Fantastic 40+ Thread - Part Eight.

[goldengirl71]

"Come on ovaries! Let's get this party started, yeah?"

Sorry about AF, Remnant. Turn on your CBFM and soon you'll be having SWI.

Calibee, sounds liked your AF is like that because it has been induced by the provera(is that what it's called?). Have you had day three tests?I am no doctor, but it may be that your estrogen is a little low, and that's why you ovulate late? But I suppose using the clomid will sort that out?

If I were you, I would definitely start the clomid, mainly to get your body ovulating,so that you can track your cycle and hopefully have all your ducks in a row when your DH gets home.I am sure the follicle tracking scan can tell you exactly what's going on in there. Best of luck

Jbrd, you are just a couple of days ahead on me. How about we both get a BFP this time? We will be able to celebrate together.That crampy feeling you are getting could be due to implantation and general womb stretching.I had that "AF is imminent" feeling with past pregnancies.

My temp dropped a bit today, so not doing cartwheels here. It is early days yet.

Thanks for your kind thoughts, Tina about the cbfm. This will be the third one I have bought! The first time I bought it new from the U.S and spent close to $300. The second time I bought one from ebay at a bit less. At least I was able to sell them again on ebay and get some of the money back. The biggest problem is that I can't buy the sticks in Oz and have to get them sent from the UK. They are reasonably priced on ebay,compared to amazon.But it is a big expense if you do it month after month.

However, I am coming around to thinking I'm going to throw everything at ttc until about January. I have moved the goal posts so many times. I remember saying I would stop all this nonsense when I turned 45, and here I am,46 and still doing it. I suppose there is no harm to have a low key approach and give up all the timing sex, temping etc, and see what happens. Which is probably what I'll do, but until January, I think I'm going to give it a good go, possibly even throw some clomid at it,and see what happens, then let it goIt's just so hard to let go of this dream.

Sending out a big hello to :
woolywomble
sparklysapphire
Miasmummy
Gothinrecovery
123littlepigs
wylie
Angelgeorgie
Italian
Hippy
notsoold
Irishmammy
Lolfactor
Fireflies
catdoctor
lotsofcheese

and anyone else I might have missed. If you are lurking, drop into the snug and say hello!

Hi, I've a pile of ironing to do before I go to bed but was so impressed by you remembering everyone's names hopeful I just had to post and say hello!
What time is it with you when you post late at night here? I have a good friend who moved to Australia and lives in Secret Harbour and I can never remember when is a good time to phone, lucky we have email! I'd love to go over and visit her sometime.
Well done on securing your cbfm. I think you're right to use any tools you can to maximize your chances, even though I admire anyone who can take a low key approach to ttc, I feel for myself at my age it's good to have the backup of a scientific approach.
I'm on d14 now of my 4th cycle(ever!) of ttc(2nd since last miscarriage), I used opk tests this time, got a definite neg on d12,stronger line on d13 and a positive this morning, ewcm (I think) for the last few days, dtd d11,13 and 14.
I suppose I wont know for a few d from temps if I ovulated today but fingers crossed(because DH is getting a bit tired!).
I'll have to read back over the thread to catch up with everyone but wanted to say CaliBee that I hope things settle down for you at work. Is there any chance if you start your Clomid you could meet your DP for a few hours at the right time if he was free???
Goldengirl sorry your DP has been having a tough time but glad you had a good day out, sometimes it's nice just taking some time out as a couple and just having some fun.
Diege that bug sounded nasty, glad you're on the mend now.
Hi to everyone else, I really have to iron school uniforms now!

Hello all. I'm still lurking.... No idea what's going on re cycles. Usually ov day 15-17 but things pointing to day 10 this time. May have missed it.
Hope all well.

Irishmammybread I live in Secret Harbour too!

Irish. When it is late at night for you, it is usually early in the morning when I am posting. I get up around 6 and usually pop onto mumsnet while I have a cup of tea.

I think you are seven hours behind?

I am work, so have to run.

Morning all
Irish Oh if only (I could meet OH for a few hours) ....unfortunately until at least week 12 of basic training they are allowed no freedom atall. They are not allowed out of the building without the corporal and have to march everywhere......sniggers.
I have made the decision to start the comid tomorrow (counting it as proper cd2) at least I can see if the dose is correct and if it actually works for me.
So I had a grovelling apology from the chief pharmacist at work yesterday. She even tried to hug me. My diversion tactics were second to none. It seems I'm not the only member of staff to have made mistakes under the pressure...it has come to light that several were made in the week I was off at the end of October. I have an appointment booked with HR and Occupational health next week, which I informed said Chief Pharmacist of. Her face was a picture. I will enjoy the forning and general appreciative behaviour coming my way in the next few days....I will NOT however cancel that appointment!!!! A mouth full of ulcers, a coldsore and general feeling of nastiness can not be forgiven lol.

I forgot to report...my home AMH came back at

hopeful sorry I missed your post. Thanks for your thoughts. I had day 3 tests back in the summer. Not sure I had Estrogen done though. Suffice to say FSH was high...20.1...eeek.

Hi everyone, thanks for remembering us all Gum! I have been lurking - I always check in each day to see how you're all doing! Golden - you're quiet at the moment, where are you??

I finally got my first AF after mc and about to start ttc with a vengeance now. I'm trying to warn DH that he needs to be on top form next week, but he thinks I'm ott, considering we've never really planned before - he still thinks dtd once a week will suffice and if it's meant to be it will be. He is stressing me out, as he says he is happy to try again in theory but doesn't seem very willing in practice!

Have started taking Pregnacare vitamin tablets and have noticed a startling side-effect of luminous neon yellow wee, any one else on these?

Morning all! Quick post, I'm at work and shouldn't really be on MN... But this week's pretty much shot for me anyway, I've been off sick most of it, so can't muster much motivation for the remaining 2 days, which I work half days only anyway. However, I do need to prepare a meeting for Monday morning (I hate Monday morning meetings, that is not how you should start the week - esp when it's me who's in charge of organising it)

gum - yes, let's get ourselves a BFP this time, I like that idea! It's good to have a plan, good luck.

woolly - good luck with focussed ttc, your DH won't know what hit him . I'm taking Mother-to-be vitamins/folic acid, and haven't noticed any change in wee colour. Are the Pregnacare pills very large as well? Each morning I am thankful that I don't have any issues with taking pills of any size, because these ones are gigantic!

I have made a resolution - if/when af arrives this time, I will a) get myself a cbfm and b) make an appointment with my GP to start discussing my efforts with ttc, any potential issues that might be lurking in the background and how to improve my chances.
I don't think I'm ready for any drastic measures yet, but I have difinitively noticed that my cycles are shorter compared to before I had DS. That and the fact that it took 8 months to conceive him at the time. I just want to make sure that if there is anything remotely not as it should be, it gets picked up as early as possible.

I'm dreading getting my GP practice, though - they are a nightmare to get an appointment with, and tend to be rather hesitant when it comes to doing any check-ups and tests.
What do you reckon - do I go straight to the GP, or rather the nurse/physician assistant, or whatever they are called - who usually deal with the 'female' problems? I'd prefer to go straight to the GP, but it's usually a lot easier to get an appointment with the nurse.

Jbrd, I think I'd want to talk to the GP.Especially if you need a referral to see a specialist (you call them "consultants" I think). In Oz we have to have a referral from the GP to see a specialist. Looking back I wish I could have done something sooner about ttc, but it was an uphill battle,waiting to ovulate because I was breastfeeding, and then,my DH was not at all interested in having another baby. Every time I got pregnant he just accepted it as a fate accompli (spelling??), but when I was referred to a fertility clinic after my second miscarriage he wouldn't support me at all, so I cancelled my appointment. In a way I'm glad I didn't go and see the specialist,as I think he(the doc) would have been negative and suggested donor eggs, and how on earth would I have gotten my DH to agree to that.ImpossibleBut, in your position I'd definitely give it a go.

Calibee, are you taking the DHEA everyday?And what dosage? I've been taking it, 50mg a day up until ovulation, but then I stopped,as I worried what it might do if I conceived. Did the fertility counselor say to take it everyday,even after you've ovulated (if you had been having sex)? I'm not sure whether to take it all cycle.

womble, I'm glad you dropped in. My pee is always glowing bright green with all the vitamins and supplements I take. I think the B vitamins might be the culprits for the green/yellow wee.

It's dinner time here and my DD is cooking for us.It's lovely.I had a rough day, so it's nce to have someone else cook.

I found out today that my childcare fees have gone up $20 a week.Bloody hell, I just can't seem to catch a break financially. Then got home to a stack of bills in the mail.

S'pose it would help if I didn't spend a small fortune on supplements, CBFM and sticks, opks,acupuncture,preg tests...My Dh will have a bloody heart attack if I do turn out to be pregnant this month.He stresses out about money big time,and at the moment things are quite tightThe thought of me having time off for maternity leave will make him crazyBut I don't care.I'd love another baby!

Jbrd, I too would go straight to the GP, as Gum says, only they will be in a position to refer you if that's the next step - gets you into the 'system' quicker. Glad to hear your tablets are huge too - mine are the size of small bars of soap, they make my eyes water!

Gum, thanks for sharing, feel a bit less concerned now - only on here could you compare wee with total strangers!! Our financial situation is a bit shaky too - both self-employed, car on its last legs, furnishing rather moth-eaten, last holiday was camping in the British rain, but I don't care either, we'd manage. I'd choose a baby over a new sofa any day!

hopeful I took DHEA the 7Keto ones, from early summer after finding out about my very low amh..high fsh results. However it coincided with the first of my very long cycles so I ditched them. I am back to it again now though...hopefully the clomid will sort out cycles. I think the optimum dose is 25mg three times a day, however Ive not heard about it only being taken for part of the month.....if you know of anything, please let me know. The fertility councellor said that many consultants were now pushing it. Personally I dont believe that anything can improve the quality of an already formed egg but if there's even a grain of truth in it I'm prepared to give it a go lol.

I took DHEA as a supplement, not TC, as was in my late 50s, but to strengthen me up, as was becoming weaker in my muscles. I took only 5 mg and my calves quickly bulked up. I thought it was Testosteron. I decided to double the dose to 10mg, but I put too much of weight on and suddenly one breast was hurting and lumpy.

Went back on net to find any side effects and found that if a male it will turn into testosterone but if female will turn into oestragen and side effects were excess oestragen, hence my lumpy painful breasts and weight gain ?? As also on HRT.

Was worried at reading someone taking 50 mgs per day to aid TTC. Has this been prescribed/advised by Doc? Please be careful and good luck

www.manchesterfertility.com/patients/page/poor-ovarian-reserve-dhea/

www.manchesterfertility.com/patients/page/poor-ovarian-reserve-dhea/

before panic sets in.

Hi hopeful, hippy, deige, italian(if you are still here lurking), and anyone else who remembers me. Just popping in to find out how everyone is doing. I am doing well, although peri-menopause is starting to have an effect on me. Hormones are all out of whaack and having horrible short cycles with heavy periods and major pmt symptoms, not fun. However fortunately since the last miscarriage at the start of this year, I have not been pregnant again and consequently mentally I am feeling in a much better place about not having another baby.

Hi galwaygal, I have often wondered how you are.I am sorry about your miscarriage, but glad to hear you are feeling better about not having another baby. I wish you well, whatever happens.

Calibee, I've just done a search on the net and it seems it is fine to take the DHEA in the 2ww,and that usually it takes four straight months of taking it to have an effect on egg quality. I keep reading about how it also helps lower your risk of miscarriage, so I'm going to take it religiously until I get a BFP!

Just wanted to add a couple more feel-good stories. I was reading a magazine last night and read about Antonia Kidman (Nicole's sister), who has 5 kids, youngest is two,and is now pregnant with number 6 at the ripe old age of 42. I don't know if she had fertility treatment, I'm willing to believe it was all natural I also read about one of the Bond girls from the 70's-Britt Ekland- who is now 70 and was talking about her 24 year old son.That means she had him at 46. Of course I don't know if she had IVF.It is possible. I still feel buoyed by hearing of women having babies in their 40's no matter what the situation.

My temps aren't looking very good this cycle.Last months temps were much higher, but I wasn't pregnant,so I shouldn't fret. Also compared to my pregnancy charts, the temps are very similar. It will be more interesting next week to see what they do.

Golden, you have been quiet.Is everything alright?

Hello all. I do lurk occasionally, but don't feel I can add much to the conversations - except perhaps a bit of hope. Now 37 weeks at the age of 42, naturally conceived. MrMia says I look like I have swallowed a beach ball!! (but from the back, you wouldn't know.) ELCS booked, but keeping the date a secret, although I feel that baby might want to decide its own birthday and arrive sooner. Keeping busy with Mia's Wood plans and working with two other bereaved mothers to become involved with the hospital to improve paediatric care as well as communications with bereaved families, as well as trying to make our freezing house airtight with loft insulation, curtains and secondary glazing - all before the whole family arrives for Christmas... As trying to find a way to say no to the first piece of paid work in ages, as it was a feasible project 6 weeks ago, but it stalled and now they want me to get involved again and deliver a heap of work over the next two weeks. Life is not dull.

Hello . Great to hear from a few of the 'oldie' oldies . I've also been wondering about how Italian is getting on with the adoption process - please pop in and say hello if you are lurking
Well I've had a small dilemma that I think I had solved. Had a colposcopy booked for Tuesday (at my request - my last smear was normal but identified I was hpv pos with a 'dangerous' strain - they said have a repeat smear in May, I panicked and requested it be brought forward 6 mths). Now of course I'm thinking, no, give me until my 43rd birthday (May) to give this ttc lark my best chance, without the threat of biopsies/borderline smears in the back of my mind. So I'm going to ring up and move to May. Does that sound reasonable? The original appointment was May, so not going against medical advice. The hpv has been with me years, not a recent thing, and in hindsight has accounted for my abnormal (then back to normal) smears over the years.
I have also been inspired by all this supplement talk and will start (come pay day) with some good quality supplements - vit B complex, extra folic acid, and dare I say it 25mg of DHEA 3 times a day.
Still waiting for pos opk, but no luck, plus temps are low. Dh has therefore had 2 'freebies' this week . Cd 14 today, so aiming to dtd tomorrow night...the one night in literally 8 years when I am out with friends...still, there's time when I get back.
We (all of us here) are going to have an Indian themed bistro tonight, so get your order in fast!

Meant to add Gum that I am off to google the news about Nicole's sister . Very inspiring stuff!

Oh yum, yum! I would love a kashmiri lamb,some naan bread and all the trimmings. I'll have a mango lassi too.

To be honest,I actually don't think I could go a mango "lassi"(is that what it's called - you know a smoothy thingo with yoghurt?). I am,again,feeling a bit off this evening. Golden would give me a good hard slap for saying this, but it is a symptom I have when I'm pregnant. I feel "off" in the evenings and have a funny taste in my mouth. Is it hcg or progesterone that causes pregnancy symptoms? I'm using a progesterone cream (despite reports that it doesn't deliver much in the way of progesterone to the body),so perhaps that is causing symptoms.

It remains to be seen, but honestly,I do have a good feeling about this month.It remains to be seen. I am only 7DPO, so I have a few days before I test.

Deige,I think your way of thinking about the colposcopy makes sense.I would do what you are planning to do,if it were me.In fact,I am supposed to have a smear on Monday, but if I get a + htp (will test that morning,in case),I won't be having the smear. I know it is supposed to be harmless, but after three miscarriages I will be paranoid about everything.

Just been talking to DH.He is stressing out hugely about money at the moment. It's really starting to worry him that we live from payday to payday. I don't like it either, but I don't feel there's much I can do about it. I'll be keeping schtum about any + htp if I get one.At least for a little while...

Gum, I think we must be married to the same man. I was wondering where he was popping off to (by supersonic jet obviously ). Dh is having the 'pay day to pay day - we've got no savings -' panic at the moment. I think we're both incredibly lucky to have stable, professional jobs, and tell him that, but he does worry.
I'm thinking it does indeed sound v.pos for you this month - how wonderful would that be!. How are your temps? Btw it's hcg, not the progesterone that causes the sickness..though I think there is one preg symptom that progesterone mimics?. So look forward to hearing about your testing tomorrow Thanks for support on colp too - if they had set the nov date I would have felt differently I think. As it is I will have to ring up and use the usual 'my period has just arrived, darn it' excuse . I too would do as you may be doing re: your smear.
Right, better get the curry order processed - am having tikka masala with naan in reality tonight, Mmmm.

Hi all.
Miasmum ,hope you're not overdoing things, you sound really busy! How many people will you have staying with you at Christmas? You should have lots of help with little one anyway! Look after yourself. x
Woolly ,I'm on Pregnacare Conception too and yes, one of the side effects is bright yellow wee! (nice!)
I also have a DH who thinks if it's meant to be that we'll just have a baby, I don't think it helps that our first 4 pregnancies weren't exactly planned! He doesn't like to think about timings/ovulation etc ,he thinks it spoils the spontanaeity,so I monitor all that and just happen to be spontaneous quite a lot at certain times of the month without discussing it!
My temp doesn't seem to be going up much and I'm on cd16 now but I really thought I had ovulated when my Duofertility monitor indicated I was likely to,on cd14. I had quite a lot of excm for a few days that stopped yesterday. I suppose I'll just have to wait and see what happens in the next few days.
Diege ,sounds like a plan to postpone the coloscopy.
I was due a smear test when I found out I was pregnant in Feb, when I miscarried I was told to come back in July unless I was pregnant again, which I was, so I suppose I should reschedule. I think they said to wait 3 mths after a miscarriage so that would be next month. I know midcycle is best but does anyone know when is recommended if you're ttc, is before ovulation best?
Hopeful ,those signs sound, well, hopeful!
Galwaygal ,glad to hear you're in a good place at the moment and have some peace of mind.

Watching Children in Need,presented by a very pregnant(but still glamorous, grrr!) Fearne Cotton with dd2 who has just turned to me and said "Well I think now we know who's eaten all the pies"!

Irish - I have to say she is sporting a pretty impressive bump!
Re: your ovulation, could it be possible that your body was gearing up to ovulate and then didn't? Therefore may happen later than ususal this month? I know this is possible only from my Toni whats-her-name book, but in all honesty, the more I read, the more I realise how little we really know about what goes on in there.
Going to risk series 2 of walking dead....the risk being that one of the dcs will come down at a gruesome bit...
Love to all, xxx