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That's a good list Stars! No getting away from giving us answers with that lot!
Llw - cooking up lovely as you say - nice job! . I've been told that i'll be lucky to get 8-9 eggs as i have such a low egg reserve - but i'm going for it noone the less (Nothing else you can do is there!)
Loves that's all sounding good isn't it - especially like that you triggered after a - nice! x

Life and Stars I wish I'd seen your brilliant questions earlier! We've just come back from our review appointment.

Nice doctor has recommended we take all of our frozen embryos to 5 day blasto and then do a test on the cells to see if there are any chromosome abnormalities (not cheap). She said I could either do a natural cycle or take meriestra and crinone gel. She said we could do FET next week(!) which I wasn't expecting, but think we'll wait until November. I asked her what I could do to improve the chances of implantation and she kind of shrugged her shoulders and said that acupuncture can help, but with regards to diet etc she said as long as we're not eating McDonalds every night and we're eating sensibly etc then we're doing fine. I think this is probably quite a Spanish attitude as they believe they have the best food/diet in the world .

DP also asked Nice doctor about how important my state of mind is and not to be stressed etc. Think he was trying to prove a point [sceptical] as I got quite teary today as I found out ANOTHER colleague is pregnant. He's very sensible and logical and tells me other people's pregnancies have nothing to do with us, so I shouldn't get upset as it won't help etc.

Think that's all from me. Any advice about the success rates between a natural cycle and taking the hormones?

A big wave to all of you.

Iwant, I can't take the credit for them as my friend sent them to me and she said she'd got them from FF!

Nobeer, sounds like a pretty good review apt, do you feel that? If they take all onto day 5, Is it PGS you'll be doing? It's about £2000 isn't it? Gulp! I don't know lots about it as never done it, but I've heard mixed things about it, which isn't exactly helpful! It sounds like we should all be eating some lip smacking tapas too. Yum! So, will you be doing FET next week then? Exciting!! I'm afraid I can't help re comparing success between medicated or non medicated, sorry.

Stars, I do feel it went pretty well. I was in tears earlier today, and then again when she asked me how I was feeling but I left her office feeling much more positive. All in all we'll be paying about 6,000€ which includes the FET and the test. We've just had a brief chat about it (over tapas funnily enough!) and not quite sure how we feel about it ethically wise. I'm going to read a bit more about it, they've given us a leaflet and I'll be asking Dr Google. We're not going to do FET next week, I want time to read up about the chromosome testing and getting my head round things, and plus DP is working away and I want him to be there. Probably November will be best for us. So I'll be loitering away on this thread for a while yet!

Stars, I think it's PGS, but in Spanish it's DGP!

nobeer the chromosome test on a single cell of each embryo was exactly what they were showing on the TV programme I watched the other night on bbc 4 sex: a horizon guide. Miss this is what I thought u might be interested in as the lady they filmed suffered with miscarriages x. Sorry for the late post I've been visiting family and just got home. Hope all is well with everyone, night x

Ladies I need some advice. Please help...

I am down regging for an FET. I started bruserelin and it took 11 days for me to have a period. I bled for just a morning and it disappeared. My clinic booked a scan for me hoping that the bleed was sufficient. It wasn't my lining is still fairly thick. The nurse said she thinks I'm going to bleed again and has told me to wait for it over the weekend. I'm going for a blood test Monday if AF doesn't show.

I am having slight cramps but there's no sign of it. I am severely exhausted constantly and really low and emotional. I know there isn't much you can say but I need to hear from someone who understands.

Lovely Fish, it's lovely to hear from you. May I direct you to this thread where there is a lady called Vallinnapod who has just suffered a miscarriage three weeks ago after an IVF BFP. She was scanned and saw the heart beat at something like eight weeks but then miscarried. Bloody awful. She is now back on the thread having made firm plans for her next cycle. She is having PGD (Preimplantation Genetic Diagnosis) where they biopsy the embryo at day 5 to check for chromosomal abnormalities so they know they are putting genetically perfect ones back, thus reducing the risk of MC for that reason.

Maybe you will consider private messaging Vall? I do hope so as I see some commonality there and she is a lovely person who is as determined as you to not have a repeat of that awful suffering with another round of IVF. Luckystar, on the same thread, has actually had PGD during five IVF?icsi attempts and it was the one time she got a BFP. I really think you ought to talk to these ladies. I wish the very best for you, darling Fish, hold on tight x

Nobeer, I have a feeling PGD is what you, too, are considering? It sounds like an amazing piece of technology (albeit it massively expensive) and I hope all your dreams come true this time, lovely lady x

MissM, I was gobsmacked and saddened to read of your torturous experience. I am so sorry.

I think of you often tame, resipsa, pipbin, marypops, stars, choco, brooker & wish and wave to all the others

Oh, wish, you sound utterly wretched, you poor thing. I have never downregged and so cannot know how you feel but I know from others' accounts of bruserelin that it can be devilishly awful. Can you tell yourself this will all be over shortly? Does anything at all lift your mood even slightly so you can see more rationally? I'm so sorry you're suffering. I am thinking of you X

Fish, can I clarify that Luckystar has had five IVF/ICSI cycles but the only BFP she got was from the one where they used PGD. I hope that's a bit clearer.

Nobeer, I crossed posts with you. I'm sorry if I'm just repeating what you already know. Something about this PGD really excites me and if I were you and I had the money I would do it, do it, do it. I almost want to say to you 'fuck the ethical side of things; do you want a baby or not?' but I know that would be unfair and tactless (and you know that's just not me )

Morning buddies, Much as there is a lot going in in PGD-land, it is still early. It works best if there is a known cause for the miscarriages, like a translocation. The early technique of PGS on blastomeres did not improve live births, but on blastocysts things are looking better. It is however no guarantee and it is a balance between damaging the embryos and putting the most healthy one back. This is a relatively recent (and free) paper on this subject:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22384431

And wish that sounds awful. I really hope the bleed will arrive soon and you can get on with the actual FET. Why are you having to DR, what arguments did they give for it?

Wish, hun, I'm so sorry you're suffering so much on the buserilin, it really is evil stuff. Hope af comes really soon so you can get on with scan and start Stimms. I suffer horrendous depression on that stuff and I would suggest just being extra kind to yourself and sleeping as much as you can. Curl up in bed and watch some films or comedies this weekend and try and remind yourself that once you start stimming you will feel a million times better within 24 hours. Sending huge hugs xxx

Hi Prambo how ya doing?

Nobeer, that's great always good when you walk out of the appointment feeling positive and with a good plan.

Hi to everyone else. Pretty rainy down here this weekend. Think summer is over Booooo!

Sorry love, didn't see your post. Morning!

Morning all - my nasty drugs have arrived this morning. Not looking forward to bruserilin after the chat above.

On PGD I have no real experience but I did consider it at university on a medical ethics course and I think if you are going for ivf anyway and it is to make that ivf more likely to be successful why is it any different to any medical intervention. Also imagine you had lots of embryos and you had completed your family with some left over. All you'd have done is given the chance of life to one most likely to survive.

I don't know if that makes sense but these techniques exist for a reason and many people who give opinions don't even come close to having to make the choice.

X

wish sorry you're going through this. Can I give you a hug?

lemdrizz thanks for that link, i'll have a read later. xx

prambo I appreciate your tact and diplomacy How are you doing lovely lady?

I'm off to yoga now. healthy mind healthy body and all that nonsense

nobeer I welcome all hugs, I really need it!

lemondrizzle I have no idea why I'm being down reg'd. I thought it was because my lining didnt grow thick enough naturally but this surely shows it does? They haven't given me any options of a natural FET ad just told me to do this protocol.

I didn't have any follow up after my bfn so I just going with what they say, being NHS I guess I have no choice.

If AF doesn't start this weekend I'm having a blood test then they're giving me something to kick start it which could delay everything. She also said some people just done DR so it could be a failed cycle.

stars I am going to curl up today for sure. I'm staying in bed and watching as many tv series as I can all weekend! It's a shame the washing and housework needs doing!

wish I felt incredibly low on burserlin, so I really feel for you. I had something similar in that I did bleed but had a long slow period and when I went for my scan not everything was out and they wanted me to DR for longer (plus the clinic couldn't fit me in for EC anyway). That is when I lost my sh1t in the waiting room and quit the cycle. I am just saying that I really do appreciate how hard it is. If you can get through it, it will be a massive achievement, so be very kind to yourself.

I don't think that PGD would cause a massive ethical problem for me. My understanding is that it weeds out the embryos that had a chromosomal issue that means they would probably have miscarried anyway - the body is designed to kill off embies that are imperfect. All this does is bring it forward so those embies are identified and never get the chance to implant and miscarry.

I've heard of that embryoscope too but at £3-4k, we just can't afford it.

Thanks euro. It's a great to be understood. DP has been so amazing lately but today, when I truly need his support he's being picky and snappy. I just want to hide away from the world!

I hope everyone is ok. Ill be back when I have a better frame of mind.

p.s where's Tame I need a Tame hug

I'll give you a choco hug wish, that will have to do for now x

Thanks choco. snuggles in to chocos bosom

wish sending a gentle squeeze xx

Tame, you are confused: the embryoscope is simply time-lapse monitoring of the embryos over five days and costs around £750. PGD is genetic analysis of the embryos at day five (up to £3000 )

Nobeer, I would be fine thank you, lovely, except I am coming off antidepressants for the sake of this baby and am murderous. Evil, in fact

Oh Prambo (by the way are you pramqueen with a name change?) that's tough. When I got my bfp with DS I was on a/ds but had met with a community psychiatrist to discuss risks etc and because of my long history I decided I would stay on them. Hard decision though. Take care of yourself and stay supported. Hugs x