Young woman, what are you doing to me? JUST SHAGGING for my bfp, theres no need to say it, we are poas, THREAD NUMBER 16!!!!!

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Ladies, Fred title says it all; we are the ones who shag as much as our men can cope with in order to get upduffed without the stress of scientific whatnots!

Fred rules (copied from previous Fred)

1. Thou shalt shag as much as humanly possible in order to get upduffed.
2. Thou shalt not partake of OPKs, temping, or charting.
3. Thou shalt keep symptom spotting to a minimum.
4. Thou shalt share and with your fredmates where needed.

JSing lingo;

ERTD = Evil Red Tide of Dooooooommmmmmm. Or AF to most others.

Pant snot = Egg white cervical mucus.

Doing a kitten = Getting upduffed soon after joining (warning: may induce in other posters).

Viroid = This is you, dear poster. This is from the first JS thread when someone tried to type 'ladies' and it autocorrected to 'Viroids' - so there you go!

POAS = Pee On A Stick (of the pregnancy detecting kind, not from a tree). Also known as PIAR (Pee In A Ramekin - cos we're posh birds innit). Or PIATLH (Tea light holder) PIAWG (Wine glass) or anything else you care to pee in!

Shagging like something = JSing like a teenage nymphomaniac.

Giving a hooya = Giving a much needed slap to a fellow poster in danger of slipping into ttc obsession.

Contraband = Of COURSE none of us EVER partake of any silly OPKs or temp charting. They are Contraband.

The link to Part 14 is here

The link to the latest grads thread is here

Happy shagging shaggers!

Well AF is out the way finally so it's battle lines drawn.

Pretty sure I'm going to go down the Jsing route like a demented Jack Russell all month long, with a casual eye in possible ovulation dates has blatantly downloaded the clue app for scientific accuracy

Good to see there's been a BFP already, hopefully many more to come!

I'm just into CD7 now so a long wait for me...

Kit well done on the TTC skimpies. I like that idea - I might steal it and go shopping myself!

Bear I am glad that you feel comfortable offloading here - where else can you, especially when DH is bummed too? We are all here to remind each other to put those capes back on when we feel down. I have always been a firm believer that everything happens for a reason; we'll get our babies when the time is right, even if we need the power of technology and modern medicine.

Yep, Clearblue Easy Fertility Monitor. It "asked" for the first stick this morning and after fumbling with the machine like a doofus half asleep, I figured out how to get it in there right. Let's see when this thing starts "asking" us to get it on...-

Let us know how that goes Red Or not, naughty!

Bear We're all here for you and are willing on your BFP like mad things. One of my friends that got her BFP at her referral actually has PCOS, she has a beautiful 2 year old now and is hoping for an unassisted DC2. I so wish this for you. Fx really tightly

Zing It's nice to have someone cheering us on. What colour are your Pom poms?

bear we love you. You never bring us down.

I love this thread. It gives me the right support I can't get in rl. Don't get me wrong people on the outside care, they just don't get it.

Every time I talk to my mum about it she does this -really annoying- little laugh like she's saying yeah right, you have a baby. (Am I reading to much into this). I think she thinks were not ready for a baby so she's trying to put me off in the most subtle way.

Any who pic on profile. I think I got a + opk. Can you look for me. Dh and I dtd on Wednesday. Thursday and hopefully tonight.

Hi girls.
Ooh shiny new fred! I'll catch up once the rot of jet lag bores off

Ooh and congrats comms

cookie I would say that looks positive!

bear I hope you are ok, this ttc is a mean old business and just because you are focusing on getting that first child on the go just now doesn't meant once they are born you won't want to go again. It may just be that it feels like a lot of effort just now to go through this again. I hope you get your answers. In the meantime and for you.

I am two days late, cd36 and got a bfn this morning. I was 9 days late last month so obviously my cycles have decided to lengthen! Or I'm just very very irregular!

Oh don't feel like you bring us down bear, we are all here for the same reason and that includes pick me ups when we are down. And asking questions! I wouldn't have anyone to ask/discuss this stuff really if it wasn't for the fred.

Just wanted to do a little anonymous thank you to my DP who has taken my recommendation (read tear filled outburst when AF came last month) and has really tried for every other day so far. He was even naked when I came to bed last night, except for his cape! The boys can get capes too, right?

Mums are just odd Cookie. Sorry she's not being more supportive. We should make a note to try not to be judgy over our DCs when they arrive
Boy capes! My DHs would have to be blue, everything he owns is blue, although he dressed in a sludge green Tshirt, with khaki shirts and brown shoes the other day. He looked like a tree

bear, what kitkat said - we all will you on, all the time! I do! I do mental poms poms for you whenever I lurk here.

kitkat why do boys like sludge colours? I hate them. DH used to have poo coloured BEDSHEETS. Like, in case of accidents or something. So very vile and wrong.

I heart you guys.

Poo coloured bedsheets? Made for men. Ooo you could have a whole range of 'camouflage' clothes and textiles. Why has no one thought of this before?!

at DH looking like a tree Kit.

My DH's cape would be burgundy with brown stripes. He'd have the whole house decked out in burgundy if he could. Oh wait, he did when I met him?!!

Bear just to echo what everyone else said. You never bring me down. It was you that led me to this fred when I first started to realise I couldn't cope with this ttc thing by myself (well with DH but you know what I mean!). I'm totally rooting for you and I'm here for you through the ups and downs til you get your bearcub and I know you will. Don't ever feel you can't let it all out of this fred cos you can. This ttc is hard, way harder than I thought it'd be and I'm so grateful for all of you guys. You just can't share this stuff in RL because not everyone you know is going through it at the same time like we are.

I'm not doing great this week. DH is not being very supportive, he's just so flipping laid back about everything he doesn't see I'm struggling til I implode. I had a bit of a meltdown this morning before I left for work and I had to go to an awards ceremony and collect an award first thing. I thought I was collecting it on behalf of the company but actually it was presented to me personally with my name on and everything so I had to get a grip on myself and not cry cos I was feeling so pathetic. What a complete berk! And I've got my naffing review this afternoon with the MD too. Someone hooya me so I can get through the day without crying please.

ETA - does anyone else get stupidly emotional around ov time?!! Jeez its worse than pmt.

Cookie - it's odd isn't it? I haven't really discussed it with my mum, but it was forced upon us by SIL who asked me outright at a family dinner in front of everyone. I think I mumbled, 'Well, we'll see,' or something equally vague, but then after my mum, who is normally so difficult to talk to about everything sensitive issues, told me outright that it's got nothing to do with anyone but me and DH. I was at her openness and sensitivity. So, they're funny animals, mothers. I think most people with an ounce of sense will have realised by now that we're having ishoos except for stupid SIL who I had to take to one side and spell it out to

Sorry your mum isn't being more supportive though. Maybe if you were to subtly explain to her that you're serious about it and that you need her to support you, she might change her tune. I'm sure if she knew, she'd be more understanding.

Hang in there Essie and well done on holding it together at the ceremony. Maybe you need to go and have a good cry in the loo and get it all out (reminds me of 'Friends' when they have the male nanny and he says you have to get all the boo-hoos out and so Ross does and can't stop crying!) I always feel so much better after a cry. It's cathartic for me. I find trying to hold it in all the time is more difficult. Don't forget to take your make-up with you!

Thank you all for your supportive messages. It really does mean a lot. I'll do my very best to be there for you all too when you need me.

Thanks Bear. Trying to psyche myself up over a cheese sarnie ahead of my review so I'm not a total doormat. I plan to have a G&T (might as well feed the fire!) and a massive cry when I get home!

My shag plan was pointless because he came home and watched the tour de france (his friend is in it so I ought to be more sympathetic!) for hours and I went to bed without him, then he refused to wake up this morning, perhaps because he'd stayed up too late watching TDF?!! He keeps saying, 'there, there, it'll happen in time'. Not at this frigging rate it won't. It'd have to be immaculate conception. I know he's had a hard week away working on a shitty competitive pitch and wanted to wind down, and I'm probably just being a ttc lunatic.

Sorry about your SIL Bear, thats crappy, but well done for taking her aside and telling her, did she feel bad? Hope she's been more sensitive since. My Mum is ok, but I can't really talk to her about it cos she gets emotional (and my Mum is generally quite tough, so it's a bit scary when she does!) she is probably even more terrified than I am that I'm going to miss the boat and leave it all too late, mainly cos she started the menopause at 36, so she literally thinks I have 3.5 years left to do this or it's all over.

Argh, I'm sorry viroids. You can put me in the pity pool and hold me under if you want!

at MrEssies horrid cape.

Congrats! What was your award for?
God I'd LOVE an award with my name on. I'm field based so I'd take it to every visit and sit it on my 'desk of the day' so others would think I'm a tosser be in awe.

essie

here's a stupid joke to cheer you up:

knock knock
who's there?
Europe
Europe who?
no, you're a poo

lil
I sent you a PM.
I found this in "Active" the other day/night.

bear
I'm here to cheer you up and cheer you on.
22 months is slightly longer than average, but all is not lost!
I always thought that the more focus is on TTC the more likely the body has "stagefright" IYSWIM.

I know that the hardest thing is to take your mind off things, but I know so many people who conceived when they decided to change jobs, move houses or "gave up".
it's almost like the focus and the pressure was off and everything fell into place!

I hope I'm not upsetting you! I think that getting checked out is a good idea and I applaud that you are so honest here and with your DH.
upsetting stuff doesn't go away magically or by people keeping silent.

keep talking lovely!
(bear hug )

Andie

I have pink pompoms in one hand, blue in the other.
I'm well prepared...

and one more thing, what you call gentleman's relish MrZing calls it Baby Gravy!

haha! love the joke!

The award is for 'a particular and distinctive contribution to education' in my county. I help organise projects and challenges for schools kids or differing abilities to help them experience the world of work, and hopefully to inspire them a bit. I do it pretty much volutarily, but my company are very supportive (and it ticks corporate social responsibility boxes!) so I get to do it in work time mostly. It's makes me realise how blimming hard it must be to be a teacher. They don't get any recognition and they are trying to educate and inspire these kids every day. I may have to take the award into my review with me and put it on the table! Thanks for the idea kitkat! Haha!

Thus thread moves fast I'm finding it hard to keep track.

congrats in the bfp Comms!! are there any others I have missed?

in other news I got a bfn today, which means my miscarriage should be complete (finally after 5 weeks!). so hopefully I get an af soon and can get back to the JSing obviously I'm devastated for the little bean we lost but just want to move on with ttc now. a bit of a reverse from everyone on here i was actually happy to see the bfn. although it was just a cheapy amazon test, how reliable are they?

I think the cheapy ones are almost the best as they are v sensitive? They are the ones they use at the Drs anyway! So sorry you've been through a mc. So heartbreaking. Glad seems the wrong word, but I can't think of a more appropriate one, so, glad you are now getting a bfn, so it's over, and you can get back on the shag train soon and fx it won't be long before you get a sticky bfp.

Review went well, off to polish my award now (and perhaps do some actual work?!)

ooh and bear, are you allowed to tell me this? Don't want to get you into trouble but what does BESH stand for??????!!!