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mrsmellow ·
06/11/2012 18:02
critter I see your cockroach and raise you an army of ants on the ceiling (I am quite fond of them, they haven't discovered the kitchen yet), at least 2 millipedes a day (all very lost looking - if we don't return them to the foliage, then they end up dead, curled in a ball in the corner) and a scorpion in the postbox..... I have heard that you don't get ants and cockroaches, but I think that is because I choose not to see the cockroaches. We keep all open foods in sealed tupperware boxes paranoid, paranoid
Gin well done you, great collection, fingers crossed for lovely blastocyst development - and love the anti-anxiety meds.. 
nelly lots going on -hang in there!
no AF still!
sarlat ·
06/11/2012 18:06
Critter - Cockroadch you say. O my word!
Rabbit - I can second Euro's recommendation to eat reese's peanut butter cups - well yum! The acu lady being able to tell about the pregnancy last cycle is amazing. But I do believe this and it is possible to become very very attuned to bodies. This is how women use to be long before the creation of drugs, pee sticks and modern things. If you think about how in tune many of us are with ovulation, the sense AF is coming, the way we can tell how proegesterone is affecting us, how we may feel implantation etc I am not suprised there are highly trained people out there who can see these things in others. But it is all still amazing and I have so much confidence that things will come right for you.
Gin - 11 eggs. Wow, you superstar. In won't matter that some aren't mature. Yes I think a bit of bleeding or spotting and a little tenderness is to be expected. Lets hope they are being over cautious with the OHSS. The anxiety drugs are brill aren't they. I would buy them on the black market if I could. Take good care and rest. Good luck for the next step.
Cosmos - that is a good 2ww tactic! Getting emotional and transfixed on every little niggle isn't fun. And you never know about the infection thing - could be the answer. Fingers crossed and well done for taking the initiative.
Joy - thanks so much for the pm. I guess you have a month off ttc if the antibiotics aren't compatable? I hope you have lovely, relaxing, 'no cares in the world' month.
Pout - oh dear. House moves and dog leg lumps are not nice, I'm sorry. I agree it would be wise to move within your PCT assuming they offer you good IVF funding. Hope things become easier very soon. It is really tough to deal with long term ttc and other crapola on top. Cosmos is right we should be exempt from other stresses.
Nelly - sorry things are stressy for you too. But not long now and then on to this cycle. I found prostap just fine. Is it just one injection for downreging? Thats what I had and then started stimming about 10 days after I think.
Mellow - You have so much will power, I admire you. I have everything crossed.
Hello to Doll, Buzz, Euro, Den
Art - thinking about you. Hope all is well.
I had a dream about you lot last night. You were all over at my place - except my place wasn't my actual house, it was a city apartment. 
. We had tea and then I drove some of you to the train station, that was it.
ArtemisTheHunter ·
06/11/2012 19:30
Evening all
Hope everyone is well. I've been reading but not posting, busy with work stuff how unreasonable and excessive sleeping. I'm shattered. I don't know if it has to do with hard drugs or just the lack of sunlight and general tiredness of life, as Mr A is knackered as well. We were in bed by 9pm last night, but not in a good way 
Massive hug to Gin, glad EC went well and fingers crossed you don't end up with OHSS. But as others have said, at least Create are keeping a close eye on you and if you need to defer to FET at a later date it might actually increase your chances of a successful outcome. Hope you recover quickly. I like the sound of those anti anxiety drugs, how do I get them to give me some?!
Rabbit good to see you sounding perky. Family stuff and loveliness sounds like just what you needed. Is there a dietitian or nutritionist you can see at the hospital to advise you on weight gain? It's not easy if your appetite is low and stress is a real appetite killer in my experience. They'll be able to suggest high calorie but healthy foods to eat more of - I'm thinking things like avocados and nuts, but of course Reese's peanut butter cups would do the job as well 
Mellow I'm hoping your AF doesn't turn up! It would be a great start to lucky thread 11. Fingers crossed but I understand the need to wait before testing again.
Nelly I'm sure the wedding will go beautifully and all the planning stress will be forgotten! Hats off to you again for dealing with wedding planning together with IVF, I'm in awe.
Sarlat has your cycle settled down? I agree we are probably more observant paranoid than most people at spotting every little twinge. I like Cosmos' theory as well.
S43 I'm sorry you got bad news following your lap. Are they going to treat your endo as well as offering IVF? I know it might not make a difference fertility wise but it might do to your quality of life - you shouldn't have to live with that kind of pain every month. Hope you're managing to get your head around it all. Will you have a long wait for IVF?
Critter eek at the insect life. I lived in Australia for a while and never got used to all the horrible creatures lining up to eat my food, or in fact me. Hope you are surviving election fever. I seem to have missed most of the coverage this time, don't know if there's been less than usual or I am just too obsessed with other things to take notice.
Yay for the return of Pout! Glad you are feeling better about everything and especially that Mr Pout is being more supportive. Sometimes they just take a while to 'get it'. sorry to hear about big dog though... it's really worrying, I hope it's something they can treat. Our little cat is quite old now and sometimes frightens me by the amount she sleeps, I have to stop by her basket just to make sure she's still breathing.
Joy and Cosmos I'm impressed with your foray into bacteriology and I think you are onto something. I know the fishy smell too, though it is intermittent, and in the past have trotted off to the GP in fear and shame only to be swabbed and told there was nothing wrong 
. I think the pH question is significant. Thanks to this thread i've discovered my regular is-it-or-isn't-it "thrush" experience is probably down to a pH imbalance and given that CM is supposed to be so important to conception it makes sense to me that infertility could be related to hidden infections or imbalances. Please do keep reporting back... it's really interesting and may hold answers for some of us.
I'm okay, finally started stimming on Friday and the worst of the head fog has thankfully cleared. I can't feel anything happening - I thought I'd get ovarian pain like i did with clomid - but they said not everyone does. Akuaba you asked about drugs. I'm on 225ml of Gonal F with half that amount of Buserelin (my downregging drug), taken at the same time of day as 2 separate injections. I have my first stimming scan tomorrow morning, then another on Friday. EC will be some time next week [terrified emoticon]. Hopefully your left ovary will show its face for the Friday scan. But if you get 3 eggs, that's still more than enough. Quality over quantity and all that. Over here they would only put back two at the most. Mr A was twitching at all the photos of twins again at our last appointment, but I'm not even thinking about that decision yet. One step at a time.
I may be absent again for a few days, heading for a conference tomorrow afternoon. Over the next few days I will be adding to my list of interesting locations in which to inject drugs - so far a restaurant toilet, shop changing room and client's office (no clients were harmed) - with a toilet on a moving train and a conference centre, you guessed it, toilet. Shooting up in toilets is becoming a way of life. Move over Amy Winehouse. Sorry, bad taste
I'm flicking back and forth between threads but I'm sorry if I've missed anything important (bound to have). Waves to Euro, Buzzy, Mrsden, Charlotte, anyone i've missed? I must shift, Mr A is home from work, only another hour or so until bedtime... zzzzz
buzzybee123 ·
06/11/2012 19:55
well done gin make sure you get lots of rest
rabbit oh if only weight was transferable, I have plenty to share around 
pout so sorry to hear about big dog, it is worrying as they become such a big part of the family, how long do you have before you have to move???
doll my bowels are constantly 'in the way' of my ovaries
cosmos I can't stand roaches they had massive ones when I lived in Aus, we only have little ones in New Zealand the only thing that freaks me out more than roaches are belly buttons
nothing to report my end, I had a bit of ov pain and slight bit of spotting so AF should be here soon, Kayla is becoming a spoilt princess, last night we put her to bed and she had a right little tantrum, meowing and scratching at the door then jumping up at the handle trying to open it, she went on for about 10 minuteS 
but she is soooooooooo cute and furry
waves to everyone else
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CritterPants ·
06/11/2012 20:17
doll I hope that your follies are growing away nicely and that you get a good surprise on Friday. Sorry to hear that you too are roach-afflicted! They are horrible creatures.
mellow a scorpion in the postbox? Bloody hell, I think I'd be put off sending letters for life! That is terrifying.
art at the 70s policeman. I am so glad that you are finally stimming and that the head fog has cleared at last. It's exciting that your EC is next week. It's all happening on this thread! I'm very impressed by your list of drug shooting up spots very rock n roll.
sar that sounds like a lovely dream, I like the sound of hanging out with you all in a city apartment! 
that I can't make it to any meetups.
cosmos lots of my colleagues voted today and we're having people round to watch the results come in tonight. It's definitely a time when I'm glad I'm here, and not in the UK, as last election we were in London and MrC missed being at home with all the excitement going on around him.
euro the clomid and peanut butter cup diet has definitely helped me pork up in the past year by a few pounds.
Well I trotted out at lunch and bought a giant, bright yello tub of boric acid, brand name 'ROACH PRUFE', so hopefully the cockroach's friends' days are numbered. I just hope to goodness its corpse is still there when I get home tonight. The only thing worse than a giant dead roach is a giant alive roach still at large!
MuddyWellyNelly ·
06/11/2012 21:59
When I lived in the caribbean I used to get quite a few roaches in the house. However I'd also get geckos so I used to just let them roam free, in the assumption that they'd eat the roaches . Admittedly I never actually checked this fact. Everyone so often I'd see a gecko on the ceiling above my bed and pray it's sticky feet didn't give up!
I am spotting so just need AF to start by the time I go for my jab on Friday. Lots of us IVF-ing very close together. Hooray for 11 follies Gin, and fingers crossed for no OHSS, but I don't think FET would be as bad as it seems (as others have said, perhaps even a better option!). Glad you are on to Stimming now Art. And fingers crossed for a couple of good eggs doll, i suspect I'll be in the low single digits too, but that'll be better than none I guess . LOL at the Beirut 3/TerhanTwins . Weren't they an 80's band with frizzy hair with spotty hair bows?
Anyway I need to have an earlier night that I have been having lately. I am still reading. Thanks for all the cheerleading about the IVF/Wedding combo. I think I'm just in denial. But just over 6 weeks to go. EEK!
GinSoaked ·
07/11/2012 11:29
Morning ladies! I 'm a bit more with it today.
nelly I'm still in awe of the wedding/ivf combo. Will the ivf be all over by the wedding? at using ghekos as pest control.
Urgh at the roach critter. We get some at work.. But tiny ones. And don't worry I don't work in a restaurant or hospital! The big ones I've encountered abroad make me feel a bit sick.
lemons hope work isn't too hectic.
Kayla sounds super cute buzzy
Poutintrout ·
07/11/2012 14:47
Morning ladies
gin I'm glad that you are feeling okay today, though "farting pessary gunk" sounds delightful!
Three goes at IVF is amazing. I told Leonard before we moved here that I fancied Hertfordshire. Nice houses, reasonable-ish rent but he wasn't keen. Arses.
I know exactly what you mean about just feeling sad rather than mentalling during the 2ww these days.
nelly cripes I hadn't put two and two together and realised that you were embarking on wedding and IVF together. Brave lady Though maybe it is a good thing in that one will distract you from the other IYSWIM
Critter Oh my fecking God at roaches in the wardrobe. I am a total wuss when it comes to anything buggy. This morbid fear probably stems from my grandad sitting on the beach with a can of wasp killer when I was young and nuking anything that came near me!
buzzy aw at Kayla. So sweet. Both our dogs have a hissy when we go upstairs for SWI. They whine and literally stomp around a bit and then you find them, nose pressed right up against the bedroom door. Not off putting at all
artemis I do the checking breathing too. Not because they particularly sleep a lot but just because I am a basket case shudders at the thought of how neurotic I would be as a mother
I did chuckle at your clandestine shooting up and did wonder what the heck you would say if someone burst in on you
sarlat I too an sorry that you have mixed feeling about the lap. All the prodding and poking, discomfort & general inconvenience really is wearing isn't it.
MrsM Any news or movement on the AF front?
Well I am fiddling while Rome burns today. Soon to be homeless, the house is a hairy tip and I am farting around making chocolate coconut squares. Just realised last night that if we reach the top of the IVF waiting list at the earliest indicated point then it will be right slap bang at the time we have to leave here You couldn't make it up!
Also wanted to say mmmmm to Reeses peanut cups though I am quietly sobbing at their apparently off the scale calorific content.
mrsmellow ·
07/11/2012 15:00
gin 4 eggs or embryo's? just when you say move onto donor insemination what do you mean? sorry! Fingers crossed either way - as has been said - you only need one! And farting pessary gunk is a whole new low
pout chocolate coconut squares sound good!
Love the idea of the tehrantwins !
I heard an astounding story today of a couple who are friends with a work colleague. She had a miscarriage, then an ectopic and lost a tube, then some time later 3 failed IVF. Then a failed attempt at surrogacy. Then now, successful surrogacy[gestational carrier - parents egg and sperm] - about 24weeks... and she's discovered she's about 14 weeks parents. So they will have 2 girls within 10 weeks of each other
Can you imagine!!!!
Still no AF in mellow house (and far from bloody mellow I am too!)
Poutintrout ·
07/11/2012 16:24
critter I must admit that I was really pleased to wake up this morning to find that Obama has been re-elected for another term. Not sure why exactly except that he strikes me as very statesman like and smooth I did find his acceptance speech a bit yawn though!
mrsm Jeepers I would be going wappy in your shoes. What DPO are you? Are you going to test again? Do you feel anything? [inappropriate over excited smiley]
Your colleague's friend, let me get this right, is upduffed kind of twice? Two eggs at different times [dumbass smiley] My mind is boggling.
Chocolate coconut squares are done, though I underestimated the amount of chocolate required so some have morphed into raspberry jam and coconut squares. As well as there being a light coating of dog hair over everything in the house there is now an additional layer of dessicated coconut. Big Dog thinks that it is Christmas merrily licking it all up. Leonard will be well pleased - not. It is a fast day for him tomorrow so no cake for Mr Smug I Have Lost Loads of Weight on This Diet, You Didn't and Abandoned It and Now I will Walk Around With My Jeans Hanging Down My Arse Because I am So Thin and You're Not [Not bitter smiley]
mrsmellow ·
07/11/2012 16:51
yes, she's pregnant twice - at the same time
Amazing!
and what good news about Obama - yay! I'd say Fox were not happy - the biased reporting on there was phenomenal - I was in Boston 8 yrs ago when Kerry was running - makes the BBC look completely impartial!
Guys, I don't know what to do about testing to be honest! I'm CD35 (last unstimulated cycle was 43 days and I don't think I ovulated). I was not on stimulation this month -but had a scan at a consultation on about CD 17 - 19 days ago - which showed a 19mm follicle on the left (where my blocked tube was). The Dr said that I had either just ovulated or was just about to and that it was unlikely to result in a pregnancy, but that she wouldn't give me provera (northisterone) to induce a bleed before starting IVF just in case - that she expected me to bleed in about 2 weeks and I could start IVF on day 3 then. So here we are 19 days later. Even if I didn't ovulate until 3 days after that, it would be 16 days post ovulation. I tested negative last Friday (14 days after the scan). I have had sore breasts since Sunday - I normally get sore breasts just before AF, so not necessarily very useful. I otherwise feel fine. Nothing else to report. I kind of want to wait until Friday to test - CD37, 3 weeks post scan. 'liar, you want to test now' shouted her subconscious
But I'm going nuts. I KNOW the minute I test, AF will come! 
Why is waiting so damn hard!!
sarlat ·
07/11/2012 17:37
Wow Mrs Mellow - what a head buggery. Gosh, it's hard to think why your AF is delayed unless you are pregnant. So good luck for testing Friday! Although I don't want to add any unhelpful mentaling, maybe your good tube swam over and grabbed the golden egg from the left ovary .
Pout - I know exactly what you mean about things happening at the same time after months of nothing. My lap (which will be treatment based so may need a bit more recovary time) is happening within days of when I am supposed to start the new job. I guess all we can do is look at all this as a sign of good change. The choc coconut squares sound amazing.
Gin - 4 embryos from mild IVF is nothing short of fantastic. That is such a good start. Do you know how many of your eggs were mature? I think you have the right attitude to all of this - give it a go and see where it leads you. Don't get too up or too down and be kind to yourself. Hope you feel ok? I came crashing down the second day after EC with achey / tiredness.
Artemis - how was the scan today. Gosh you are a busy lady indeed. I am in awe.
Hello to everyone else
The dream would have been better with cocktails - I will aim for this next time
joycep ·
07/11/2012 19:39
ooh lovely new thread. Thanks Buzz.
Gin - sorry about the back door horrors. We are all willing your 4 embies to keep on growing.
MrsM - argh poor you having to do all this waiting. I would have peed on so many sticks by now but then if you have had longer cycles before, i understand the hesitation. Also that is an astounding story?they must have spent shit loads as well. Gestational surrogacy costs about £50k.
Pout - so lovely to have you back and you sound chirpy even though it sounds like you have been dropped another bombshell with your house. this happened before didn't it? Can you at least stay in the same county so you can continue treatment? Also, i'm sorry about Big Dog . I'm a bit of a dog crazed woman and know how much they mean to people.
Critter - i forget is MrCrit American? Drinking too much wine sounds like great fun to me. It has been so long since I let go! Also commiserations on cockroach horror. I was cooking in my disgusting old flat share once and i turned round to stir the rice, to find a cockroach from hell had jumped in. I didn't even know the beasts resided in the UK.
Art - I'm glad the fog has started to lift. It sounds like you have been suffering quite a bit with the down regging. I'm sure things are growing nicely for you. Have a good conference.
Sar - that's funny you are dreaming about us. I look forward to the day where we can all meet and have a bonfire night where we will burn everything ttc related - books, pills, pee sticks, needles. When we all have our little monsters darlings.
Cosmos - I really hope seeing that guy is useful. I know what you mean about seeing yet another doctor but i hope he offers something new to think about. Also i think it's definitely worth checking the other infections Greece found have gone.
Oh it sounds like you have all discussed Girls before. The sex scenes are a bit cringe but I kind of find it addictive viewing. ?the show rather than just the sex scenes
Roy had his sperm fragmentation test back and all was fine. trying not to think too much about what this means, i.e. Joy the problem is clearly with you and your lousy eggs So on Tuesday we have our first ivf appointment and i expect it will all start to feel a bit more real.
waves to everyone else.
buzzybee123 ·
07/11/2012 20:25
gin I saw a lady with a hat, dark glasses and a cat cage outside my house, was it you??? probably best not to be awake with the pessary insertion, yay to the quads
pout ooh I love home baking, how far away do you live how is big dog, when will you have to move, will you stay in the area???
mellow fingers crossed for you, I's have caved and tested by now
well better go I have homework from my life coach and have a busy weekend planned as its Barry's birthday. I am feeling on top of the world right now, work is good (but we do have a right bunch of patients) in at the moment and I hardly spend anytime thinking about TTC which is a relief to think about other things for a change........ waves to everyone
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CritterPants ·
07/11/2012 21:16
buzzy you really are an inspiration. You should feel really proud of how you've processed everything and come out on top. It warms my cockles to see you so happy.
joy when would the IVF start? This is progress - and it is great news that Roy's swimmers are in good shape. Yikes at the cockroach in the rice story. I got home last night to find that MrC had vacuumed it up, bless him. What a relief! Just to be safe, I hoovered again and then sprinkled blue boric acid powder everywhere, behind the fridge and the cooker. We haven't had any in the kitchen, just a little one in our bedroom and then yesterday's whopper in the bedroom closet
Poutintrout ·
07/11/2012 21:42
joycep I would have never been able to eat from that kitchen again if I had found a roach in my rice I'm not joking, I have massive food germ phobias though strangely have no issue with dog hairs in my food or recreating the spaghetti scene from Lady and the Tramp with Big Dog
It is good that the sperm fragmentation test came back okay though I totally get that with all clear tests comes the mindf* of "well what the hell is wrong then?"
Crikey, everyone seems to be IVF bound. Who's have thought when we started the Part1 thread that it would come to this eh.
sarlat Oh for goodness sake at the bad lap timing. These things are bad enough without the additional worries of new job and how it will impact it. It doesn't seem fair that you have already been through so much.
buzzy I am so pleased that you are feeling so much better. I think that sometimes you hit the bottom and just have to come up. I think that I reached the point where I mentally couldn't do anymore tears or despairing and reached a turning point.
As for the house situation we will probably have to go wherever is suitable and accepts dogs. It will have to be Surrey or faux Surrey because of Leonard's job. It was a major headache finding somewhere the last time and we had very little choice so I'm dreading having to do it all again. I can't quite believe that we have been this unlucky twice on the trot. I wonder if we are forced to move out of the hospital catchment area whether we can just set up a mail redirection and not tell them we have moved. What do you think?
critter hurrah for untimely roach ends at the hands of a vacuum cleaner I have been known to do this to spiders and then be afraid of emptying the hoover in case it jumps out
The cakes were v.nice despite the kitchen resembling a scene from a snow globe where I had inexpertly and liberally coated the coconut on everything. Would post one if I could
Good bit of news. The vet called Leonard this afternoon and apparently the abnormal cells were a kind of fat cell so Big Dog is in the clear. We just have to keep an eye on the lump to ensure that it doesn't grow too big so as to cause him problems. I am so happy and TBH it puts all the other shit into perspective. So we have housing issues, at least I have Big Dog
MuddyWellyNelly ·
07/11/2012 22:28
Hooray for good news on the Big Dog (said in a Westwood stylee!). Collective 10+er sigh of relief. You did make me laugh about the lady and the tramp scene . Boo to having to move. I was going to suggest earlier just doing a mail redirection, you can do it for 2 years you know. Just saying.
Re the fact we are all at IVF stages and "who knew"? Mr Nelly apparently . He told me a while ago that he always thought we'd have problems. WTF? In which case, why did he flipping procrastinate for 2 years about starting in the first place. Still, I don't think it's worth going down that particular route.
MrsM oh my goodness how confusing for you. Fingers crossed this is the ironic pre IVF diff that none of the rest of us have had! Talking of which I have very painful AF pains today, more so than usual. I guess the 10 days of pill have done something then. Anyway your friend's situation actually gives me hope. What a weird bunch of conversations they are going to have forever more with teachers, hospitals, passport offices, whatever...
Glad to see you so much happier buzzy. Your life coach may claim the credit, but we all know it was Kayla really . Said with a cat sitting across both my arms so I am typing like I'm wearing handcuffs. She's proof reading, and says purrrrrrr. She isn't so keen on Big Dog though.
4 embies is good gin but I guess you are worried about fertilisation rates? Have the clinic been able to shed any light on this? But if I got 4 embies I'd be delighted so it's all relative I guess!
Having said last night I needed an early night, it was midnight by the time I went to bed. Tonight I'm aiming for 11 so must go. Acu tomorrow then first jab on Friday morning. Yippee.
Sorry for everyone I've missed as always. Oh critter hooray for Obama. Everything I read on my FB/Twitter was supporting him. I clearly have only democrats for friends/celeb stalks! Not one Romney fan .
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