always been having tests, irregular cycles you name it. I wonder if a private gynae would prescribe it or if a gp would if it was for spotting (which is a bloody pain) rather than ttc?

I've no idea about progesterone support. I was given it on the ivf cycle and it gave me thrush so I'm not the biggest fan of the suppositories.

Cos, I, glad you're feeling a little brighter. It's great that you're thinking ahead already to the next round.

Rabbit, yay to a nice nurse. Most of them at my clinic are nice but I sometimes interpret their show if kindness for pity, which probably isn't the case.

I've had a shitter of a day at work. If only I was pregnant and had maternity leave to look forward to ha! I was in a meeting and daydreaming about telling my boss I was pregnant.

rabbit and cos I just saw your lovely posts and I'm so glad to hear of some brighter days. I'm wanting to sleep so just a quick message to say hi and give booze advice rabbit I have never heard of any interaction with drugs or anything like that. Different clinics and perhaps also individual doctors and nurses present these things in different ways. As cos remembers I was almost booze free for my first round but not for the second. I knew I wouldn't hold it against myself, that's the only thing I think. Ok sleep now for me. Oh infant Doll has not made an appearance, still leaping about on the inside. X

Cos – I’m pleased that the bleeding has stopped. Have you poas to check that everything has gone back to 0? I totally agree with you about the m/c thing. People are much more responsive to hearing you have had a miscarriage. Ultimately that should have been your baby and people can relate to that, even if they haven’t had a m/c themselves. It sounds awful and i think i have said this in the past, I have often found myself using my miscarriages to try and divert attention away from my infertility and the feelings of failing and embarrassment when I’m questioned by friends. A kind of “i have been pregnant you know but it ended”. I know that’s terrible because in actual fact I have found infertility and the emotional side effects much tougher than miscarriages plus ironically having a miscarriage made me feel like a failure too.
Interesting about the progesterone. It really should be a matter of course for people doing ivf and fets. It can’t harm. My levels were over 500 and the Argy thought that was on the low side. Considering naturally pregnant people need a level above 40, i thought 500 was a bit extreme! So what are you thinking Cos, are you hatching a plan? Do you want to take some time out or would you prefer to try and crack on with another cycle asap?

Rabbit – I love your posts. You write eloquently and thoughtfully. You sound more positive which is great. I certainly feel the same way about NCT and all that. I think I would still definitely join one but I can imagine being on a different wave length to people who haven’t struggled. My friend was saying that her NCT friends do talk about inane stuff but there is an underlying competition there too “my baby sneezed , has anyone else’s done that”. I just couldn’t cope with that. But I guess until we are there, we have no idea what we will be like. In fact I spoke to one woman at my clinic who spent £40k trying to have a baby and when she finally gave birth she hated motherhood. She couldn’t believe she had spent so many years chasing this dream and she hated it. I’m pleased to report though, after about 8 months it all clicked and she loved it. But the obsession to have another one is now great than her obsession for her first which I found disconcerting. Not sure of my point here but I guess it’s just to show, we have no idea what we will be like.
I’m so pleased you have found yourself a calming nurse. That’s definitely what is needed. In terms of EC, I had EC on day 13. Can you take the day off as sick leave so you don’t have to plan it? I know on my form it said that stimming is rarely less than 10 days but could be up to 20 or something. I would have a sip of champagne. I did have a few sips for NYE and i had just started stimming but I didn’t drink more than that because I was paranoid. They do say that you shouldn’t eat too much sugar when doing ivf, I think glucose can mess around with the stimming process and the hormone production so obviously alcohol is high in sugar. It seems to be general advice to stick to a high protein, low carb diet.

I’m really sorry about the shock pregnancy announcement. How far gone is she? It’s pretty hurtful though that you found out through someone else. I’m guessing she hadn’t told you because she felt awkward?? I think this is why my friend (i’m godmother to her daughter so we are very close) didn’t tell me. I happened to find out that she was 20wks through the grapevine. It’s terribly wounding as the only explanation is that they feel bad about telling you which makes you feel even more crap about infertility. Gahhh . I’m sorry Rabbit.
I haven’t got a plan on the cards. I guess I’m just waiting to see if the NHS can come up trumps. We have run out of resources for medical treatment so going private isn’t an option right now. Also, i feel pretty resentful about the money we have spent and if we save money, i think i would prefer to spend it on something I’m guaranteed like a really nice bicycle. Perhaps that’s the wrong attitude but the last round was the most awful waste of money to get two rotten embryos. Anyway, I think in the future if I did go private again, I would go out of the UK and to Serum in Greece. I would like to do a hysteroscopy over there actually because they seem to pick up things in women that aren’t picked up here – like septums which they remove. I may try and save for that or ask my parents to give it to me for my birthday and xmas. My clinic does hysteroscopies when people are on their period and charge £1200 for them. Well apparently a hysteo mustn’t be done when you’re on your period because they can’t see anything so I now don’t trust them when they said they couldn’t see any scarring – sth i’ve been concerned about because of the horrible pains I now get. Sorry waffle waffle.

Mrsd – well I think you will be telling your boss in 3 months time you are pregnant. Ha! And then you can tell everyone at work to go screw themselves.

Did anyone watch that Maddy McCann thing on Crimewatch last night? I had no idea the McCanns ttc for 5 years and Maddy was conceived through ivf plus Kate McCann is a gynae. So sad.

Doll!! So close so close.

I'm in research mode today - just reading this which is quite interesting

igitur-archive.library.uu.nl/dissertations/2009-0406-200411/boomsma.pdf

rabbit your post is moving. You are such a strong lady and your resilience is inspiring.

cos the progesterone article is very interesting! Is it true you can not get prescribed it in the U.K? The Drs have never managed to get a 21day blood test from me so there's no knowing where my levels are yet. All the symptoms add up (not wanting to self diagnose but..) it's given me renewed hope that there might be a solution for me that isn't IVF.

So soon doll so excited for you. !!!

coco I was against homebirth to start with but it is probably one of the better options, you get your own midwife, you can change your mind at any time, there is an ambulance on standby and the midwife goes with you to the hospital, in the hospital you share the midwife with other women in labour, if its busy you won't be checked that often.

sar I am envious of your stress free pregnancy, when do you go on mat leave

cos I hope the worst is over for you, cos were you not put on progesterone by Shehata, some places do but I think it depends on the individual clinic

rabbit you sound in a better place, sorry about the crap announcement, I wonder when she was planning on telling you both, the longer it goes on the harder it becomes

joy the embryoscope costs around 750, there was a thing on the news awhile back.It has had mixed reviews and it is still reasonably new in the UK, I think it is alot of money on top of all the other costs but a good service that should be offered.
To be honest I have no sympathy for the McCanns, they created this situation by their poor decision making, how the hell anyone can leave 3 young kids alone like that. Also the fact that they were not prepared to accept that they made a mistake just astounded me. That poor child has a less than 1% chance of being alive, what kind of existence has she had over the last 6 years because of her parents. Then there are also all the other kids who are missing who don't get the media attention because of this. Just my personal opinion of course

mrsd sorry you have had such a shitty day at work, are you being scanned on Friday

sar wow - only 10 weeks to go!

coco when I was (briefly) pregnant, I was considering a home birth. I think because of my anxiety over medical environments I would end up with every intervention going in hospital, as I reckon labour would stop due to stress. Mr euro isn't so keen though. The way things turned out, it wasn't a discussion we needed to have.

rabbit I'm glad you are feeling better. Have the champagne if you want. I drank (lightly - about one glass a week I think) up to a couple of days after ET (basically the start of the implantation window) with our first cycle, but not with the other two, and that is the one that "worked" (for a while at least). I've heard other clinics saying light drinking is fine. Mine didn't give any advice either way.

cos I can't open that. I hope you are doing ok.

joy I've heard very good things about Serum. And Penny was lovely when we did the menstrual blood testing.

Re: the embryoscope, I think the big advantage is that the clinic doesn't need to disturb the embryos by taking them out of the incubator to see how they are doing.

I've tried progesterone support on a couple of natural cycles. I do wonder why it isn't tried more here. It is cheap and low risk.

We are no nearer with clinic choice. I tried to talk to Mr euro about it last night, but he clearly wasn't in the mood. In fact, he seemed really down about it all, which is unusual for him. Of course, this is tough for him too, even if he doesn't have to go through the physical stuff.

One of my friends is in early pregnancy with her 3rd, and another has started to look a bit chunky around the middle, so I suspect an announcement is imminent (she has a toddler already). But I am suprisingly ok about it, even though my due date is approaching.

igitur-archive.library.uu.nl/dissertations/2009-0406-200411/boomsma.pdf

Also found this implantation clinic which looks interesting

www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/med/research/reproductive/bru/patientinformation/

...wonders if its quiet as people are buried in massively long document....

How is everyone who's ivf'ing?

Cos I am here! Tomorrow the drugs arrive how you doing.

People have been lovely to me on here. I've been teaching tonight so have addled brain. Proper post when I can.

Keep going ten plussers!!

Wow you're really starting, I'm excited for you!. I have everything crossed. Getting going is so much easier than all the anticipation.

I poas this am on joy's advice and still positive so taking a bit longer than I thought. I feel the need to DO something, to get on with another crack at it.

Just a quick one to say v interesting read Cos! I scanned through the paper and want to go through it properly. Warwick Nhs hospital thing looks worth investigating too and cost isn't too bad. I know you were considering argy before. I wonder if you might go for a regular ivf elsewhere and once you get bfp then get monitoring done there. I have come across ladies who do that on ff. Might be worth investigating? How are you doing? I hope the worst is over now my dear.

Rabbit. Sorry about announcement. But you are almost cycling now. How do you feel? Excited? Scared? I have got to that point now that I really just want to get to the ivf so something is being done. You sound much better these days. What a lovely post your wrote!

Joy - ever so sorry you are in limbo land. I'm hopeful for you that the Nhs might just come through. Serum sounds like a good clinic and they are much more reasonable than fees over here. I'm sorry you feel like you wasted money. I often think ivf is the biggest money making machine industry ever. What other business can charge so much for such odds. But I really believe you will get your baby. Just from all the ladies I know I feel chances appear to be better for those who have managed to get pregnant than those who have never got the bfp. I know mc is much more traumatic but I really do think with the right amount of monitoring you WILL get there.

Sar - I can't believe you are so far gone already. So lovely to hear you!

Euro - I'm intrigued. What was the period blood testing for?

Coco - I hear the home birth thing is a common manoeuvre by well researched ladies to get better care and many "change their minds" at the last minute and gives birth at the hospital. Apparently you get much better care than if you op to for hospital birth in the first place.

I think it was Joy who asked. I watched the programme about the mccanns. I was quite surprised about maddy being an ivf child. I feel sorry for them. I know they made a bad mistake to leave her but what they have endured including being accused of faking or hurting the child themselves must be awful. I think many would have given up by now and I admire them for continuing to look for her and not giving up. I'm amaze they managed to stay together after all that's happened.

cos it took 4-5 weeks for my body to 'return' to normal after the miscarriages and get a bfn, will you use your klast frostie and stick with Shehata ??

sea I have a load of police on my FB discussing the McCann case and they are all sure that the parents did it. Whatever the truth, it is awful that the case has been unsolved for so long.

The period blood testing was for various infections that can cause miscarriage. I wasn't positive for any of the main suspects but the tests did show ureaplasma (v common but a bit more common in the infertile population than the general population) and something called "hidden c" (which they say is a chlymidia test that can show positive even if the standard tests are negative and as far as you know you have never had it - which is what happened in my case). It's pretty controversial and the treatment is a really hardcore antibiotic regime. We never did the treatment as none of the less controversial infections showed up, only those two, which most clinics seem to think are irrelevant. But who knows.

rabbit you are so close!

cos I stopped testing after a couple of weeks as I found seeing the BFPs upsetting. My periods came back quickly though - the first one post-mc was just a couple of days late.

Hi ladies, just a quick checking. I've been in palace where TTC seems irrelevant, so actually forgot to check in for a few days! Some interesting chat. Haven't read the articles yet. Cos I'm glad the bleeding is subsiding but sorry it's dragging on and of course that you have to go through this at all.

Joy it's interesting what you say about making more of the MCs when you ever discuss it. For me I think it's the connotations of the word "barren"; a horrible, cruel misnomer, which reflects not a jot on the truth except in my case. I have a feeling that if I end up childless, I will embellish my IVF CP somewhat. I can't bear to have people think that I was beyond hope. Weird, aren't we?

On the CP note, the progesterone chat is interesting. My only ever BFPs were the cycle I used progesterone. And then I learned something odd. When I went for my initial appointment at the clinic this cycle, I mentioned again that both previous cycles I had bled very heavily and for an elongated time, which doesn't happen normally. I'd mentioned it to the consultant at my pre-meet but he didn't seem interested. The nurse however looked at my notes and said "oh yes your progesterone was quite high at this stage". The Prostap injection I have is meant to make it drop, and clearly it didn't. This now seems to be the reason I took so long the first cycle. But then, for no apparent reason, this cycle I didn't have the long bleed, and my follie grew very quickly - only 8 days Stimms when I had 16 the first cycle. So I'm now convinced progesterone is somehow an issue with me. I still have some of Buzzys contraband so once I'm settled into normality again I'm going to use OPKs then try using them on a non IVF cycle.

As for DE I think it is still very much on the cards. Had a good chat with my friend and we have a path forward for now. Follow up with clinic is first step and that's a few weeks away so I'm mentally taking a break. I am very financially stretched right now anyway, so no money for treatments and we both need the break. But at the end of the day we want a family. I've had a few lightbulb moments recently where I've realised I'm beginning to punish myself by constantly trying to make my body do something it won't or can't. DE is a way around that. It's not for everyone but I think it works for us. Still not sure about the anonymous vs known but after our clinic follow up we will get an AMH and AFC done on my friend and see if it is worth pursuing.

Phew that was long and all about me! Rabbit I think it's great you are starting. You know where I am. As you see from above days stimming can really vary. ET was day 2 for me because I had so few. Again you won't know for sure until nearer the time.

Coco it does sound like progesterone could be an issue with you.

Sea it's a shame you missed the whole Period to Greece episode.

Waves to Doll, Buzzy and Sar, lovely preggos :)

Lemon, hope things are quiet with you.

I need to go and do some work to allow me to buy my baby but will check in later.

Oh dear. I have not been in a palace. I have been in a place....

I'm not even going to check for other mistakes. MrN is a bit upset that I prefer my ancient laptop to the iPad he bought me .