TTC for 10+ months, part 9

[akuabadoll]

Ladies, number 9. The lucky one.

Just quick airport post to say its too early to sar. I'm going to watch this space though.

Took yesterday off work but spent the morning sorting broken car. Big pile of poo but the afternoon was fab, had a lovely impromptu shag and now have a three day week yippee!

care I really get the "is this really happening" feeling, though since I was a young girl, I've thought it wouldn't happen for me. I pray this is just denial about getting old negative thinking and not some kind of premonition.

The announcement ranking system really struck a nerve, I am living in fear of one of my younger relatives pipping me to the post. She's 8 years younger and got married a year ago. Though they've not said they are trying I know, if they're not already it won't be long. If she announces she's expecting, I dread how I'll react and find myself hoping some financial difficulty will slow them down. I feel so evil about it but the idea is an A* with bells on

Time for my mentalling..
I've not had much luck with pant watch in the past and with stupidly erratic cycles gave up trying to predict when ov was happening and we just shagged as often as we could be bothered on Saturday nights
I decided I'd give the temperature thing a try, I read that you need a special bbt thermometer, but sod that I'll use the one I have for a few days to see if there's any change.
So it said 36.1, last time I took it (ahem...3 months ago) it said 36.6.
So is this the ov dip?! Am I completely mental. Should I wait till I've actually tried taking my temp more than once before I draw any conclusions ? no need to answer, I know..I know.. Then there's the ewcm. Is that what it is or is it just (tmi alert) MrC's swimmers sticking it in to reverse?

Train has arrived at station .. have to stop typing and haven't read all the latest posts. Will catch up later. Have a good Wednesday.....

Hi coco your Saturday night shag made me laugh . Yes, you need to take your temperature daily. First thing every day, before you move. Most people start after their period. Then I think once you have a ??0.2 (someone else will confirm) increase from the highest temp you've seen so far, that confirms ovulation. The progesterone makes the temp increase.

And no EWCM isn't just residue. TCOYF says the difference is spunk dries quickly on your fingers, CM stays wet. Yum. I tend to notice mine when I wipe, and realise the loo roll is sliding rather easily .

All so glamorous. Taking Charge of your fertility by Toni Weschler is the oft consulted bible on these matters.

Good luck

Welcome coco
buzzy sorry about the BFN.

Just got an A* announcement out of left field. Feels like I've been kicked in the stomach. Showed Mr Teu, who said nothing and left me to cry over the dinner. (insert colourful words). Absolutely gutted. It is so f'ing unfair!

Will go lick my wounds and try and get a grip. Sorry. Waves to all.

Oh Teu sorry about the A*. Poor you. Big hugs. They absolutely are the worst. I've taken ages to recover from last week. Take care of yourself.

Nelly have a fab time at the wedding. Enjoy :)

Gentle fish slaps in aisle Sar ! Sorry you got a BFN, but it is a touch on the early side and the feelings you are getting are all great news that your poorly tubes seem to be getting better. FX for testing in a few days time. I have baked you a virtual coffee cake this morning as a little cheer up gift :) Enjoy!

Coco I got all muddled with my thermometre and was just holding the thing in my mouth, then I discovered that if I held it under my tongue first thing my results made much more sense (I'm in no way assuming that you are a dumb ass like me - but I just like to impart random wisdom ). I'm not charting at the moment but did so for a couple of months earlier in the year and got a pretty good idea of when I ovulate (usually CD16/17 in a 28/29 day cycle). So now I just use pee sticks from CD15 (but every wee - I get the cheapies from Amazon). I found TCOYF by Toni Weschler helpful - both in charting and understanding the charts. Don't be surprised if you mention that you are charting to any docs / nurses that they will tell you not to. They're told in the NICE Guidelines not to recommend charting.... Why? Because there is no medical / scientific proof that they work (and I reckon because they think we are morons who can't get accurate data). Anyway, I think it can very useful (and empowering) to know what's going on.

Rabbit Good luck with the start of term. It must seem like an absolute age since you were last in the classroom! Thanks for reassurance about EWCM. I guess it's just one of those things. Are you still in your no hospital glow?! FX for your 2ww.

Critter I like your mum's style. That's a great quote. You are so great at dealing with all of this. In. Awe.

In my news, my groin lumps have stopped hurting today and I'm feeling brighter, which means the bug must have passed - hoorah! We managed to have a pale ale with dinner last night (a weak 4.5% treat) and ended up giggling about nonsense, watching rubbish TV and getting back to normal (I even cleaned the bathroom sink at 10pm cos it was a bit minging and I hadn't bothered for a bit too long - busy in my defense!!). I woke up at 6am wide awake and fairly contented, read the paper and then went back to sleep until 8.30am. Made breakfast and listened to radio 4. Actually feeling quite motivated to get on with stuff today. I think Princess may be emerging from the tent. This all feels so much more like the old self. Oh and my lil bro leaves home tomorrow , can't believe the last one has flown the nest....It makes me feel sooooooooo old. it's all change in our family on so many fronts. Now is the perfect time for a new arrival... 8 DPO here and no signs to speak of, boobs were a bit heavy and tender last night but can take squidging in the bra, I expect ERTD will be here on Monday.... Still I didn't get the bad boob pain until after I tested last time. Just a few more days to hold out...

What do we want -AUTUMN BFP'S!
When do we want them - NOW!
Gooooooooooooooo TEAM 10 PLUSSERS!

Ok that's a lamo shout out but Autumn is here just around the corner. We are half way through the thread and we already have one BFP. There is plenty of time for another!

Wildly shakes pom poms at all of the team and attempts a coaxing out with promise of cake after practice :)

Thanks princess. I did think of you and the barrage you found on return. I phoned a friend who's been really good, she thought I was phoning about someone elses BFP ! Yep 2 A* in one hour, fantastic. I've calmed down a bit now. Finally got MrTeu to talk a bit too. I respect his either way is good stance don't have to be ready to consider childless though.

AUTUMN BFPs!

Anyway, joyce sorry about the truncated hols and the lump. Have they given any indication of what they think it might be? Horrid timing
critter no bath has measured up to the one I had at uni. Long enough that I could float .

I've missed loads, sorry. Hugs to those that could do with them.

Ah Teu that's really awful and really unfair. Take it easy over the next few days and poke that bear with a big stick. You need him right now. I like the sound of your uni bath :) (was it secretly a pool or a hot tub?)

I found the 'moment of pure love' thread. Oh dear god. I hope nothing horrible happens to her. It will be crushing. And I mean that because well, I guess I had my moment of pure love in 2009 and I've never fully recovered from it.

Happy holiday nelly I hope you get some ttc respite and lots of sunshine.

Ugh teu a double wammy, you poor thing. They are a bitter pill to swallow. I'm around my potential A* person a lot at the moment and yesterday I suspected she was up the duff. She's a lot cheerier than usual and seemed different. When the news hits I will post 10 cross faces!

princess yup, I'm going to have September performance anxiety. 18 year olds are a tough bunch to please. I'm glad you are emerging from the tent. I've been out of it for 8 whole weeks now. As I drove away from the hospital a massive wave of relief washed through me and I'm still basking in its rosy glow. I'm having a stupidly late ov this month. I've pushed thought of hard boiled eggs aside by the thought that I will get more time between periods, fingers crossed. And that is the full extent of my tww optimism! I like the autumn shout out. I'm so hoping your premonition is right.

sarlat well that all sounds promising. But if no joy, before you know it, you'll be having a lovely embryo nestled in, bypassing all that sex rubbish I wish I had some embryos. If only it was a simple blue Peter job at home with some syringes, paper plates and plastic tubing!

Making the most of the last few days of freedom with an overnight trip away.

Hi all, I'm still not properly back but will be in a few days. Princess I'm right behide you on 7 dpo of the one shag wonder cycle. This is the one! Mentalling says so. coco yes your temp taking is not what you would call extensive, is it? My pre ov range is around 36.1 to 36.4, post ov 36.6 to 37, sometimes I get an ov dip before the rise but not always. Regular thermometer too. Everyone is different though. If you chart on FF you can nosy around at other people's charts. I do the free version because I'm tight on principle. Also EWCM you can stretch between your fingers, if you are into that sort of thing (which I certainly am), man jam doesn't play that game. That's how I tell the difference, anyway.

Waves to all. Nelly have a good trip. And where is Artemis ?

Behind, I think is the word I was looking for Princess

Well, Doll apparently, it only takes one shag (as my mum would say). So you are officially in the game. Maybe we'll be BFP buddies I paid for the full version of FF sucker and it's not that different to the free one. Although it does tell you what your stakes are this month. Ours are apparently high based on when / how much we DTD. We shall see, I'm not hopeful. Or maybe I am a bit....

I got a ton of CM this lunch time from no-where? WTF? I don't get any at ov but I get loads and loads and loads at 8DPO?????? It's sort of milky and not at all stretchy I have read that this can be an early indicator. I have also had this other months and haven't been pregnant, so I would rather take no notice at this point in time. But it is confusing. I also thought I would work out what days of the cycle I got duffed the last times. I have this as I charted last year and the other time we dtd sans protection once, and I remember it as it was a MOPL. Ha. Ha. Ha Actually it was a Moment of Alcohol Induced Extreme Hornyness. So pregnancy #1 would have been CD13 and pregnancy #2 would have been CD12 or CD14 (I would have thought more likely CD14 as I seem to ov CD16/17). I am being a bit more hopeful (and why not - it will be a fall if I'm overtly hopeful, secretly hopeful, not hopeful, trying not to care) as we hit all of these days and maybe some more. I feel the odds are up a little now. And I've packed all of my tests, which are now at the PILs, so I can't even do a pre-emptive test. Which I think is a good thing.

Rabbit You'll be fine. Although I must admit I wouldn't fancy teaching A Level students or teaching at all TBH My bestie is an A level teacher and my god it's a demanding job. What a great distraction though. I thought you were a primary school teacher and was a bit confused by the poster you mentioned the other day but now it all makes sense!!!

Yes, I wondered where Artemis was too. Maybe she is away doing her work thing? And Euro

How are Lemons and Ladygee getting along? Any news?

akuaba @ man jam .. my co-worker is looking at me strangely because I just made a weird snorting noise. I've been using FF but only charting (what does ERTD stand for?) cycles, I've typed in my one temp and plan to do it again tomorrow and then I'll be a pro !!

princess I like your technique of charting for a couple of months then peeing on ov sticks, sounds like a plan. I'll take a peak at the TCOYF book next time I'm in Waterstones. I watched a couple of FF videos last night here: www.fertilityfriend.com which was a handy starter.

Nelly have a lovely holiday!

Hey Princess the only CM that actually reaches my pants is the creamy kind and I have also had some the last few days, not unusual for me. As I have often moaned, my CM is crap in general, it does clear and have a few stretchy bits before ov, but I only know this because extensive and frequent investigations take place. Watery with tiny occasional EW tends to be a few days before ov, not this month though. One day included the only EW, the only nearly +OPK and the now famous shag and if the charts are to be believed ov too. Nelly twas CD12

frannie I have no idea about travel vaccinations I'm afraid, only that they don't apparently affect things from the male side. Not helpful I know, soz.
Much love to you and your nephew. Thinking of you both.

sarlat Crap, crap, crap at promising signs and then a stupid BFN. I am so sorry but like nelly says 12DPO is a bit early maybe?

joycep Oh for goodness sake at the way the hospital appointments have panned out. Also sorry to hear about the lump in your leg. Do you have any idea what it is?
I was thinking how all MrP's holiday time so far this year (bar 4 days when we got married) has been taken up with TTC/hospital appointments. He only has a few days left and no doubt he will want to use them to visit his mother

coco I found the whole charting thing interesting in that it backed up when I thought ovulation was happening & tallied in with EWCM and ov pain. Helpful in that sense but otherwise a bit stressful!
It's interesting what you say about the premonition thing. About a year before we started TTC I was telling a mutual friend of me and MrP about how the plan was to start a family soon. He basically said something along the lines of how do I know that we will have a family because maybe we wouldn't be able to have children. At the time I was a bit taken aback and thought it was a bit blunt and unnecessary and thought that he was being nasty because it transpired that he had a thing for me I keep going back to what he said in my mind now and wonder whether he knew something I don't and it was a premonition.

rabbits I am laughing at that poster but only in the sense that you really couldn't make this crap up! Fate/the universe really does know how to twist the knife sometimes!

teu Hiss at A* announcement and MrT's less than sparkling response to your upset I second a good hard poke with the stick!

princess Trumpets your emergence from the tent

Have a great holiday nelly

Going with the pant watch theme, what does wet, milky CM signify? Is it the same as EWCM? Clomid seems to have done strange things to me

Waves to doll, Artemis, mrsd, gin, lemons and buzzy and everyone

x-post doll I reckon you have answered my pant snot query!

Hi Coco ERTD = Evil Red Tide of Doom a.k.a. period. The Bible (a.k.a. TCOYF) is a mega huge book, I was a bit taken a back when it landed from Amazon! I haven't seen those clips on FF, but I'm trying to stay away at sit out the last 5 days of my cycle in some kind of non-googing peace (it's not going well!)

I'm also supposed to be going to the bank and selling any remaining items of unwanted furniture. I have so far eaten far too much toast and houmous, watched 4 weddings USA (don't tell DH),looked up milky CM and 8DPO????? worked out what day(s) diffage would have been in the past and posted a couple of things half heatedly on gumtree. But I did do two loads of washing, the washing up and packed the remaining items this morning so I don't feel too bad about my wayward lunchtime. It's going to be a bit of a shock when we start advertising and I have an influx of work again. Eek! I am also a bit bored and also a bit scared about the therapist sesh later....

I need a non-TTC silly petty moan. Next week we have this VIP visitor who I don't know (connected to Mr Doll's work) who will be accompanied by his Advisor who is an old friend of mine, with whom I have a complex history and we don't see each other often. We have to host some cocktail or reception or some such. Anyway, I have three huge, painful, just under the skin red lumps that are just about to explode over my chin. I almost never get spots. Aggrr. It's dumb but you know those events that you can only face on top form? My chin is throbbing.

sar it is too early to test, but how rotten that your body is sending you such confusing signals. If this cycle doesn't result in an ironic bfp, you have the FET coming up really soon. You will get there!

princess sounds like you've had a productive morning! I've been meaning to sell my bike on the US version of gumtree, craigslist, for over a year and still haven't gotten round to it. So well done you for getting started. It will be very satisfying when you've sold the furniture and have some cold hard cash in return! Is your therapist sesh this afternoon? I'm still holding out hope for this being your month.

doll I have my fingers and toes crossed for you during the rest of your 2ww.

pout Grrr, your mutual 'friend' sounds like he has isshoos. What a truly nasty thing to say unprompted to someone - and the fact that he fancied you makes it worse. I don't think he had a premonition, but was just being rude and poisonous. You are going to have your baby. You're just taking a little longer, but the baby will come!

On the premonition front - I sort of always knew that I would have problems getting pregnant because of my PCOS and my mum's shitty history of 3 years of miscarriages and a stillbirth put the fear into me. In a way, it's made it easier for me, as I have always assumed that I will have a baby, but also assumed that it wouldn't happen quickly for me. It makes the waiting easier.

teu hope the wounds have been thoroughly licked. I'm sorry about the A* announcements. And agree, get out that stick and poke Mr Teu!

Ooh care I went mountain-biking in Scotland last month for the first time, it was SO fun - I hope you go! Are there nice trails near you?

nelly have a lovely break. Sunshine does a world of good.

mrsden how are you doing? I was just reading back and saw that you asked a while ago whether I got homesick and I craply didn't answer - sorry. The answer is yes, I got it bad during last year and then during winter and the spring, and I still do miss my family terribly. Part of the problem was that in my old job I only got 10 days holiday a year (US vacation allowance - barbaric!) Now I have more holiday, I try to go back as often as I can, even for long weekends if I can afford it. I am sure that TTC stress is bound up for me with missing my own family and also fretting about my parents getting older (they are nearly in their 70s) with no grandchildren and me not being able to see enough of them.

rabbit you couldn't make it up about the poster. I'd be tempted to draw a moustache on the preggo (immature emoticon).

buzzy hang in there!

Bring on the autumn BFPS! Whadda we want? BFPs! When do we want em? Now!

How did I x-post and not notice? Honestly!
Pout thanks for the trumpets, you are making me feel most regal I'm sure that man didn't have a premonition but was just being spiteful. It's just an unfortunate coincidence. Also, boo hiss to having to use up any left over hols for trips to see the MiL.

Doll thanks for reassurance on the pant snot front. I did have some proper EWCM a few months ago during the no drinking, extreme brown diet period... I think I may have to return to this (if there is no BFP this month - FX FX FX). Even though I have only been enjoying the odd glass of wine / beer / bucket of holiday gin maybe that's the problemo? What a bunch of laffs.

xpost doll are you my twin? I too have three red lumps on my chin! I figure it's my hormones going 'RAAAARGH!' and take it as a good thing, as when I'm not ovulating, and there's nothing doing with my ovaries, I don't get them. My top tip is sudocreme. Can you buy that in the middle east? Seriously, it really shrinks down cysts like that if you slather it on them before bed. Or adapalene/differin (which you need a prescription for in the UK) - but you can't use that if you're pregnant . Sympathies.

Thanks Critter , thats so sweet (on the toe crossing). Sudocreme really??? the stuff for nappy rash? I think I have somewhere. Wow, top tip, thanks.

Oh doll the spot things suck. Why does that always happen? I have no advice. I use tea tree oil on spots, use a hot flannel and creamy cleanser, hop on one foot three times, twirl and instruct the spots to disappear overnight. Ok so I lied about the hopping and twirling. I still have the remnants of plaster / brick dust spots on my neck despite not having done manual labour on the house for weeks and two facials since. I reckon Critters tips are the best! I may have to buy me some sudocreme (dare I venture into the baby section at Boots?!) Are you making your amazing lemon and basil sorbet with mini doll??

I love you critter , just found some in the back of a drawer. If it works AND I'm pg, I'll do the obvious and give the baby to you. Sudocreme is great for nappy rash too

Ola!! Tis warm and sunny and gorgeous here. I really need this break.

Sudocreme? I have loads of the stuff for various hobble ailments. Good to know it has even more uses!

Hope therapist is helpful princess, glad you are emerging from the tent. Sorry for bloody A news teu*. Agh phone posting means I've forgotten everything else I was going to say. General loves it is then.

Snort at man jam

Hola Nelly thanks for your well wishes - I feel excited and a bit sick / nervous at the same time. I'm off in 10. Very hard to decide to know what to wear... baggy cashmere jumper, skinny pale grey jeans and converse. A little make-up and glossy hair should do it. He's a gay man so these things definitely do matter!! Enjoy your lovely, lovely, lovely break. us?