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TTC 10+ months, Part 11

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buzzybee123 · 05/11/2012 19:55

A very friendly and supportive thread for those taking way longer than they had ever expected to make a baby.

OP posts:
CritterPants · 14/11/2012 15:39

joy one step at a time! We'll be doing it around the same time, and will be able to have each other's support. sar put it really well with her 'go into it with an open heart' advice. It's all we can do. I did go to the JL on Oxford Street - I bought a table protector, one of those pads you put under a tablecloth but on top of the table. It's to muffle the sound in our kitchen as MrC says I crash about noisily "like a racoon in the trash" when I make breakfast in the morning. Grin

euro I will be probably properly starting around the 20th Jan too! I'm going to Key West (yippee!) for a week, coming back on the 20th, but will be starting long protocol at the beginning of Jan, which I think for me will involve two or three weeks of the pill before downregging/stimming. So I guess it'll be EC in early Feb.

doll sorry about the stressful timings - it sounds like you both have pretty full-on jobs. I'm glad that your EC is just before a weekend - hopefully you will at least be able to recover a little then, well, as much as possible with a toddler!

mrsd yes, the works, apart from the mint sauce - we had it with a lovely tangy crab apple jelly (like a redcurrant jelly). My dad is a fab cook and he totally went all out. I felt very loved! Grin Is lamb popular in Germany? It's funny the things that you don't realise are 'British' tastes until you are abroad. For example, it's really hard to find blackcurrants here or taramasalata in the supermarket! Although both at the same time would be weird... Grin

artemis and gin, I'm willing on your little embies.

sar it was lovely to be back. We went for a walk in Regents Park and the colours were so beautiful - Sunday was gorgeous weather, but even on Saturday and Monday there was that misty, bonfire smokey feel in the air, and it felt all atmospheric - never thought I would miss a British November!

CritterPants · 14/11/2012 15:44

xpost art thanks for that rundown, really helpful to know what to expect. And 8 fertilised eggs with 4 looking good is fantastic! I have heard of people getting preg with day 6 blastos, so I wouldn't worry about that - apparently if they are looking really good on day 5, they sometimes wait an extra day.

ArtemisTheHunter · 14/11/2012 16:05

Thanks Critter, you've helped set my mind at rest. I've done some frantic googling and found a study that concluded there was no difference in success rates between day 5 and day 6 so will stop fretting. And we might not actually get to that point. As I keep telling other people, no sense in worrying about this stuff before it happens!

Glad you had a lovely time in That London, your dad sounds brilliant. I looove the JL haberdashery, can spend hours in there just drooling. Grin at you acting like a racoon in trash! British November can be quite atmospheric can't it, except when it pisses it down Smile

CritterPants · 14/11/2012 16:40

art the not worrying thing is easier said than done, but I do think in this case you really shouldn't worry, if you see what I mean! Your hormones are going haywire at the moment so just keep hanging in there and drinking the hot chocolate and trying to take it easy as much as possible. You are being an absolute champ.

BerylThePerilous · 14/11/2012 16:55

Hello again,
Just wanted to say thank you for all the well wishing. You are such a supportive bunch of ladies Thanks

Also, congratulations artemis on the eggcellent result! 8 fertilised and 4 looking good sounds pretty amazing. Will be keeping everything crossed for you over the next few days? And also for akuaba - will be thinking of you on Friday!

joy I was really touched that you had been thinking of me (in a not weird way) the other day! It?s great news that your cycle was 28 days. Does that mean you have managed to lengthen your LP? Thanks for the warning about the One Born advert? as if that programme isn?t torture enough already!

Glad to hear you had such a nice trip back home, Critter. I, too, am a haberdashery fan (not least because I love getting the chance to use that word) ----

Well, I had my blood test done yesterday and got the results this morning. I think it?s all ok? HCG 550 iu/l and progesterone 128.3 nmol/l. Trying to interpret the numbers, but I keep finding threads where people mention their results without giving the units so I?m not really any the wiser. However, they recommended going back on Friday to re-test the HCG as that is supposed to double. So, Friday is the next target? one day at a time?
Waves to everyone!

kittysaysmiaow · 14/11/2012 17:03

Hi ladies,

I've just been catching up on the thread-wow-so much going on at the moment. Thought I'd pop my head in the door to say hi. I'm 35 weeks now and on maternity leave. I'm large, achey and ungainly! Still can't believe I'm pregnant you know, I'm not sure I will until a baby turns up Confused

I think about the 10 plussers loads and miss you all. Reading through this latest thread has reminded me what an absolutely amazing, and hilarious, bunch of ladies you are. Too much to try and catch up on but just wanted to wish you all the luck in the world. :)

sarlat · 14/11/2012 17:16

Kitty - lovely, good luck for the birth.

Art - great news! Those embryos are strong little dudes! "Come on the little arts, off to a flying start, grow, grow and don't let it go"

Joy - thank you for being there.

Beryl - that is a relief. Fingers crossed for the next results.

Hi to everyone, got to go now. x

rabbitonthemoon · 14/11/2012 18:20

Quick instapost as I have suddenly realised I am hungry indeed.

Wanted to say good news art! And wave to kitty you could never be ungainly! Excellent info on the ec. Though I'm not sure I could put myself in a gown again for love nor money. But that's a story for another day. Well done you.

Will catch up later I think or maybe tomorrow but handing out loves in all general directions.

My period is very different on aspirin. Has anyone else found this?!

rabbitonthemoon · 14/11/2012 19:52

Oh no! Hare is not home til later and I had the biggest empty womb wave ever, rang my dad and two friends and got answer phone every time and I'm just sat here feeling scared of my infertility!!! Note - I work with Hare so I'm never really on ky own. I used to live alone how have I got so wimpish? I don't want to be one of those 'my friend was trying for 90 years' stories Sad

akuabadoll · 14/11/2012 20:02

T'interweb is here, have no fear. Hugs.

joycep · 14/11/2012 20:19

oh rabbit - big big hug. That's why I turn on the tv to drown out the silence. Or put on some high energy music, that often cures my empty womb fears.

Kitty - oh my that seems to have gone quickly. Best of luck for the birth of your little one. Really great news!!

Beryl - that's fab about your blood test results. hurrah. And i hope these weeks speed by for you.. oh no, i haven't managed to lengthen my LP but i think that was a red herring!

Art - the EC countdown is really helpful. SOunds pretty intense. And yay to your embies doing so well. Also that's really great advice about taking every day as it comes. I will certianly have to learn to do this.

Critter - one step at a time indeed. I expect AF will arrive on about 6th Jan and so i start my monitoring cycle then. I'm not sure if that's the month i start downregging but i will be given the nasal spray.

Big hug to Sar.

RIght time for fishcakes for dinner. Spent all eve reading through all the documents i was given yesterday.

ArtemisTheHunter · 14/11/2012 20:24

Rabbit we're here. I used to live on my own too but it's weird how quickly you get used to having other people around. Your time will come. Hugs and Brew, or even Wine

rabbitonthemoon · 14/11/2012 20:40

Thanks doll I feel very infertile at the moment. It's funny I had a meeting with three other colleagues today. All a fair bit older than me and none of us had kids. I felt comfy in their company like we all were there in good work positions but without kids. One tried and couldnt. One wasn't in a relationship at the right time, one never wanted babies. But I didnt feel.. lesser? But Hare is home. I've apologised for being a pmt moo. Work has been v stressy indeed today. 18 year olds are Hard Work. I need to go and do woo or something. Thank you so much. Tumble womb moment over. Blush

rabbitonthemoon · 14/11/2012 20:43

Thanks joycep and art I was all a bit fragile. Made in Chelsea is terrible but I watched like this Confused and forgot temporarily about my coddled eggs.

MuddyWellyNelly · 14/11/2012 20:58

Hi ladies. Quick hug for Rabbit first. I hate those tumblewomb moments and I'm sorry no one answered their phones. Hooray for the Internet though, Wine is on hand too.

Art your EC chat was very helpful though in the spirit of taking it slow I am refusing to think past Friday which will be my first scan since starting drugs. I'm slightly nervous about that, fingers crossed something is happening. I can feel the tiniest of rumblings but no swinging ovaries yet. Is injection 4 too early? Hooray for your embies, those are numbers of my dreams!

Joy and others I'm glad there is a group of you all IVF-ing together. It is giving me comfort knowing Gin and Doll and Art are just ahead of me.

Anyway today has been manic so just saying hi. Injections have been totally fine and other than being tired I've had no side effects so far. I hope that's not tempting fate though Wink. Better go do some wedding stuff now.

ThatWayMadnessLies · 14/11/2012 21:41

Evening everyone. You've all been talkative today!

Grin at euro shark bait. I have rather unfortunate but funny mental images of that.....

So exciting for those of you going for ivf in the new year. I'm failing miserably trying not to get my hopes up for a possible bfp post endo surgery. Perhaps I shall join you all in ironic pre ivf diffs. This of course all rests on at least one tube remaining after they have at me with sharp implements Confused

critter art and joycep I too love jl haberdashery and am now obsessed with all things fabric. Went out and bought far too much woodland inspired retro stuff for my latest quilting project. A bit masochistic though making all this stuff for other people's babies. I like to think that I'm just honing my technique for when I get to kit out my own nursery :)

art I have that fear of mixed up eggs and sperm too. Nice to hear that you were reassured during EC. Just yesterday I imagined a ridiculous scenario where I gave birth to a baby who was obviously Chinese and they said sorry and took it away to give to the right parents!!!! TTC has definitely addled my brain!

Glad hare is home rabbit. It's all about riding the hormonal waves I reckon and knowing that the panic will subside. I've gone for weeks at a time being quite normal before temporarily switching into wailing banshee mode Wink

Hello to everyone else that I've missed!!

EuroShagmore · 14/11/2012 21:56

I haven't read this page of posts, but am just popping on quickly to share a link from another thread:

medicalxpress.com/news/2012-11-fresh-couples-unexplained-infertility.html

A new study indicates 80% !!! of unexplained infertility is due to sperm DNA damage.

I thought this might be of interest to joy and a few others. This was one of the tests we were contemplating through Gorgy. I think we should go ahead now!

joycep · 14/11/2012 23:03

Euro - I presume this test is the DNA fragmentation test? 80% is a huge number. I got Roy to do this one so we could rule that problem out and his were normal. Definitely worth doing and I told Roy before we got results that we werent to panic if the results were bad because there is a lot you can do to improve sperm DNA. Often it's an infection.

Madness - your Chinese baby story made me laugh!

Nelly - I am pleased you are feeling fine on the injections and great you're so busy you dont have time to think.

Rabbit - hope you are feeling better now hare is back. Caught that bloody trailer twice tonight - tv went on to silent.

sarlat · 15/11/2012 01:51

Rabbit - o my gosh. So sorry for the awful lonely womb feelings. And to make matters worse, nobody answered the phone. Sad I hope this feeling passes quickly for you. I very very much understand where you are coming from.

Nelly - hooray for the injections and will be thinking of you at the scan.

Euro - thanks for the link. It is great to see some serious research and ideas to help people with the unknown diagnosis. And Joy, great to know so much can be done about sperm DNA.

Gin - how are you feeling? I have such optomism for you.

It's half one in the morning and I can't sleep. Clearly the stimulation of looking at the computer will no doubt help me fall in to the land of nod Hmm Grin. But I do have a milky hot chocolate to try and send me off. My head is spinning - but nothing really wrong. I handed my notice in today (yesterday). This is a big thing I guess. My op date is still not sorted partly due to the secretary been off sick - just bad luck really. My stomach is going growly and grumbly crazy. It has been all throughtout this cycle - I think my bowels are a bit upset. I can't poo Blush and have a very rounded tummy -not usual for me. What's good for that - mint tea?

My dad gave me a big hug today. I know him well - it was meant in a "I am devestated for you" kind of way. Funnily enough, deep pity from others (those in my inner circle) is working for me right now. It makes me feel that my feelings of sadness and despair are being validated. I have been thread hogging just lately so please don't reply, it's just a touch of the TTC blues that hits us all from time to time and I find it therapeutic to write it down. On reflection I found the 6 month and 18 month points the hardest - and now I am at 30 months. I wonder if there is a pattern to this. But this too shall pass.

Goodnight everyone, hope you are having peaceful dreams.

GinSoaked · 15/11/2012 08:05

Hi sar. I too am having problems sleeping. I keep needing to wee and it's massively annoying. Could do with some kind of chamber pot! I'd recommend weetabix or lots of lentils for your poo problems. I have the opposite issue, caused by the suppositories I think. My body seems determined to spend most of the time on the loo!

I too have found certain points really hard - 2 year was a bad time for me. Like you say, you know you'll get through it, but it's still shit at the time. You have lots of stressful things going on at the moment and it's bound to take its toll. Just think, in a few months you'll be all settled into your new role and hopefully have some answers from your op. And you totally aren't Fred hogging. That's what we're here for! Big hugs love. I do really feel for you.

euro interesting article, but I wish it said what they could do to fix/deal with it! The dr thinks Dave's sperms have this issue, but I can't see what we can do about it. joy can I ask how much the test was? At my clinic it's v expensive and seems a bit pointless if we can't fix it.

madness your quilts sound lovely! I was in JL yesterday, fawning over ready made stuff in the soft linens dept. The best thing about getting married was all the JL vouchers we got! Shallow, me ?

nelly pleased to hear you are feeling ok. Grin at swinging ovaries! It did feel like I had some testicles! In fact, every time Dave prodded me in the stomach, I threatened to punch him in the balls! I'm sure all is going well. The first ivf cycle, I had no symptoms until the very end.

rabbit hope you are feeling better. When I'm alone, I have to make sure I keep busy. Thankfully Dave no longer works weekends - it was too easy to spend then wollowing in ttc grief/ googling.

joy do you know what they do in the monitoring cycle? Does it involve lots of scans and blood tests? I think it's a great idea. I 'd love to know exactly what's going on.

doll hope you are doing ok? Have you had any more scans? I guess you triggered last night if EC is on Friday? I was seriously worried about Dave producing the goods on the day (we've had some performance issues in the past, ahem), but he did us proud. He didn't like walking past my mum in the waiting room though on the way to the masterbatorium. Suck it up Dave, suck it up!

kitty lovely to hear from you. I can't believe you are almost due!

beryl yay for good results!

critter your trip sounds lovely! M&S and JL are things I couldn't do without. Oh and primark. I'm right classy...

artemis that's a great no. fertilised! Will they give you regular updates on their progress? Sounds v much like you should end up with something to freeze. I'm jealous of your private room. At create, it's just one room, divided by curtains, with these reclining wheely chair things, which they bring you out of the theatre on. And god awful piped musac. Don't work too hard! You must give yourself time to recover.

Waves to everyone else.

Nothing to report here. I'm trying not to mental and keep busy, but veer between being convinced it's not worked to being hopeful. The fact one went to blast had given me some false hope. I'd much rather be not hopeful and then surprised if it does work. I'm v bruised at the mo - look like I've gone a few rounds with David Hayes! They're from the cannula, blood tests and evil clexane. Thank god it's winter so I can keep covered up.

mrsden · 15/11/2012 08:10

Interesting research euro. Although I did get more sceptical when I read that they'd developed their own test which they have patented and will no doubt make money from. But, I have always thought that more unexplained are probably due to male factor. Standard fertility tests only include the one test for the man, and the the assumption is made that all is ok after that. I think there is much we don't know. It's why ivf and icsi is often the only choice for unexplained at the end of the day. In some ways I'm pleased that we have a definite diagnosis of crap sperm because at least I've had time to accept that icsi is what we need and were not messing about with iui, or even standard ivf. At ths stage, I just want to do what is most likely to result in a baby.

Gin, how are you and the twins? I'm feeling very hopeful for you.

Art, that sounds like very good progress. I don't think there is much difference between day 5 and 6.

Sar, don't ever worry about thread hogging. You've given us all so much advice over the months. What you are feeling is so understandable. I also felt very down at 6, 12 and 18 months. My moods are very related to where in he cycle I am too. Pre ovulation I feel fine witH it all. But from 5 dpo I crash until af arrives. I'm in tHe post phase now and feel so fed up with it all. A pregnant friend rang for a chat last night and it was basically a monologue of how hard everything is for her, blah blah, I wanted to scream "but you're pregnant, you don't know how bloody lucky you are" instead I offered copious amounts of sympathy.

Those of you who have told friends about ttc, have you found its given you much support? I have been contemplating confiding in some friends but I wonder whether they might actually annoy me in their response because they won't really understand.

GinSoaked · 15/11/2012 08:46

Hello mrsd. I picked who I told very carefully and their support has been invaluable. I've basically told only my closest friends and family. There has been the odd slightly insensitive comment and I've had to tell 1 friend to stop talking about it on the odd occasion (it's ALL she wants to talk about!), but this is outweighed by the support and understanding I've had from them. This week I've had flowers and chocs from both my brother and one of my best friends. So so lovely. Also, through telling people, we've discovered dave's best mate & misses who live abroad are having ivf. In fact it's their 2nd round too and they had EC the day before me! We've had some amazing Skype chats over the last few weeks and it 's been great to be able to talk about it with people who understand.

I would suggest picking who you tell carefully though. Dave announced it to a whole group of boys in the pub (as a way of explaining his not drinking). I'm now scared they or their other halves are going to want to talk to me about it and I don't want to discuss it with them. I do live in fear of them asking me about it on a night out...

Sorry for the waffle! Hope that helps.

joycep · 15/11/2012 09:33

sar - you are not thread hogging and this is exactly why we are here so you can write things down when things are getting on top of you. I hope you managed to get to sleep. I hate those nights where you just lie awake thinking over things. It's annoying that you haven't got your date yet but hopefully it will come soon. how was your current work about handing in your notice?

Gin - the wait must be tortuous. Not long now though. Ok so that sperm DNA test Euro sent the link to can't be same as the DNA frag test as i don't think that is a patented test. it all sounds quite similar. Anyway we had to pay £300 for the dna frag test. Everything is just so f'ing expensive. And you're right gin, it's pointless if they can't fix it. I think if the man's SA suggests everything is fairly good but you're still unexplained then it is a good thing to look at because i have seen from other posters on MN and FF that sperm dna frag can be improved considerbly using antibiotics...But that's for men who's SA is normal. I can't work out what the difference is with this new test is though.

Oh and i hate it when these tests are patented because it just adds to the difficulty of trying to find out what is wrong when you have all sorts of different companies looking in to different things,

Mrsden - most people know our situation. I have to say, friends are good and ask how it is going but in reality they have no experience or understanding. But on the whole they have sympathetic ear but also i haven't had to endure people really going on about their pregnancies like you have to because they know to be sensitive. I feel guilty talking to friends who are single. And I often feel like i am boring people by going on about it. I have decided i am not going to tell friends or parents when we are starting ivf. We are going to keep that quiet as I just want to deal with that quietly and alone.

mrsden · 15/11/2012 09:48

Here is more information on that test, I'm not sure if it's what you had doe or not joy. www.lewisfertilitytesting.com/the-spermcomet-test

mrsden · 15/11/2012 09:51

Thants good that your friends have been supportive and sensitive joy & gin. I think my fear is that they will pity me, and I couldn't cope with that. Also, we can still pretend we're normal at the minute which sometimes feels quite nice. I do think people would stop banging on about their pregnancies and babies though if they knew. We're naturally a quite private couple and I don't think either of us would want to talk about it all or the time or have people constantly asking for updates.