TTC 10+ months, Part 11

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A very friendly and supportive thread for those taking way longer than they had ever expected to make a baby.

Doll, ouch! Maybe see a dr, but massage sound sensible. U poor thing. Euro, thanks 4 that advice.I shall try 2 say and repeat. I think that technique would normally work well 4 me but it is the starkness of a sibling conceiving that is so hard cos of the stark contrast of situations and the timings and the pity that I wil have thrust upon me. But I really appreciate yr advice. Thank u. X. Im sat im a coffee shop, just heard an old lady say that christmas isnt really chrismas without small children around. Shall I throw my cheese toastie at her now?;-) hope everyone is well and having a good saturday. X

sar I work with medics and have had a basic check, at least I don't seem to be brain damaged. I say throw the toasty. Also, I have a younger sister who married years after I did (I got married fairly young), I honestly don't remember thinking about the fact that would start a family when they married, it was difficult when she had her child though I do remember epecially as the long married, at that time childless, older sister. I wouldn't swap my life for hers though.

Ouch doll. I remember years ago, someone walked smack into the metal lamppost outside the shop where I was working. We brought her in, gave her a drink, etc. I think she was bleeding too.

sar that definitely merits some kind of missile directed at her. I wouldn't waste the toastie though! Is there a handy pepper pot nearby or something?

Thanks euro and doll. Doll your experiences of being the older sister are helpful. Euro, I ate the toastie. U are right too good to waste on ignorant lady. I am now in the hairdressesrs and had time 2 think today. I wonder if applying a relaxed attitude to the situation may help. I could try and have a 'life wil sort itself out' attitude although that wil b hard 4 a typical head space planner like me. I know someone who has an easy going attitude 2 everyting and as a result doesn get upset or phased very easily. Need 2 borrow this technique I feel. Because the only person hurting me at the moment is me. Sorry for waffling on. X

I guess the fact is we don't know how things will turn out for us or our sisters for that matter. I would rather know what's ahead of me good or bad, I think, but nobody is offering that service. x

sar it's so hard isn't it. For me, other people's pregnancies remind me rather brutally that procreating is meant to happen fairly easily and for most people, it does. Which in turn makes me feel all sorts of negative things. Lately I worry as much about the pity than the fact I don't have a baby and they will? doll you capture it quite well with not wanting your sisters life. Hare and I came up with the "would you swap with their life, all of it?" The answer is of course always no because I love Hare a silly amount. And in some cases, I wouldn't want their life at all. There never will be a crystal ball for us but that's probably a good thing really. What I do know is that I'm not still smarting over the pregnancy annoucements I have had since ttc. All four of my best friends have conceived and (nearly) had babies in this time. Sometimes I look on Facebook and it looks idyllic and there are lots of aspects I envy. But I also know about the arguments with partners, the lack of sleep, the toll on their bodies, the fall outs wth other mums, the child illness and worries and skintness and the lack of freedom and so on and so on. It passes. Sometimes I picture the absolute worst that can happen and work from there on. I find this actually very helpful and the chances are, it will always be better than that! But, whatever happens, you will have our unlimited empathy and support. I am not an optimist. I wish I was!

doll trapped nerves SUCK! Hope it gets better soon. Might ice/heat help? (Free )

euro there have been several cycles I've been attached to and these are the ones that usually shove me in the tent. Octobers headfuck would have meant a midsummers day due date which I got oddly attached to. Once we had a moment of 'real love' (still pissed off about that thread!)in a very nice hotel with champagne and the works. I stupidly felt it was bound to happen. But that was pre 6 months ttc. These days I suspect it will be when I'm 40plus, have made peace with ttc (adopted? Bought a dog? Most likely both, I, currently desperate for a border terrier but I digress ) have just got a new job, as a result of a half hearted, hairy legged shag.

gin maybe it is the ovaries having a stretch and a yawn. I also think I have a very low pain threshold sorry about daves swimmers. But illness does muck things about.

madness here is your gold plated, diamond encrusted lap medal of honour. Have you been able to have a better debrief with the doctor today about the tube? Sending masses of love and peppermint x

After a very nice market this morning where I bought more craft items, I am now in my pyjamas on my iPad and about to read a book. It is Lazy Saturday in our house. We are making paella for this evening, we do it in the slow cooker and then add the rice, it smells yummy. lemon what you baking, tell me! I have rocky road ingredients secured. This years is having honey roasted peanuts and sour cherries. I'm also having to make some marshmallow ones for Hare. euro try eBay or Etsy. I love etsy.

art what did you end up with for tea?

Afternoon ladies, I don't know where the morning has gone in bed feeling delicate but have managed to get a few jobs done, I was surprised at how quiet Tesco was today, no self adjusting elves down south

doll glad you are ok now, you must of hit with some force

lemon I was prepared for the baby talk and I can't really stop them, I don't have a right to, its not their fault that I don't have a baby the booze helped a little also seeing my boss look uncomfortable

euro it was Geeta you saw then, no surprise that they were running late

madness any news, hope you are recovering and looking after yourself

sar It was most certainly our tamest xmas do's I was slightly disappointed with that but it is interesting to see colleagues out of uniform and their normal environment, I do work with a good crowd, some are just a bit odd, I have to say personally the positive thinking has made a big difference to my life, also the cat but I feel calmer about things in general and certainly don't stress or cry about things like I used to, Barry and I certainly laugh alot more as we both feel less stressed about things, he is less stressed as I am not upset and stressing him out don't get me wrong I still have my moments of sadness and menkulling but it doesn't consume me like before.

gin sorry about the sperm results, what are your next plans?? I f you don't mind me asking.

pout oooh what sort of crafty things are you making??? I hope you find somewhere soon

rabbit how would bunny feel about a dog??? I wouldn't dare get anything else living while miss madame is here, she's most likely to sit on my babies face and smother it out of jealousy what crafty bits are you doing now??

I wouldn't swap my life with anyone else, it took me ages to find Barry and although he isn't perfect, he is perfect for me, baby or no baby. My bitchy boss might have a baby but at the beginning of her pregnancy they told her he had a 5% chance of surviving then she had an EMCS at 26 weeks and constant ops to try and correct things with the baby, he has two ops booked in for early next year, who knows what sort of problems he'll have with being so premature, if any. I don't think she is very happy within herself and is going through alot of changes in her life, not to mention she has put on a shed load of weight other peoples lives are not what they appear to be.
Sorry I can't relate to the sibling thing personally as my sister is older and my niece is now 20!! but I can understand the worry.
Well miss bossy pants i booked into the vets for the snip on Thursday, I think poor Barry is going to be traumatised by it all, he has never had to get a cat in a box before and he has never been to a vets and she is HIS little pampered princess well I have photos to edit before shaming my colleagues on FB

Madness - big big hugs. How are you doing today? What an ordeal. I hope you are home being looked after properly.

Euro - i'm glad you felt good about yourself after going to Create. And so you should after your excellent afc. Really still crossing fingers for you this month. As for jewellery, Hatton gardens is good place to go for jewellers and i'm sure someone can restring pearls down there.

Pout - oh no not the nuddy girls on MrP's phone. what's wrong with them?! i came home once to find Roy passed out in front of some porn channel. I wasn't pleased! Oh and MiL sends us little clippings from magazines as well. The last one was a few months ago and was an article about how women must take folic acid. As if I didn't know that after nearly 3 years of ttc! Goodness, 3rd Jan is really soon. What a nuisance about photo id. My passport took no more than 10days to come. They say 6weeks to cover themselves. Good luck with the house viewing.

Sar - what a rude thing for that nurse to have said to you. There is no harm in having cyclogest , in fact i think it would be wise to support the FET. I don't know why the nhs are so weird about giving it out. Can I ask, did you down reg for your ivf? Oh and i hope you tossed your cheese toastie at the woman. grr. Also It's so hard finding a strategy to cope with announcements. When you have had them in the past , do you find that actually after the initial shock, you can carry on as normal? The thing is we kind of know the strategy and technique we need to have - i.e. for it not to let it bother us but we are in so deep , it's easier said that done.

Rabbit - hum, so may be the spotting is the aspirin. It's horrible when things are out of the norm. I have had pink cm for a few days and i haven't ovulated yet and it just freaks me out as i've never had it before. It's difficult to know what to do next Rabbit. for me, i was just put on to climid and then did iii and didn't have much choice. Clomid only seems to be effective for people with ovulatory problems as far as i can make out. You really have to feel ready i think for ivf. Not that i am but i have got to the point where i have given up. There is literally nothing i can do to get pregnant. Sex does not work and i feel time is of the essence and hence pressing forward. I kind of feel i have no choice really . I know you have had a particularly traumatic time with hospitals etc so do you feel you want to try au natural for a bit longer?? (I realise this is all in response to something you wrote 3 days ago)

Lemon - i am pleased you had a productive counselling session. Let's hope that follie is the one. i love home made stuff. What a lucky friend to get a knitted scarf from you.

Buzzy - yes i agree so easy to focus on things you don't have. Glad the chrimbo party was ok. I am so intrigued at how you have managed to do the positive thinking. I do try ever so hard but my negativity just takes over.

Critte - how infuriating you can't tell if you ovulated. I hope you are having a nice weekend.

Art - sorry about mrart being laddy. grrr. can you give him a good talking to?

Gin - i am sorry about Dave's SA. But hurray to boozy xmassy drinks.

Doll - at your accident. poor you!! trapped nerves are ridiculously unpleasant.

Well 1 party down and 2 more to go. No baby announcement and no one asked us anything. I have been grumpy about this weekend for ages. I'm my own worst enemy winding myself up like this. One cutey baby joined us and parents are just on cloud 9 and i just kept saying one day it will be our time. But slightly shocked as was chatting to my friend's DH and he is being posted to my nhs ivf clinic next year . If my first ivf cycle at my private clinic fails , i will be going on the nhs but i can't go there if he is there!! He's lovely but immature and i can't get head my around him using dildo cams on women let alone on me! . No siree.

HOpe everyone else is having good weekends.

euro are you wanting to fix the bracelet yourself or have someone fix it for you, I got some jewellery stuff from Hobbycraft.

joy its all down to my life coaching, and how you view yourself, how much you value yourself, she has taught me that everything my mother taught me was shit, that I am an amazing person and that I deserve to be treated better than I have been, we are now onto assertive behaviour which isn't too difficult as long you are assertive and not aggressive, but she is teaching me the burger technique which I am struggling with right now

buzz as it is only a cheapie, I was thinking of trying to fix it myself, but I am useless at stuff like that (hence no crafting in 20 years), so I will probably have a go, mess it up and then pay someone else to do it properly! I will take a look at etsy, ebay and hobbycraft.

joy I'm glad the parties haven't turned out as bad as expected. I'd be horrified at the prospect of a friend's husband dildocamming me though!

The jetlag is finally wearing off a bit I think. I made it to 7.30 this morning. Once Mr Euro and our houseguest is up (friend who was over for dinner last night), we have a tree to decorate!

Morning all

joy do you not want your friend's dh to know that you're going to the clinic or could you just request that he not be your doctor? I have friends going to the same ivf clinic as us but haven't had the same doctors. I totally understand though, no way am I mixing personal life with fertility treatment .

doll that sounds painful. MrM did a dramatic slide and fall last year on a roadworks sign that had fallen over and was covered in snow. He had trouble with his wrist for a long time afterwards.

euro I would start with hobbycraft. Once I get started with the online craft stores I tend to overdo it a bit! I just Love pretty bundles of fabric and ribbons. Hoping to finish my latest quilt over Christmas prior to the next imminent baby arrival. Happy tree decorating!

buzzy I am intrigued by the mention of burger technique......had to cancel my counselling appt last week due to the cancelled flights and epic train journeys but hopefully I can reschedule soon and get the ball rolling.

rabbit I am wearing my medal. Itis the perfect accessory for a baggy nightgown,fluffy slippers and anti embolism stockings I am with hare, rocky road must have marshmallows.

So here's my update...... Home from hospital yesterday and being well cared for. My consultant wasn't on but spoke to another one who had my surgery notes. They have removed the left tube because it was all matted and stuck down. They drained the cyst on my left ovary but removing would have been too risky. Not much mention about the right side so will get more details during follow up but consensus was that everything was pretty thoroughly stuck down and removing too much would put my bowel at risk and obviously they didn't want to do that. If they'd nicked the bowel I would have had to have a laparotomy and potentially a colostomy bag . My discharge letter confirms stage IV endometriosis which I knew but is still hard to read. I have been given a shot of decapeptyl (called zoladex by some of the doctors so same thing) to shut known my ovaries and stop the condition progressing for the next few months until we are ready to start ivf. Hopefully by the time we get to the top of the list I'll be fully recovered and ready to go. A bit worried about the side effects of down regging (which is essentially what this is) for a long period of time...... But looking forward to a few months without periods any advice from ivfers who have been on it would be much appreciated.

Apologies for not name checking everyone. Thank you so much for all of the support. Hopefully supervising tree decorating this afternoon

Madness - wow, you sound really well and bubbly. So pleased you are doing ok. I understand it must be hard to get the diagnosis confirmed even though you knew it was coming. I wonder if the right side isn't too bad after all? Even if your tubes are still swollen and blocked and can't be removed, people do get pregnant with IVF and hysdrosalpinx in place. I downregged for my full IVF cycle. For me it was fine. I had some cramping here and there followed by heavy blood loss but nothing that couldn't be sorted in the usual heavy period way. I didn't get any unpleasant side effects and felt very well within myself. I know it's different for everyone but hopefully you will feel just fine. Can I ask when did your endo symptoms start Madness? Anyway, I am delighted that you have earned your medal. You have been very brave and now you can move on to the next step with the best chances and the best plan. I hope you have a few relaxing few days - your surgery was more intense than a standard lap (as I think mine will be) so take the time you need to recover.

Joy - oooo nooooo, freind's husband doing dildocamming. Not on your nelly. I am 100% certain both you and he will request not to have a professional working relationship if and when the time comes that you go to that clinic. How do you feel about him accidently finding out that you are a patient at that clinic? It is more than his job is worth to mention that you are a patient. And to be honest, most health people don't give two hoots about who is or isn't a patient because it's just the 'day job' if you get what I mean. I hope you are feeling ok after your mums helpful tips and hints. She loves you loads, that is so clear but hard to know how to manage the odd comments I guess. Yes I did downreg for my IVF cycle. My clinic have never been overly concerned about my low AFC. I am not sure I needed to downreg - does anybody? I have also come to realise based on Nelly's experience that my follies probably would have grown regardless of the massive increase of stimming drugs half way through when I was told I was in "ovarian decline". I also had progesterone injections during the TWW of the IVF cycle as is usual. I didn't have any progesterone support for my natural FET. My failed cycles have been blamed on a hydrosaplinx by one Dr and just "bad luck" by another. It's hard to know who / what to believe or do. With AFC, I am not convinced that it has a direct link with predicted outcomes. My AFC and actual outcomes were very mismtched.

Rabbit - aaaa, I understand what you mean about asprin being to blame for the spotting. Yes, it can thin the blood. Ah - what an irritating thing to hapen. On the plus side, thin and bright period blood is optimum so here's hoping your womble is having a sparkly early spring clean. Thank you for all your kind words. I have decided to try and let the universe worry about stuff for a while. I can't be responsible for what does and doesn't happen and I know I am putting far too much pressure on myself with babies in the family situation. I am going to try to be a little more chilled -

Well, we had some arguments in the family last night. I am not very good at arguing and don't deal very well with bad feelings. I know most things sort them selves out in the wash but we are not an 'arguing' family iyswim. Youngest sibling (getting married in 1 week) accused me and eldest sibling of "plotting" and making her do things she doens't want to around seating plans and christmas present buying. I know it smacks of pre-wedding stress and nerves. And if this is just a temper tamtrum in the run up to the weding then fine, I won't worry. But little sis was very indignent, told me off for a good 10 minutes, I was told my behaviour was innappropriate that she was saddened that for the first time in our adult lives she had needed to have 'words' with me and other sister. I was like . I didn't say much other than "ok, no problem". It was really odd. I tried to convince her maybe things had been misunderstood and no harm meant etc but she was very sure of herself about how badly we had upset her. I can honestly and truely say I have never ever done anything to hurt or upset her in my life. Hence why I am so determined to find a strategy to manage my inner feelings if she were to announce a pregnancy so that I didn't do anything to make her feel bad when and if that day comes. I'm not perfect of course but she was talking as if we had been railroading her and aggressive about things. Ironically I tend to be the one who does whatever others want (and gladly so) for an easy life. I know this reads as something and nothing and I know families do argue. But I worry her soon to be DH is egging her on. They carry on like that in his family. I once heard a very clever person say that every family had different dynamics and it isn't possible to come along and start judging what should or shouldn't be said / done as things usually tick along ok just as they are for most families. I worry he is trying to make her "speak her mind" about percieved insults or minor things born out of nothing situations which usually disapear by the morning. Sorry if this is hard to follow. I guess I am just hurt. I don't want our relationship to deteriorate. And I have reflected hard - but I don't think I have been awful towards her. Lets hope its pre-wedding stress ay. Nelly can you ad anything here? I am honestly not an evil big sister. Sorry for thread hogging.

Just a quick note to nelly I'm sorry it didn't work. Hope you have a fabulous wedding and honeymoon.

Mmm sar without knowing your sis, does sound like pre wedding stress. I understand your point about the soon to be husband and his probable influence, I'm sure there is some of this too. I see my BiLs 'ways' in my sis these days which I'm not crazy about, but in the end they are a family now and they work together even if I do find it rather unattractive at times. I should add though I do have the luxury of distance and don't have the intense face to face drama very often.

madness well done on plowing through this difficult time. I took down regging meds for 18 days without real issues. I do feel that often your body or mind or both, I don't know, 'adjusts' to longer term meds and if there are some side effects you get used to it and stop noticing in the same way. Like I say, I'm not sure where this response originates but it's my experience. I found the downregging annoying and I wanted it over with because I'm an impatient person and was never fully convinced I was downregging for good reason not because I was having a terrible time, physically, with the meds. We are all different so we can't say for sure it will be a walk in the park but like most things just getting on with it is easier than waiting and wondering. Another way to think about it in my case (I know yours is more complicated but it may help anyway) was that I wasn't delaying my IVF by downregging. Extending the time I was on meds yes but delaying treatment no, because I would have started a SP 2 weeks later anyway. Sometimes little details help shift perspective I find.

morning ladies, I'm feeling very lazy today, haven't even got dressed yet and slightly confused at it is CD11 and still 1 bar on the CBFM?? Going to ambush Barry later just to be on the safe side as I usually ov CD12 but he is off to Bristol again for a job interview tomorrow.

madness you sound very calm, sorry I have no experience in the IVF field but I do think everyone reacts differently to down regging from what I have read, it is a pity that the NHS doesn't offer IVM in this kind of situation, the more I look into the more I like the idea of it, maybe I just haven't understood it properly if I start to say stranger things than normal you'll know I'm trying out new techniques on you lovely ladies, practise makes perfect burgering is when you say something nice/good about the person/comment then have your say then follow it up with something nice/good about what the other person has said.

sar sorry your sister has upset you, big hugs just remember that this is a reflection of how she feels about herself/situation and not how she really feels about you or your other sister, so try not take it personally as it really isn't about you at all, weddings do make some women act a bit odd if she continues to talk to you like this after then that will be the time to say something, for now just go with the flow, it is one more week, the relationship will only deteriorate if she is disrespectful to you afterwards, does your sister know about your TTC journey???

lemon aren't you having IUI today???

Lazy Sunday waves

sar I agree with doll that it sounds like wedding stress. Try not to take it personally. She'll probably get some perspective once it's all over. I avoid confrontation at all costs and know how stressful it can be when you're trying to think about what you've done that might have caused offence.

doll thanks for the sensible advice. I would have to take a few months to recover before starting treatment anyway so this won't delay it. It also sounds like my chances of achieving a natural pregnancy are pretty slim so I should let go of my disappointment that it's been taken out of my hands for the next few months. I'm lucky to be getting all of this in hand at a relatively young 34 and I still have time. Still recovering from ga and on two types of antibiotics as well as the decapeptyl injection so can't make heads or tails of my symptoms anyway!!

sar you asked for details about my symptoms. In retrospect I think they started in my early 20s. I have always had heavy periods and lots of cramps but I started having bleeding mid cycle and really bad indigestion with my period. The docs tried me on every type of birth control pill going and I had breakthrough bleeding on them all. Eventually I decided to go off of birth control altogether to let my body sort itself out. Perhaps that was a bad decision in terms of the spread of the endo in the years since and I do regret that I just got fed up with the docs rather than pushing for more investigation. If I ever had a daughter with similar symptoms I would definitely be pushy now! I also have bowel issues with my periods but that's only been over the last few years. Now I know that the adhesions are on my bowel so it all makes a lot more sense. I just thought that everyone had cramps during their periods and didn't appreciate that doubling up on pain meds for days at a time was more pain than was "normal". Alright that turned into an essay, but you did ask!

Oh yes buzzy you are right, good luck today lemon chauffeur driven sperm on a Sunday. I imagine they are dressed for church?

And madness in all likelihood, considering your painful periods and generally horrible time, downregging for a few months is going to be a whole lot easier. Do take it easy in the next days. Do you need to work again before Christmas or are you off completely until the new year? (apologies if you mentioned all ready).

Ooh good luck lemon.

buzzy try away. Burgering sounds like a very sensible approach to things. Would certainly be beneficial in my dealings with MrM!

doll I'm off for the last week of the school term so lots of time to recover before we go back in January. I spend a lot of time running around at work so the timing has been really good. Only negative is no Christmas booze on the Antibiotics which is a bit of a drag - but should be good to go for new year

Evening lovelies!

Indeed I had IUI today, it was painless and SB's contribution was very good (but I only had one egg). We even had the same doctor as for our BFP round. I am trying not to read anything in it, or get to hopeful. Because even if IUI does work in principle for us, there is still a low chance per cycle.

Well done madness for getting through the op. I read up on endo (as it is quite common in unexplained ones, just not as bad as for you) and it is definitely a good plan to down-reg til IVF, as I understood it. It is about preserving the relatively clean and healthy environment for that perfect embie!

So sorry about the sisterly tiff sar. But I agree it is pre-wedding nerves. If she does stay a bit more outspoken as a result of her DH, then maybe you can try buzzy's burgering technique to try and talk sense into her. Also, don't worry yourself about it too much, this too will pass. And she'll have her day very soon and hopefully all will be forgotten. Have a sneaky hug though, because it sounds stressful!

Quick waves and tail feather shakes to all of you. Nearly dinner time, right? PS someone asked what I baked: chocolate cake (BBC goodfood wedding one HMM), and ginger biscuits. I shall leave some out for you on a plate. It was a lovely weekend :)

It's cuntryfile time!

madness I think you are amazing. You sound so together and brave. The down regging sounds like the right plan for you. I get an awful lot of really quite bad cyclical pain due to my womb and bowel touching and wonder if your pain is similar? Like bowel cramps and womb cramps all muddled into one? I manage with codeine and buscopan and was surprised not a jot of endo was found. I like how you are tree supervising and I have good feelings that the treatment you've just had will set things up for 2013. Look after you.

sar sorry to hear of the sister row. That kind of thing would really get to me and I'd play things over and over. I can't imagine you doing anything untoward! I can only see you doing your best to help and contribute to things going easily and stress free for your sister. No doubt it is pre wedding stress and perhaps being with a partner who is perhaps a bit more forceful? I'd let the wedding pass along and see how it goes. I imagine she will be a bit a bit later down the line.

buzzy I am liking the sound of the burger! I am finding your posts v uplifting at the moment. In part I have been inspired to get a dog given how helpfu Kayla has been to you. Clearly not until mr rabbit has moved to Big Water. But I think it would be really good for us. Something to love and nurture.

lemon sperm safely deposited! Fingers crossed for a repeat performance. Liking the sound of the cake. We are making this which I whole heartedly reccomend it is a good un. But we do add bacon

I've had nice weekend. But I need to rant to you ladies. It has been a pain weekend (always cd6-9 why?) which I think does make me a bit tearful as it makes me scared and is also hurty. But I am sick of people asking me how 'things' are. I know it's my fault for sharing in the first place. But it feels as if people want updates on my situation. Like when are you having your next appointment? How are you? Etc etc. I'm pretty sick of being largely thought of in terms of an infertile woman. This is the first time I've really felt this but I've had a lot of people call and it's been a real noticeable theme. Like people expect an update with headlines. And one family member said, well it's unlikely it's going to happen naturally so it probably is time to crack on with treatment. They meant it nicely. But

madness my life coach told me to practise on Barry i'm still not mastering this burger thing

rabbit it took me a second to work out if Mr Rabbit was bunny or hare but what is Big Water?? Kayla has been great for us both except when we want to have sex she is the centre of our lives right now and makes us happy :)
Now I was going to burger this for you but........... you need to be kind to yourself and learn to love the amazing person you are , it is you who thinks you are infertile and that is not true, you are at present reproductively challenged, that is all, and your family plans have taken a different route to the one you had planned and hoped for. The game/journey is not over just a bit long and tedious at times.
I know the 'love yourself sounds creepy, it did to me at first but people feed off you and if you feel negative about it that is how they will respond. How you view yourself will determine how other people view you, and how they will treat you, this is why you have to see yourself for the incredible 10/10 person you really are rabbit.
I feel much better about myself and I have to say people do treat me differently especially at work ,now that I like and respect myself, it took some doing to get to this point, a lot of crying with my life coach and dealing with the past
I feel happier about my situation, I still low moments but I seem to be able to manage them better, I haven't sat and cried about the no baby yet for weeks, I'm sure I'll feel sad when it xmas and shortly after that is my due date, I just tell myself that next xmas will be different. I don't stress Barry out so he is happier and that in turn makes us happier.
Anyway in a nutshell I don't actually have any advice on how to deal with the questions, most people I know are too scared to ask me as I used to cry at the mention of it, maybe they are just scared of me full stop now as for the relative I would have been tempted to say ' well as soon as you open your cheque book we'll get cracking' not very helpful, really you need to let them know in a clear way that you do not wish for them to bring it up, I'll have a think about it,
now rabbit and ladies repeat after me I am kind, thoughtfu,l supportive, funny and friendly, I am 10/10!!! I can not hear you..............

This time next year ladies we'll be too heavily preggo to see our swollen ankles and bitching about having a dry xmas and new year

Aw thanks buzzy makes me feel a whole lot better. I know I bring it on myself as I talk to my family about the whole shebang a lot. How are they to know when I don't feel like talking about it. Big Water is bunny nirvana from Watership Down. My rabbit is actually not very friendly at the moment as whenever the Xmas tree is up he disappears for a month loving its branches and wildlifeness. We get very neglected. But he should realise that his lack of love is making me want to get a dog! And not just any dog but a dog trained to go down burrows...

You have inspired me to go and lie on my yantra and listen to nice meditations. I've been doing a lot of reading about cyclogest tonight. Always good to have new plan!

rabbit I thought it was something like that, Barry gets a lot of love and attention, I feel neglected when they snuggle up together, yes a plan of any description is good :)

Hi there ? I?m new to this and this is my first post. It?s comforting to know I?m not alone in this journey, although I?m so sorry that we?re all here in this boat. We?ve been TTC for 18 months now, we?re up to the stage of having an HSG which has come back OK, along with other tests ? so we?re in the ?unexplained? category. To add more emotion to things, I lost my darling Mum in October unexpectedly, so obviously TTC has not been the first thing on our minds. We?ve tried again this month as we feel able to start thinking forwards, with it being CD 16 I should find out xmas week. The odd thing is, I?ve just done a ?if it?s this month, when would the due date be? calculator (I can?t help myself) it would be due on Mum?s birthday. I?m hoping for a miracle for Christmas, although experience has taught me not to hold my hopes up too high. We?ll try again in Jan then we?re going to try IUI (my next cycle starts over the xmas break so can?t schedule IUI until end Jan). Right now having a family seems even more important than before (didn?t think that was possible!!) Wishing you all the very best of luck xxx (ps was this post OK ? not sure of etiquette)