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TRC 10+ months. Part 15...

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MuddyWellyNelly · 05/05/2013 15:55

New thread for the lovely 10+ers. 14 was awesome so another like that please!

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mrsden · 10/05/2013 14:47

Prioritising work over this Fred critter? Tssk! I think most men fear fatherhood. I know dh was a bit reluctant and I did have to push him.

Mr euro sounds like a gem. When I feel like everything is awful I remind myself that I'm very happily married and I would rather be that and childless than have a million kids but be trapped in a loveless marriage. I also think that this infertility business is so very stressful that to survive it will make relationships stronger.

rabbitonthemoon · 10/05/2013 15:03

madness my head does indeed hurt Blush. Today has been my third hangover in two and a half years. It's felt horrible. I was so tiddly posting last night that the words were bouncing around in the page but I do remember it. I've also eaten at the Golden Arches today for the first time in forever. I am a bit aghast about it now but it was tasty. Fuck you ttc! But we did have a very amazing night out and it was a lot of fun. I'm interested in this not spotting on progesterone. I think this is a very good sign of snuggling too. nelly a lot of my friends do have 2-3 days of spotting and got diffed easily but for me it is concerning. I have cyclogest from buzzy but have been too scared to take them because of cystitis. Has this been a problem. I too hope beyond hope you get a lovely surprise later.

critter a cold sore sounds promising! You don't get to think that very often.

Talks about being angry a interesting. I am angry with my ex for staying with me whilst not wanting to marry me or have children with me, both of which he did super fast after we split up, bastard bastard bastard. However, whenever I think god I left it too late I think of having kids with him and shudder. I've been broody properly since I was 31. Maybe my fhs would have been fooked then, who knows. Hare and I got on with things at a good pace really, but we could have cracked on maybe a year earlier. My biggest regret was the years I spent on the pill and the years I had no periods due to weight. I never got my teenage periods back, they've been scanty since they returned when I was 26. den you are so right, we have husbands and good relationships. Before I met H I never thought that would happen and that was my biggest fear.

Having worked bank holiday Monday I got to leave at lunchtime and went to bed! I'm now going to have a bath. Thinking of you nelly and sar hope you are ok.

mrsden · 10/05/2013 15:14

I ate there yesterday rabbits, in a what's the unhealthiest thing I can think of to eat fit. I don't even like that sort of food. Today, I have been eating chocolate and tonight it will be wine.

Re. Spotting. I keep meaning to post here about this. I never had spotting until a couple of years ago. Af would turn up bright red and heavy without warning. Then I started getting two or so days of brown gunky flow. I mentioned it to doctors and none of them were interested. Since the lap and the cyst removal the spotting has gone. So, my conclusion is that the cyst was causing the spotting. I know that's probably not the case for many of you because you've had scans and laps but its worth considering.

joycep · 10/05/2013 15:38

Mrsd ? getting sloshed will be fun. It only takes me one small glass nowadays. 2 glasses i begin to feel grotty the next day and 3 i have a proper hangover. Totally agree with you too, i would prefer to be happily married and childless over a bad marriage with kids or single actually. The trouble with being happily married though is it makes you desperate for kids.

Nelly ? it does really sound like something has happened. I really wish this could be easier. GPs are really weird about giving out progesterone, well mine was and she refused. Can you not purchase it from your clinic? Also I hear you on the rotten scoundrels who produce children willy nilly. Makes me so cross especially when you hear people say about infertility ?it?s just nature?s way...?.

Pout ? weird you get period cramps through the 2ww. Has it always been like that? I never get them. I ?ve had a few today and I?m irritable and bad tempered which is a big sign that AF is about to come. To be quite frank, I expect my system is just f*cked.

Princess ? very late on but i realised i never said wow , 35wks already and on maternity leave. People?s pregnancies seem to go incredibly quickly yet when i was pregnant for a few weeks it felt like months and months! . you must be due around a similar time to the royal baby which btw i?m just dreading. The hoo haa will be terrible but obviously can?t wait to hear about your hard won little one. we?ll have a hoo haa on here for mini princess instead.

So i?ve had my follow up at the clinic. It was pretty unenlightening. My erpc results weren?t even in my file when I was told they were and the doctor hadn?t seen my email of questions. SIGH.
I think the upshot is my eggs aren?t very good quality. She must have said that 4 times. Hence why we didn?t have anything to freeze from the original 12 that fertilised. As i suspected my ovaries seem to be much older than the rest of me. She then said they believe sperm dna should take over after day 3 but as Roy?s sperm frag had come back normal , it came back to my egg quality. I really wish the responsibility didn?t lie with me, I feel so guilty and crap about that. They wouldn?t recommend ivf again though, it will always be icsi because there are more than 85% abnormal sperm but with over 200m it doesn?t give a smidgen of a reason to blame Roy Blush.
She said that they would probably go for a day 3 transfer next time because they would have expected a better outcome. They did seem to disintegrate after day3. Interestingly they have seen embryos start to fragment and still this can result in a baby so putting back earlier may be better. I really think the quality is probably the main reason for our infertility and i would think my nk cells do also have some part to play in perhaps getting rid of a few early pregnancies. I know this isn?t an official explanation but i have decided it will do for now.
The doc said AMH doesn?t play a part. It does in how you respond but they see plenty of people have babies with amh less than 0.7.
In terms of whether each round will get worse, there are no guarantees. It could be better, it could be worse. [I know, helpful right]
Apparently things won?t drop off a cliff, it?s not like you get 13eggs this time and then I?ll get 7 the next and 3 the next. Apparently it goes up and down.
There is nothing i can do for egg quality. They don?t advise dhea especially before ivf.
And i don?t like to be rude about my hubby but.... I don?t know why i bother bringing him along to these meetings. He?s nothing short of useless. He had nothing to ask, nothing to say and I couldn?t get him to have any kind of conversation with me afterwards because he was too busy scoffing his chicken salad. It really ticked me off actually. Pmt strikes again.

So I think i understand what we are dealing with. We just need, as does everyone on here, the planets lined up, and a gigantic squeeze of luck a la art and doll and hey presto. Not much to ask.

rabbitonthemoon · 10/05/2013 15:53

Oh joy that's not really very helpful but your are right - we need planetary alignment. You can get pregnant, you've had bad luck I think.

den oddly the periods I had after my lap and op just started. This lasted a few months til the oct possibly cp. I think it's hormonal with me as there is nothing in my womble. Or one doc suggested that my tilted uterus makes it all come out at a slower pace and some period gets a bit stuck from the last cycle but I'm not sure I buy that one.Hmm my spotting comes as my boob pain lessens. I think I have dodgy eggs and thus dodgy corpus luteums. When I was being examined this week a new gp asked if I was in medicine Grin ttc has given me a lot of knowledge. She had no clue about fsh whatsoever.

Pout when is your fet?

rabbitonthemoon · 10/05/2013 15:54

Oh and joy I had one glass of champagne and three small glasses of wine. Three years ago it wouldn't have touched the sides!

MuddyWellyNelly · 10/05/2013 16:00

No miracle here. Negative.

Oh well.

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mrsden · 10/05/2013 16:01

Joy, my dh is exactly the same. He very rarely says anything. I think it's a man thing. In my case it's so frustrating though because this is sort of his field. I think that's part of the problem, he doesn't want to mix it up with work and he doesn't feel the need to ask questions because he says he knows the answers but doesn't necessarily share with me the technical stuff. If your dh is like mine he probably was taking it all in but needs time to process it. I was so mad at dh when we went in for et because I'd told him all these questions I wanted to ask beforehand. When the transfer was happening, it was a little uncomfortable so I couldn't talk and concentrate and I really wanted dh to ask the questions but instead he was talking to the embryologist about catheters and microscopes and not our embryos. Grr.

It doesn't sound like you got many answers today. Does poor egg quality explain the chromosomal issue? How will they decide which eggs to put back on day 3? Or can they tell quality by then? Can anything in the drug protocol inprove quality? When will you have the next round? Are you happy to stay with this clinic?

mrsden · 10/05/2013 16:03

Oh nelly, massive hugs for you. I know the pain you'll be in now. A big sobbing tearfest does help. Things will look a little brighter a few days from now, I promise.

MuddyWellyNelly · 10/05/2013 16:12

I'm strangely hollow actually. Probably just self preservation. I'm sure it will hit later.

God this is so shit.

Pass over that wine in the tent.

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FormerlyKnownAsPrincessChick · 10/05/2013 16:21

Really sorry for the shitfest on here today Sad You're all strong, resilient ladies and so, so brave. It's just not fair the way that it has worked out. I was so hoping for everyone. I wish I could make it all better. Big non MN hugs all round xxxx Thinking of all of you xxxx

MuddyWellyNelly · 10/05/2013 16:35

Hugging you right back princess, around your lovely pregnant belly Grin

What news from Sar? I'm quietly a little worried about radio silence. Hope you are just busy Sar, but thinking of you and hoping all is well. X

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buzzybee123 · 10/05/2013 16:36

afternoon ladies from the smoking drinking sock sandal wearing capital of the Czech republic, alot of fatties here, I actually feel quite thin for a change

nelly super big hugs to you, do ahve a good cry, its best to get out, don't worry about the progesterone I have plenty you can have

mrsd still thinking of you, the time does fly, when they gave me the date for May I thought thats ages away but now here it is

euro how sweet of Mr euro to do that, any sign of AF yet

critter cramping is good, when is your testing day

sar any news on your scan

rabbit hope your head is feeling better

madness sorry to hear about MIL, its hard when you are not near by, well done oon not testing till Sunday

CritterPants · 10/05/2013 16:44

Shit nelly. Sad I am so sorry. I can't believe it. Can you go home early and have some wine and a good cry?

buzzybee123 · 10/05/2013 16:48

sorry being on my phone makes it hard to read and post

joy I think its just a man thing that they just seem to switch off, its not an excuse I just think it is their coping strategy, it took Barry a while to get on borad but there still seems to be things he doesn't understand, he also thinks I can cope on my own and that he is more likely to annoy me so sometimes just leaves me to it, sometimes I just have to remind him that its a two person job

I met barry later in life so don't really feel we could have moved any quicker, we got engaged after 14 months and then a month later he was made redundant, we did talk about kids alot but the thought scared me as much him, we then decided to wait a couple of months after we got married, I went to my gp and had to come off my migraine meds, we both talked about a baby before we got married but I didn't want to be fat and pregnant on my wedding day [h like I would give a shit about that now,

its hard when you have all this frustartion about ttc and no expalanation as to why where to channel it, usually its your nearest and dearest who get it in the neck

I feel really guilty for all the times I yelled at 8arry and blamed him for things, they are certainly black days in my liffe, ones I don't ever want to repeat, we are equal partners, I couldn't imagine my life without him, he is the most amazing person who gives what no other person in the world ever has unconditional love, he still gets on nerves though

princess your home looks lovley

i'm sure I was going to say more but will ahve to come back again

MuddyWellyNelly · 10/05/2013 16:54

Critter honestly right now I don't feel like crying. It's weird. Sort of a relief the headfuckery is over.

Buzzy what a lovely thing to say about Barry. I think so many of us seem to have amazing strength in our relationships on this thread. Whether that's cause or effect I'm not sure, but in a way it's all the more heartbreaking that so many wonderful, balanced, happy couples can't seem to have children.

At some point I'd love to chat to you about the whole DE thing, as its looking more and more likely to be my route. But not right now as you must concentrate on you and your own cycle Smile

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EuroShaggleton · 10/05/2013 16:58

nelly I'm really sorry it's a negative this time. You came so close. Was there any HCG at all? A low number might support your chem preg theory.

MuddyWellyNelly · 10/05/2013 17:04

No zero. But I don't think it disproves my theory necessarily, as Wednesdays line was very faint as it was, and the last 2 days nothing was picked up on the hpt; so it was already less than 10ius in my urine. If it comes out of my blood faster then it is logical it would be zero. A blood test 48 hours ago would maybe have been different.

Either way, there were positives on those sticks, and that gives me the tiniest bit of comfort, so I'm clinging to that!!

Buzzy thank you so much on the progesterone, who knows I might be naming my first born after you yet Wink

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rabbitonthemoon · 10/05/2013 17:18

Aw nelly I'm sorry. That is utterly shit. Have a big vat of wine and let things just wash over you. Wish I could come and see you. But I think wine might make me do a vomit. You WILL get there!

rabbitonthemoon · 10/05/2013 17:19

Buzzy grin at your holiday description.

rabbitonthemoon · 10/05/2013 17:19

Oops. I did a grin link. Not sure what to.....

buzzybee123 · 10/05/2013 17:26

nelly you can ask whenever you like,

just had a little cry, I think the whole combo of drugs stress and relief has just hit me, coupled with bad news on here and other sad ttc news else where, still a little peeved with stroppy frind of MIL,

it does all seem so unfair Sad

joycep · 10/05/2013 17:33

Mrsd ? getting sloshed will be fun. It only takes me one small glass nowadays. 2 glasses i begin to feel grotty the next day and 3 i have a proper hangover. Totally agree with you too, i would prefer to be happily married and childless over a bad marriage with kids or single actually. The trouble with being happily married though is it makes you desperate for kids.

Nelly ? it does really sound like something has happened. I really wish this could be easier. GPs are really weird about giving out progesterone, well mine was and she refused. Can you not purchase it from your clinic? Also I hear you on the rotten scoundrels who produce children willy nilly. Makes me so cross especially when you hear people say about infertility ?it?s just nature?s way...?.

Pout ? weird you get period cramps through the 2ww. Has it always been like that? I never get them. I ?ve had a few today and I?m irritable and bad tempered which is a big sign that AF is about to come. To be quite frank, I expect my system is just f*cked.

Princess ? very late on but i realised i never said wow , 35wks already and on maternity leave. People?s pregnancies seem to go incredibly quickly yet when i was pregnant for a few weeks it felt like months and months! . you must be due around a similar time to the royal baby which btw i?m just dreading. The hoo haa will be terrible but obviously can?t wait to hear about your hard won little one. we?ll have a hoo haa on here for mini princess instead.

So i?ve had my follow up at the clinic. It was pretty unenlightening. My erpc results weren?t even in my file when I was told they were and the doctor hadn?t seen my email of questions. SIGH.
I think the upshot is my eggs aren?t very good quality. She must have said that 4 times. Hence why we didn?t have anything to freeze from the original 12 that fertilised. As i suspected my ovaries seem to be much older than the rest of me. She then said they believe sperm dna should take over after day 3 but as Roy?s sperm frag had come back normal , it came back to my egg quality. I really wish the responsibility didn?t lie with me, I feel so guilty and crap about that. They wouldn?t recommend ivf again though, it will always be icsi because there are more than 85% abnormal sperm but with over 200m it doesn?t give a smidgen of a reason to blame Roy Blush.
She said that they would probably go for a day 3 transfer next time because they would have expected a better outcome. They did seem to disintegrate after day3. Interestingly they have seen embryos start to fragment and still this can result in a baby so putting back earlier may be better. I really think the quality is probably the main reason for our infertility and i would think my nk cells do also have some part to play in perhaps getting rid of a few early pregnancies. I know this isn?t an official explanation but i have decided it will do for now.
The doc said AMH doesn?t play a part. It does in how you respond but they see plenty of people have babies with amh less than 0.7.
In terms of whether each round will get worse, there are no guarantees. It could be better, it could be worse. [I know, helpful right]
Apparently things won?t drop off a cliff, it?s not like you get 13eggs this time and then I?ll get 7 the next and 3 the next. Apparently it goes up and down.
There is nothing i can do for egg quality. They don?t advise dhea especially before ivf.
And i don?t like to be rude about my hubby but.... I don?t know why i bother bringing him along to these meetings. He?s nothing short of useless. He had nothing to ask, nothing to say and I couldn?t get him to have any kind of conversation with me afterwards because he was too busy scoffing his chicken salad. It really ticked me off actually. Pmt strikes again.

So I think i understand what we are dealing with. We just need, as does everyone on here, the planets lined up, and a gigantic squeeze of luck a la art and doll and hey presto. Not much to ask.

joycep · 10/05/2013 17:33

God sorry just copied last post- here comes the other one.

joycep · 10/05/2013 17:34

Oh no nelly.I am just so so sorry. It?s completely shit. I think you most certainly had a chemical. Was it you who said you felt fluey after ET? I?m sure someone mentioned that. But I think the emotional screwing around with faint lines day after day and then disappearing can really take its toll. I certainly found it a relief just to have a final definitive answer , even though it was bad news, then at least you can deal with the news and stop wondering and panicking. Now you can have a lovely hot bath, with a big glass of wine and a takeaway followed by some serious hobbling tomorow. Again, I?m just so sorry. It?s all so crap.

Buzz ? how?s it going out there? Do you still feel like you are on hols rather than ivfing?: What a wonderful thing to say about Barry.

Mrsd ? i?m sorry that MrD is the same. It does sound like a man thing. I?m just pmtish. I just wish he would input more than just his sperm but I guess it?s all really in the woman?s hands as it?s our bodies. Chromosomal issue was bad luck so i hope that means one egg and one sperm one day will produce something viable but who knows, I certainly won?t want to do more than 3 rounds of full on ivf. When you hear about identical twins, i was wondering whether they could split a decent looking embryo in half in the lab or would that just destroy the embryo. At what point does an embryo split to form twins...would MrD know?? Weird question i know!
Anyway, I?m not entirely sure how they can decide which ones to put back on day3. My clinic really tweak the drugs and tailor them to help with the quality so there is no room for improvement. I?m not entirely sure on what clinic we?ll use as the costs here were horrendous. If we do decide to go again, we?ll have to remortgage. MiL mentioned she might help us out but Roy tells me she?s getting a new bathroom so sadly no cash will be coming our way. But that?s fine by me as there is no such thing as a free lunch with her!

Rabbit - a few years ago i used to get through a bottle of wine no probs....Blush and perhaps that?s how i shrivelled the ovaries!

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