Elderberry Pavlovas Unite - the over 30s TTC number 1 (thread 3)

[Bunnygirlie]

Hey ladies, we're over here!

bunnygirlie, 32, TTC since June, AF coming around New Year!
Twinklestar 2, TTC1, cycle 16, BFP was due 19/12
BraveLilBear,TTC
Lolcbcb,TTC
Aquarius,TTC
Happylass 34 cycle 4 BFP due Jan 1st
Navis176, 35, TTC #1, cycle 3 (this time around), bfp due around 19 Jan (I think?)
Neshie, 31, TTC #1, on cycle 9, after stopping the pill 18 months ago (took 10 months for AF to return!) BPF due 12th January Fx
MotherOfCleo TTC#1, cycle 3, 5dpo, BFP due New Years Day.
Viviennewestwould, 41, childless hag, TTC one year (mmc in March), on Clomid, ovulating today!
Pipbin 37 cycle 16 BFP due 26/12

Zombies, 32, almost 3 wks pg (by my calculation)- per standard
measurement from LMP, 6 weeks pg, PCOS.
MeanMrsMustard 31, 5 weeks pregnant.
Quod,33, PG
Purplemonster, PG
Janey 38, 12 week scan on Christmas Eve
HazleNutt, due June 21st
Rach, 34, 13+4 pg, due 26th June

Apologies if I've missed you or got something wrong

Claxon! Bells! Party hats!
DH got his blood and SA tests done today!!
*proud wife

Yay MrMoll glad he got his act together

My goodness, every day's a school day here- cervical dips eh?! Hmmm when we're up to it the lovely OH erm helps me out first, so I'll be subscribing to the pelvic floor number too. Totally agree with captain that it helps mid act.

Thanks all well that's a new one on me - and I just had a load of ewcm this afternoon too so better get 'dipping'! That's what I'm calling it from now on!

Oh, and Yay captain

2cats that sounds like a fab honeymoon, I got married sept 2011 and it took me months to get over the post wedding blues!

AF due Monday or tues according to my apps, was few days early last month so we shall see! Just waiting for my usual hideous pre-period bout of (sorry tmi) thrush, gee I am so lucky!

Oh FFS every time I go on bookface somebody else is pg and the news sites are full of people posing butt naked pg! Why why why!!!

every month, bunny?

Pink when I wipe and cramps. Roll on cycle 19. 30 day cycle which means the CBFM was lying as it peaked cd10.

Aquarius, what's an orgasm? Seriously, though, a woman's orgasm and the concomitant vaginal pulsing assists the sperm on their northbound journey. However, if conception only occurred through the female orgasming this planet would not be quite so populated. At this point I would like to brag that Mr. Viv managed to ejaculate yet again tonight and I climaxed, too

But I don't want an orgasm...I want a babby.

Captain, Mr.C and Mr.V will be fighting on the medal rostrum at this rate! Both champions, eh? I'm proper chuffed he pulled his finger out, love.

Anyone else loving Celeb BB?

viv i agree re the orgasm lol.

we are watching CBB too but it just makes me angry! Speidi are the most horredous poisonus couple ive ever seen, Heidi needs a slap and Spencer needs a damn good kickin'! Think Rylan is doing himself a lot of good though he is coming across really well.

Twinkle, the creators of the CBFM should be thoroughly investigated and publicly flogged. Lying bastards one and all. These machines give a 'peak' sign a day late, making it less likely you'll get enough shagging done (unless, of course, you've been having sex daily since CD5 which this ridiculous gadget demands)

Mother, when you called them 'retards' last week I howled laughing . I know it's a horrid word and mumsnetters usually reach for the gin (why does every woman on mumsnet drink gin? It's vile. Even as an alcoholic I had to hold my nose to get that shit down) whenever un-pc words are uttered, but you made me laugh. Yeah, 'Speidi' are completely separate species to the human race, aren't they? I am endlessly fascinated by them, though; their co-dependency is frightening. They really are scarily made for each other. I reckon, given the chance, they could rule the world.

(Allows talk of CBB to whoosh gently over her head.)

Hello! Ooh, talk of cervical dipping! How very interesting! In the spirit of sharing too much information, I nearly always climax at the same time / just after DH.

Given that (as previously mentioned about 100 times) I am on cycle EIGHTEEN, my advice is for you to steer well clear of the big O. Seriously, dry and frigid must be the way forward...

haha viv i've never been very good at being politically correct they freak me the heck out, they are horribly codependant aren't they! They just have no empathy for anyone else and always think that it has to be their way or the highway! I wonder if they've been doing reality shows and playing characters for so long that they have forgotten who they actually are? Either way they need to go back to the USA asap! Their continual moaning about the UK and UK people, mocking our accent etc is bugging the crap out of me!

Oh an gin is foul! Its my best mates favourite tipple and just means I cant nick her drink makes me thirstier after I've drunk it than before!

Boodle I've beaten you. I'm now on cd19 as AF is on her way.

Viv - I'm going to chuck the CBFM out of the frickin window! Luckily I did dtd after the peak but I still didn't catch and I did focus on dtd around the fake peak. Did it 4 days in a row.

twinkle. So basically, the rule is, whatever we are doing, DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE!

And gin? How I do wish for a vomiting smiley right now.

I'm a gin convert. Hated it in my 20's but now I love the stuff but not at the moment because boozing is bad
Right ladies. Opinion canvassing time..
I'm a fatty. I always have been. Even as a perky teen doing competition swimming (training 4hrs or more a week, plus all the netball/hockey/athletics my school could throw at me) I was never less than a size 16. These days I sit pretty stabley around the 16-18 mark. At my MRI last week, I found out my BMI has me just on the border of the overweight and obese bit of the chart.
I swim twice a week (jogging's out - jiggered knee, bad ankle and the ferocious dogs that get walked by ferocious owners round my way).My life means I'm up and about most of the time - I don't have a desk job, I walk for about an hour each day. I eat a healthy balanced diet - since TTC I've cut down on the booze dramatically and made small changes like cutting out butter, and generally being better behaved all round.
Now here's the thing - I know I need to lose weight to increase my fertility BUT it turns out dieting can also reduce fertility (something to do with IGF1). So what the effing heck am I supposed to do?

I'm currently giving Slimfast a go as a last ditch desperate attempt to shed some pounds as I've been told I should try to before surgery. It is so depressing, and leaves me ratty and cold and stupid by the end of the day. This evening I've been looking into the 5:2 fasting diet, but again coming up against the fact that it appears to be bad for fertility.

So what's worse? Being fat, or being on a diet?

captain Ive lost weight on both weightwatchers and slimming world, both have their pluses and minuses, tbh I would say slim fast is one of the worst things you could do as its all processed and will shock your body. I would probably suggest looking into slimming world, it isnt so much a diet as a way of monitoring and learninf about healthy eating. You can eat lots but it is healthier stuff, it really helped me learn about not only healthy eating but what worked for me to lose weight. Plus there is no measuring.

Ive not heard of the issues you mentioned, Im not sure that losing weight slowly and safely can ever be bad for you though.

Hope that didnt come across as bossy or annoying. FX you find something which suits you soon, half the battle is making up your mind to make the change so youve already taken a huge step in the right direction

Viv I would say that the dark line means that would have got a peak on your CBFM, if it were working. Therefore you should ov in the next 48 hours.

captain i'm no expert but you definitely shouldn't do a diet that makes you feel rubbish. It sounds like you're already taking marvelous steps to improve your health and you're way fitter than a lot of people, including me. I wish I had your energy! I'm a lazy so and so and I rely too much on my low bmi to tell myself I'm healthy, but I know that doesn't cut it (and my blood test results don't paint a great picture either).

On what basis did they advise you to lose weight before surgery?

Captain I lost loads with Weightwatchers. And even though I've stopped going now I've kept the weight off and even kept losing. Although I do run, I don't find it makes any difference weight wise. If found that after I got my BMI down below 30 my cycle went from 5 to 4 weeks! Worth doing just to get more chances in a year.

viv Yey for you, legs in the air! Don't worry about the big O, you can have that after your BFP!

captain an alternative opinion... I'm a size 8 (not by choice, I never diet), I eat mostly crap, snack and sugary food, and don't exercise. (Courtesy lucky metabolism and laziness... I am not proud of being unhealthy). I am pretty much convinced, despite weight, you are much much much healthier than me and more likely to get a BFP. Remember a modern day size 8 or 10 was pretty much never heard of in the 'Olden days', ie modern culture has made people believe they need to be thin but it was not always this way. Appreciate I can sound patronising etc being thin already however I truly believe healthy is best and you tick that box well. (Also everyone has their own natural weight... It's the weight you stay at when eating normally for you and exercising normally for you... People look strange when they go too much under their natural weight in my opinion...) either way good luck in what you aim for x

Aquarius I think surgery is just safer and easier on people with less weight.
Pip does weight-watchers cost? My other issue is that I'm only very part-time employed and the Molls are monumentally broke at the moment.. Just got offered a better paid job today, but money's still going to be tight.

The BMI chart is the NHS bible, I find, and they nag you to get into their healthy weight range at every possible opportunity. (Interestingly, if Linford Christie at the peak of his career was marked on the chart, he'd be obese, as it takes no account of the difference between muscle and fat - but I'm not kidding myself that I have that much muscle!!)

Cross post - thanks 2cats and also GRRRR *shakes envious fist at your size 8-ness
I do think that my body naturally hangs out around the size 16 mark, but I think if could get more like the size 14 end of that spectrum it would be better.

I think I might give this 5:2 thing ago until we have the all clear to keep TTC-ing. I reckon the lap and dye is probably about 2-3 months away so that's a bit of time to see if it works. Also, we should know if the problem lies with DH's bits by then..

Captain apologies again if my post came across patronising or wrong. Quite frankly I would never consider size 18 a fatty...

Hey captain! In the last couple of years, I've been slowly losing weight. At my heaviest I was BMI 29. something and now I'm hovering right around the normal/overweight borderline, although I still have lots of podge and don't accept that as a good stopping point for me.

For me, I just had to really up the amount of exercise I was doing. I'm not big on high impact, sweat like a bitch, half hour blasts, so I just took up several 'moderate' exercise classes. It worked brilliantly but it was tricky to manage my time around teaching workload. (Holidays were fine, obviously!) I chose to do dance/aerobic type classes that I could learn and then continue to do at home if I wanted.

Also, I have never tried any of the mainstream diet plans. There are some tasty, quick recipes in this: www.nhs.uk/Change4Life/Pages/why-change-for-life.aspx.