TTC after a miscarriage - springy BFPs for festive beanies

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Love and luck to all who need it, x

just a quick hi! hope all is well??

Been to jobs fair today tin search of job not quite what expected so listing with some agencies.

Any testers out there??

Got my dates wrong.......

I am due to test on Sunday CD28.
Is anyone else due to test?

ooohh Oinker CD28 on Sunday hey ...best of luck x

Well coldsore arriving so will be due af in next few days! so possible lucky enough to fall back into normal cycle again.

Hello...
do you mind if I join you?
gatecrashing a bit, hope you don't mind,
trying to find an appropriate forum after losing our son to a late miscarriage (18+3)last Friday and hope this is where we'll eventually end up when things settle down. I know its very early days but so want to be pregnant again. Not that it could replace Isaac but, well, I'm sure you'll understand.

I have a couple of burning questions but not sure if this is the right place to ask them...

Is it true that you are more fertile immediately after a miscarriage?
Are you more likely to have another miscarriage if you don't give your body time to recover?

Hi ruthlouise, and welcome. So sorry for your loss. How are you feeling? We all know what a dreadful ordeal you've been through so feel free to join us. It's a friendly thread!

I don't know the answers to your questions, but would like to! I have heard that you are more fertile following a m/c but who knows if this is fact or wishful thinking? It's definitely worth a try anyway. I completely understand your desire to be pg again, I'm exactly the same.

It's 4 weeks today since my m/c (I HATE Fridays now) and dh and I have been ttc for 3 weeks. No AF yet so we'll just keep trying.
As for the likeliehood of another m/c if you do conceive soon after - I don't know either! But my midwife told me that if your body was not ready to nuture another baby, the egg wouldn't implant in the first place. Don't know if this helps much. Just try to be healthy, and take good care of yourself. Rest as much as possible. Grieve. I can tell you that 4 weeks on, I have more good days than bad. I am still very, very sad, but I feel that part of me will always carry this sadness, and I'll learn to live with it. I'm sure you'll be the same.

Ruthlouise,
I only have a moment now, as today is my day off work and I have dd to deal with (if I were at work I'd have much more time). I have seen some of your messages on other threads so I have read what you have been through and it's all very sad, I'm so sorry.

I too have read the more fertile thing, but I haven't heard any statistical proof. My best friend did get pregnant before getting an AF - but that is a one off and doesn't proove anything.

On the question of whether you are more likely to have another miscarriage if you get pregnant more early, I haven't ever heard that. I have heard that doctors say wait 3/2/1 cycle or some say there is no need to wait - so I suppose that means nothing is proved either way if they all disagree so much.

I was certainly someone who didn't want to wait.

weewilliewinkie, I hope today feels slightly better than your previous Fridays. I too had Friday as my anniversary day and it was such a shame because it ruined my day off with dd, but I'm glad to say that it has passed now. Mainly because I stopped doing the typical Friday things like toddler group. Are you going today?

Firstnikki, you have my sympthies with the cold sore, but hopefully you'll have a nice normal straightforward AF soon.

Morning and Welcome RuthLouise I think I posted on your thread as I remember the name Isaac having the meaning of "laughter". So sorry to have to meet you under these circumstances but you are in the right place. There are a few on here actively ttc'g and one I know due to test soon all being well. Sadly there have been a few losses recently so there are a few of us in the recent boat too. I have have 2 mc one in Nov and one just over 3 wks ago. Its very sad but it does get easier I still get weepy and cry occasionally but it is getting easier. I find talking helps both on MN and to DH and family and friends.

In answer to your questions:

More fertile after mc? well I have also heard this but again as www says how true it is I am not sure of the facts.

Giving your body time to recover and the chance of mc? I have read many articles and apparently we are no more likely to mc than before. Some medics say give yourself time before ttc again but thats only for dating purposes to make life easier for them having lmp date(although with the scans nowadays they can date fine) and also for grieving and so thats physical and mental recovery. Some ladies feel getting pg helps the process others wish to wait it is purely personal preference. Give yourself time to grieve and make your decision on how you feel and whats best for you.

If I wasn't having a job situation I would be straight there actively trying again. But sadly I am having to wait for a bit so I will be here still giving support until I can ttc again.

I wish you all the best in your ttc'g and your pg's in the future.

How is everyone today??

Yes WWW are you not going to music group today? Just had a thought why not change it for something new that both you and DS can enjoy?

Rubles how have you been keeping?

Thanks for the welcome

Rubles, made me smile to think you have more free time when at work! I work in NHS and only time I'm on a pc is when I'm writing up reports. Since being off work last 7 weeks I've had lots of time on internet so think I might have withdrawal symptoms when I go back to work! Am currently signed off then taking annual leave though and won't be gonig back 'til mid April.

I am also having a friday anniversary today is the 1st.

But need to focus on more positive thoughts so, ...

question 1) if you have AF approx four weeks after m/c....does that mean you would have ovulated 2 weeks before that?

question 2) What is this agnus castus stuff? is anyone taking it?

Having heard so many sad stories on MN, I'm beginning to hold onto the consolation that I lost Isaac at 18 and half weeks and not 25 weeks, or full term etc. If I am to have more M/c's I pray they will be early ones. Not that I think that makes the loss less significant but I'm nearly 41 and every month that passes will be like a lost oportunity iyswim. The loss of Isaac has made me 11 months older in fertility terms

But life has to go on, doesn't it. hope for some sunshine this weekend. dh is talking about getting me a new bike so I can get a bit fitter again. Lost a lot of strength from the bedrest.

love to all

no music group today - am taking all your advice and giving it a miss for a wee while. Went for a nice long walk in the woods with my friend and our 2 ds. Freezing but lovely. Don't feel as bad today as I was expecting...suppose it all does get easier to bear as time passes.

your questions ruthlouise - I think ov can occur after m/c and before your 1st af. I have been using ov tests to try to figure out what is going on with me, and last Sunday/Monday (ie just over 2 weeks after m/c) were the only times the sticks showed that I may have been ovulating. I say may have as any other time I tested nothing showed, but those times the lines showed up much darker. Hope I did, we certainly took full advantage anyway, iyswim.. ...I'm now waiting for af to appear, and have set myself a limit of no pg tests for at least 2 more weeks (if af doesn't come, obviously - fingers crossed tight!)
As for agnus castus, I've been warned off it for now. I thought it was something to do with menopausal women anyway.

RuthLouise,

I too have read a few posts on MN now that angus cactus should not be taken or warned off so probably stay clear to be on safe side unless you can find info that is facutal in favour.

Theoretically yes you could ov 2 wks before af but any af cycle we do not know if we actually ov every month. But its a good chance. Testing with ov sticks could be misleading depending on the hormones if they are still high in your body from the pg they could be interpreted incorrectly.

I must say my first mc was a Friday too but I no longer see it as a sad day but as a new beginning from such sadness and pain I endured up to the physical loss.

sorry www meant to have added so pleased you have took a break and a walk in the woods with a friend sounds fab all be it cold. Plus you get excerise and fresh air. I hope you feel refreshed from it.

Morning girls
Just got a call from my dp our good friends are 5 weeks pg with their 2nd, she asked her dh to tell my dp as she knew we had some problems ttc and she was not sur how I would react. Very sweet of her, I am actually genuinely thrilled for her as she is a lovely lass.
I am simply bding like a banshee this month
Sod the doctors advise - I'm fairly sure thats hw we conceived dd
Back to basics

Hi Piffle that was very sensitive of your friend how lovely.

You get at it girl and best of luck!!

oowwwwhhhh wish I had a more secure job I want to get at it too! oh hum...my turn will come

FirstNikki - thanks for advice re Agnus castus,

I was somewhat puzzled but just worked out EPO = evening primrose oil! did a quick net search and it said 'The dosage taken should be 1500mg to 3000mg per day' from AF to OV . i have some EFANATAL which I was already taking and the nutritional info says ...Evening Primrose Oil 540mg of which GLA = 60mg. Anyone know what the actual recommended amount of GLA is? I will also continue to take pregnacare tablets. Am I missing anything else?

Also don't want to forget poor dh - what should he be taking?

I also ended up using OV sticks last time and fell on 2nd month of using them but I see there's now this new saliva testing thingy - where you look for 'ferning' to confirm OV - Is anyone using one?

Sorry for so many Q's - I'm not always like this - honest! My brain is in overdrive and stops me thinking so much about last week.
Thanks in advance for sharing your expertise

Ruthlouise - I am so sorry to hear your news hun . But welcome to this thread - people on here like WWW and FN have kept me sane. 2 other threads you might like are "Any older mums ttc (late 30's)?" A lot of us are on that (at least half are 40+! ). I am nearly 41 too and between us my DH and I have decided to concentrate on getting me into my best shape ever (was fairly overweight and not v healthy with recent mc) and we're giving ourselves until midsummer before we ttc again. I don't perhaps feel the urgency that some of you do as I have 2 wonderful DS's already but would still desparately like another...... It feels kind of good to relax just for a little while and concentrate on getting myself better - just a thought in case you wanted to consider it? Re Agnus Castus - I think I read something about it on a thread called "Anyone got any tips on getting us pregnant please?" You can see my links are still not fully up and running!

I'm using an ov microscope - an isis one which uses saliva and ferns
I have had ferns from day 7 which is very early as I always thought my fertile time started at day 10 - ov pains felt cd15/16 usually cycle 30 days.
So am bding much earlier than I would normally.
I'll get back to you in 3 weeks if it works :)

ruthlouise - also wanted to add that the sense of urgency you feel at ttc may lessen slightly over the weeks. I was utterly desperate to conceive again in the immediate aftermath of my m/c, but I don't feel quite as desperate now. Don't get me wrong, all I think about is ttc! I'm just starting to accept that it doesn't have to happen straight away. I think it will happen, for everyone here, when the time is right.

your dh could take zinc supplements - said to help with his wee swimmers! I am taking supplements which include b-vitamins and folic acid. Plus I'm exercising a wee bit more.

Piffle - one of my friends told me she was pg just a couple of days ago. She had been terrified to tell me, poor thing, but I'm genuinely delighted for her. She's 8 weeks, so obviuosly know she was pg when I had the m/c. I've been talking lots to her and she's worrying herself sick, given what happened to me...but how can I convince her everything will be fine with her when it wasn't with me? It's hard...

Just had lunch with my friend and her ds.
She is knackered and all a flutter= her ds never sleeps (he is 9 mths) she says they onyl did the deed once that she could possibly have conseived on and she was stunned and shocked and not overly thrilled initially, but getting that way of thinking about it now...
She isn't too stressed about anything like miscarriages, I think cos shes not had one or had trouble conceiving - I recall that, I used to think ttc was for other people

Sorry RuthLouise I don't even know what GLA is but I think a good chat with a local health store may be able to help??

Piffle I think until you have experienced a loss its natural to think all will be well. I am 1 of 4 girls and I had to be the one that has suffered hey...well thats the way I have looked at it sometimes. A loss is extremely sad and devestating but it certainly makes you grow as a person and makes you more aware and appreciative of things in life don't you think?

Riley great idea for getting in shape I took are trying so fingers crossed will be able to wear something nice this summer....well if it arrives that is !

I have found this site helpful, rl...

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Ok found the thread where they are talking about angus cactus its around the 23 March 2006 date they are discussing it. I think it would be best to consult a herbalist for advice I have tried to look online and my searching skills are rubbish and I haven't come up with anything.

\link{http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=1366&threadid=151332#3314729\Here's the Link}

I have checked another website re angus cactus and got the details of the product itself it clearly states NOT to take whilst PG. However it "stimulates the pituitary gland to produce leutenizing hormone, which leads to greater production of progesterone during the second half of a woman's cycle" So I would hazzard purely a guess that whilst its good for before pg its not once conceived so from maybe not to take from ov day onwards. I really would therefore seek a professionals advice for when and not to take (personal thought).

\link{http://www.vitamin-resource.com/catalog/detail.cfm?Item_no=3197\Here it is}

Thanks for your responses. Think I'll give the Agnus castus a miss - could cause more trouble than its worth if it messes your hormones up. the GLA is gamma linoleic acid - the part of EPO that helps cervical mucus apparently.

An OV microscope thing sounds good

www - at the moment, i think I am a bit obsessed with the thought of ttc. Its all thats keeping me going. Midwife saw me today and said i should wait 3 months

must be getting back to normal though 'cos I've been doing housework all day - its only had a lick and a promise for past 7 weeks! mind u, dh did his best whilst I was on bedrest and was a real hero taking on the household chores.

Good morning all, I don't suppose many people will be around.

FirstNikki - I am really well thanks. On CD21 I think and managing not to obsess. Luckily work has been really busy and I have my birthday next Saturday so have been making plans for that and sorting my outfit out.

Ruthlouise what do you think you are going to do? If you do decide to wait 3 months you could use the ovulation microscope/temping etc in the meantime to get to know the signs and know what your body is doing when the pressure isn't on, so to speak. Or are you going to ignore her advice?..

Oinker, are you testing tomorrow? Fingers crossed for you.

I hope everyone has a good weekend.