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TTC 10+ months, Part 11

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buzzybee123 · 05/11/2012 19:55

A very friendly and supportive thread for those taking way longer than they had ever expected to make a baby.

OP posts:
rabbitonthemoon · 30/11/2012 07:19

And madness gentle sole slap. I quit watching that when it became apparent I didn't need the 'prep'! Come join me on the hands over ears about anything ttc wagon Smile I'm posting this in bed making the most of not being on the road at 7 but now I'm late. Will catch up properly with everyone on my weekly Sunday tea and countryfile post! Xmas markets and lovely weekend anti ttc plans await - hope you all have a good one Bear

EuroShagmore · 30/11/2012 08:17

Madness I went through a stage where I was addicted to OBEM earlier this year. I justified it on the basis of showing my body what it was supposed to be doing, but really it was just a method of self-torture. I've stayed away for a while now.

Nelly thanks for the EC story. That sedation sounds like great stuff! I hope the Highland 3 are getting over-friendly with Mr N's swimmers now.

Art thanks for the background check. I always find it encouraging to hear people's tales, particularly where there is some similarity to my own story (in your case the "unexplainedness"). I still struggle with the idea of an invasive medical procedure when noone can tell why it might help us. But stories like yours shows that it can work, so thanks.

I'm not surprised you are feeling shakey and teary today. Let yourself process the events of yesterday. It was a pretty big day all round!

doll I'm sorry for the BFN. Hugs.

GinSoaked · 30/11/2012 08:35

Oh doll, I'm really bloody sorry. It's still shit, even if you aren't feeling too upset. It's all the wasted effort that gets to me and as you says yesterday, the wondering whether the pains are pregnancy ones. Do you have to stop all the meds now? And does the clinic do such a thing as a follow up appointment? Not that we've managed to book one yet...

I will post properly at some point soon. Everything's mentally busy at the mo. Like rabbit I have anti-ttc plans this weekend, which involve lots of booze... Happy Friday everyone!

MuddyWellyNelly · 30/11/2012 08:53

Doll I'm sorry. That's truly shit. Sad

Waiting for the phone to ring. This is the part I hate.

MuddyWellyNelly · 30/11/2012 09:12

Holy cow. All 3 fertilised. I am struck dumb.

ET tomorrow. One or two? One or two?

Fuck.

rabbitonthemoon · 30/11/2012 09:36

Nelly woo hoo! I would do two. But I would love to have twins.

ArtemisTheHunter · 30/11/2012 09:40

Oh Doll that's not fair... that wasn't how it was supposed to happen! I'm really sorry Sad Sad.

Nelly Wow. Quality not quantity! I should imagine the embryologist will advise you tomorrow on how many to put back depending on how they look at that point. We were simply told they were putting two back. We could have argued but we didn't.

Madness step away from OBEM! I have never watched it and don't intend to. Read this instead - it's an article (proper scientific one) about why knobs are shaped the way they are Grin

Euro I was the same, I have deeply resented having invasive and expensive medical treatment when there was no clear reason and I'm still none the wiser about the cause of our infertility. My feeling is it was probably something simple like pH levels being hostile to sperm but as the sledgehammer approach was the only thing on offer we went for it. I still don't quite believe that it worked.

Waves to everyone, big hugs to Doll, go easy on yourself today.

mrsden · 30/11/2012 10:01

Wow, massive congratulations art. I'm so made up for you. When will you get to if d out of its one or two?

Nelly, thank you for writing about ec, you have made me feel a bit better about it. I have been worrying about the whole process recently. Well done on the 3. That is amazing, will the clinic advise on whether to go for det or not?

Doll, I'm so sorry. I hope you're doing ok, big hugs.

Pout, that's bad news about the house but great news on the ivf. I think it's normal to feel panicked when it gets close, I know I am. Also, I've been wondering if I really want kids. I think after all this waiting, it's normal.

EuroShagmore · 30/11/2012 10:31

mrsd I'd agree that it's normal to wonder if you want this at all. I certainly have, at times. I think in part it's the fear almost everyone has about how their life will change with kids on the scene and in part it is self-preservation.

pout how exciting that you are at the top of the waiting list.

Nelly clearly they did "get it on". Grin Woo hoo for the Highland Three.

Art I reckon it's something similar. I struggle with the idea that there is no interest on the part of most drs in finding the cause and dealing with that, but instead using IVF as a cure all. But if it works....

MuddyWellyNelly · 30/11/2012 11:18

Thanks all. I feel like I'm updiffed already Grin . They did indeed get it on. Must have been all the Willow-stripping that Art suggested. Scottish reference Smile.

MrN called them Huey Duey and louey (sp?) but they clearly need more Scottish names. I'm thinking Hunter, Dubbary and Barbour Grin

MuddyWellyNelly · 30/11/2012 11:20

Of which clearly only Hunter is Scottish. But they are all Muddy Wellies Grin

joycep · 30/11/2012 11:58

Doll ? i am desperately sorry that is all so unfair. Sad big hug. I hope you are ok. Also i love the fact you work ?in the field?. I?m afraid i would say that if i could because it just sounds so cool!

Nelly ? what brilliant news! that?s really fabulous. I would love to sit and watch the process of my eggs and roy?s sperm fertilising and I would be mum cheering them on from the sidelines. I?m not sure whether they are all in darkened rooms though so that may make it impossible. Obviously your decision but I would put 2 back in not because I?m desperate for twins (i am) but it gives you more of a chance that one will take. I was really quite surprised when i looked at the stats at my clinic how much difference there is in success rates with 2 v 1 embryos. Also, great to hear about how EC.

Art ? i ?m glad the counselling went well. You and MrArt have had a bonkers few days ? it?s enough to stress anyone out.

Pout ? i think we have had this convo before but i have had moments where i have thought ?shit i don?t want to be pregnant? (when i thought something was trying to implant). It really prayed on my mind because i thought that was a very strange reaction. I think it?s because conception and pregnancy has become such a negative connotation in our heads and I don?t think it?s really about whether we truly want a baby, I think it?s more about the fear of failure and heartbreak especially when the stakes seem so much higher with ivf. It?s a self protection thing. That?s fab you are at the top of the ivf list. Take every day as it comes, do what you need to do in the present and don?t try and think about the future (says she who keeps wondering who will be at my funeral if i have no kids).

Euro ? being unexplained is my biggest struggle with going forward with ivf and I keep being told and also reading that ivf really must be ?last resort?. That pisses me off because I don?t know when the last resort is but I have really got to the point of ?i give up?. We have had operations, nearly all the tests under the sun, lots of sex at the right time and nothing else can be done. For me now, ivf is going to have to be the ultimate diagnosis tool and that?s how I?m going to look at it. This is where we will see what happens. The thing is, unexplained could be just a series of multi factorial issues such as hostile mucus, elevated nk cells and sperm morph issues - all of which adds up to zero pregnancy. My friends? friend tried for 6 years, totally unexplained and ivf proved successful and it just seemed that sperm and egg just needed a helping hand in meeting. That?s all it was but they wouldn?t have discovered this until ivf.

Madness ? you torture yourself! The trailer was hideous , I don?t know how you put yourself through it. Watch ?we need to talk about Kevin? ? that is good at putting people off having kids Grin!

Cosmos ? i?m not sure I have that bible book in my library. Will have to check it out.

Princess ? fabulous news. how exciting! I must say i can?t imagine having that moment, i just hope one day i will be proved wrong.

Thrush has got me with a vengenance. Bloody sore and itchy , people must be wondering why i?m walking funny. Annoying as i?ve been so good with taking probiotics. Fed up with my bod. But good news is i have a date before xmas for surgery on my lump.
Big waves to everyone else.

akuabadoll · 30/11/2012 14:29

Just poping back to say yeh for Highland3, bloody brilliant nelly

freedom2011 · 30/11/2012 15:13

artemis awful about the accident. MARVELLOUS about the BFP.

nelly hoorah! go you. fingers crossed for you.

I've had the month off doctors and drugs and being IUI-ed and just enjoyed being with DH. Back to it next cycle.

MuddyWellyNelly · 30/11/2012 15:47

Thanks everyone. Doll I am still feeling so heartbroken for you. What do the clinic say?

Re the single/double. I think 2 but my last clinic scared me with stories of problems and risks with twins. But at the end of the day I think I'll take that chance. I think. They are just assuming it will be 2. We will see how they look tomorrow.

Will post properly later.

akuabadoll · 30/11/2012 16:26

nelly the clinic didn't even call me as they said they would. FFS. Makes it a bit grim, I haven't tryed to chase them up because I don't know who was supposed to ring me and I can't be bothered to get into it. Gin I guess this answers your question about follow up! Lovely positive Ken holding on to hope is all interested that you and others said testing is 16 days passed EC rather than 14 as it is today. But I don't hold any hope all at. I will finish the drugs tomorrow I think, the end of the current package. Blimey, it's rubbish isn't it? I guess I realize it went I write it down and when I make comparisons with treatment as experienced by others. Oh well it is what it is.

nelly I noticed that on principle and/or at a distance from the ET folk tend to feel in favour of one and closer to the actual choice two looks more attractive. It sounds like your clinic will discuss with you. Well done again, I'm excited for you. X

ArtemisTheHunter · 30/11/2012 17:08

Doll your treatment throughout has been comparatively pretty shabby. You sound very resigned about it all but it shouldn't have been that way and I am really sorry you've had more trauma than necessary throughout an already traumatic process. I'm with Ken and I'm really hoping the test was just too early. I was told the blood test could have been inconclusive on Wednesday so I guess an HPT could be as well. it is indeed rubbish though Thanks

Nelly I think Doll is absolutely right on the one vs two thing. Before we started IVF we said we would only put one back because we were both frightened at the prospect of twins. When we were actually in that situation, with two average grade embryos, and were told that putting two back gave us the best chance of a single pregnancy, we went with it. If I had been younger the recommendation would have been different but at my age it's unlikely that both will have implanted. I've got a mental image of welly-clad embryos. Look, mn has come up special Scottish smileys just for you [bgrin]. We have been referring to ours as the Blobs, as that's what they looked like, but I guess we need an alternative name otherwise it sounds like I'm incubating something out of a horror movie [bhmm]

mrsden I imagine I should find out how many there are when i have the viability scan in a fortnight's time - that's assuming everything is still OK by then. I am on compulsive gusset watch. I realised yesterday they had only given me a progesterone prescription until the scan date and not beyond which doesn't fill me with confidence! Judging by the response I had from the nurses (pleased but surprised) i'm guessing they weren't expecting it to work either.

Joycep oh no, not the dreaded thrush... I sympathise. Could it be related to the anti-bs? I'm amazed the continual pessaries haven't left me in the same state. We have very similar stories and I do wonder whether the pH/ hidden infection question might be the answer. I think your outlook on IVF is very sensible and like your friend, it could just be that nature needs a bit of help.

Waves to all, hoping for a lovely relaxing Friday night for everyone. Gin enjoy the anti-TTC weekend and Buzzy I hope the evil migraine has gone in time for the weekend!

ThatWayMadnessLies · 30/11/2012 17:16

Evening everyone.

Not a long post as am out and about trying to Christmas shop scoffing coffee and muffins but I needed to pop on for a quick update from you all.

nelly that's brilliant news. Will definitely be thinking of you tomorrow. I thought that a big part of the 2 vs 1 debate had to do with diagnosis as well as age. With the endo they might recommend that I do two but because I'll be (just) under 35 they might say one Confused.

doll I really am so sorry. I still think you should confirm in another day or two with a proper test but totally understand that you have resigned yourself to it not having worked Sad

Thanks to joy and art for the alternative to OBEM. Also to rabbit and euro for reminding me to change the channel. I hadn't watched in ages but just couldn't stop myself Blush

2 weeks today until the lap. Feeling a bit detached about the whole thing. Will probably feel more real after my plead mission appointment on Thursday. Any suggestions for taking urine samplesin to hospital? Not sure what to put it in....

art what about Hamish or Dougal?

Waves to everybody else. Sorry for not name checking.

And just because it is st andrew's day and I am an honorary scot seeing as I've lved here for a decade, I shall sign off with a Scottish smiley [bgrin]

CritterPants · 30/11/2012 18:17

doll I'm so sorry. Your care throughout has been crap, and I'm really upset and annoyed on your behalf that you haven't been treated better. Ken sounds like a gem. It's totally shit that this didn't work. Sad I was hoping for better news for you - you so deserve it.

Sorry about the thrush joy - that is crap.

nelly amazing news. [bgrin] [bgrin] [bgrin] Three little Scottish embies! I love it. I did read somewhere that the total chance of pregnancy is the same if you transfer one, and then do a frozen embryo transfer later if that doesn't work, compared to transferring two in the first instance. For what it's worth, I think when it comes to my turn I will do one and then an FET if it doesn't work, and if that doesn't work, do a second fresh round with two. But that's all hypothetical and tbh if I only had one round of IVF paid for and/or was over 35 I'd do two.

madness step away from OBEM. I have done the same so I know how you feel!

buzzy I'm sorry your migraine is lingering.

free welcome back and glad that you had a good break from it all. I must say having a break from fertility treatment for the past few months has been nice.

artemis the blobs eh? What happened to Castor and Pollux? [bgrin] I guess they are too lofty as everyday nicknames. I am so happy for you - and rooting for the little one (or two) to stay safely stowed til August.

gin enjoy your boozy weekend! I have similar plans [bwink]

euro and mrsd I have had the same thoughts - and I think it's again, as someone else said upthread, because we have had so much time to think about it. Most people don't have the chance to sit around pondering the prospect of children for literally years before actually sprogging.

sarlat · 30/11/2012 18:36

Doll - sweetheart. I am very very sorry. I know you are a strong lady and already dusting yourself down but do be gentle with yourself for a few days. You have gone throught a big event with huge emotional investment. You will be ok, but big hugs.

Pout - oh heck. Why does everything come at once? I can understand the wobbles now you are at the top of the list - but this is a good thing. Sorry you missed out on the house - this means there is an even better one out there for you.

Madness - sorry about the one born programme - I do things like that, it's like picking at a scab so it never heals. Big hugs.

Nelly - that is great about 3 fertilised. Let the embryologists advise you about how many to put back. Very exciting.

Joy - sorry about thrush.

GinSoaked · 30/11/2012 18:37

Sorry another post and run from me!

nellie Sooo pleased about your embies. Was that icsi? I never wanted twins (mainly cos we couldnt afford childcare x2) and was all for just 1 until I saw the live birth rates for DET vs SET. I pretty quickly changed my mind! The embryologist recommended DET both times. Dr doom & gloom wasn't so keen this time cos of the ohss risk, but he admitted that of the small % of it working it would be a 25% chance of twins 75% single with our embies. He also said twins were more likely if I were older...

Hope that helps! Fx you have something to freeze too.

Big hugs to doll. Your post made me sad. I hope ken is taking care of you and yes, day 14 could well be too early.

Yay Friday evening at last!

sarlat · 30/11/2012 19:14

Madness - I had the urine container thing dilema too. Got one from the GP in the end. I will be thinking about you lots over the next couple of weeks. I think you are brilliantly positive about everything. You should be very proud of yourself.

Art - don't worry about the short prescription, that will be standard. In a few months you will have your very very special babie[s] in your arms. Stay positive and focus on your goal. I can understand the knicker checking. Still holding you hand honey.

Joy - horray for getting the lumps sorted out. You have had your fair share of medical interventions just recently. I think 2013 may be a turning point for you.

Gin, Rabbit and Cosmos - Your weekends sound fab. Have lots of mulled wine and fun.

Hi to Critter, Buzz, Den, Freedom and anyone else I have missed.

MuddyWellyNelly · 30/11/2012 22:02

MrsDen I am glad my essay on EC has reassured you a little. In the interests of full disclosure, after I wrote that last night, I got up from my lazing about on the sofa and felt really sore. I have concluded that they gave me painkillers in the sedative yesterday; that I did a bit too much of hobble stuff, and it made me sore later. I just took a painkiller before bed, slept fine and have been fine today.

I'm glad you are getting the lump out joy. You don't need that on top of TTC woes.

Gin no it was regular IVF. No issues with Mr Nelly's swimmers so no reason to go for ICSI. I think we are pretty much decided on DET. If we end up with one to freeze as well that would literally be so far beyond my expectations as for me to wonder if I'm actually dead and now just dreaming. Well who cares, being dead seems fine so far [bwink].

Critter the issue with what you suggest is that we don't know if the embryos will survive freezing or even get to that stage. So if we only had one put back, as we are doing it at day 2, we might end up with none to freeze. I think this is much less of an issue if you get loads of eggs.

Doll I so hope it was just too early. But I understand how sometimes that's not helpful to think that way. Sending you lots of St Andrews day Scottish love [bsmile]

OK need to go to sleep as a lot to do before we go across for ET tomorrow. Will let you all know what we decide, assuming we still have more than 1 left!

Sorry for missing so many of you out. I know I've said it already but you are all the most supportive lovely bunch of ladies I've ever come across. I will imagine you all with me as I sit with my legs in stirrups tomorrow [bgrin]. Now that's an image none of you need I'm sure....

akuabadoll · 01/12/2012 06:07

Grin nelly good luck today. X

sarlat · 01/12/2012 10:05

Just a quick post to say

Nelly - good luck for today. Keep tightly hold of that positive feeling. I am looking forward to your next report.

Doll -I hope you are feeling ok? You are not alone in this. I hope you have some nice things planned this weekend.

Joy - I was thinking that the thrush is a bastard but shows how well those antibiotics have worked. Anything else feel different this month?

I finally got a copy of my HSG report this morning. I feel weirdly better for having read it for myself. It does describe tubal damage but I am not yet 100% convinced about the extent. Maybe I am kidding myself though. I have opened a new thread about HSG results if anyone wants to have a read called 'calling HSG experts' (although it is not that interesting I know).

Have a good weekend everyone.