Right, that's it! Fabulous Forty Somethings ttc want our bfp's and we want them now! We have waited long enough!

[hopefulgum]

Here's our shiney new thread. The one where I finally get upduffed with everyone else!

[JBrd]

Hi all! Apologies in advance - I'm typing on my phone, so can't scroll back to re-read, so sorry if I forget someone, it's not on purpose.

Isabeller - fab news, what relief! Hope you can relax a bit now...

Juicy/Golden - so pleased to hear your happy news! Here's to a boring and uneventful pregnancy.

CaliBee - sorry to hear about af, not what you want on top of everything that's going on at the moment. How did your DS's move go, are you completely on your own now?

Gum & Irish - I can imagine that after so long, not ttc must feel strange... You get so used to living your live in 2 week intervals.

I'm currently holed up in the middle of nowhere in Scotland for holidays. We have a nice cottage away from everything, enjoying the beautiful countryside and re-charging batteries. I'm asleep on the sofa by 9pm every night!
Currently on 8dpo, but I reckon there is very little chance that we're going to be successful in this cycle. Ovulation coincided with DH having a manic and very stressful time at work, and the SMEP was a total failure . My temp has started to come down, so I don't hold up any hope (consoling myself with wine and fab local goats cheese).
I would love to fall pg again, but at the same time I'm petrified of another mc. DH being so stressed with work doesn't help - his job is on the line, and I feel very guilty for trying to get him to knock me up. Plus, it's a total mood killer
Think I might have to have a good talk with him about all this ASAP, I really don't want to be in charge of ttc on my own anymore...

[JBrd]

And welcome to all the newbies! It's lovely on this thread, you will find lots of support and hands for holding!

[jass43]

Mozarella, yeah, we have a deal. Meeting point will decided after we have had our babies:-)

Calibee,good to know sometimes clomid is OK for elder women too. Obviously I have no experience to share on that drug myself.

Zola, I think basal body temperature is able to give you the best overview of ovulation. Look into that matter, I suggest. Again, not temping myself, no need, but this is a rather certain and cheap method to follow OV

[hopefulgum]

jass, I am no expert about all this fertility stuff. I have just spent far too much time googling and reading. I think there are times when clomid is necessary for older mums, when they are not ovulating on their own, but I also worry that it is prescribed for everyone when other options may be better.

My doctor wouldn't prescribe it for me as I am regularly ovulating, but my doctor (clearly, judging on the bullshit run-around I got with the progesterone) is not a fertility expert, so I don't necessarily trust her judgment. However, some doctors do prefer other fertility drugs, but I think they may have to be injected, hence the reason they don't readily prescribe them.

Not much to report here. I am on CD14, and I don't think I've ovulated yet. I had a very low temperature this morning, so perhaps today or tomorrow? I am also feeling some twinges, so it could be imminent.

Jbrd, your holiday sounds lovely. Get plenty of rest and enjoy.

Welcome Zola.

mamalatts, I have heard that the monitor can do that, and women who are charting still have a rise, so they have ovulated.Are you charting too? I think it would help put your mind at ease? The only other way you can know for sure is with follicle tracking through ultrasound. I think other's on the thread have had similar experiences with the monitor. I can't help as I always eventually had a "peak" reading.

Well, it's busy,busy,busy here as we prepare for our trip away. Only 5 more sleeps!

[isadorable]

hello all. Looks like I have an ovarian cyst to thank for hip pain and a number of other bizarre things... Oh well, I like an answer to my questions. Welcome zola. All I can say is may your stay here be short. i conceived naturally at 42 and she's next door aged two and refusing to sleep. Well, despite everything; we wouldnt have it any other way! Good luck. JBrd - I wish I was in scotland too. Talk to him and have fun on your holidays whatever happens. You too gum - sounds so fab. Squeeze for the little voice in the corner too. xxx

[CaliBee]

jbrd yes I have a very empty house. DD2 still here but she works 5pm until 12 so on the nights she does stay here (she tends to hotel her way around here, her Dads and her boyfriends)I am in bed before she gets home and gone to work before she gets up. Its all new to me...I have never lived like this before. No likey.
I'm on cd6 today...it will be interesting to see how my cycle goes without clomid.

[mamaslatts]

gum thanks so much for the info.I've never charted temp but guess I should probably start. Will pootle to the chemist tomorrow for a thermometer.

[ZolaBuddleia]

Thanks for the welcomes from everyone!

I haven't done temping as I rarely get 3 hours of sleep in one block before waking in the morning (thanks to our DD).

I'm in a bit of a no man's land between wanting to take control and not wanting to do anything that will make me obsessed and anxious about it. I remember conceiving DD was so fraught with monthly disappointment, I'd like to try to stay a bit more relaxed about it, but of course the clock is ticking.

[mozzarellamummy]

Dr saw a 21mm.follicle with scan today..she suggested to dtd on wednesday, friday and sunday. I hope we will manage as dp is really exhausted from work .. I am on cd 9 and wonder wether the follicle is already too big as I didn't get a positive opk up to now.. zola I understand perfectly what you mean by being in that no man' s land..I may switch to a more relaxed que sera sera attitude..

[Isabeller]

Hello everyone and welcome to the new people, this is a lovely supportive thread. I'm beginning to feel more human again (9 weeks) which of course means I'm worried everything has gone completely wrong. It's making me realise just how dreadful I've been feeling. I'm gradually starting to catch up with the thread and my to do list for May

My first antenatal appointment is on Saturday and I'm wondering how the midwife will react to my extreme ancientness. Does anyone have any experience of this?

Thinking positive thoughts for everyone's ttc strategies

[jass43]

Isabeller,I read on someone's blogs that you just say straight away "this is my pregnancy number x and I have no children yet " or something similarity horrendous, so they realize immediately you are a very. Special.case. But I am sure you will get tender loving care, antenatal care is the only area of medicine where such a term exists and is really considered important aspect of medical treatment. I have no good advice as in my country people get scans done regularly at every appointment, without being any old nervous wreck at all. And loss of symptoms is no issue - by that time your body is just used to the pregnancy and is just yawning abut the hormones cruising through your system

[isadorable]

Isa - I can't speak for UK cos I'm in France but I found the health professionals were all pretty cool about my age at 42 - it was me who thought they'd find it strange. My doc's secretary said not to worry as he'd recently successfully delivered a 48-year old! I had consultant led care which is normal here over 40 and I found helpful. You may find you're offered it too. Though am l right in thinking you already have a grown up dd? While this isn't your first pregnancy maybe, this is a really special pregnancy so I hope you get great care.

Love to everyone else. Calibee sorry you're finding it lonely. Going to see my doc next week. Cross yer fingers is something simple.

[isadorable]

Oh and I hope every future mum always gets great care of course. We all deserve the best must remember to preview before I post!

[hopefulgum]

Good morning ladies! Only three more days and I am flying away! Woohoo.

I am pretty sure I ovulated yesterday, I had ovulation pain and my temperature went up this morning, but I really couldn't be bothered with dtd last night, so I didn't. It is kind of liberating. I thought , well there should be sperm there from two days ago, and if there isn't, that's okay. I was just so tired. And I think if I am too tired to have sex,then I am definitely too tired to have a baby! Having said that, if I get a surprise bfp I will be walking on sunshine.

Isabeller, many women notice their symptoms subside around 9 weeks, and sometimes the symptoms go away only to return in a day or two. Try not to worry,though I know that's easier said than done. We don't have midwifery care in Australia, it's all doctor until you have a midwife at the birth, and when I went to my doctor with a pregnancy at 44, he was completely unfazed by it and told me all about his 45 year old sister who'd recently had a baby.

mozzamummy, I hope you are able to get the SWI in. Sounds promising if your egg was ready to pop.

Good luck to everyone.

We are getting close to the end of the thread, but I think we still have a few more messages. If we make to the end before I go away I'll start a new one.

[Irishmammybread]

Hi everyone!
How are you feeling now Morien? To answer your question from last week, my DS is doing his internship in the Marketing Dept of a large company. He's doing a business degree that covers modules in Finance, Accounting,Marketing,Economics,Management among other subjects but isn't sure yet what direction he wants to take.

Welcome Zola and hi Mama.
As Jass and gum have said charting your temperature can be useful, a sustained temperature rise is the only way,apart from scanning, of confirming ovulation. OPK sticks can become positive indicating your body is gearing up to ovulate but it doesn't always go on to happen.
If you wanted to spend a silly amount of money there is a device called a Duofertility monitor(lots of info if you google it)that you wear all the time, it takes constant temp readings so it doesn't matter about sleep patterns etc or timing taking your temp. You download the data via a reader and there's a team of people to give advice and analyse your data for you.They will sometimes offer a 12 mth guarantee depending on individual circumstances, so if you don't get pregnant in that time you get your money back. After my first miscarriage I decided to try it but as I went on to miscarry another 3 times the guarantee didn't apply,unfortunately for me getting pregnant didn't equate to having a baby.

Mozza good luck with all that SWI over the next few days, you go girl!

Isabeller I know it's hard not to worry but I'm sure everthing will be fine. When is your next scan?

Isadorable what treatment will you have for the ovarian cyst?

gum this thread wont be the same without your daily posts, I look forward to reading them, but I'm sure you're excited about and looking forward to your holiday, hope you get a chance to relax.

JBrd sorry about your dropping temp,though any possibility of implantation dip?

CaliBee it must be strange having an empty house,hope you're managing ok.When do you restart the Clomid?

[jass43]

Well, I do not have to measure temp to see if I OVd. No. I. Bloody.just.take.a. Hpt. 10 days later. If I ovulated I am up the duff. I am again. This month I did not do even progesterone support, thinking I will let my body to refind itself after so many interventions. Today a positive hpt, weak, but clear enough, so back to prednisolone. I guess if my progesterone has held until today and I know normally I only have low LH proge, not low updiffed proge, there is no need to start it now. But I can not not take the pred and to allow this preg to fail without any try to help it. Starting to suppress my immune system when coming out of a heavy cold is not a great idea, but what choice I do have? I also am now thinking wether being sick keeps my immune system busy elsewhere and it has no time to go kill the embryo or it is vice versa - with an immune system already irritated and active because of the cold this poor embryo has no chance whatsoever? I am happy to see I can get updiffed even without any support, but the impossibility of considering myself pregnant when seeing this second line is getting me. Sorry about a selfish post.

[JuicySausage]

Jass, congratulations on the pregnancy. I know you are the oracle of all things but I really think you ought to consider getting your progesterone tested and supported. My consultant told me that a result of less than 30 at day 21 confirms that ovulation took place but that a pregnancy cannot be maintained. I honestly believe it's all about the progesterone in so many cases of miscarriage. Please take the Prednisolone. Any IVF clinic in the land would be making you take it. If it is an immunes issue it is not a cold or illness that makes you miscarry a baby, it is the immune system rejecting the embryo. Prednisolone is vital to avoid this.

[Irishmammybread]

Jass , congratulations!!!!
I know it's inevitable you will worry, but for today you ARE pregnant!

[JBrd]

Jass - congratulations, that is BRILLIANT news! So hard not to worry, I agree - get yourself to your GP/gynae pronto to get the medical support. I'd recommend starting on junior aspirin, if you're not already on it. But it's so great news that we have yet another BFP on this thread, may they all be healthy and happy pregnancies!

So wishing I could join in... But I really think af is on her way - had some very sharp cramps this morning and feel a bit bloated (which of course has nothing to do with the fact how much I have been eating ).
My temp, however, has gone back up again... Not due until Monday/Tuesday and did not bring any tests with me. Given my luck, af will turn up this weekend, when we're at my friend's wedding

[jass43]

Thanks for everyone for optimism. Frankly, I am this time curiously not even negative, but calm. It is umpteenth time. OK. 11th.
Juicy, I do take the Pred. It's progesterone I do not take, because via so many mcs I have been tested every possible way and I basically know that I manage to ovulate with progesterone on day 21 as low as 10, but it jumps to 70-100 immediately when I get a pos hpt. So, my body does correct the progesterone lack immediately. And I have miscarried 6 times when I have been on LH phase progesterone support. Hence, my doc and me are convinced it is not necessary, if anything, might cause confusion to my body.
Pred, now, is different. No, I do no think it is virus which can make me mc, but I was wondering if with virus my immune system is already active, then it will certainly kill the embryo. If it were dormant, maybe I have better chance? On the other hand, virus and how atypically long it took to clear up may also show my immune system still suffers from previous pred periods and I start already at lower level.
Doc is pretty sure that it is a time game - since my last pregnancy gave me a placenta I growth into uterine muscle, my immune system knows that next pregnancy in natural conditions will kill me. Bodies are so clever to know this, and it is protecting itself by doing away with pregnancies. The only q is will my body feel strong enough to carry another one before I have my menopause. These things revert itself in 5-10 years and my boy being 4, it means it can happen quite soon,or when I am 48.... Hope pred gets me over it sooner.

[jass43]

Jbrd, high temp is very useful to help with hopes..... Thingers crossed!

[hopefulgum]

Jass, I know your bfp doesn't guarantee you a baby, so I will quietly whisper "congratulations" and hold your hand whilst you wait out the first trimester. I hope this one is your THB.

Nice to hear from you Irish. My temperature is up again, and FF says I Oed three days ago, but I reckon it was two. Whatever...it doesn't really matter. I am off on holiday for the tww, so I won't be spending any time obsessing about it.

Deige - where are you my love? I haven't seen you on the thread for ages. I need a little update before I head off to the tropics.

Yesterday I spent a bit of time reading over reviews of where we will be staying, which was such fun, because they are all so positive. I am starting to feel a a bit giddy with excitement (I know - I need to get out more!) I plan to take full advantage of massages, spa treatments,pedicures,yoga classes, sandy beaches,not lifting a finger to clean or cook. Do I sound happy

Today is my last day at work, which I think will be a long day as I am up to date with everything and only teaching period 1 and period 6. I will probably have to dash out for "stationery supplies" at some stage and have a farewell cuppa with my sister

I will drop in again before I go and see if the thread is finished. I think we have about 29 posts to go.

I must go - need to colour and trim my hair before work. I have been trying to get to it all week and just haven't had time.

Love to all

[jass43]

Hopeful, right attitude re 2ww.
Can ou not start a new thread before we get to 1000? And close this one for no confusion?
Sure you will get a wonderful holiday. Mine are still two weeks away. 13 days, if I consider myself on holiday the day I leave here for home country. But I normally count that day still as not on holiday.

[hopefulgum]

Okay, I've started a new thread

Feel free to come on over, or if you'd rather, finish this thread first...