TTC Super Ovulation part 3

[Arianrhod]

Hey ladies -

There are a few of us who are ttc after mc's, however there will be ladies out there who are also ttc for the first time or second or third without success. If anyone is on, considering or had success on a super ovulation programme then do join us. How long did it take ? Did you try IUI with it.. ? Did you have PCOS?

Kicking this off and hoping some of you will join....

part 1 here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1385998-TTC-Super-Ovulation

Part 2 here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1475108-TTC-Super-Ovulation-part-2?pg=1

Hope everyone finds this :)

Apologies if anyone got a PM twice from me with the new thread, and equally if you didn't get one - my PM system threw a bit of a wobbly and was refusing to give me a 'send' button some of the time!

Technology ... sigh ... remind me again why I work in IT? :)

marking my place.. thanks Ari

Thanks ari just saying I've found the thread. I got one email so it worked ok! Hope you're doing ok.

Hello to everyone else too x

Hi all and thanks for starting the new thread Ari.

Hope everyone is ok on this miserable Monday!

Thanks ari, well I need gonal f 75 for day 2-7 then a scan. She said shed fax the script over as its cheaper but not sure who too or what it will cost!! Yikes. Back to opk for me this month and then guess pred!! Would it hurt to take it if not yet ovulated?? X

Just marking my place. Thanks for starting the new thread Ari.

mel They fax it to Central Homecare who will then ring you to arrange delivery. They charge £90 if you're just getting gonal-f, £110 if you're getting Ovitrelle as well. And did they say you have to inject days 2 to 7? Interesting - I do mine days 2, 4, 6 and 8 but with Letrozole days 2 to 6 as well. Are you going to just be on gonal-f on its own?

Thanks Hun yes their was no Letrozole as well mentioned. What is the difference between the two? Why are you on both? X

Thanks Ari

How is everyone today

Isaw mr s yesterday and he's definitely lost weight! I'm now on the super ovulation programme. He's also ordered some bloods. Sorry to hear both Ari and Mollies news. Fingers crossed this works
Ari thanks for starting the new thread.

mel I'm on both because ... erm ... Mr S told me to? :) No, it was because although I did respond on Letrozole alone it varied from month to month; one month I got two good sized follies, the next just one. They're both ovarian stimulants but they work in different ways. On the Letrozole alone only my left ovary produced any eggs, the right nothing. On the combination of Letrozole and gonal-f both ovaries produce eggs. Mr S will put you on whichever combination of medication he believes will get the best response out of your body. Remember it takes a few cycles to get the best adjustment of medication for you, hence why they say they get the most pregnancies out of cycles 5-6 - by then, they should have worked out what combination gets the best response.

holl Welcome to SO :)

Thanks ari x

Hi Holl wishing you lots of luck with the super ov programme and welcome to the thread.

How are you doing Ari? I bet you have been in research mode, hope you have found some useful info and are feeling ok.

How are you feeling Duggs, are you planning to see out your six months of super ov or do you think you will go for more ivf? Can't believe I only have one more round of super ov and then it's big pay out for ivf..,,.

Has gone v quiet on here over the last few days.

Waves to everyone else.

Hey guys... pebbles I'm going for my 4th or 2nd ( depending on if u discount pre infections back in feb time or not SO round. Last month was tough not sure i can handle another failed IVF or FET cycle so soon. Didn't realise just how much a failed FET would hurt. It's just as bad somehow. Anyway off for my mid cycle scan on Friday at NLC. How r others? Looking forward to our meet up in a few weeks.

Thank you for the welcomes, I'm going to be on a little break before I start - partner away.
Sorry duggs - Its so frustrating when these things fail. Fingers crossed for this SO cycle.
Has Mr S done amh's on you? He has requested this for me plus some basics not done before.
How have you all found taking the letrozole? I tried clomid last month and I did not like the side effects.
Fingers crossed for all x x

Hi all
welcome holl. Letrozole was fine Hun no side effects! Except I get spots?!
Im getting a line on my opk so hoping I've not ovulated yet and those follies have grown!! I need to see mr s for my next scan which I hope is in half term!! Gonal f is on its way.
Duggs I'm so gutted for you xx

Hi ladies

duggs I think any IVF failure is so very hard, considering you're doing the majority of Nature's work for her, you feel that all your body has to do is get the egg to implant and if it doesn't, it's almost like a double blow. Let's hope that SO has the answer for you finally. Good luck with the scan on Friday - are you on just Letrozole, I forget?

pebbles Don't forget what happened with abney - she did 6 rounds of SO, nothing doing, then her first TTC after being off SO she got happily pregnant. The body works in mysterious ways!

holl Letrozole had very little effect on me, other than making me get days of spotting long after AF ended and I think IIRC it makes me a bit hot at night, but that's about it, no real problems.

Me ... well still very deflated by the whole thing and still wondering where we go from here, if anywhere. OH says to wait and see what Mr S says ... but I got an email yesterday from Cheryl saying Mr S has had a quick look at my results and says there is a "slight problem" but will discuss in detail when I see him. A "slight problem"? I think he's completely discounting the LAD results, and just looking at the DQa match. I'd have said even that, with a 50% chance that any embryo we produce is identical to me, is a bit more than a "slight" problem, but maybe I'm just thick.

I've pretty much decided LIT is out of the question - I know it's a heck of a lot cheaper to have them done in Athens (something like £400 compared to £1500 here) but I don't know if I can face all the hassle, let alone the cost (by the time you've added in air fares, etc). And I don't think OH is keen on throwing yet more money at something that may or may not help anyway.

Mind you .. I've had a doh! moment this week. If anyone else is also taking agnus castus (as I have been for the past year), I just discovered that it counterreacts with Letrozole, gonal-f, and anything else that attempts to raise your FSH/oestrogen etc. Agnus castus works to balance your hormones, reduce FSH and oestrogen, promote progesterone etc. You can see where I'm coming from here already, can't you? Fantastic for sorting out your cycle and hormones, but if you're trying to increase certain hormones (as do Letrozole and gonal-f) it's quite probably the last thing you need! So I've stopped taking it for the moment, bit of a pain if it isn't having a detrimental effect on the Letrozole etc as it takes 3 months to build up in your system.

And incidentally I'm exploring soy isoflavones, which is supposedly a natural version of clomid but without the side effects. I may try it out for a couple of cycles once I'm no longer on SO, it certainly can't make things any worse, since it seems to do much the same thing as Letrozole. Can't take Agnus Castus with that either, obviously!

/waves to everyone

Understand exactly how you feel Duggs re the ivf. You go through all the drug taking and injecting, feeling like crap with migraines during down regulation. The long journeys to the clinic for all the scans etc before work and is gutting when it is all for nothing. I remember thinking thank god after my first round resulted in a positive that it hadn't been for nothing only for it to turn into a chemical. Sending you a big hug and make sure you indulge in some vino!!

Holl generally letrezole was fine but one month had horrendous headaches that nothing would shift and some night sweats.

Ari you certainly have a lot to take on board but wait and see what Mr S says about it all. Have been thinking of you and hope you are indulging in anything that makes you feel better.

Interesting about the Angus cactus, has made me wonder if taking the starflower caused my bad follie result this month as previously have always had at least three and have over stimulated if anything. How annoying that I may have caused it to happen, think I will stop taking it!!

hey ladies.. this thread dropped off my watch list for some reason.
How is everyone ?

I had my 5th SO scan on Friday at NLC and only had one follicle.. not sure why...again like u pebbles started taking starflower oil this cycle doesn't seem to mix well perhaps?

Dr S said he'd put me onto 7.5mg letrozole for my 6th cycle in November.
I havn't bothered to update him on anything as I just need him for SO for now.

Big sigh.. oh well... whatever.

Who is left on this thread still ttc on SO programme ?

Hi - I dropped off the thread too, there was clearly a blip as lots of us have not posted for a few days.

I have done one round of SO, conceived and mc'd. We are trying naturally for 2-3 months before we go back on it - largely down to financial reasons, but also trying to minimise visits to the clinic as it's so hard to come up with excuses to keep disappearing from work. xx

I am also still here. Tend to not post much because feel everyone else other than a few seem to start Mr S programme and then it is BFP. Whereas I am no further on than I was over a year ago. Anyway my DH says in Nov if no luck we can go and see Mr G. I suspect that I will be like duggs and ari and must have something else wrong so am not wasting more money having some time out of doing SO till get to see MrG to see if that gives us answers.

Am hearing you loud and clear lemon think the ethical thing would be a warning - you'll be pregnant within 6 month if not probably worth getting checked for further tests - he just happily takes our £ each month. Hoping it doesn't come to that but moving forward with answers is better than hitting your head against the wall each month...

ari forgot to say I discovered soy isoflavones before all this dr s cr*p and am sure it was really helpful in regulating cycles. I only have one more SO cycle after this one so might have to research them again. . Def worth a shot if not on SO..

Hi ladies .. yes, still here, although not doing much this cycle due to MC.

duggs Sorry to hear about your scan but do remember that it only takes one follie, right?

lemon I'm hearing you - how many SO cycles have you done so far? I know they say most ladies that are going to, get pregnant on cycles 5-6 of SO but as you say, there may be other factors at work.

LJ Can't you just say you have a medical appt? That's what I do - you aren't obliged to go into details :)

duggs Well I took the soy isoflavones day 3-7 (now day 9) and I don't know about anything else but it's the first time in weeks I have slept like a log (most people seem to take them at night). I have had definite twinges in the ovary areas, don't know if that's coincidence but I don't usually at this time of the month, so I don't know if it's doing anything or not. TBH the only reason I took them now is that I seem to have delayed ov the cycle following any kind of miscarriage (from the usual CD14 to CD18), whether 'chemical' or otherwise, and I wanted to see if SI would do anything about that. I'm back to tracking ov via my Clearblue monitor, so I'll see what happens. Plus OH is away for a week from CD14 this month, so if SI doesn't bring my ov back to normal then this is a wasted cycle anyway.

Seeing Mr S on Wednesday afternoon for 'post-MC' consultation (and results from LAD/DQa blood tests, which I already have of course), not that I'm expecting anything new out of that, and then presumably my last SO cycle. Not expecting anything out of that either, to be frank. OH wants me to ask Mr S if there's any point us carrying on TTC, with so much against us. I'm half expecting the IVF speech again.

/waves to everyone