TTC for 10+ months, part 10

[princesschick]

A very friendly and supportive thread for those taking way longer than they had ever expected to make a baby.

Amazing news about the progesterone level princess! Hurrah hurrah hurrah! I am really thrilled. Hooray for the tenacious little sea monkey! But boo to the possible cystitis. It really is the devil's infection. Flush it out with lots of liquid - doll's suggestion of warm tea sounds like a plan.

artemis Really annoying about the spotting post op too. I forgot to respond to your question earlier - the doctor did indeed have a rich mahogany desk . He said that eventually my periods would have stopped altogether if I hadn't been on the pill as my PCOS would have gotten worse . Not sure I buy that. I came off the pill twice before - the first time I was 23, had just broken up with my first serious boyfriend, and my periods didn't return for a full year, until I went back on the pill again. But - I was very, very slim then - I lost about a stone in weight after the breakup, and am only 5'3.5" so that was a lot for me - so I thought it was the weight loss. Then I met MrC, went back on the pill for about a year, came off it again for a bit (having put on a couple of pounds of happiness weight) and my periods returned after two or three months. However, my skin went crazy - awful cystic acne, much worse than in my teens, giant lumps on my chin. I tried evening primrose oil, but it didn't work - so I eventually gave up on being hormone-free, and went back on Yasmin. Stayed on it until April 2011, with no problems apart from a patch of nasty brown breakthrough bleeding every month. Don't know what that meant.

doll at the toke offer

princess glad to hear it is high

critter its difficult to decide what is best, I am in a similar situation, I just want to get on with it but will probably end up waiting until the new year to start IVF, have to wait for AF to show her ugly face first . I still get acne at 39 I didn't find the pill made any difference, my periods did stop when I was on a POP but the GP wasn't worried he said it was quite normal but like you I did get brown stuff but only every few months

ooh having a bit of a panic attack, I can't think of anything to ask Create when I go on Saturday can't really say lets just get on with it

buzzy is the reason why you have to wait financial? Sorry you are feeling panicky. I didn't have any clever questions to ask either. Hopefully they'll fill you in on what to know - and you'll have euro for moral support.

critter no we can afford to do it now, I'm just not sure if I am ready for it, feel I need to get my head around it plus I'm CD 38 and no AF, I'm going in the morning and euro is going in the afternoon

Evening all. Thanks for checking in with me today, you're all so lovely. I'm alright today. Feel a bit fed up and fragile but nothing more than pre period pissed offness. Still had a bit of pink spotting today, but nothing to be excited by. I'm pretty sure I'm 9dpo so early for spotting, but not unheard of, I had another month once where it seemed to go on for ages. Annoying though, it's gone down to a day or two this year which felt within normal boundaries. My past 5 cycles look like they all belong to different women. I reckon my ovaries are just clueless.

Next cycle I'm trying the bicarb method! If I can find it.. Chuck a teaspoon of bicarb in a pint of tepid water and squirt it up your fanjo? I'm game. If nothing else it might fizz pleasantly.

princess hurray about the progesterone! this is good good good. I hope it's turned the worry down one little notch. Do the angela Kilmartin thing, half pint every twenty mins for an hour with a teaspoon of bicarb. Is paracetamol ok when you're pregnant? I don't even know this!

doll I wouldn't worry about the shag. I had my lap and op having had a shag against advice. Not that that is perhaps advisable but It just felt ridiculous. Though I know the mentalling had I conceived would have been horrid.

lemon oo I hope the chimp is right and that your body has learnt the way and is keen to do it again, that would be ace.

joyce I love that book. It's just so soothing to read and makes so much sense. For anyone else into mindfulness it is 100 per cent recommended by me (v birch - living with pain and illness, don't let the title put you off). I quite like its not about fertility but just living with things that are difficult and softening the experience. I think I'll return to it a lot. My acu is amazing too and I'm so glad I swapped. My other one felt very medical. I have my first acu in ages tomorrow and I can't wait. Is like counselling and woo all rolled into one. Though I long gave up hoping it would get me diffed.

critter I had brown breakthrough bleeding on all pills. My body has always been a fucker in the womb department!

artemis after my lap I bled like a period and then got my normal period on cue. Not sure if this is the same as a HSG? It's a similar process though isn't it? Though I think a lot of my bleeding are from my poor poked around cervix maybe.

buzzy don't panic. All will be ok tomorrow, prob better than you think.

Wave to sarlat nelly pout gin and other missed lovelies. Im knackered. Pea and ham soup tonight yum yum.

Yay princess that's great news! I am so thrilled for you.

doll and artemis we were only allowed condom sex during the actual ivf cycle. I did ask why (like the nympho I am) and she said it was to prevent any infections and also any octo-mom scenarios, if I accidentally ovulated early. I asked about after EC and she gave me a funny look and said I wouldn't feel like. Too bloody right, with 2 massive needle holes in my fanjo! Interestingly if it'd work, I was even allowed to er have a big O until about 7 weeks. Mr gin found that v funny.

buzzy I would explain your situation in the 5 mins with the consultant and then ask for her opinion? Questions may occur as you listen to the talks.

joy your new acu sounds ace. I'm pleased to hear you are feeling happier.

Love the name euro although you are far more a chick than a witch!

Also meant to say, critter I really don't think waiting a month or two for ivf will hurt. You'll be properly ready for it and mr c will have got his head round it. It wouldn't be much fun doing it over Xmas.

Mmm soup sounds lovely rabbit. The Bake Off is on soon. I too want dani to win and I'm secretly pleased all the young mums have gone..

rabbit it is the right time for implantation, I still have to fill in the registration forms for the 17th

gin it says I have 10 mins with the consultant, I just want to make sure I make the most of it

Ha ha gin me too. Even though they seemed nice. I drove past school today and want to stick my tongue out at the mums. But I'm sure loads of them all have their stories. I just want it to be my turn! If my patisserie had looked like that I would have sobbed!

Nelly - sorry for AF, but this may be the last AF for some time....

Lemon - sorry for the midnight toilet trip mentalling - your time WILL come again. You have done it once, you will succeed! Thanks for the hugs.

Doll - fingers crossed for your upcoming cycle. May or may not be cycle buddies with you depending on what Doc says next. Cross at the Dr for not responding to your important question!

Gin - I will be at the meet up . Nearly time for fresh hope with IVF.

Artemis - the spotting is likely post HSG gunkles - sorry to be grim but is it sort of lumpy and wet papery? -I had this and read it is quite common post HSG. But onwards and upwards and we will give you and all the others all the support and hand holding you need during the next few weeks. Oh and I agree - nobody has big luvs 3 times per week.

Joyce - the acu lady sounds brill and reading your post has given me the reminder / kick up the bum I needed. I was doing ok with positive thinking prior to recent FET fail and although it can't guarentee a BFP it makes the journey easier. Stick with her - she's a good 'un! The blue ovulation dream is ace - love stuff like this. It IS powerful.

Princess - you are doing brilliantly! It must be nerve wracking but stay positive. Progesterone result is amazing and a good start for more good results over the next few months.

Oooo Buzz, thanks for the clinic details. Will be sending some emails soon.

Euro - have you settled back in to UK time and routine again? How are you? I take it you are considering mild / natural IVF next year. If it is anything like my recent natural FET (which it sort of will be) it will be fine.

Critter - 2 months will fly by. And it does gve you more time to do any emotional or practical preperation e.g. high omega 3 diet etc. Thanks for asking after me hon.

Buzzy - I will forward you the good advice you recently gave me - have a look at FF for some good start up questions for IVF consultation. But mostly you will find they should explain why they are doing the things they are doing e.g. protocol, dosage, timmings, etc. Maybe they will want you to have a HSG - worth asking about that. Also ask cost of freezing embryos and numbers to transfer etc. You maye be able to attend and then email / ring through any further questions later. Gin has some wise words above. Good luck.

Rabbit - ha ha at fizzy bicarb Such a shame if spotting has cropped up a bit early this month. I know it's not ideal but then again as LadyGee proved it doesn't have to be a problem either.

I am feeling slightly better post FET. I guess time will not be rushed and the pain won't be dictated to. But still scared about what the Dr's will say next time. I don't know, I just never feel reassured by them. On paper I guess I'm not a serious case (yet) but when they say stuff about my treatment everything always sounds so serious and end of the road stuff. The spots are still there and multiplying. They look like chicken pox minus itching and illness. I am going to the GP tomorrow, partly becuase I need to rule out anything contagious as I work with very vulnerable people. But I also had a sneaky thought that I could ask her if she thinks there could be any possible autoimmune connection. I guess it will just be a straightforward post viral or stress rash. Ah well. I may not get to update on here much for the next week due to interview preperation, very heavy work load, a couple of social events and general busyness but I will be thinking of everyone and popping in and out when I can. And I simply can't wait for the meet up.

Can't keep up so just to say I'm scan reading and thinking of you all. Thanks for IVF vibes . Sorry for those of you having blips, Rabbit especially. Great news on prog result Princess . Such lovely news. I'm jealous of the amazing acu, I'm not sure mine is doing anything noticeable. Other than costing me money.

14 hour work day today, much the same expected tomorrow. Don't have time for wedding stuff let alone worrying about ERTd or IVF. Sigh. Thanks for saying how well I'm doing Joy, I think I'm just in denial. Will prob spend my entire honeymoon paying for it. Either exhausted or sobbing .

Better go sleep, early start. Miss you all

That is great news about the progesterone princess. Although my HCG levels were rising my progesterone dropped to 11 (at around 6 weeks) which was obviously indicative of something not good about to happen. I was given progesterone supplements but they apparently only help in the case that an impending miscarriage would be due solely to low progesterone so they didn't do any good in my case.

Fx and thinking of you :)

Afternoon all,

Well today I am going to brave the outdoors and try and find the shops in the PiL village. I am terrible with directions but I have a vague idea of where the co-op is and I totally need some fresh air on this sunny non rainy day.

Rabbit how are you doing today? Hope you are feeling better. Any more spotting / symptoms going on? Oh and I agree Dani's creme patisserie was a complete disaster. I totally think Brendan or James will be crowned King Baker next week. I will be sad when it's over for another year. I love that programme soooooooo much. Total food porn for someone who isn't allowed to eat sugar. Or dairy. Or refined white stuff slobbber Those fraisier cakes looked amazeballs. I was literally salivating at the TV. Luckily I had my chicken stir fry with whole wheat noodles on my lap at the time Thank you for the tips re the devils infection. I think I managed to flush it out yesterday with pints and pints and pints of water. I think it was just general nastyness down there all round: the runs, the constant cloudy wee, feeling like all of my tubes were inflamed and cramps in the womb area. Today, all so much better. Phew!

MissM aw thank you. I'm FX-ing too, I'm coming up to the danger zone so I'm trying to keep busy with organising house stuff, watching loads of telly, sleeping and putting into action all the stuff I've been doing with my life coach. How are you at the moment? Are you feeling ok?

Nelly wow, you are busy? When do you get to stop? Do you think you could have a nice day off at the weekend, just for you or you and Mr N? I found work and wedding really stressful, let alone adding in woo and TTC. Hope you are ok. We miss you too. Are you getting to hobble? Much love your way xx

Sarlat glad you are feeling better. You are doing so well. Hope that your rash isn't anything nasty. Good idea to ask the GP re autoimmune stuff. Hope you get some useful answers.

Gin I did have a bit of a wry smile at your conversation with the nurse. She must have heard it all before, right? I hate all the talking about sex life stuff with other people. I even said this to my mum and she looked horrified. She doesn't want to hear it either! Thinking of you though with the 'event' coming up. It's all going to fly by for the IVF ladies on here.

Doll I was completely horrified and that anyone would pass a pipe to a child, let alone a toddler! How to start them young, eh? Do they have special child flavours - pom bear, bubble gum, harribo? I think it was only when my mum saw me chugging away on one in Dubai that she realised the extent of my need for smoking a few years ago (I used to pretend to be a non smoker, family holidays were hell, it was a ridiculous situation all-round and I'm glad I've been an actual non-smoker for well over a year now) and she made some very, very pointed comments. But my god that pipe was goo-ood for someone who hadn't had a fag for 4 days. But not for children! FGS what's next? Whiskey on the rocks in one of those beakers with sprinkler things in it?

Buzzy and Euro good luck for Saturday. xxxxxxx

Big waves and tail shakes at all of you. I still feel ok to post here because I'm in complete denial about anything going on in there And I have no news. Not really having any symptoms today. Glad that the cramping has stopped that was worrying me yesterday. A lot. I'm feeling cheered after my session with my life coach, who doesn't think I need to see him anymore but has said that I know where he is if I need him. He's so lovely. We worked on my 'unconscious landscape' last night and tried to move the worries and anxieties about miscarriage to a different position so that I can try and enjoy things a bit more. It has kind of helped in that he's given me some great techniques that I've been practicing this morning when I get gripped by 'the fear' but I don't think I will be able to stop worrying until I know everything is ok. I would just like to get maybe one week further than 6 and then at least I know that it's not some horrible repeating loop situation. It's just a case of sitting and waiting at the moment. Sort of 12ww if you like. Waaaaaaaah! Does anyone have a time machine / hibernation pod I could borrow please?

princess you sound like you are on good form. I'm glad you managed to kick the cystitis.

sarlat I definitely think it is worth getting the rash checked out. But I am glad you are feeling a bit better.

I am back on UK time now, thankfully. The jet lag was horrible. Yep, we are still thinking about natural/mild IVF in the new year. I think I will be ok with mild stimms. But I never want to touch those downregging drugs ever again.

Gin no big O until 7 weeks?!? I'm changing my mind about Create....

Buzz you mentioned registrations forms. Are those for Saturday? I don't think I have seen any....

I'm on CD13 here. Ov is usually day 14/16. We are making a better go of the swi than we did last month, thankfully!

PS - the namechange is just temporary. The BESH (my other hang out) is doing a Halloween-themed thread, so I thought I would post in fancy dress.

Laughing at princess saying you don't like talking sex. Remember we all know the position you conceived in. That's great about the progesterone, sounds like everything is progressing as it should. Do stay with us, I would miss you if you stopped posting, and you being here reminds me there is hope.

Euro, glad to hear the name change is temporary, I dont think witch suits you.

Rabbits, sorry you've been feeling fragile. Pink spotting sounds interesting.

Nelly, how long until the wedding?

Gin, you're so close to ivf then, so exciting. I'm forgetting where everyone is, maybe we should do a round up again, here's mine,

Mrsden, 31. Dh 32. Ttc for 27 months. Dh has very low count and poor morphology. First gynae said I have pcos but new one doesn't think I do. However, I'm pretty sure I don't ovulate every month. Now we're all ready for ivf, we're going to start in december.

MrsD you make a good point what I actually meant was I hate talking about sex (mouthed in the Miranda Hart way) to medical people. It just reminds me of awkward lessons at school with bananas and frogs etc....

Euro I had wondered but I like the new seasonal name. You are not a witch though.

Mrsden, 31. Dh 32. Ttc for 27 months. Dh has very low count and poor morphology. First gynae said I have pcos but new one doesn't think I do. However, I'm pretty sure I don't ovulate every month. Now we're all ready for ivf, we're going to start in december.

euro, 36, the bloke is 37. TTC properly for 24 cycles with a casual approach to contraception for a long while before that. We are "unexplained" although I did have high NK cells when tested last year. Had 3xsuperovulation cycles, 2xIUI and 1xvery failed IVF cycle (stopped halfway through because I couldn't tolerate the drugs). Now back to au naturel ttc with some acu. Contemplating mild/natural IVF in early 2013.

Mrsden, 31. Dh 32. Ttc for 27 months. Dh has very low count and poor morphology. First gynae said I have pcos but new one doesn't think I do. However, I'm pretty sure I don't ovulate every month. Now we're all ready for ivf, we're going to start in december.

euro, 36, the bloke is 37. TTC properly for 24 cycles with a casual approach to contraception for a long while before that. We are "unexplained" although I did have high NK cells when tested last year. Had 3xsuperovulation cycles, 2xIUI and 1xvery failed IVF cycle (stopped halfway through because I couldn't tolerate the drugs). Now back to au naturel ttc with some acu. Contemplating mild/natural IVF in early 2013.

princesschick 30, DH 34. TTC actively for 24 months over 3.5 year period, BFP Oct '12. Previously unexplained, bobbly right ovary, borderline progesterone @ 7DPO test (30.2), 2 MCs at 6wks (June '09 and May '11). Have been embracing the brown diet, woo and life coaching to 'chill out'. Now have my FX for Sea Monkey III.

euro sorry no the forms are for my consultation on the 17th at Create

nelly don't work too hard

waves and tail feather shakes from me and Kayla

rabbit hee hee at 'it might fizz pleasantly' . Comedy gold. The pea and ham soup sounded delicious. I'm glad that I am not the only person to have had the weird pill breakthrough bleeding.

nelly hope you aren't too exhausted - you have a ton on your plate at the moment. In awe.

princess hang in there. I really can't imagine how stressful this must be, but you've done everything right and you should be really proud of how you have managed this stressful time. Now I guess you just have to trust that it will be ok. Hand squeeze.

missmedusa I hope you are ok, or as ok as you can be.

sar what did the GP say? Did you ask her about the immune connection? I really hope everything is better today, poor you, you really have been through the mill. Thanks for your reassurance and advice.

gin thanks for the reassurance about waiting - I spoke to MrC last night and to my mum and they both said I should just do what made me happiest. Funnily enough now that they have said that, I feel better about waiting. Still haven't made a final decision, but as you've been through IVF already, you and sar are good people to advise me on it. And it would be nice (although not strictly pre-ivf kosher) to have a sneaky Baileys or two over the holidays. Thank you.

Adding to the list....

Mrsden, 31. Dh 32. Ttc for 27 months. Dh has very low count and poor morphology. First gynae said I have pcos but new one doesn't think I do. However, I'm pretty sure I don't ovulate every month. Now we're all ready for ivf, we're going to start in december.

euro, 36, the bloke is 37. TTC properly for 24 cycles with a casual approach to contraception for a long while before that. We are "unexplained" although I did have high NK cells when tested last year. Had 3xsuperovulation cycles, 2xIUI and 1xvery failed IVF cycle (stopped halfway through because I couldn't tolerate the drugs). Now back to au naturel ttc with some acu. Contemplating mild/natural IVF in early 2013.

princesschick 30, DH 34. TTC actively for 24 months over 3.5 year period, BFP Oct '12. Previously unexplained, bobbly right ovary, borderline progesterone @ 7DPO test (30.2), 2 MCs at 6wks (June '09 and May '11). Have been embracing the brown diet, woo and life coaching to 'chill out'. Now have my FX for Sea Monkey III.

critter 32, DH 33. TTC for 18 months, no ovulation at all (apart from a single clomid-and-hcg-trigger-induced one this summer). PCOS and post-pill amenorrhea. Six cycles of clomid, one cycle of injectibles cancelled because of overstimming and risk of octomom-style multiples. DH all fine. Moving onto IVF this winter.

Mr B has just told me he has an interview on the day we are supposed to go to Create

Oh I'm sorry buzz, how typical, sod's law! Does he know what time it is? Any chance he can squeeze both events into the day?

Totally sods law. If he can't make it would you consider going alone? I know it's not ideal but sometimes needs must. Mr Doll went alone to our introductory section for our adoption process, it felt crap considering that it was important and clearly for the couple but better than missing it. He wrote me a nice detailed email about what was said.

Nelly - you sound very very busy - but glad it's distracts you from ttc issues.

Princess - I hear you on the 12 ww - but well done for applying those techniques.

Euro - cd 14 here as well (yesterday we were cd 13) and I usually ovulate cd 14-16 too - we are egg twins . I think I will ovulate tomorrow. Been borrowing Princess' rear entry model of TTC.

Buzz - how weird about the job interview on the same day as create .....but things like this are usually spookily a good omen in my experience. Life is like that - the good stuff comes along like buses all at once.

Rabbit - thinking of you. It's not nice when you feel so fed up of it all. You have to keep believing but I know that is easier said than done. If it's any help I am shuffling up next to you for company as a little wobbley here too.

Hello and tail feather shakes to Critter, Mrs Den. Gin, Joyce and everyone else.

Went to see the GP yesterday. The rash is pityryasis. A viral infection but not contagious. Often comes alongside illness / sorethroat which I recently had. Nothing serious but possibly a sign of being run down. GP said not a reflection of autoimmune disease but possibly due to immune deficiency. She said to mention it to the fertility docs and that they would be interested in this and try to imagine what the relationshp could be between this and the FET fail (yeah right ). We have fab GP's in these parts but not so fab fertility docs. Anyhow she sent me on my way with medicated shower gel and it will take weeks to clear.

Didn't sleep well last night, was mentalling like mad and anxiety set in. Had horrible dream the DH was cheating on me - (anxiety related) and when I woke up I had to double check with him that it was a bad dream and not a real memory as I was all confused and disorientated . Read some of Dr Beer's book last night which made my mind boggle.

I am cross with myself as I need to focus my energy and spare time on preparing for the job interview. Instead I am consumed with this crap and I am sitting around wondering if my close relative will produce the first baby - hate myself for feeling this way - jelousy is not attractive.

Right I will pull myself together. Maybe I am a little rundown.