TTC for 10+ months, part 10

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A very friendly and supportive thread for those taking way longer than they had ever expected to make a baby.

artemis at every other day, we've never done that!! Mr B would refuse, way too much stress, might be fun for a month but after that well Glad you've had a talk though

rabbit according to my ledger, I ovulated late and got up diffed twice cd 18 and CD16, as long as you have a 10 day lp. I used to ov late but then miscarriges and steroids means I ov cd12
Its hard when you read things online but these are people who go by what should be the normal perfect cycle which a majority of women have. So are you red or blue then :)

Critter I was also at the pelvic floor thingy do dah. Before ttc, all ttc equipment was unknown to me. I had a vague fuzzy awareness but little clue really. Now, all mum equipment is like stuff for other people (nipple balm, incontinence pads). One day we will all understand it and think wistfully of our ignorant, perfect toned fanny ways

With no ewcm at cd 13 I'm unlikely to ov before day 18 as I get 4-5 days of the stuff shedloads of it, but it appears to only drown the sperm. Buzzy thank you for the day18 positive thoughts. I wasn't sure if it was possible as have been brainwashed by evil Internet demons.

critter sorry x posts, did they call you?? I'm also going on the 13th so will hopefully see euro there, I'm going to make my appointment for after that, still looking at other places and costs, I really want to have some frosties to try with as a second fresh ivf is really out of the question. That I think is one of my biggest fears

rabbit its frustrating not knowing what is going on inside

buzzy they did call, apparently my oestrogen level has gone up to 455 whatever that means - but they said that things were happening and that I should keep on with the shots of 112.5 gonal f tonight and tomorrow night, and show up on Wednesday for another scan to see if I'm ready to trigger. Definitely worth you trying to get some frosties as I hear that IVF is often a 3 step process - you do hear of it taking a few tries sometimes, but I know that you don't have the luxury of that not being a problem. Can I just tell you again how brilliant you are for getting all these appointments and tests sorted? You are. Charlie would be proud.

rabbit if my calculations are correct, I have never ovulated before CD18 at the very earliest, even as an 18 year old whipper snapper with (presumably) shiny, non-hardboiled eggs, and I bet if I'd been careless with my horrible university boyfriend I could have got updiffed, pre pill. So I reckon a later ovulation is fine.

at 'ignorant perfectly toned fanny ways'

rabbit I also have only just started having tummy rumblings at CD14. I am normally done by CD13. This is the first month I've had acu so can only conclude it's done something - and as early OV hasn't helped me in the last 2 years, maybe later OV is the answer for us?

Glad to see you feeling a bit more chipper buzzy. I'd be surprised if any clinic suggested DE at first attempt, as you don't really know how you will respond until you do it (conscious though of what you've said about cost restrictions). One thing perhaps to bear in mind is there isn't such a time constraint on DE. So is it something you'd be able to save for? I realise that's maybe a very big ask given your current situation (any news from Mr B?) and like others have said, it sucks so much that at the end of the day it's coming down to money. Big hugs for you.

critter and euro I love the transatlantic meet .

Right, bed time, we are doing EOD this cycle as bossed about suggested by my woo lady.

Oh - I got my first ever 2 lines on a stick today . I was ridiculously happy about this, even if they were just cheapy OPKs. Now at least I know what the line is meant to look like on those useless broken batch of HPTs they sent me last time .

You lot chat soooo much!

Glad to hear you're feeling a bit better buzzy. And well done for booking in appointments, getting tests done and the possible change in position, will keep everything crossed for a YES from your boss as well as good appointments.

OMG joy you really have drawn the short straw re: family and nosiness and rudeness. I am so cross on your behalf! We have had boxes of hormones in the fridge since the beginning of August (as I didn't finish all the m-enopur) and regular doses of trigger since March. Very easy for any snooper to see, but not many people get a chance and mostly they are too sensible to comment. GRRRR.

Sorry about home sickness mrsd. And good to warn about differences, it is hard enough when you know what to expect.

YAY for critter and euro doing DC. That sounds lovely!

Sorry about changing cycles post-op, rabbit. It is all so confusing, isn't it? But good on you for fessing up about your secret obsession, goals like orgasms though On secrets, how's hobbling nelly?

at HSG mismanagement princess in the middle of non-TTC madness. Keeping everything crossed for a smooth move.

Right - big waves and cupcakes for the lovely rest of you. I have run out of steam. Things do indeed look a little brighter here, but not all the time. I panick a lot about the rest of my lining, which we saw on Friday (substantial amounts, I can tell you) that supposedly will leave me in the next week or so. And all I have is the most pathetic bit of brown gunk, not even worth a pad... And it needs to go, clear out and give me a chance to restart. I really want my cycle back, not necessarily to get back on the TTC horse, but to get passed the MC shit.

Princess - ooo how annoying about the chlamydia test prior to the HSG. I was told I had to have this plus swabs for other bacteria. It does make sense as you don't want any bugs being pushed through BUT it isn't acceptable to not inform you of everything properly. Good luck with the move. How exciting. Just help me re-cap here - you are moving out of city flat, then to the in-laws place for a bit and then in to the new house that you have being doing up with beautiful stone kitchen floor right?

Joyce - aaahh, you are a wise lady. Yes, I guess this cold (and the other one earlier this year) means NK cells can't be an issue. This is prob a good thing but then this also means I have to face up to other reasons for failed implantation. However, I am trying not to be too premature, it is only 12 dpo. Lack of cold for 7 years is amazing - if I were you I would be tempted to go and lick your germy colleagues dirty coffee cups. Heck - I get worse, I can't beleive I suggest these things sometimes. . Has your GP done the first set of immune testing for you?

Den - Are you really still waiting for the genetic test results? . I'm sorry you can't share with your parents about TTC but if they have their own health issues I can understand that you would feel reluctant to tell them - I would feel the same. I'm sure we can co-ordinate the next meet up for you and Rabbit and anyone else.

Critter - yay for follies making a break for it. Get guzzling that milk girl and whack out the salmon and egg butties! mmmm And talk to them, talk to them, talk to them! (the follies.....not the butties) ha ha at the pelvic toner -

Buzz - like others have said, well done you for moving things forward. It is essential in this game to move forward everything forward in your life, not just TTC issues. As we say in the NHS, you need to have a holistic attitude towards all of this. So the opportunity to do ward work sounds great (far more intersting in my opinion). I think you may be turning a corner. Go to Create with an open mind and open heart and try to meet up with Euro. And remember the Dr's DONT know everything.

Artemis - I'm so glad that you and Mr A got talking. I'm sure things are going to improve now, you know when you hit that shitty low point, the only way is up. I wouldn't overly worry about Mr A's alcohol assuming it isn't too excessive - I am assuming his SA has been ok? Maybe you could do a deal with him - drink alcohol moderatly but increase H20 intake 3 fold to counteract the effects and help the liver remove the alcohol toxins. But I'm sure you are right that if a medic says it, it might mean more. I have a good feeling for you two. Also, isn't high quality red wine not that bad for you?

Rabbit - you poor thing, gosh all you want to do is ovulate nicely - and . I wouldn't worry about slightly late ovulation meaning poor eggs. Tons of people get pregnant on long cycles, but I understand you want your body to work at optimum and in the way it use to pre-op. Now - I have no knowledge of your op etc but if it was similar to c-section in terms of the amount of surgery then I would assume they wouldn't expect post c-section ladie's periods to return to normal very quickly. I know they have a baby and the hormone issues which go along with that - but you get my drift that surly the surgery impacts on the recovary time. Have you ever had reflexology / acupuncture? Just wondering if they may help to regulate your cycles.

When you described your cycles rabbit, pre-op, they are spookily like mine in terms of 27-29 days with the odd longer one and ovulation pains. I too get loads of EWCM (which is a great sign of egg quality) and 4-5 days although sometimes even 7. I too have worried about drowning the sperm but I don't think this is actually true . I also have a tilted womb although now corrected by maya massage lady. I know it has moved back in to midline as whan they were scanning me for this transfer (over belly) the probe was sat centrally where last time they couldn't find it and then eventually found it over to the left . Anyhow, I guess I'm trying to say that you sound highly fertile but also like you have a sensitive body. Have faith (thanks Critter for these words to me). Trust your body and nurture it. It will get the rhythm back. I also find that weight loss / gain also interferes with my cycles slightly. And occasionally I have thought I was ovulating late due to delayed EWCM but actually ovulation came not long after EWCM started ifswim. Good luck. PS this is a football loving household too (more DH than me). Keep going to those matches - what a relief to shout and scream.

Nelly - wow at the 2 lines. I am doing the shakey bum fertile dance for you. OOOO I can feel the positivity spilling out of you. Maybe later ovulation makes your eggs more tendely cooked.

Lemon love - I remember the M/C brown gunk well. It reminded me of brown sauce - really sorry to anyone who loves a sausgae and brown sauce buttie. . Mine did seem to take 2-3 weeks to complete and was quite drip drip. But you were a tiny bit further on than me. I know you just want this over so you can start a fresh - big hugs and let me say once more how impressed I am by your positive and balanced attitude.

Well it's 12 dpo in the sarlat house, took a digital OPK this morning which said negative / BFN. Fish slaps self, and again, and again and once more for being a big knob head. Ok, so on reflection, I think I did feel the start of implantation with the shooty pain at 6 dpo and deeper implantation with funny low cramps at 9 dpo. But no more symptoms at all - the HCG should be in my system but can't feel anything. I must remember what everyone says about symptoms coming later - fish slaps self again.....and have nipped myself on the arm with the pelvic toner for extra punishment.

But, my sore throat has got worse - waaahhh. And this mornig I had a mini amount of ewcm stuff at the cervix with a teeny streak of brown stuff in it. I know I shouldn't be chcecking the cervix - slaps self once more.

Sarlat have a gentle fish slap... day 12 is too early to test . Fingers crossed for you, hang in there for another couple of days. I am sure the shakey bum fertile dance will help too When do you go for the blood test?

Nelly hurrah for the two lines! That's worthy of another feather shake

Critter you're right, we're not really strangers. Mr A got back from work early yesterday and I was annoyed because I wanted to hang out on here with my mates

Rabbit yes we should all make the most of our 'perfectly toned fanny ways' . I don't think later ov is too problematic as long as your luteal phase is OK, so ovulating on CD16 or 17 of a 30 day cycle would be about right I think? It is frustrating though when the interventions that are supposed to help actually make things worse. Clomid has properly buggered up my cycles. Before I was typically 29-30 days but my last three cycles have been 25, 30, 34 . I think the last cycle was anovulatory as AF has been so light, probably scuppered by having an interview, conference presentation and UTI all in the same week. We seem to be delicate creatures, the least thing will upset the balance. Having met you I am struggling to picture you screaming on the terraces. I've only been to one football match in my life (watching the 'other' reds and blues further west ) and I was terrified

Buzzy no EOD isn't feasible long term. Mr A developed a not-so-subtle habit of falling asleep on the couch at 8pm . I think Nelly has a good point about DE - something you don't have the same time limit on so could save for? I am hoping for frosties too. A friend was telling me that success rates for frosties are apparently better than with straight IVF, the theory being that the mother is less stressed. If that's really the case it made me wonder why they don't just freeze embryos straight away then do natural FET at a later stage.

Lemon you're doing brilliantly and the waiting for it all to be over is horrible. Better to wait it out though if you can, rather than have the horribly titled medical procedure to do it for you. Hugs and , or preferably

my news is... drumroll... I have finally, on my 4th attempt, managed to book the HSG... it's next Tuesday. I feel as though a weight has been lifted although I am terrified of the procedure. I told a small lie and moved CD1 forward a day so I will be CD11 and not CD10 but I don't see how that will make a difference. Phew. Mr A is going to come with me so i don't have to drive home.

Oh sar it's too early! I really hope that it's a false negative. A very gentle slap with a tiny non-stinky fish. I must admit I was a bit when you said about your uterus and the Mayan massage. It's definitely food for thought. Thank you for continuing to share this stuff.

lemon it's really crap how long these things take to come out. I remember praying for my next period just so that I could be reassured that everything was alright. The first time it took 6 weeks to come and the second, it came as it would have done if I hadn't been pregnant. You're doing so well.

rabbit I did at goals and orgasms. I'm not a footie fan but went to school with a couple of girls who were really passionate about it alongside their families. Sorry to hear you are having cycle woes. at toned fanny comment

artemis so glad that you and Mr A are able to talk about stuff and it's coming out into the open. I do think OHs suffer with feeling helpless and useless and just wanting to make everything better. Mr Princess really suffers with this. Could you compromise with the drinking, i.e. making him have a soft drink every other alcoholic drink? We don't really drink a lot anymore, Mr P will just have the occasional posh beer or IPA or two once or twice a week and I've made him up his water. There is a bit in the book that Joy posted about how to work out how much water (and they mean pure water not squash or tea or herbal tea) you need: you have to take your weight in pounds, divide by two and this gives you the number of fluid ounces you need to drink (16 ounces = 1 pint and 2.2 pints = 1 litre). This is how they work it out for people on drips in hospital apparently. I used to take a 2 litre bottle of water to work and make myself get through it each day. I would then keep the empty under my desk and fill it up first thing in the morning. That works quite well too.

nelly you are oozing positivity at the moment. It's great! So glad the woo is working out for you. And bloody brilliant news about the two lines on your OPK! It's a great feeling isn't it :)

critter woooohoooo those follies sound like they are playing nicely now. That's fantastic news you must be really pleased!

buzzy glad you are feeling better and calmer and that things are starting to go your way at work. I really hope you can find some peace in all of this.

joy I hadn't considered that colds = lower NK cells. I'm prone to bouts of flu and colds and sore throats and snivels and tooth infections quite regularly. Although all that has improved with the diet. So I'm guessing that my NK cells would probably be quite low? I don't like to think about it really. It's the next port of call next year if there's still nada.

Well I'm off to London tonight to celebrate my little bros 21st. God I wish I was 21 again. Anyway, I'm indulging in illicit steak and chips, red wine, cocktails and maybe even a pudding. Sure it's the 2ww. But as I have no expectations,no symptoms and I will have no guilt about indulging a little either :) I was very good last month at the family cels and felt miffed that I hadn't let my hair down a little bit more.

I know that the chlamydia test is important and just a precaution. I'm just miffed that they didn't tell me last week so that I could get it sorted. I went and had it done yesterday. Got into the nurses room and she asked why I was there and why I hadn't picked up a self test and I asked for a self test when I phoned up as instructed by the Consultants Secretary! ! I told the nurse how I had done this and she started to give me a lecture about how the receptionists aren't clinically trained staff (NSS!) and how I should have asked to speak to the nurse or get her to ring me back. I burst into tears because I'm so sick of being told that I'm doing the wrong thing, haven't asked the right questions, don't intrinsically know NHS protocol....It's their fault for not communicating properly. I'm just doing my best and trying to get everything sorted ASAP! Anyway, she was really lovely to me after that and let me get on with the test myself. I think I was just tired yesterday after a very hectic weekend and an unexpected long drive to take my brother back to college because the trains were cancelled on Sunday night. Much better today after a mega sleep.

Rights waves to everyone else. Have a great day. Feather shakes and knob waves! xx

X post Artemis great news about your HSG. I can't believe how long that's taken! I am scared too. You'll have to tell us all about it when you've had it done (unless it's scary and painful) and what it's like. I feel I can't complain because I asked for it and they told me that they think my tubes are patent. Think being the operative word!

artemis my HSG was 100% totally fine. Not sore or uncomfortable in any way. Hooray for booking . Interestingly on the IVF, woo lady reinforced how her job was to keep me calm so I sail through The process. She would agree we are so finely balanced creatures. So now I like to think of us as fine wines. You need to wait a bit longer and conditions need to be perfect, but when everything is just right, we will be top quality

sar I seem to have lost EWCM. Oh dear, does this mean my eggs are indeed fooked? Maybe rabbit can lend me some of hers. Def too early for testing. Fingers crossed for you.

I feel in the interests of honesty I should clarify that one line was lighter so it wasn't a positive OPK. But at least I now know what that second line looks like. .

Princess - not suprised about the tears in the nurses office. Blood hell, how frusutrating. How are you to know these things - they need to put some responsability back on their own shoulders. One thing you can not be accused of is not being proactive. I agree is is good to have the HSG, mostly as a ruling out exercise. Have a great time at the 21st and I insist you have wine and cocktails on my behalf .

Nelly - sorry, I didn't mean to frighten you about the EWCM hun. Of course it is a good sign to see it but most people DO have it, it just chooses to stay up at the cervix. I remember euro telling us this during her treatment - there was loads on the cervix on the camera but doesn't usually find any on pants. To be honest I sometimes think my EWCM is excessive and a bit odd when it last more than 5 days and probably not helpful. No - your eggs are fine and are choosing the slow cooker approach at the moment which sounds exciting!!

Artemis - the HSG will be fine, I promise. It is mostly like a smear with some extra tubing which can't (in my experince) be felt when it goes through the cervix. Do take strong pain killers before just in case you are one of the few people who find it uncomfy like me when the dye goes through. I forgot to take painkillers and found it sore - but this is my own fault for being stupid and it wouldn't have hurt anywhere near what it did had I pooped the old nurofen 1 hour before.

Nelly, I'm always totally confused by ewcm. I always seem to have loads of it in the months where I haven't ovulated. But hardly any in the months I do. The first gynae I saw seem to think ewcm was a good sign, but the new one doesn't care about it at all.

Sar, I'm going to slap you lightly with the thread kipper. It's too early to test so hide away those pee sticks.

Well done on booking the hsg. I haven't had one, I think because we have to have ivf then it bypasses the tubes anyway. But from what I've read, the vast majority find it totally fine a big like a smear.

I'm somewhere mid cycle so I'm making a bit of an effort in the bedroom this week. It's so much more of a chore when the weathers cold, I put the heating on an hour before bedtime but still ended up under the quilt. So scheksy. I might have left my socks on too.

Hi,

I can't keep up with all the chat. I tried to limit my MNing over the weekend in order to focus on some quality shagging but spotting started up again so that screwed that idea.

sar I'm sorry you had a freak out. Big hugs to you. I've been thinking about you a lot. I really hope your crappy cold is a good sign, my fingers are aching from being crossed for you. Fish slap from me too for testing too early! Sometimes it's impossible to resist.

joyce at your mil ! I'm angry on your behalf, I'd have throw a mental.

nelly yay for your two lines! I completely relate to your excitement about them

princess sorry about the tears at the nurses. Despite any amount of googling none of us are experts on fertility, so it's not fair of them to assume you know what you should ask of whom. I'm glad she was more sympathetic afterwards. Big hugs and glad you finally got your test done.

at the socks mrsden

So results from last weeks blood test said no ov. Lets see what this weeks one says. It makes me smile that the nurse has to write "day 21 progesterone test actual day 39". It's silly that they really think all women blob like clockwork.

Sarlat ? i agree with others that 12dpo is too early . How many dpo did you get your bfp last time? I know every pregnancy is different though. How long is your LP? I don?t think i could ever do a natural FET like you as i would get my period about 2 days after transfer. The crapness of having a short lp. Oh believe me I have tried to catch many colds but it just seems impossible. I think it would be very surprising that my nk cells would be normal. I?m going to get all this tested in November when i start the ball rolling with my ivf clinic. Anyway, hang on in there. Hope you are feeling ok.

Mrsd ? this is totally ridiculous that you are still waiting for the genetic tests. it must be driving you mental.

Critter ? excellent news that some of your follies are wanting to break for freedom. I am amazed at my gynae last year as i was on a higher dose of gonal f than you and i ovulate on my own ? personally i think that was irresponsible. I think it?s good that they are being careful with you.

Rabbit ? at my mil being a rubbish criminal. And i?m so sorry about your cycles. There is nothing worse than things being out of quilter as it just makes you wonder and worry aobut what the hell is going on. Could you have a conversation with MrBig or email him? I don?t know when you can expect things to get back to normal. Your poor body has been through so much. Out of interest , what did your LP use to be as it seems to be a very healthy length at the moment?

Nelly ? that?s great about seeing your first 2 lines on an opk. You need to get down to biz! The EWCM is interesting. Mine dried out completely on clomid but the gynae told me i had huge amounts when i was doing IUI and that was because of the gonal f making me produce more oestrogen. I didn?t notice any the month i got pregnant and nor did my friend who had a baby. Drinking water is suppose to help produce more.

Coco ? sorry that bloods showed no ov last time, but hopefully things will change .

Lemon ? i hop e you are ok and i hope everything comes out of you soon so you can try and move on.

Artemis ? well done on booking the hsg. Woohoo. Like others have said, mine was also fine. I had mild period cramps and that was it. I think it can be painful if there is a blockage but then finding out there is a blockage is a jolly good reason for not getting pregnant so could be the trick for some people.

Princess ? i have always been lead to believe that no colds and no illness is unusual and can often be a sign of an over active immune system. I?m sure you will never have to go down this route of testing though.

So update on MiL situation ? MrJ sent her an email saying she wasn?t welcome anymore. Now i feel guilty as is always the case whenever we try and stick up for ourselves. I?m still agog at what she did. She knows we are having troubles but to sneak around the house and to open up bags and have a nosey inside is unbelievable. I will stop writing about it as it continues to annoy me!
I?ve just been in to JL looking for presents for my friend?s baby who is imminent. I?ve clearly got out of bed on the wrong side as I felt utterly miserable in there. I go through these days where this huge realisation dawns on me that this friend basically started trying 2years after us and she is now about to give birth. I then walk around the place shaking my head in disbelief and start mentally running through all the people I know who have had babies despite having done things that seemingly would have/should have compromised fertility. I just stood in JL forlornly staring in to space and wondering whether I will ever be in a position to be in that baby department for me. It?s such a horrible and hopeless feeling.

Anyway, on another note, I noticed in that e-book that some of your read that it mentions a fertility coach called Anya Sizer. I don?t want to do counselling but coaching sounds intriguing even if they do exactly the same thing. Does anyone think that would be any good?

Joy, i could have written that bit about shopping for baby presents and the awful feelings. I had to buy a present for a newborn on Saturday. Looking at all the tiny baby stuff upset me as I realised that I might never be the person receiving gifts, only ever buying them for other new mums and babies. But that's the negative bit of me, and I have to think that I will get there. I'm making a list of who I'm buying for though, and they better return the thought when I have my gorgeous baby. Only joking, although I probably could fund a round of ivf from what I've spent on presents over the last year or so.

lemon you'll have good and bad days, mine lasted a while but thats just me, big hugs. I'm sure the boss will say yes, if not I'll just sit a cry until he does

sarGentle chocolate fish slap (so Charlie can eat it afterwards) and step away from the opk's , why do women test with those evils pee sticks.I think its too early to test but can understand why you did, also looking at my ledger I didn't get bfp's until 14dpo. Also stop fiddling with your cervix I had brown stuff with my second bfp and it went on for a week after I tested, actually thought I was miscarrying at the time
You made at the NHS holistic thing, made me think of a particular OT I work with,the change is not onto the wards but would like to that, in the community we have bedded areas in residential homes for some of our patients to go to if they are not quite ready to go home and the hospital is kicking them out. Also we have been taken over by the Marsden so would need to apply to St Helier so something to keep an eye out for but would need to check the mat leave policy first

artemis yay to hsg being booked about bloody time they did it glad Mr A is going with you. I once made Mr B shag me 4 times in one week he told me I was wearing him out

nelly your eggs are not fooked I don't get much ewcm these days and when I mentioned it to Mr Shehata he just told me to use preseed, I like to think if it was a problem then he would have said,mrsd I've about 2 weeks of snail trails but no ovualtion this month

princess sorry about the tears, I would have been the same, its a cheek that they blame the patient and not their own incompetency

mrsd I always keep my socks on no matter what the weather, can't stand cold feet and to be honest I'm really the only who seems them during shag week I know what you mean about it being a chore

coco at the use of the word blob, fingers crossed for ovulation this time, how is Ginger?? Charlie misses his custard pie friend

joy you have a right to be annoyed about your MIL, she was bang out of order. I don't think I coud cope with going into JL baby department but I know what you mean about that feeling of hope;essness, big hugs I would have just given her JL vouchers. There is a bit of difference between counselling and coaching, I've thought of coaching but my counselling is free through work and sometimes I just want to cry and rant and not actually think about why or how to change things. princess is probably the one to talk to about it.

Not much to report, still trying to get answers from Prague but have changed my appointment at Create.

oops I meant I couldn't cope....sorry

mrsd and joy - JL baby department is too much... I went in there this year to get clothes for my friends' babies with my mum and just about died over the gorgeous little cotton rompers. You are very brave to go in there.

joy I am surprised that your gynae had you on Gonal if you ovulate on your own already. The only times I have heard it used is either for IVF, to create lots and lots of eggs, on a higher dose than I'm on, or for PCOS lasses like me who don't ovulate regularly or at all, who they tend to put on lower doses to avoid overstimming. And I'm glad that your DH spoke to his mum, don't feel guilty! Good that he's handling it, not you. She is the one who should be feeling guilty!

buzzy so did you move your Create appointment back after the 13th?

coco at 'blob like clockwork' and at 'I tried to limit my MNing over the weekend in order to focus on some quality shagging' Hee!

sar you've been fishslapped enough already so am just going to copy buzzy and politely offer you a chocolate kipper. Or maybe one of those singing Billy Bass fish that were big in 1999 that sang 'Take me to the River'. 12dpo is too early. Hang in there.

princess sorry for the tears, I am pissed off on your behalf. Perhaps the fact that you cried will make the nurse a bit more sensitive in future.

lemon I am so sorry that it's still going on and I hope that you can put this horrible experience behind you soon.

artemis well done for booking the HSG - I think here in the US they sometimes prescribe antibiotics to take before having one... but my anecdotal evidence is that my mum got pregnant straight after having an HSG in the 70s, and so did a friend of mine here.

nelly brilliant news about the positive opk. Sounds like the woo is working!

Tail feather waggles to all.

critter I was on gonal f for super ovulation, I ovulate like clockwork but it was to produce more eggs to increase my chances of a bfp, yes I have moved it the 17th and to Wimbledon instead of Harley Street, at billy bass I remember them

critter good news that your follies are now behaving! Hope they continue to do well. Come on girls! (a cheer for them)

Oh sar not long to go and step away from the pee sticks. Also, I'm pretty sure the digital ones aren't as sensitive as the line ones. Is it a hpt or a blood test on Thursday? I soooo hope it's worked for you.

joy, jeeze at your MIL's behaviour. That's truly awful. Did she know that you're ttc? I'm pleased Mr Joy has told her off. Did he get that key back? Well done in JL. I had to go into bloody Baby Gap the other week and found it v. hard.

buzzy That's good about the appointment at Create. I think it's sensible to wait until after the open day and you can then make sure you've got the right thing booked etc. Would be funny if we were cycle buddies at the same place. You'd get to see me going hysterical as they wheel me into theatre.

Coco sorry to hear about spotting mucking up your shag plans.

mrsd at the socks. I was tempted to put on my electric blanket the other night mid-shag. Shows how energetic we aren't!

nelly the lines never seem to be the same for me on those cheap ov sticks. I've given up with them and use the smiley face ones now. Am joining in sar's shaky bum fertility dance for you.

princess what a bitch nurse. I'm pleased you put her in her place and made her be nice to you. Hope you are currently enjoying the birthday celebrations up in London town.

Yay for finally booking the hsg artemis. I have to admit that test particularly scares me, but like mrs d, I don't need it as we're straight onto ivf.

Pleased to hear you are feeling a tad better lemons.

rabbit I agree with t'others that your eggs don't sound cooked.

Someone posted something about the story re frozen embies being better than fresh? The article I read concluded this was because only the very best embies are frozen and then make it through defrosting...

Waves to everyone else. It's CD 1 here, which is no surprise, but I am bloody fed up with periods. What is the point of the monthly pain and feeling like shite, if I'm never going to be pregnant? A man on the train managed to stoke my PMT rage, by pushing in front of me to get the last seat, so I had to stand with my horrible period pain. Then to add insult to injury, he gave up his seat for a bloody pregnant woman. Pah! Oh well, at least with my peiod being now, it will all be gone by the clinic appointment on Monday. We're going back, as I need a scan to check everything's ok and for the treatment consultation. Am oddly nervous of the scan, which is weird, as I had loads during the last cycle and got pretty used to them.

Hello all!

You've been chatting loads! I've finally got a break to catch up in.

I see that the delightful Critter has already updated you on our meeting. She was a wonderful tour guide and great company. I logged our walk on mapmyrun just now - it was 8.25 miles and we talked all the way (and through brunch). I'm cheering on your follies!

joycep your brother is an insentive @rse. But I guess you don't need me to tell you this. I can't believe your MIL has been snooping. The cheeky mare. I would be demanding your key back from her right now. That is completely unacceptable.

sarlat your mum sounds lovely. I wish mine would be that supportive.

princess my hospital gave really strong antibiotics (which I didn't take ) with the HSG. I think the thinking is, that if there is an infection there, the HSG can push it deeper inside. It's ridiculous that your dr didn't tell you about this. I have said it before but the admin difficulties (not getting proper instructions, having to call for results only between 1.20 and 1.21 on alternate Tuesdays for test results or people never answering the phone)make this so much tougher than it needs to be.

I can't believe they expected you to intuitively know how the system works. That kind of thing makes me really angry. Grrrr.

Artemis I've tried everything for the scalp. Nothing seemed to work. I thought Oilatum might have helped but I had tried that before to no avail. I was trying it again when I had the acu and after what the hairdresser said, i think it must have been the acu that helped. I'm glad you finally have your HSG booked!

Gin sorry to hear about AF's arrival. I have resentfull stood for a preggo when I had awful period pain. Life just isn't fair sometimes. Meh.

Unless I make it back on before my flight home, there might be another gap in my posting while I travel back, but I will be back, ladies!

Oh no only 10 per cent battery left. Will be succinct!

critter ha ha ha ha at Billy Bass fish! I forgot about him! W had one in our staff room for years, he used to go off randomly. I actually just watched him on you tube and felt nostalgic. From now on I will whisper billy bass to early testers.

artemis woot woot on HSG! I can't comment on if it hurts. It was an epic cervical fail for me. But I'd take co codamol just in case, but I'm sure it will be just like a long smear. Well that's what mine was like but no tubes were involved. I really am a well disguised supporter aren't I?

buzzy neither red nor blue, not a mancy household but if I said, I would officially out myself! Hope you are ok today.

joyce glad mil has been reprimanded. Honestly. I thought there was sme good stuff on that ladies website. Could you remind me of the book title?

gin poo to cd 1. I often think, should it turn out I can't have kids, how will I bear periods. Pointless nest shedding.

nelly the cheapie sticks are a bugger to make positive. I missed the surge last month by forgetting to do wees and running out of sticks. I'm peekng on them every wee now and no pos but quite a range of darkness of second line. I tend to get positives in the afternoon but that is when my wee is more diluted. Big old ball ache! I'm almost interested to be monitored so I get to see a fucking follicle! I never have yet, I'm always scanned at end or start of cycle by chance. Glad the woo is helping.

mrsden I missed the bit about socks. But I like it!

princess what a cow of a nurse. I had a bitch doctor this summer when I had the hematoma. She asked if was going back to work a week after the op and won't sign me off for more than a week at a time, I went to another doctors and he was lovely and shocked she said that. I had the last laugh when the hematoma burst all over her she shouldn't have pressed it so hard.

sarlat tiptoe away from the sticks lovely. Not long now. Thinking of you a lot. You give out such gentle and thoughtful advice to everyone here, be kind to yourself.

lemon hope the womble sorts itself out quickly. Continued loves and support to you.

Did I miss anyone? Will check. No knicker action nor stick action for me. Bt I am craving olives and have ovary pain. Does anyone else crave olives at ovulation? Or am I alone? I've never understood it, but it is pretty accurate! I'm not bothered by them the rest of the month.

2 announcements, both second children (elder