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TTC 10+ months, Part 11

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buzzybee123 · 05/11/2012 19:55

A very friendly and supportive thread for those taking way longer than they had ever expected to make a baby.

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rabbitonthemoon · 13/11/2012 20:37

doll I didn't finish with all my me warblings! I'm glad the Beirut 3 are still going strong. I feel very fond of them and am cheering them on. art I just thought of your eggs too then, in their little dish getting it on with the spermz in the dark. I am thinking of another ladies eggs in real time. It's all gone a bit surreal!

sarlat · 13/11/2012 20:47

Cross post

That One born every minute comment - gross gross gross, bleugh bleugh. How much up their own arses are these arogant twaty twunts??!! Blush But generally I agree with Roy!

Frannie - thank you for being lovely to me. I guess I am at a crossroads and losing hope. I am sorry to hear of the brown spotting but please don't panic sweetheart (easier said than done). I know heart had something similar and it is a common thing in some pregnancies. Can you get an early scan?

Rabbit - ooo birthday weekend you say? How about a weekend away with Hare in one of those pod or glamping things? Did you say you want to do stuff with freinds? I can recommend a pottery paint cafe afternoon - you can usually bring wine and stuff. Or maye hold a party at your place, murder mystery style.

rabbitonthemoon · 13/11/2012 20:49

Cross posts! joyce we must have watched that at the same time! I was shouting with Roy in unison.

frannie your poor old nephew. I'm sure the brown stuff is just nestling and hope you are ok.

sar oh crapbags that your new boss sounds battle axey. But you need to be selfish and it will all settle in and be ok very quickly. My research meeting was long and I've felt period bleugh. They do make me feel pants, washed out, yukky and gloomy. All I want to do is be on the sofa. I think periods have always felt like this but the implication of what they mean makes it feel like they are now worse maybe? I'm sorry you are in the tent. I did a long stint in there recently and then suddenly felt fairly ok again - so this will pass. I think you'll feel a lot better when some of the unknowns get a bit more clarity.

Just seen an add for the woman with 15 children. Let me just set that to record - NOT REALLY!!

rabbitonthemoon · 13/11/2012 20:59

sar friends are either pregnant or with toddlers which I'm fine with one to one but not en mass I don't think. So prob just me and Hare. Plus my birthday rather backs up to Xmas which makes it difficult, I'm not a Manc girl so friends are scattered far and wide. I'd love it if they could escape for the night but don't think that's on the cards. Also It would be amazing it if they came up with it rather than me having to ask - very much my moany mood speaking there, I'm not usually such a whinge! Love the idea of the pottery thing though, I really like that kind of thing. Not sure Hare would though! Maybe we could do a 10plus pottery making of fertility symbols!? Grin

GinSoaked · 13/11/2012 21:16

Yay 13 eggs artemis, that's great. I'm pleased to hear you got through it all ok. I have a hand bruise too from the cannula, oddly from the one that didn't hurt much going in. euro the idea of it in my elbow makes me feel slightly sick...

Oddly for a clinic that's all about mild ivf, create throw drugs at you after EC. I'm on clexane injections. I was going to refuse to take it (they fucking hurt & are just meant to improve womb blood flow), but they said I had to cos of the ohss risk. It thins the blood, so makes the ohss blood clots less likely. I took progesterone right from EC day (and as I mentioned, they'd appeared to have shoved one up my arse during EC!), antibiotics (more arse bullets) and amoxicillin to try to prevent the cystitis I had last time. They also put everyone on prednisolone (sp?) for immunes after EC, but I'm not, due to the high clexane dose I was on. Sooo many drugs, although the antibiotics have now finished.

Anyway arte I really hope your eggs are having a great party in the dish with mr a's sperms!

Aww sar, sorry you are still feeling miserable. Hugs.

doll Grin at the Homeland hair thing! It confuses me too! Dave had to explain she was using a wig. Hmmm. Not long til Friday now. I take it you are triggering tomorrow?

frannie I'm sure brown stuff is fine and just old blood. Yes I saw the barren X factor girl :( Btw has anyone seen that bloody peaches galdof is preggers again and she was allegedly infertile. Grrr.

Ooo birthdayness rabbit. I decided to do things people with kids couldn't do.. Went for horribly expensive cocktails at the savoy with a friend and then to a 5* mitchelin starred inn with Dave. Not a single child in sight...

joy I'm pleased to hear the clinic went well. Did Roy go with you? Your story about yelling in theatre and then zzzing made me laugh out loud! They gave me something in the iv before the sedative to relax me, so I was too spaced out to shout!

mrsd bloody hell 4 ivfs. I couldn't do it! Dave hasn't drunk for some months. We went to enough clinic talks that went on about the affects on sperm, that he decided to give up. However he is someone who can't just have 1 or 2 drinks. It's nothing or 20!

Congrats shrivell.

Waves to everyone I've missed.

Not much to report here. Have a sore tummy, but think it's my swollen ovaries. Am also getting the odd womble grumble, esp in the evenings, which isn't a great sign. But generally I'm trying to keep busy and not think about it . I'm off work this week on leave, so doing some Xmas stuff. I could be in work but my job does have some physical elements and the commute would be tiring. I'd need a mind the swollen ovaries, give me a seat badge.

rabbitonthemoon · 13/11/2012 21:25

gin ignore womble grumbles, it could be all sorts of things, like burrowing. Clexane stings like a bastard! I had them after the op and fuck me! Exactly like a mean wasp sting I thought. Needle goes in, feels ok, then OW, slow burning sting. Yak. I feel for you. I refused to take them at home! Oh, I wonder if they'd have stopped the blood clotty thingy Blush. I'm thinking of you. I'm liking posh meal cos maybe they wouldn't be rammed with Xmas parties?

GinSoaked · 13/11/2012 21:38

rabbit did you have the evil fuckers clexane in the stomach? I'm meant to do them there, but when Dave tried, it felt like someone was putting a knitting needle into my stomach! We're doing them in my thighs, but they still hurt. I think the needle must be quite fat, plus the drug stingy and bruise inducing. If I wasn't scared shitless of ohss, I'd stop them too.

Yay posh meal (and wine)! I'm sure the weekend would avoid Xmas dos. As would somewhere a bit off the beaten track. Mmm nice food.

EuroShagmore · 13/11/2012 21:41

Really Gin? I wasn't expecting that from Create. Well, they can hand me the prescriptions, but it doesn't mean I will be taking them....

Frannie, as a differ I hope you won't mind if I say your comment to dollmade me giggle. You said: "doll glad that there is some movement with the eggs. Was Friday the only day Ken couldn't do? Will you have someone to take you? " I think more is required from Ken on EC day than a taxi service. But maybe a taxi driver could help out if needed? Wink

GinSoaked · 13/11/2012 21:52

euro I have to admit that I've been pleased with Create this time. They rang whenever they said they would, did the ohss screening, discussed my case with the consultant in charge and kept us informed re the now frozen embryo. Dr gloom and doom didn't have the best bedside manner, but he was really careful re the ohss.

Grin re the taxi driver. When we thought EC would end up on the one day Dave couldn't do, my parents offered to take me, until I pointed out that they couldn't provide the essential goods...

Right need to get off mumsnet!

Frannieannie · 13/11/2012 22:27

Blush BlushSorry doll. Hadn't really thought that through. Blush Blush

CritterPants · 14/11/2012 02:34

Hello gang! Gosh, I have missed a lot. Amazing news about all our hard won preggos on the thread now, gives me hope! Lovely news beryl and hang in there frannie. And hooray for the Beirut Three, Gordon and Sapphire, the Lucky 13, and all the other IVFers. Sorry not to catch up properly - you know how hard it is when you get out of the loop and it's overwhelming how much has happened.

mellow hope you've got your feet up - actually marmalade is something I have plenty of, as my dad makes his own and brings me pots of it in his suitcase when he visits Grin

sar my lovely, sounds like you've had a rough few days - I wish I could say the right thing to comfort you. Your new boss sounds like a piece of work. Keep your chin up, you will get there.

gin amazing news about the gin twins and your little bonus frostie. I'm so pleased. And am sending powerful prayers your way for the little embies. I hope they are tucking themselves in nicely!

mrsd sorry you've been feeling blue. I will be joining you, joy, and euro on the January/February IVF bus, so expect lots of clammy paw holding Grin

rabbit aw, I'm sorry about the hurtiness. LOVE that you have been doing home chemistry experiments with litmus paper! Brilliant, this thread never ceases to amaze and amuse Grin

doll absolutely fantastic news about your eggs. I am crossing all fingers and toes for a Friday egg-fest! Can't believe it's so soon now, I'm really hoping with everything I've got for you.

rabbit I reckon posh cocktails somewhere children are not encouraged is a brilliant birthday idea. What else... you could go shooting a la euro? Or get a lovely massage, that's always a really nice birthday treat. When is the actual day?

Well I'm back after a blissful weekend at home, being spoilt rotten by my family - my dad cooked roast lamb (hard to get here for some reason, Americans don't go in for it) and I went to John Lewis with my mum and sister (heaven!) and poked around the haberdashery department, and saw two lovely close friends for what I term a 'power chat' where when you only have, say, half an hour to catch up, you forget the small talk and get straight stuck into talking about the big stuff - men, fertility, heartache, work etc etc. It was SO nice to be home for a bit.

akuabadoll · 14/11/2012 07:16

hey, just quickly artemis gin sar I see I've been put in a meeting on Friday afternoon, my EC is Friday morning, it that cool or should I try to get out of it? It's all local to me, and I could organize to be ferried about (generally walk everywhere).

mrsden · 14/11/2012 07:52

Morning,

Euro, critter and joy - we can be a little new year ivf gang. I might try and sneak in a cycle in dec, but this might not be possible because of the holiday period.

Frannie, yes I think I'll be doing short protocol but the clinic will make the final decision after I have a scan. Your poor nephew, it's such an awful thing to go through. Teenage cancers have very good outcomes though, but the treatment is aggressive and it's a long slog. I'm wishing him strength.

Ugh, I'm glad I can't see that advert. I bet no one considered how insensitive that would be. Judging by the relentless pregnancy announcements, updates, scan photos, baby pics on fb people don't have much of a clue that these things can be painful for some of us. I think if you conceive easily, you can't imagine that it's any other way for others. Also, I think people totally underestimate how difficult infertility is.

Critter, oh roast lamb. I do miss that. Did you have roast potatoes, mint sauce and the works? I am very jealous.

I saw a pregnancy announcement complete with scan photo on fb this morning. It's from an ex colleague, someone I haven't seen in years and unlikely to see again. I should probably delete her. I know she got married the year before me so I had wondered if they might be struggling, but I dont think anyone would put up a scan photo with the comment look what we made if they had trouble would they?

sarlat · 14/11/2012 08:07

Doll - consider getting out of that meeting. You could feel dandy after EC by the afternoon but most likely you will feel a little bit drowsy or achey. Or just very emotional.

Critter - Your weekend sounds great! You have made me reaslise all the lovely and simple things we have in the UK that I ought to enjoy more often.

Den - that scan pic sounds like it comes from smug instadiffers. Bloody hell, wish they would all bog off.

akuabadoll · 14/11/2012 08:14

Ok thanks sar thought that might be the case. I'll see what I can do, bit of a pain as it's for a piece of work I just started and my line manager calling meeting.. I have a damn cold too, my boys have been snotty for weeks I can't believe I didn't get it before.

GinSoaked · 14/11/2012 09:09

Just popping in quickly to say doll cancel your meeting! With the sedation, you're not allowed to be on your own for 24 hours and I had really terrible short term memory loss the day of EC (they gave me a big dose of it cos I was nervous!). I asked about 50 times how many eggs they got! I was also walkin like John Wayne, as I was pretty sore. The clinic specifically told me to do nothing that afternoon and it was mid afternoon by the time i got home, as they wanted to make sure the bleeding had stopped before they let me go. I prescribe crap tv, pjs and chocolate for your Friday afternoon!

akuabadoll · 14/11/2012 09:17

Oh balls. Thanks gin

ArtemisTheHunter · 14/11/2012 10:20

just popping in Doll to back up what Sar and Gin have said. I would postpone the meeting unless it's life or death (and they rarely are). It took us ages to break out of the hospital to start with, they made me stay because my pulse rate didn't go back to normal for a while and then we had to wait for the embryologist and consultant to come and talk to us. I had to sign to say I would be in the company of a 'responsible adult' for the next 24 hours. I fell asleep in the car coming home and went straight to bed when I got in. Also had quite bad stomach cramps and stabby ovary pains, not surprising really, that fecking needle is about a foot long.

it's hard work taking time off when you freelance though. i told a few clients that I would be unavailable this week due to minor surgery. Cue lots of emails saying "Hope you're recovering well, please can you do this?" Good job I'm not actually properly ill. Am at my desk today, though not dealing with any calls/emails, my office is at home so I find it hard to sit in front of crap TV when I know the work isn't going to go away.

EuroShagmore · 14/11/2012 10:40

Sorry frannie - I just couldn't resist! I hope you are doing ok and that your nephew is too.

Good suggestion critter! rabbit I can highly recommend shooting clays as a great stress reliever (and it is rather more accessible than the distance target stuff I'm getting into). I've been on corporate days before, and I took my dad for his birthday this year. It was a lot of fun. With an instructor almost every beginner will hit something. And it is quite therapeutic!

Critter your weekend sounds lovely!

mrsd I have my consultant appointment at Create in mid December. If my cycles pan out as expected, two periods from now should take me to about 20th Jan and I would hope to start then. I can't believe my cycle is more regular than it has ever been and I still can't get blooming well diffed!

doll I second/third what the others have said. EC is minor surgery under sedation after all! I think you should arrange to take it easy afterwards.

I'm on about cd20 here. I'm desperately hoping that my period doesn't come before 22 Nov, as I have just booked in for a scuba refresher course on the 21st! I don't want to waste quality diving time on holiday d1cking about taking my mask on and off for the instructor and hopefully doing the refresher course at a good diving school here before I go will mean that they won't need me to! But I do want my period to come asap after that so I won't be attracking sharks on holiday! On our honeymoon, one morning we signed up for a snorkelling trip out at sea that afternoon. At lunchtime my period arrived. We both spent the whole time rather nervous, thinking of me as shark bait! We didn't see anything and then as we were getting off the boat back at shore, we saw a baby shark lurking in the shallows and wondered where mamma was.... Shock

akuabadoll · 14/11/2012 11:30

Thanks for all the prompt interventions ladies. You are right Artemis freelance is tricky with this kind of stuff as are the endless fecking holidays here, it's a real pain, I loss so many days through lack of availability on the part of those who's jobs respect the holidays and due to the baby prison nursery closing every five minutes. It's funny how respect of multiple religions appears all for a sudden when it comes to observing holidays, I lived in Bosina in the 90s, same deal. Think I have side-stepped the meeting though via a bit of craftiness.

Grin euro-shark-bait

akuabadoll · 14/11/2012 11:39

Back again. Ken just called. He has someone organize his calendar so he blocked time for the EC. Until 11am, when he now has a meeting. The EC is at 9.30 FFS. Don't let this get in the way Ken will you? He has been told off and is now trying to fix that. oh frannie thanks for the giggle yesterday. Hope we don't have any nightmare jizz in a jar stories on Friday. I've never heard of a case of that not working out, god that would be a nightmare, right? The day he is not available is Monday which would be ET if I get that far, but I'll just go alone for that.

joycep · 14/11/2012 12:14

Rabbit ? snap at seeing that terrible trailer! Yuk. Sorry about AF.

Sar ? i?m so sorry to hear you are so down at the moment. It?s relentless and so hard when you are in limbo land like this. You will get answers when you have your lap but the waiting and the hanging around is the worst part because you are constantly wondering and second guessing what it?s going to throw up. When you know what you are dealing with , you can hatch a plan. Also, i was told yesterday that my clinic likes to do hysteroscopys before ivf because they find that it helps implantation. It?s something to do with the messing around up there. So hopefully once you have had the lap and everything , your next FET will have much more success. I?m really sorry that your new boss is being awkward. That is an extra stress you don?t need right now. Do you have a start date yet and do you have an exact date for your lap now?

Frannie ? i can imagine the spotting is terribly worrying but it can also be terribly normal. Have you thought about having an early scan to put your mind at rest? The EPU should be able to do that. I?m sorry to hear about your nephew as well. What a worry for your whole family.

Gin ? that is interesting Create throw all those drugs at you. i thought it was all super mild. Clexane sounds horrible! Ignore the rumbles, your body is probably just settling down. Yes Roy managed to get out to our meeting yesterday. It?s very difficult for him to juggle work and these appointments but I?ve told him he will only be needed one more time on the day of EC and he?s to concentrate on work and leave this to me. Yes i am such a scaredy cat and was ripping off my oxygen mask, sobbing and shouting in theatre. They worked very quickly to put me out asap! When i awoke i was like a drunken woman telling everyone how lovely they were. Grin at the swollen ovaries badge. In fact there should be a i?m doing an ivf, what?s your problem badge.

Critter ? i?m glad you had fun in the UK. Do you go to JL in Oxford street? I?m always in there and sadly often in the baby department buying things for friends babies. But i also love the haberdashery department. Your dad sounds like a gem ? he makes marmalade , cooks lamb and looks after you so well..

Mrsd ? so if you do short protocol , how long does that take from start to finish/? Unfortunately i think i will be doing LP but they decide during my monitoring cycle. I?ve been told it takes 6-7 weeks from the first monitoring scan to ET.

Euro ? very randomly my parents gave me a clay pigeon shooting lesson for my birthday. I can?t think of a better way of releasing a bit of stress perhaps that?s why they gave it to me. i hope your period arrives when you want it. i would hate to think of you as shark bait!

Doll ? organising the men is bloody annoying . i?m glad Ken is trying refix things.

Art ? i hope you get good news this pm about your embies. Thinking of you.

I started asking this ivf doc yesterday about what happens if my eggs are crap and blah de blah and he basically put me in my place and told me what?s the point of thinking about that now. That shut me up.

EuroShagmore · 14/11/2012 13:06

Doll Ken obviously fancies himself as Mr Speedy then, with that schedule... Hmm I hope he manages to rearrange things.

joycep short protocol is done all within one cycle so basically you start at the beginning of you natural cycle, take drugs, have EC around the time you would have oved (allowing for things speeding up or slowing down a bit for the drugs) and then ET a few days later, the same as long protocol.

I think your dr was right. You just have to go into this open minded and give it a go. You can decide on next steps afterwards.

ArtemisTheHunter · 14/11/2012 15:08

Afternoon all

Making slow progress with work today so thought I'd pop in and try to catch up properly skiver

Gin great news on the blasto in the freezer! Fingers crossed Gordon and Sapphire are bedding in nicely. Thanks for the info on the clexane, sounds nasty. It's odd that create are filling you with drugs at this point. I have to start using the progesterone pessaries from tomorrow but they haven't specified which hole to use - just told me to 'slot one in' after i've gone to bed (consultant's words Hmm). I too am not fond of the idea of shoving things up my arse. I can't believe they did that without telling you! I want a 'mind the swollen ovaries' badge too. I do feel sore still. I guess it will take a while to wear off.

Pout I think you're right about resilience. Whatever happens to any of us on here I believe we will come through OK and be stronger for it. How are you doing with house hunting? Hope you can stay in the same area so it doesn't mess with your treatment, that kind of stress is not what you need.

Liking the positive stories, especially the ironic pre-IVF diffs, good to know it can happen. Beryl FX for your prog test, hope it sets your mind at rest.

Joy I second Euro and surprisingly enough your consultant, one step at a time is the only way i have been able to get through this. That is very much not like me but forcing myself not to think ahead has kept me sane!

Thinking about the new year IVF gang and fingers crossed for a series of 'fuck off to the universe' ironic diffs before then!

Sar I am sorry you still feel down. Big hand-hold and hug. The new boss will just have to live with whatever happens... they can't discriminate against you, especially as you were honest with them before you agreed to take the job.

Doll bugger about ken's meetings, I hope he can manage to re-arrange. If you go in on time he'll do his bit while you are under, so he would be able to get away, but you'd need someone else with you which is not ideal. Does his workplace know what's going on? Sounds like you have more than enough stress over there as it is without diary induced complications. Don't think about the numbers, you are as you are and it's all about quality. My numbers are OK so far but that just means I am finding other things to worry about, I guess that's just how it goes.

Rabbit on the knob-washing i can only imagine they must get some men in with dubious personal hygiene... Confused Hmm Amused by the litmus test. How do you know how acidic it is meant to be? The female body is just too complex. It's sad about your colleague's daughter. FWIW I think infertility can make as well as break a relationship. I have a friend who remains child free after 10 years of failed treatment for repeat mc and who has one of the strongest relationships I know. She feels the infertility brought them closer. Non-kids things sounds like a good idea for your bday. Mine is coming up too, I am short on ideas, in fact mainly keeping my head down and hoping nobody remembers that next year is the big one Hmm

I promised a run-down on EC for those interested. If you're not you can skip the next couple of paras! We had to arrive at 8.15 for the op at 9.30. We got our own room with a bathroom - basic, but at least private - and had a succession of visitors - the nurse, who did a health questionnaire and my blood pressure, height and weight; the anaesthetist to talk me through the sedation process; and the consultant who was in charge of sucking out the eggs. I think I offended his professionalism by asking what would happen if things went wrong. There was a big list of disclaimers on the form... he raised an eyebrow and said "I'm not planning for anything to go wrong". I shut up, didn't want to piss him off Hmm. I signed various consent forms, put on my glamorous open-backed gown, got my hospital wrist band and they did multiple identity checks (which I was glad about - one of my paranoid nightmares is what if they label the eggs/sperm wrongly and I end up with a cuckoo baby?!) After a lot of waiting around the procedure itself was very quick. I had to walk down to theatre so had been advised to take a dressing gown to preserve my modesty, which is just as well or half a dozen random porters would have seen my bum. Once in theatre they did everything very fast. i found it very disorientating, there were about 3 nurses, the embryologist, the anaesthetist and the consultant all taking over my head while I tried to work out what was going on. But once they got the needle in the back of my hand and started pumping drugs in I didn't care. One thing I was grateful for is they waited until I was on my way out before the nurses positioned my legs so i didn't have to lie there in the stirrups feeling exposed and vulnerable while people did their jobs around me.

Next thing i remember is waking up... they wheeled me back to the room on a trolley and got me into bed where I dozed for a bit while I came round. After about 20 minutes they did my BP and left me some water, then after another 20 mins they did the BP again and brought a sandwich. I wasn't allowed to leave until I'd eaten and been for a wee. Actually we waited longer than that, first because my pulse was too low and then because we had to wait for the embryologist and consultant to come and tell us how many eggs we'd got. And that was about it - we left at about midday, tottered out to the car and home to bed. They were very brisk and professional throughout and I did feel confident that they knew what they were doing, even though it felt a bit like the IVF production line, but that has been true of this process since the start - i guess it's better to be treated by someone who does 30 egg collections a week than only occasionally.

So the embryologist rang this morning. 8 of the eggs have fertilised, of which 4 look good. So we wait... Friday looks the most likely date for ET, but she did mention holding over to Monday if any of them looks like meeting the criteria for blastos. That would be day 6, not day 5, but they don't work on sundays obvs... Anyway, as above: don't think about that yet Artemis

Sorry for mega post. Funny how I can happily concentrate on writing a post on here but not on writing my report! Grin Must be time for a break. I've discovered Green & Black's hot chocolate. For its protein content, obviously Smile

EuroShagmore · 14/11/2012 15:32

Artemis thanks for the EC run down. I always find it helpful to know what to expect. I hope you are being well-looked after and enjoying that hot choc. I LOVE the Hotel Chocolat hot choc. They done with no milk powder in it so I can make a lacto-free version. And it is gorgeous.

8 fertilited eggs with 4 looking good is fab!