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TTC for 10+ months, part 9

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akuabadoll · 10/08/2012 12:52

Ladies, number 9. The lucky one.

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lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 21/08/2012 18:08

Yes!!! :) Good levels too... Now off to celebrate!

Poutintrout · 21/08/2012 18:17

Oh buzzy I feel for you. What an unhelpful thing for your colleague to have said. Of course we all feel grateful for what we have but it doesn't mean that we aren't allowed to want children too. My sister said something similar to me at the end of last week about how my life is fulfilled because I have her, my nephew and MrP. It made me feel a bit angry because infertility is something she hasn't experienced and she has no conception of what I mean when I talk about feeling unfulfilled.
Feeling miserable about TTC is not the same as saying everything in your life is shite and having someone point out all the things they think you ought to feel grateful for is ridiculously unhelpful.
rabbit struck a chord when she mentioned last straws, I think that is it. TTC is a massive thing to carry and anything more on top is just too much. As I have mentioned before on here my mother is a PITA most of the time (and my MIL....there is a theme here - maybe it's me!!) & over the last few weeks I just can't face taking her calls with her crying and dramas, all I can do is focus on me. You are doing amazing holding everything down and even being a shoulder to cry on for your MIL's friend. Hugs.

Princess Oh FGS at another honeymoon baby. Guaranteed to eat me up too! I have deserted FB pretty much.
I'm glad that your holiday was nice and it's good that your new house is on the horizon.

rabbits I am so pleased that your consultant was nice to you. It is good that he seems to be respecting your need for a little time before intervention.
I like your plan, a plan is a comfort. My interest in IUI has been pricked by lemons It isn't funded here and the consultant was very dismissive of it but we have the proof of it's efficacy here!

mrsmellow It is great that your insurance covers things for you.

princesschick · 21/08/2012 18:18

Aw thanks rabbit, you guys do help loads, I just think that my maniacal checking means that I've got TTC at the forefront all the time. Your kind words have made me feel loads better :) your plan sounds great and that's fab you don't have to go back to hospital for ages... hopefully not until your waters break Wink

mrsm yes FB is the work of the devil. After 1 day of abstaining I'm feeling ok - it popped in my head to check several times today and I'm
glad I've stepped away but I'm sure I'll be back one day Wink

Right back to the Ocado shop.

Poutintrout · 21/08/2012 18:18

x-post lemons

That is fab. I am so pleased for you Grin

princesschick · 21/08/2012 18:30

X post lemons go and celebrate your best news evah!!! Oh how this has cheered me up. The walrus has landed!! Yay :-) p.s. did you have any affirmations??

pout second you on the thoughts re thank your blessings. So what that I want it all and I want it now. I plan to turn this round on people now. Oh so what is it that I have that you would swap? See how they like those chestnuts.

Can you tell I hate the big shop?

rabbitonthemoon · 21/08/2012 18:33

Woop woop lemon! First 10+ twins....?Grin please hang around for a bit

ladygee · 21/08/2012 19:16

Nipping in to say massive CONGRATULATIONS to lemons. Brilliant news. Enjoy your celebrations xx

CritterPants · 21/08/2012 21:06

lemons Yabba dabba DOO! I hope you are celebrating in style - such brilliant news about the great levels too - I second the call for the first 10+ twins!

princess hello lovely! welcome back and step away from FB. My friends who post now tend to be the more annoying ones - smug MrC never joined in the first place.

joy I loved the nuts story. HahaHA! Classic.

*nelly can't believe the cost of your AMH - that really does add insult to injury. Angry

pout Poor you and your bath meltdown, that sounds awful. And I'm so sorry you're having mum and MIL woes. I'm sure it's them not you! I know exactly what you mean about only being able to deal with one insane source of stress in your life. And sorry about the evap line. But it isn't over til the fat lady sings/you get AF.

rabbit you sound so relieved - amazing that you had a nice consultant and that you have a clear plan of action going forward. I am rooting for you. Lemons has given us all hope!

buzzy hang in there! Sorry to hear about the unhelpful colleague. People have no clue sometimes.

artemis was it you who said upthread about clomid causing weight gain? I have put on about four or five pounds since December (when I did my first cycle). Maybe I can blame it on that and not all the American stylee massive portions of grub that I tuck away . Great, now the devil's juice makes us crazy and tubby. Hmph. Angry

mrsd good luck with the nut roast Grin

Waves to everyone else. It's an absolutely beautiful sunny afternoon here and I am off to watch some baseball with my ILs and MrC. Poor MrC's dad got laid off a couple of weeks ago after 22 years with the same company because they were downsizing, so we're hoping to cheer him up with some chili dogs and beer.

CritterPants · 21/08/2012 21:08

rabbit the walrus was part of my positive affirmation upthread - I likened myself to the aforesaid marine mammal, should I ever be in the family way. Smile

MuddyWellyNelly · 21/08/2012 21:30

Hello ladygee how lovely to have you still near us :) And formal actual congratulations to lemon. This is such awesome news. Hooray!! Yes like princess I want to know what your affirmations were, haha!

Welcome back from hols princess. I do totally understand the need to take a break from TTC, I was there very recently, albeit my recent news has rather changed that Blush. For what it's worth, I believe you will get your sticky BFP very soon. You are young still, you know you can get pregnant. And much as I hate cliches, the New House New Baby may be just what you need. A friend did have some problems with early miscarriages and aspirin seemed to solve that for her, just putting it out there. But otherwise, I think at your stage the plan to just enjoy life and keep busy is a good one. Maybe we can start a different thread in chat, where we don't talk about TTC at all, but we can all still keep in touch??!

Oh rabbit I am very proud of you for being strong at the docs and formulating a plan. I am feeling much calmer myself having taken back an element of control. By the way, I think the terminology of fragile eggs is good; it helps me to think of them that way; and that with care and lots of luck, they just might hold out to do the job :) You are right though, it's a bloody miracle anyone conceives ever even if my overly fertile SiL did so on first cycle, the cow. Did you ask about counselling?

sar I forgot to say earlier, don't give a second thought to DH being an older Dad. I think age is so less obvious these days for a start, and families are whatever you make them. So unless he's driving around in a Rover wearing a flat cap (in which case, you should start calling him Grandad until he stops Grin) then I reckon you are alright.

mrsmellow - about this stress making us better people. There is one thing I can say for certain, MrN and I have come together so much through this. We've opened up and talked like we never have in the past 12 years! And I wouldn't change that for anything, actually.

mrsden you and MrD arguing over nuts made me chuckle. I do think the more hospital appointments we have though, the more MrN tows the line. He's witnessed dildo-cam and my AMH blood test so far. It slightly makes me sad though, that before I didn't even tell him when I was ovulating, and now I've had conversations with docs (in front of him) about length and strength of period, spotting, cervical mucus and on and on. Although still nobody has asked us if we are doing it in the right hole Hmm.

Thank you all for your custard stories Grin. I feel like a poor Domestic Goddess when I confess I've never tried to make it. But buzzy I'm slightly disappointed that the line was taken from a book title. I still love her though

Re booking the HSG artemis. I think my hospital say the first Thursday after your period ends, which I guess could be up to say CD12. Yes the instructions I got said it was due to the risk of ectopic. Despite the obvious irony, I'd say it's not worth the risk of having it too late in the month; but if you are sure you ovulate later than normal, definitely lie. They can't see your ovaries on the x-ray unless they for some reason scan you first. They will ask you to confirm you've not had unprotected sex since your last period. So if you can try to squeeze it in on say day 13 you would be before you ovulate hence no risk of ectopic. And as for process re IVF. Yes for private we just booked. They asked me to bring copies of my tests (not sure if you recall the farce of the NHS hospital telling me I needed to write in with both our signatures on it). I got all the other results from my GP including bloods, chlamydia, rubella and last smear. Mine did a mini-tour which we went to, they showed us round and told us most of this info and we could ask questions, which was helpful. Cost - mine is £5k. My sister had hers in the US and said "oh is that all" when I told her Hmm. Full on woo option - well if you live a relatively healthy life anyway, it's probably tinkering at the edges. That said, I'm actually most excited about the hypnotherapy which is possibly the most Woo of all. For me I'm: Cutting out most booze, taking aspirin, heaps more water, fish oils, pregnacare multi vits, Q10, grapefruit juice, avoiding cakes and too much processed food, reducing caffeine intake, increasing fruit and veg and trying to eat organic. And running. Well there had to be a down side! For the most part it's easy. I like grapefruit juice, eat organic anyway, was already cutting down the wine. I read that dehydration can be a big impediment to blood flow, so that seems easy to rectify. I'm not being religious so still have Earl Grey tea but trying to avoid the lattes. I eat this sort of diet and always mean to eat more fruit, so that's all good. (One benefit already - no more shitting bricks Grin. Seriously, I've been producing poos you could build houses on, which hasn't been great for the bumgrapes Blush. I've already noticed a big difference though, so if nothing else I won't have to grip the sides of the loo any more. ). Anyway very long winded but just to say, I don't think this will necessarily make me pregnant, but it might help, it's not that much of a lifestyle change, and it makes me feel like I'm giving it a shot. The running isn't even hard. I'm currently only going out for 20 mins alternating walking and running but it's a start. My reflexologist said to watch with running as it can be a flight or fight exercise which raises your adrenaline levels; but I think with the type of running I'm doing, that's not really a problem Wink.

pout I will go and look at that link as haven't had time yet. You are right though. Eliminating fear is NOT Just Relaxing! I am sorry you had meltdown. I am too familiar with those just now. Firstly to add to mentalling, I don't think 15DPO is conclusive if your LP is longer. And some people don't get the BFP for ages. Plus I have come to the conclusion that a lot of those ICs are cheap for a reason which is why I've never seen a line. So don't be starting the vodka shots yet. As for how to make the pain stop? I have no idea. But if I look into my childless future I see it full of love, because I have MrN and you have MrP and that's pretty special. I also don't want to be lying on my death bed thinking "damn I wish I hadn't moped about for 50 40 30 years since TTC". And I know I would also regret having excluded friends with kids from my life, so at some point I best address that. I don't know if the pain will ever stop; but I suspect the trick will be to still enjoy life as much as possible. And get more pets Grin

joy interesting on the progesterone. The month I had that tested was the same month my FSH was 11. It's all so confusing. No the consultant has not bothered his arse to worry about why I might not have conceived yet, he runs an IVF clinic so I guess he might have other priorities Hmm. The NHS one, who broke the FSH news to me, said I would probably be unexplained, but at that point I hadn't had the HSG (which was fine). So to be honest I still really don't know why I might not have conceived. But my sister was the same and still ended up in IVF so perhaps there is a link? My mum is always commenting how she drank through all her pregnancies and look how well we turned out (though obviously this was a long time ago!). So perhaps the long term effect is we have pickled eggs? That said when sis had her IVF the eggs were good quality. I know it's not all genetic, but I find it helpful to compare to my sister, and indeed use her as inspiration that it might work! I am sorry you had the panic last night though. It's shit, isn't it?

That's also very interesting about how you felt about being pregnant, and pout too. I will indeed post back after my appointment (next Monday though) and if it is good I will have you all to stay so you can visit the fertility master!

Oh it has taken me forever to write this, I will post then come back if I realise I still have more insightful wisdom to impart.

TeuchterWahine · 22/08/2012 03:11

lemon Congratulations! Very pleased.
MrsDen mine won't eat nuts either and if I try to sneak them into recipes he will pick out every little bit and pass them to me. The only way he will eat nuts is transformed into marzipan.
joyce and artemis in the definite absense of the tell tale discharge, itchy and sore can be a hypersensitivity reaction. The best thing I found was lignocaine gel prescribed by the doc. Generally used prior to inserting catheters but works wonders to get hypersensitivity under control. Mild hydrocortisone is great although prolonged use isn't wise.
Princess good to hear you had a great holiday. I'm still trying to get round to congratulating someone who posted a 7mth pg picture on FB. I'm really pleased for them - but they only got married in September!

Home with a dodgy tum today, and AF arrived too so will crawl into the tent with the others. 27 day cycle, so I have no idea what is going on. Indulgent rubbish alert. Buzzy you asked what sort of help/support we were getting down here. In truth we are blithly 'seeing what happens' (his stance), I'm hoping that my total melt down on Sunday night (bathroom sobbing) might get MrTeu thinking. He doesn't talk about TTC easily. Compared to all you brave ladies who are facing all sorts of things I am completely unqualified to offer anything beyond hugs and thoughts.
I've always been a bit of a catastrophiser, prone to anxiety etc, and with everything else in the last 2 years it probably not surprising that things aren't working as they should. We are both permanently shattered which is not conducive to sex let alone SWI. Maybe outsourcing is the answer. There is a hefty amount of just getting through still being done. Simple stuff like how do we get out of our neighbourhood today? Which roads are closed now? Your house may be repaired but your office is now a portacom in the carpark (loos and tea in another building).
I have some really good girl friends here and they know we are trying but they have their children. And anyway it's a bit awkward asking a TTC how's it going? because no news means it's been another BFN and what can you say to that?
So that is why I lurk, follow and occasionally come up for air.
I'm glad for your humour and candour. At least I know what's coming at us when I persuade MrTeu to get referred.

Biscuitsandtea · 22/08/2012 07:42

Just sneaking in to say WOOOOO HOOOOO for lemon Grin. Congrats m'dear. Thanks

Hope everyone is doing ok xx

sarlat · 22/08/2012 08:16

Loving the nutty walrus talk. "I am the walrus, I am the walrus, .........I am the egg man"........now that is appropriate to us, just realised this Beatles song could be our theme tune ! Grin

Joyce - your nuts stories is hysterical! Grin

Thank you to everyone for the reassurance anout Mr Sars age. Funnily enough before all of this TTC debarcle, I thought his age was the main issue that we had in terms of becoming a family. I thought it would be 'unfair' on our kids. Hollow laugh.......... how little did I know.

Rabbit - that is great news about getting freedom from the hospital for a good few months. Bottle the feeling you have now. It is very precious and it will carry you through. So pleased you have some well deserved relief.

Princess - welcome back but sorry that your big toe is dipping in to the tent. Leaving facebook sounds like a very sensible idea. Really hope you get your 'sod it' attitude back. I copied this from you as I was so inspired. But seriously though, feck it! We are trying our very best, what else can we do??? Two fingers uo to the universe.

Oh Pout - really sorry for the tears and family crazyness. I know you had such high hopes for this month, but wait a little longer. And if it isn't this month it really is just a matter of time. I'm sure the poutlets did float down and meet the swimmers - but it's just a case of waiting for the perfect embryo before the body will accept it. It's a matter of time for you. My consultant said that even though my IVF embryo looked perfect under the microscope, if it isn't quite right the body won't allow it to implant fully. It's a case of try try again. Take care hon.

Buzzy - so sorry about the 'chat' with your colleague - stuff like that (even when well meaning) can be vomit inducing as they just don't get it. I would just lurrrve to see some of the folks I know deal day in day out with what we have to go through. You know the sort of people who say cheer up and it will be ok without thinking it through. These are the exact same people that just wouldn't function if they were in our shoes. Be kind to yourself and talk to your belly to coax any little floaty embryos in to staying for the next 9 months.

Lemon - great news about the beta test. Reall really really enjoy the next few weeks and months. If you have any wise words or tips, we would all love to hear them.

Sorry for not checking in with anybody else - I daren't go back a page to read for fear of losing what I am writing.

Ok, so yesterday was 4 DPO (but not entirely sure). I had mild cramps mostly on my left but occasionally on my right side. And then in the evening this turned in to left sided lower back pain. Also had the faintest boob tingling / aching. I don't have any delusions about this being implantation. Bit too early anyway. But does anyone else get this or know what it might be? I had something similar last month I think but this is unusual for me overall. Maybe it's an ovary thing.

joycep · 22/08/2012 08:35

Gin - IMSI sounds great. Do they not do it in this country? I know they do that test where they Test the quality and fitness of an embryo before it is put back in to you. They think that improves pregnancy chances. We're any of your embies put on ice?

Lemon - whoop! Congrats and enjoy!

Critter - I love the sound of your American life.

Nelly - I would take a lot of comfort from your sister and how old was she when through ivf and how long was she trying before she went down that route? I know it's not necessarily genetic but it's a good comparison. Fsh of 11 doesn't mean you can't conceive. Is there anything that can be done to get it down or do people just wait for natural fluctuation?

Teu - thanks for the info. I hope you are bearing up ok.

Pout - I guess we do build up all sorts of defence mechanisms at this stage. And I had this conversation with a friend the other day. I quite often feel guilty about moaning about TTC and then I try and think about all the good things I have in my life and how actually things can be worse. And of course it is true but you don't want others to point it out as it sort of undermines your issue. Anyway I am a bit Jekyll and Hyde about things so out loud I am saying I should just wait patiently for my lap and I am grateful to get this on the nhs and inside I am screaming why the fuck are they taking so long.

Buzzy - No that conversation at work didn't sound like fun. Poor you. If this month doesn't work, am hoping that those lucky OPKs so something. You'll then have to send them on to us.

Princess - glad you had a nice hols. Well done for leaving FB. I am so thankful I left otherwise I would probably find myself up in the night and working out the statistics and percentages of people I know who have babies or are pregnant. And I am even cross to hear about your woodland friend's pregnancy! I haven't congratulated an old friend recently on hers yet out of pure annoyance after hearing she didn't know she was pregnant for the first 5 months. Rubbish! Last year she was telling me she wanted a baby but she was single so now is having her boss' baby.

Rabbit - sounds like a great meeting with a good plan. Now out up your feet and don't think about hospitals for the rest of this year....And with a bit of luck you will be up doffed by Xmas.

Mrsmellow- I forgot you were in SA. That's good of your gynae so you can claim it on insurance.

eurochick · 22/08/2012 09:36

That's it Nelly - you get pregnant just to prove those drs wrong! I am hoping my cervix will heal itself and similarly help me stick two fingers up at the medical establishment. If it doesn't I will have to tolerate that smug git of a consultant saying "I told you so" and slicing bits off me anyway. COME ON BODY! I HATE BEING WRONG...

I feel the same as you that I am coming to terms to some extent with a childless future. I'm not ready to give up yet, but I can see an alternative (similar to the one you describe, involving swish cars and foreign travel and being a deeply unsuitable aunty to my friend's kids) and it doesn't seem too bad.

Artemis a lot of private clinics allow you to self-refer, i.e. just call them up and tell them you want x. Try to get copies of past test results though, because they will inevitably want to know and might want to repeat some of them if you don't have the results.

sarlat I get that sometimes too. In fact I had it about 4/5 dpo this cycle. But I have had it so many times before, I try to ignore it now.

pout I managed not to put on more than a pound or two on my three Letrozole cycles. However, the aborted IVF cycle was a disaster. I put on a few pounds while I was on the drugs and they went pretty quickly once I stopped them (water retention, I think). However, since then, I have put on 9 pounds in 3 weeks. I have never put on weight at that pace in my life. I am not eating daft amounts (certainly not the additional 10,000 calories you would need to put on 3 pounds in a week) so I am wondering if the IVF drugs have messed up my thyroid. The downregging drugs work on your pituitary gland and that also receives messages from the thyroid to produce the various thyroid hormones. Whatever the cause, it is a bloody disaster. I have a court hearing in a few days and can barely squeeze myself into my suits! I wouldn't mind the belly if there was a fricking baby in there. Meh.

Welcome back princess. Sorry you were confronted by an instadiff announcement.

Buzzy how insensitive. I wonder how that person would feel not being able to have a child when they were longing for one. Grrrr.

Woop woop for drizz!

The nuts stories are brilliant! I am still working on the odd vitamin pill myself. That is hard enough!

Right, back to work!

princesschick · 22/08/2012 09:59

Morning all as you can see I'm not doing very well at staying away - ah the perils of the working from home

Just to say thank you all for your kind words and support. I'm feeling much better today, less podgy and quite tanned next to my white vest. I think getting back to the brown diet does me wonders - mentally and bodywise. I was struggling in the poop department and the backlog seems to have cleared now. Sorry for TMI but isn't it amazing what a big old poop can do Grin

I'm not even going to enter into the conversations about annoying people and their post wedding instadiffs or not knowing that they are pregnant for 5 months. Much to annoying and I'm trying to stay in my little happy bubble today.

Nelly you've reminded me to be more rigorous with my vits and asprin... I have had a bit of a slack over the holiday period replacing the 8 tablets with cheese, wine and buckets of posh gin whilst away . Can I also just say that I have been reading on hols and since back and I'm so impressed with your proactive attitude and the way you are dealing with your situation. I couldn't have gone to hospital like you did and well you're doing so well. I am so hopeful for you and you are an inspiration. When do you start the IVF process?

Sar I had the exact same thoughts about I am the Walrus, I am the Eggman. Our theme tune indeed!! Your DH will be a splendid Dad and will bring so much to the table - life experience is not to be sniffed at. I've watched my parents parent 10 years apart with me (the eldest - a.k.a. the guinea pig) and my brother (the youngest a.k.a. the jammy lil git). We are all equally loved but they have been so much more chilled with my bro. I'm sad that I won't get to be a younger parent but on the other hand, I know so much more and would have taught my kids awful things if I'd have been a parent years ago (like my mum) because I just wouldn't have had the breadth or depth of experiencing life and the human condition. If that makes sense?? I'm doing 4 fingers up to the universe. Double fuck you! Grin

Joy so glad I left fb. The source of all my daily niggles, whether that be complaining mothers, baby photos, pregnancy announcements or pictures of peoples 'amazing' nights out. I spent this morning reading the paper in bed after I made Mr P's porridge and feel much better for it. On the thrush thing, my mum's friend (I was privy to several damaging conversations as a teenager if I was feeling unwell as I used to get carted to mother's meetings - wife's of directors with small children talking about their womanly problems over cups of earl grey and short bread - maybe this is why my body isn't getting updiffed as it's scared stiff by adolescent encounters with piles, periods and sore nipples Hmm ) Anyway, she swore by dipping a tampon in natural yoghurt and putting it in for a bit and pulling it out again, using non-bio washing powder, cotton knickers and no tight jeans. I'm sure you know all of this but it was just an opportunity to impart my wisdom.

Teu sorry you are unwell and at home. Hope you feel better soon. xx

Critter hope you had fun yesterday. Your poor DIL. That really sucks. Also, good luck for the next Clomid cycle.

Pout how are you doing today?

Buzzy sorry for fuckwit colleagues. I hate those kind of chats. Hope you are doing ok in your exciting 2ww. Hopefully lemons has inspired you.

Artemis I'm sorry you're still having HSG booking woes. It really is pathetic. I hope this all gets sorted for you soon. I seem to remember in the back of my tiny mind that our next consultant appointments are fairly close to each other? We're going to ask the following: are we doing sex right, thank you please? Are you going to check my tubes? Do you think there's a point where we'll be referred for IVF? Would your opinion on any of this be different if we came to see you privately? Except, I reckon we'll chicken out and Mr P will dob me in it for using piss sticks and crying and I'll get a ticking off and a thick ear again!

Right, I'm going to impart some new knowledge I've recently discovered. I have a retroverted uterus, which apparently is very common. Something like 20%? I've been wondering if the swimmers are getting lost and / or not getting past the starting line (I usually get quite a bit of leakage and have always wondered if this was the cause of the monthly fails - sorry - again if TMI). Anyway, some say the uterus can be eased into the correct posish with exercise, others say Mayan massage is just the ticket but I don't like this as I can't actually see what's happening a bit exercise phobic and I'm also a bit scared of the Mayan massage lady in our area - it feels like going one step too woo, even for me. So, the alternative is that after sex rather than naked air bicycling, lie on your front. Also, it's all about doggy and not pillow under the bum missionary. So, there we go. You heard it here first. I'll let you know if it's worked in about 12 days time Wink

Waves and hugs to all, sorry for being crap of late and neglecting you all and moaning about myself. You can all put the tiny violins away now Grin xx

princesschick · 22/08/2012 10:11

x post Euro - I like the sound of swish cars, houses (maybe abroad?), holidays and being a bad aunty too. Not getting pregnant would also allow me to achieve some other stuff. I would probably enjoying drinking and smoking and eating cheese again too. There are lots of things I want to do that I don't think I could balance with being a mum or at least until I'm older and have grown up kids. So, as you all say the future is not entirely bleak. It seems like a decent plan B to me. Sorry about the weight gain, that's terrible. Are you able to ask them if it was the IVF drugs, could they test your thyroid (my GP tested me when she thought I may be going through early menopause) or do you think it would be a resounding fob off? I can put on weight and bulk out in a matter of days if I eat the wrong foods / drink too much. I usually think it's the alcohol - I did 7lbs one Xmas over 5 days.... and 5lbs one particularly glutinous holiday when I was 20. I remember sobbing as I couldn't do up my evening dress for the last night. Eek!

rabbitonthemoon · 22/08/2012 10:40

princess glad you are more cheery. There's nothing like an instadiff to make you feel like total poo. But today is a new day and you have a tan Smile and EnvyI am skin tone blue that goes scarlet in the sun, peels and returns to blue. They are good qs for the cons.

sarlat lovely words about the embryos. I have to say, I've had every symptom in the book now. Flutterings, twinges, sore boobs, more cm, no symptoms, triphasic charts and bleeding at implantation time. I'm resigned to my body teasing me, but oh I wish I could see inside. It would comfort me to know the sperms reach the tubes even.

Bums posting on phone can't scroll back. Will post again.

MuddyWellyNelly · 22/08/2012 10:43

V quick. Interesting princess. I was wondering last night if the fact I always turn over onto my tummy was the problem, so made myself lie on my back for 15 mins with elevated hips! But I don't have a tilted uterus. So I can help test your theory in reverse Wink

Thanks for the support and hurrah for inappropriate aunties Grin. See, it'll be ok. We can all be friends, and if some have kids and some not, it won't matter.

Crap day of meetings. Best go.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 22/08/2012 10:44

Good morning lovelies, I am working from home today, and will be popping in and out. Thanks for all the congrats, you are making it feel a little real (as did chatting about it for hours in the pub, nursing cups of tea, with DH last night). Lovely to see you pop back lady and biscuits!

I missed the walrus chat, so don't really know what it means - sorry. I did talk to "the twins" a little, I have to admit (and DH laughed at me last night for it and then panicked about it possible being twins). But I mainly focussed on getting fit again (after my weight disaster at the lap) and my new job. I actually got pregnant the exact day before my first day there Blush that will make me popular. But I am loving it (and it is totally googlable, so I won't say more).

Now back to you lot. So sorry pout about your sister's totally insensitive comment. My sister for a while though that her family (husband and at that time 1 child) should provide enough fulfillment for me too. So she was a little irritated when I paid them (a lot) less attention when I met DH. I am even sorrier for the dramas with your mother and MIL. That is a bloody nightmare. And remember I was going to have counselling this week to cope better with the horrible feelings that come with TTC for so long... So great to cancel that appointment

And mrsM I hate fb still. I logged in the other day and babies just clogged my timeline. I vouch hereby not to go mental with anything on fb (DH won't allow it anyway, he is anti). But I might announce (in 2 months or so) with a clear hint towards our struggles and assistance in case somebody else on my friend's list is in the same position and wants to talk...
Oh joycep I actually did work out those FB stats months ago and shared on here. And since then...

And rabbit no worries, I am not going anywhere (at least until my scan in 3 weeks). I love you all too much. But work has got in the way of MN-ing quite dramatically.

GRR at paying for a test you did not want and gave you horrible results nelly. So sorry about that! And very impressed at your lifestyle changes. I'll now admit to having lovely prosecco the day before my period was due, thinking well it has not worked in the past 2 years, what are the chances of it happening now. And I am not even changing lifestyle massively now. The booze is out of course, but I still have had coffee because it is the only thing that seems to make my bowels move

And artemis I would lie too about dates, but I would avoid all possibilities of getting pg before. They were very strict with the lap in theory, and then put me in on day12 and told me to use condoms Shock. It is worth getting it out the way. Also DH seems convinced my spring cleaned tubes might have had something to do with this diffage (first cycle after the lap), and I had my last near-miss the month after HSG.

Massive hug to teuchter. It sounds like things are tough, you know you are very welcome to off-load now and again. I really hope you can get DH to open up a little more about TTC. It is good to have the support at home!

Well done on wine, gin and cheese princess, that sounds like a proper holiday. Also good you are getting back to browness now, and that you are here, despite stepping away a little Wink And enjoy the new and improved positions. As to leakage, I thought I felt it all fall out after this IUI (and had the wet patch in my knickers to prove it) so I guess if some gets in and stays in at can be okay.

Everything crossed for you buzzy.

Well done for visualising (and not backing away in horror) acceptable child-free futures euro and nelly. I tried and failed before!

I am keeping everything crossed for a cluster of Sept/Oct/Nov diffages here :)

rabbitonthemoon · 22/08/2012 10:53

nelly glad you're feeling a bit calmer. The dreads always pass. Counselling is no longer funded at my clinic Sad which is a shame. Dr big was v lovely about the stress. He said he thought of it as a mini bereavement each month with no known end in sight. Which is perhaps rather depressing but it felt almost good for him to acknowledge it. He said a lot of nice things about age yesterday too. He said it does take longer but the 39 cut off in his mind is pressured more by the end of nhs funding for ivf, more than anything else. It's the first time I've been made to feel not ancient.

euro yes it was pleasing yesterday to tell the cons my periods had returned. He actually looked surprised and talked some odd stuff about women in the Olympics with short cycles Confused I hope you get to prove the docs wrong - I really really think you will.

I was just enjoying a train ride to see friends and now a baby is sat by me.

Anyway, carrying on! teu loves. Going and getting tests started might make you feel better that the wheels are in motion? I catastrophise everything, it's a hard habit to break, so sympathies!

Well I'm cd12 and away til Friday and stupidly poas opk just before leaving only to get an almost positive. Angry we did dtd yesterday and I ov anywhere between cd13 and 17 but I do feel I've just smashed one of my 7 eggs on the floor. I've also had no ewcm which never happens to me. Every cycle is such a bag of fun!

Hugs and thoughts to pout and care and wave to biscuits - I'm still here, mores the pity!

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princesschick · 22/08/2012 11:55

heart ERTD = evil red tide of doom. It seems to be in preference to AF here. However, I don't think anyone will slate you for interchanging or using which ever you prefer. However, I wouldn't use either of the BD's unless feeling incredibly sarcastic... Wink I think we all know how you feel re sadness and lack of excitement for things that should be really exciting. I guess it's just learning to manage TTC as gin said up thread. It's not going to go away until the prize, I mean, baby arrives. Some days will be good, others bad and sometimes the gloom hangs around for a while. I liken it to grey clouds, sometimes they sit over head all thundery and heavy, other times they move by quickly and sometimes it's a clear blue sky and it's a while before they are overhead again. I promise that you will enjoy your holiday. I had an outburst before hols after an epic row with DH which left me sobbing loudly in the corner of our shower about a non TTC related thing. When I got out I poured out how I was really feeling and told him that I wasn't excited about holiday, seeing Blur, the new house, in fact I told him that I don't find anything exciting any more because it's always undermined by longing for a baby / the babies that didn't stick around. He seemed a bit Shock because I had been putting my brave face on for a while. Anyway, to cut a long story short, I did enjoy Blur (very, very much) I did enjoy my holiday (loads and loads) and I have been picking new colours for the house and getting excited about the tiles we've picked and the sofas we will buy. So today is a good day for me. I'm also CD17 (last day of shagweek) and feeling hopeful. I know that if ERTD turns up I will have a sob and be low but that will soon dissipate with the new cycle. As for endo, I don't know huge amounts about it and I'm sorry that it's been left to get so out of hand for you. My nutritionist (who is wonderful) has written a book about managing endo with diet and I don't know if this would be of use to you at all? www.amazon.co.uk/Take-Control-Your-Endometriosis-Christopher/dp/0857830686/ Plus the doctors haven't written you off and you are going to be doing IVF. There is hope for us all. Even those of us with wonky wombs and crazy hormones, bobbly ovaries, soggy tubes and rogue lumpy bumpy bits or boys with less than desirable swimmers. One egg; one sperm. That's all. I'm sorry for insensitive family members. It does make me think about all the insensitive things I've probably said over the years and I can only hope that this experience has made me a stronger, more sensitive and caring human being. Albeit a slightly sadder and less excited about life version of my former self. I kind of see this as a growing up process too. Big hugs though and hope you feel brighter soon. x

akuabadoll · 22/08/2012 11:58

Hello lovely ladies. Wow, it's been busy here. lemon amazing amazing news. Wonderful. joy nuts Grin, rabbit you wondered at my whereabouts a few pages back. So sweet of you, thanks. I have had a quick read a couple of times but haven't have time to write. House guest ( with her young child) I mentioned a few weeks back arrived on Saturday and we have been on Eid hols until today. Wow, guests are a lot of work and exaggerated by living overseas both because people tend to stay longer and need looking after more. Not complaining though. The last shag week of my 30's didn't begin on schedule due to the busy days and house guest combined with my lack of enthusiasm due to a suspicion that ovulation was not around the corner. I pay close attention from about CD5 to ovulation, which is only, normally, around 6 days or so and CM has seemed off to me. It's also the only part of my cycle when I tend to be really good about diet and drinking, which has also taken a back seat this month. Related? Who knows. Actually, shag week has not even been mentioned...so was very surprised when Mr Doll got back into bed post-shower before he left for work this morning Wink Also, last night we took the kids for ice cream and Mr Doll choose walnut (he mentioned he found the piece 'bout walnuts last week). Bless him.

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lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 22/08/2012 12:00

Went back and found the walrus. Absolute comedy gold, hats off to you critter. And snigger at the mushrooms in a french pharmacy too, euro.

And re: endo, that is so shit heart. I have heard your story too many times --and am pressuring a friend into getting it investigated, as she has throw-up-painful periods, but she is doing the head in the sand approach.

Also welcome to tenmonths did you pick the most well-suited name on purpose Wink I hope it all works out well for you in the end. And get that DH talking, it is good for all of us.

Btw this is a perfectly good time to eat lunch, I am starvingly hungry, so you lot can join me!