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TTC for 10+ months, part 8

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eurochick · 03/07/2012 17:54

A friendly, supportive thread for those taking a blooming long time to conceive!

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akuabadoll · 31/07/2012 11:34

wow, all this swimming and fittness going on lemon and princess. I'm useless at swimming even though I swam alot when was a kid, fittness levels not too high either, i'm a skinny one and always have been so it's never been a motivating factor. Plenty of running after Little Doll though so that gets me moving a bit.

Princess I know it's hard to see what could be a long road ahead, but I don't believe that there is an end game in sight for you. We all have so much hope for you here. I have much more reason but even my current end point is totally artifical. I don't believe I will be able to unlearn TTC in September and guess that by then I will have 'by Christmas' in mind. There is always a little hope. Our paths are all unique, for me some more realistic hope for a change may come in a year. Moving on (geographically speaking) may open back up the possiblity of a second adoption. For now I'm doing this crazy mentalling over shag week and FF. Day by damn day.

MuddyWellyNelly · 31/07/2012 13:36

Impressed at the swimming! I have had a very tense morning watching the eventing. Silver for TeamGB GrinGrinGrinGrin with possibility of two more medals in the individual's. Much better than work Wink

Sorry about CD1s and crap Internet and deadlines. More enthusiastic about flutterings and super follies. Shag week continues here. Have decided to have the appointment on my birthday. For my birthday I am getting a baby . My friend who knows about the IVF gave me a stern talking to about being negative, and said there was no point doing it if I assumed it wasn't going to work. It was much needed and I've asked her to do it again nearer the time.

I better go and get some work done. Jumping starts at 2.30 for the individual medals. Grin.

sarlat · 31/07/2012 13:54

Nelly - your freind's stern words sound good - please ask her to give me some stern words too. It helps me to stay on the straight and narrow with postive thinking for IVF.

Doll - love the new name. House guests during shag week you say?? - TTC is always the priority, they will just have to put up with random bumps in the night. Grin

Lemon - good for you with the fitness campaign - will definetly help leading up to IVF for mind and body.

Princess - glad you are feeling better. I think I am very simiar to you in that I go from feeling TTC down to TTC up in short spaces of time. Usually distractions of nice things are what stop me going too down but I do agree hormones play a big part. I feel more depressed when my temps are high and progesterone is on the rampage.

Joycep - so sorry that AF turned up. But please take comfort from the fact that it was a near miss. Keep trying / searching. I will too.

Well I am now 13 dpo so period due day after tomorrow. Yesterday and today I POAS 3 times and guess what.......BFN of course. Silly me for even daring to belive. Sad. Those uterine flutterings were there from 8 - 12 dpo but have stopped now. I have also had some very mild cramping. Anyone else with these symptoms would surely get a BFP.

Funnily enough when I had a scan last week with the nurse she said everthing looked ok and there was no evidence of fluid in my tubes. Watery tubes can come and go sometimes apparantly. This led me to think it could have been possible for the sperm and egg to meet this month and this then led to some mild excitement when the mild flutters started.

Have zero symptoms now so I know its game over. Will brush self off and keep marching on.

princesschick · 31/07/2012 14:17

doll Thanks your move sounds exciting. Are you definitely on the move? Do you know where? You always sound like you are having such an adventure. I like Sarlat's advice that your guests will just have to put up with random bumps in the night! Grin

Muddy wise words from your friend. I'm feeling much more positive today. So much so that I found myself typing dates into a due calculator this morning. Hmm Why?! Because I'm deluded and crazy I like the idea that you are getting a baby for your birthday. I would like to be presented with a tiny baby on my birthday, powder fresh and wrapped up with a big silk bow. If only eh?! Enjoy the rest of the 'lympics this afternoon. Go Team GB and the GB 4 legged machines! Are you secretly there?!

Sarlet sorry for the negative tests. Don't beat yourself up for believing though, as Nelly's friend has said you need to keep positive. Great news that it looks like your tubes are better though. I definitely suffer with the old emotional see-saw. I was telling DH about the lead singer in the children's choir at the opening ceremony and how he only has one arm but can still climb trees and tie his own shoelaces (story in the Times yesterday) and I started to choke up. Not full on tears, but I could feel it all swirling around. Now it is an emotional story but if I'd been telling DH last week I wouldn't have been holding back tears. Being a girl sucks so much sometimes.

Well I feel rather smug having just made a batch of soup for today's lunch and for tomorrow too. Carrot and lentil. The easiest laziest soup to make (only takes 25 minutes) A nice way to spend a lunch hour. All of these little activities and mini accomplishments are so helping me at the moment. Usually I grab something from the shop and mindlessly eat it in front of the telly Jezza K . Well ladies, that lazy lil princess has gone. This more motivated lady is getting up an hour earlier to make breakfast, do housework and washing and now seems to be making batches of soup at lunchtime! I don't think this will last long, but maybe I'll make it obligatory during the 2ww to keep occupied. Next thing you know I'll be darning socks and taking up needle crafts Hmm

eurochick · 31/07/2012 15:10

Afternoon ladies.

I'm very impressed with the swimming, particularly the early morning variety! I used to be a v keen swimmer (40-50 lengths 3 times a week minimum) but have swapped it for gym/running in more recent years. I am tempted to start again, inspired by seeing the Olympics, but I have just had my hair brazilianed (I thought I would take advantage of having no cycle to have a chemical treatment as I have been to nervous to have it again since we have been ttcing). It's expensive, so it would be a shame to waste it so swimming will have to wait a few months.

doll we had the MIL stayin over sh@gweek at Christmas. It was abit tricky but we managed!

sarlat and joycep it is odd how a few of us seem to get pg symptoms during the 2ww saome months. There must be something going on. It's good news about your tubes though sarlat.

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rabbitonthemoon · 31/07/2012 15:16

Oh my, I've missed lots again!

princess big hug for the roller coaster hormones. You have invested a lot in your efforts to put all the odds in your favour and this was always going to be a two week wait that felt long. Im feeling it too now I'm 5 days in. Can we go back to our hibernation?!! Seriously though we all have really good vibes that this will happen for you so keep positive. I'm loving the yoga talk. I have joined Gaiam TV which is ace. I am also going to my regular class tomorrow with my lovely yoga guru, woo hoo! There are a fair few poses I can't do without thinking ouch or yikes, but I think I'm ready.

pout three follies! Yay! Lots of targets for the sperms Smile when is it trigger shot?

nelly I love how far your friends stern words are spreading! It's good to hear I think and a birthday baby is a really good way to think of it. I did wonder if you were at the hobbles today!

sarlat that is amazing about the tubes. I'm so glad you didn't listen to that doctor and still feel cross thinking about it. I'm sorry about the bfns, always a rubbish feeling. But this really is good, the flutterings, the news from the nurse. I think it was princess (or maybe mr princess) who said that periods are a good thing really which made me have a think, they haven't felt like that for me, but there is truth there. If the fluid has gone, this means that the fet has even more going for it and your baby could actually already be chilling out in the freezer right now just waiting to go home. Big hug.

doll liking the new name and sorry about all the rubbish going on for you right now. Although I'd gladly steal some heat!!

lemon much admiration for swimming. I haven't been swimming for about 4 years as I flipped to running. But running isn't right for me at the moment AT ALL so once I've got a few yoga classes under my belt I'm going to swim and have bought new tankini to make sure I actually do it. Me and mr R have booked into a hotel in the lakes with a very nice pool later in the month so I can try a length or two whilst looking like I'm really there to read a magazine and relax. Yay!

joycep sounds like a right headfuck going in for you last week, hope you're ok. A 28 day cycle is good though.

care how goes things? Ive been thinking about you.

buzzy

Sorry of I've missed anyone out. I am having a bit of a strange time at the moment dealing with massive anxiety about a lot of things, its pretty bad at the moment. It isn't all to do with ttc but that is the driver of it I think. I can't bear that I'm in a two week wait again but I'm trying not to think about it and have stopped temping now I've seen a rise. Ff puts ovulation at cd13 so fingers crossed my period won't turn up early and things are back to normal, although that is quite early for me still, it's better than cd8. I've actually got to the point where I dont want to leave the house. Oh dear! I'm not especially sad or down but have churning feelings in my stomach all the time. Right up until ttc I was fit and healthy and happy and carefree. It really has bashed me around. I'm having night terrors and I haven't had them for a long time. I'm not entirely sure what it's all about as I have much lowered expectations about baby making and not feeling especially broody at the moment either. But enough about me!!

rabbitonthemoon · 31/07/2012 15:21

buzzy what happened to my bit of message to you?! I must have cut it by mistake. How are things with the mil?

Poutintrout · 31/07/2012 15:49

mrsd Twin Club?! I bet that is a freaky place to hang out. It is nice to know that your friend got to 38 weeks with her twin pregnancy. That is my worry with fertility assisted cycles and multiples, that the pregnancy won't be smooth.

The Xmas baby deadline is a biggie for me too. I can cope (just about) with another looming birthday but the thought of a barren christmas is too grim.
BTW if there are three pouts (snorts dismissively at the thought) then of course I'll share them out Grin Maybe we all ought to pool our baby making resources! We are all broken in some ways but gifted in the fertility stakes in others.

I refused to watch more than the first ten minutes of the Olympic opening crapathon. As you might have picked up from here I HATE sport and see the Olympics as an ordeal sent to torment me. I spent what little I saw of the opening ceremony shouting at the TV about how many NHS nurses it had cost to make such drivel. I also spend every morning when, tuned into what I believe they are still laughably calling BBC Breakfast News, bitching about how apparently thee appears to be no news in the world and how it is heartening that since the Olympics appears to be the only news topic that the problems in Syria must be sorted. whispers that I have also threatened to write and request a rebate in my TV licence fee given the fact that I am unable to watch BBC1 for the duration of the Olympics MrP really does deserve a medal for living with me!!!

joycep Yep 'tis I with weird autoimmune conditions. To be honest, I am afraid of the immune treatment now though after what happened to Euro.
I totally get you on POAS in an effort to try and put you out of your misery & stop the 2ww mentalling a bit. I used to try and hold out to save money but sod that from now on.

buzzy your MIL sounds really selfish.
Grin at bankruptcy comment
Scan day tomorrow will be CD14, Follies were 12mm on CD9 so ovulation could well be imminent though no positive ov pee stick as yet.
FX that the HSG will dissipate, you can test and NOT have to buy the drugs for the next cycle Grin

gin Oh FGS at random bleeds. Sometimes our bodies really do seem to be having a laugh.
You made me laugh at the thought of you rummaging around that bag of loveliness for your lottery ticket! I like your fertility island idea..when can I check in?!
Talking of lottery stuff, I was watching Countdown the other day. I was kind of half dozing and doing this thing that I sometimes do never do where I try and guess the letters as Rachel the letter woman pulls them out. Well I kid you not I guessed 7 out of the 9. I ran upstairs to tell MrP who made me pick the week's lottery numbers. Unfortunately I think all my powers were used up on Countdown or maybe they only work on Countdown. Well boring story really Grin
BTW I love you POAS idea! I admit that I gaze at the OPK lines and dare to dream......

Doll Uh oh at visitors during shag week. Can't you tell them to bog off!

lemons thanks for popping on their own advice. What a relief, have been getting myself in a lather about that.
Well done on the health and fitness kick!
If I get no Xmas baby can I flee with you and we can spend Christmas consuming our body weight in cake and Baileys? Grin

princess Kudos at getting up early for breakfast and soup making. I am a massive believer in when you are feeling down to have a rigid routine. I am prone to depression and have to be tough on myself like that otherwise I get sucked into the pit of despair easily.
I love the image of you darning socks. Talking of darning, I hassled MrP into buying Little Dog the cutest little cord rabbit toy with floppy blue patterned ears. Anyway Little Legs fell in love with Minnie the rabbit a bit too much if you get my drift and in a moment of excited lust friendliness ripped her face open and chewed her nose off. Anyway I was horrified because I knew that MrP would bitch about it having been a waste of money. So I decided to fix Minnie up with the needle and thread. Suffice to say my freehand sewing/darning skills leave much to be desired & she now looks like she had the same plastic surgeon as Michael Jackson. Minnie is no longer the cutey she was and looks like something out of a horror movie with big black stitches down her face and an off centred nose. For all those with dodgy lap stitches I can vouch for the fact that stitching isn't easy Grin

sarlat Good news on your tubes indeed. Sorry about the BFNs and so hope that it was just early doors in the testing stakes. I agree that for most other ladies, flutterings & crampings would equal a baby Sad

nelly Good pep talk from your friend. Maybe positive thought is the way to go rather than cautious pessimism.

princesschick · 31/07/2012 15:52

Rabbit Both you and Gin have nailed it with this being the hardest 2ww with so much expectation that I now have no expectation, just a period on time would be nice fertility gods thank you please. Like some of the athletes that haven't got their medals - I couldn't have tried any harder what with brown diet training and EOD routine. Sorry you're feeling so low Sad You've had such a rough ride. Although maybe now that your ov day is on day 13 your cycle may be getting back to normal? Wouldn't it be nice if everything turned up at a more appropriate time or even better if not at all! FX for you. You never know what with sparkly clean womble, positive appointment, 18% stats and all. What CD are you on now? It was MrP who said that periods are a good thing. And yes, to some extent, he is right. Although I'm not sure he would feel the same if he were the one enduring them month in month out!! What kind of yoga are you doing? Are you back to bikram (I may have got that wrong). I've found the most amazing hatha yoga teacher and had always steered clear of hatha for being too slow. I was getting into Ashtanga as a natural follow on from vinyassa flow a year ago. Then I stopped completely after the MC. I'm totally rusty. On Sat I struggled with trikonasana (was v.wonky) and even down facing dog was ropey!! When are you off on hols? That sounds lovely. Continue to be gentle with yourself xxxxx

Poutintrout · 31/07/2012 15:57

x-posted rabbit
Oh poor you, you are having a seriously rough time. I send you lots of virtual love and family sized bars of chocolate.

Here's hoping that the Yoga might fix your anxiety levels a bit. I think that TTC magnifies problems and issues and that any additional stresses to TTC feel like the straw that breaks the camel's back.

The hotel break sounds like a brilliant idea.

Thinking of you.

princesschick · 31/07/2012 16:03

X post Pout
HA HA HA Grin at your sewing. I am the worlds most crappola at sewing. I remember we had to make a bean bag at secondary school and I was a bit a lot afraid of the sewing machine. I sorted of screamed when it started and dragged the material away from me (rather my foot floored the pedal) then went straight through the middle rather than round the edge and made a large, flappy and strange butterfly shape that I then had to spend the rest of the class unpicking. HA HA HA Grin at your Countdown admission. I love Countdown but sadly can't watch in case the phone rings. And really I should be working. Like now, I really should be working. This afternoon I have sorted out car insurance (headache), went on MN a lot, did a tiny bit of work, checked out potential new current accounts, went on MN again, spoke to DH about car insurance and bank stuff, contemplated dinner and late b'day pressie for sister's boyf and then instructed Mr P to make some tea and after may do a bit more work. Anyway, Dad's on hols and his parting words were, "don't work too hard". Let's just say I'm good at following instructions.... Wink Like you I hate sport but the rest of telly is so crap. I quite enjoy gymnastics and swimming. Still my time is full of being a proper wife. And so far the dinners are going well. I've surprised myself at how quickly I'm able to cook again. Right, all the very best with your scan tomorrow. I am excited to hear about the progress of the trio of le pouts. Tres exciting.

rabbitonthemoon · 31/07/2012 16:17

Thank you both. I'll be alright but could do without the constant butterflies.

pout ha ha about poor minnie, I won't tell rabbit about it. And about the Olympics, I'm not bothered about it either. I wish I did find it exciting. good luck for tomorrow and let us know how it goes.

princess I go to three types of class and am full on yoga nerd. My favourite is a mixture of hatha and iyengar, it's fairly slow but good for the soul. When I'm fit I do bikram and usually go full out in the summer when work is quieter, I was doing it 4 times a week this time last year, I was so soft and smooth! I was running loads then though so it felt fairly easy but now I think it might actually kill me, even though I miss it so much. I also do a vinyasa flow which I find is more for body than soul. The Gaiam tv has been an amazing find. I've had to subscribe but it is the cost of one class a month and there are hundreds of really good classes on there. I like yoga because it does calm me but it keeps you surprisingly fit as well and it is the only exercise I look forward to rather than put off. Over this time off I've been (geek alert) learning about the anatomy of the poses to be ready for yoga teacher training in the next year or two. I want to specialise in fertility yoga as I would have loved to have done that but there isn't any up north.

sarlat · 31/07/2012 18:04

Rabbit - so sorry you have unwanted butterflies. You are very self aware and although this is horrible at the moment - this too will pass. The yoga interest is really great so give yourself a pat on the back. I think what Pout said about ensuring you keep to a routine during bad times is really good advice - am taking that on board myself so thank you Pout.

Rabbit - I know what you mean about that horrid butterfly / gnorring feeling that just won't go away. Could you try writing down on paper any random thoughts and feelings - not in a constructed way, just go with the flow. Get it all down - it will really give you some release. Then take a deep breath and go for a walk, or have a glass of wine but do something nice. Big hugs -it's not suprising that the horrors of TTC have keft you feeling wobbly. Also remember, from here on, the only way is up!!! Please remember that you have every chance of conceiving in the next few months. Take care of yourself.

Thank you everyone for the wise words about the pregnancy tests. It is good that my tubes were clear last week and this gave me a really big boost - but unfortunatly there are no guarentees they they will stay that way. I can't help feeling my maya massage and caster oil pack have contributed towards clearing them so will be keeping this up.

Just got back from the clinic - so so so so cross!!!! We only went to sign some papers for upcoming FET. When I was there I asked the nurse to clarify the day I would expect to have a 5 day embryo transfered. I don't know if you remember me saying but the nurse last week was adament that the blastocysts should be transfered on the day of ovulation. This was despite me commenting that this was unusual and asking for clarification and checking again with her twice more during the consultation. But no - apparantly I was wrong "the blastocyst needs time to adjust to the new environment and you need to be available for transfer the day after the LH surge". I found this very odd as the endometrium is only thick enough and chemically ready later in the luteal phase, so I thought. I even rang the Dr's last week to clarify - they didn't know for sure either but seemed to think that transfering on ovulation day would be ok. They said they would check it out and get back to me - but they never did.

So today, I learn that "embryos are transfered how every many days after ovulation, as they are old" i.e. 5 dpo. Which is what I always thought. I am not cross that someone made an error and possibly confused me with an IUI or natural IVF patient. I am cross because when I challenged the first infomation, there was no attempt to double check or explain the theory - therefore I find this arrogant. I am also cross that staff seem to back each other up. If I had followed the original advice, my blastocyst would have died instantly due to being placed in a hostile environment.

Then, following on from some of the conversations here recently, I decided to open up conversation about immunes. Can you tell I was really in the mood for it??? Grin

I asked for a blood test there and then to test my HCG to see if 'something is trying to implant'. I was given the usual jabba about using pregnancy tests instead etc. Then I said, "but some months I think I can feel things happening but it just comes to nothing". I asked the nurse what she thinks fluttering in the womb from 8 - 12 dpo might be? She said it's likely my period coming as I am 13 dpo today so nearly time. I pointed out that these flutterings have occured since 8 DPO, so not near period time?

She said that 'as someone who has been pregnant before she didn't think it was definatly a sign'. I told her 'I too had been pregnant before and that I have also had a miscarriage before and that I have also had IVF before and as a result I feel I have a wealth of experinces that need listening to. Blush

I said 'I wonder if I have some sort of autoimmune disease as I have regular (almost monthly) mouth ulcers and facial tingling which usually occur around period time'. The nurse ran off to check with the Dr to see if I can have a blood HCG pregnancy test based on my 'immunology weak implantation' theory. The Dr said no - I would "need a positive pregnancy test and bleeding first" before they would check this out. In my opinion, today was the perfect chance to check - 13 dpo with funny flutters all week.

At the point I was telling the nurse all of the above, the flutters started up again - I kid you not. Grin.

The Dr who said "no" to my pregnancy test request was the same Dr who said I may be in ovarian decline back in May! He then said (via the nurse) that if I wanted to discuss immune issues then I could but need to go and see the consultant. Now this is not a bad idea and one I will persue as I have a nice new consultant. BUT - when I was first referred to this clinic and saw the other consultant (awful one) I did try and bring up immue issues and I was poo pood immediatly!! So now I'm cross that this door was closed to me when my clinic will look in to it - usually after failed IVF cycles. But my point is, it's not just the failed IVF cycles, what about the 'unseen' failed natural cycles????

The upshot is - I am going to proceed with natural cycle FET as planned in September - but on the correct day for transfer at least. I am going to follow this up with a request for immune tests if I get no success.

Despite all of my ranting above, I was very calm and polite to this nurse. It wasn't even intended to be that type of appointment.

What have I learnt? Unfortunatly many of these people are perhaps not the experts we thought- they are faciliatators and often don't have higher level knowledge of the different scinces or peoples emotions.

Ladies - question everything!!! If it doesn't sound right - it probably isn't! Trust your instincs in addition to being guided by the Dr's and nurses.

Good grief - what a rant - sorry ladies! I guess I am fed up with being a 'victim'. I just want a baby.

rabbitonthemoon · 31/07/2012 19:26

Oh sarlat ffs, no wonder you were cross. It is amazing and worrying that you can't entirely trust the messages given when you are in the hands of people who really should know and, if in any doubt, should check. When I came round from my lap, the nurse told me my tubes were entirely blocked (because no dye had spilled through because they couldn't canulate me) and then said shed go and check on google if that meant I'd need ivf!!! Cue hysterical woman telling her not to bloody well check on google because the cons had explained what had happened. She wouldnt have it though and I felt so upset I was beside myself. These things shouldn't happen. Well done for standing your ground and thank goodness you got it sorted today rather than get the dates wrong. I hope it hasn't upset you too much.

buzzybee123 · 31/07/2012 19:42

sarlat sorry you have had such a rough ride with the doctors, sadly a lot of places poo poo the immune theory, you might find that you end up going privately for it, you are right about going with your instinct, I knew I had miscarried the 2nd time and I went to my GP to ask her for a referral to EPAU, she politely told me stop worrying and to go home and knit Hmm I went up the next morning and lied about having a bleed so they would scan me :( my advice is next time lie about having a bfp and bleeding, its the only way you'll know for sure. Its frustrating when you feel you have to justify why you want something looked at, it amazes me how many people in this field seem to lack the insight into what it is like for us wanting a baby so badly. Although Shehata is very understanding, well to my face, what he says to his nurse when I leave the room is probably another thing :)

rabbit super big hugs, sorry about the anxiety sarlat's idea of writing things down is a good idea.
I am avoiding MIL until we go on Sunday Hmm spoke to the other lady yesterday, I shall call her M, well M said that MIL feels she cannot ask about what is going on, I don't want to cause friction but I did say that PIL and aunt have been informed of miscariages appointments with NHS RMC and the treatment programme I have been given, I didn't mention it everytime we went as I thought that would make me seem neurotic and they never asked how it was going. Have emailed MIL to tell her I was seeing Shehata privately that I get no help from NHS due to being and old cow and taht we were considering IVF, I quite frankly cant think of anything that I have missed out other than her sons sperm are crap, I thought I'd save him the slight embarressment

princessGlad you are feeling better today :) I'll be still on the Gonal F but on 225 instead of 150. I always work out when ERTD is due, when ovulation is and what my due date would be Confused
I think for the pine bark to work you need to be on a higher dose, L'arginine, L'caratine and co enzyme are what Mr B is on, he tried the male conception thing but didn't seem to do much

doll sorry about the blackouts and house guests during shag week, Mr B told me to surprise him, which is what I do aka the boots, there are times when I really can't be arsed and wonder why I need to, I also spat the dummy about that on the Saturday along with the bankruptcy stuff Grin I just sometimes feel I have done everything else, I'm pumping myself full of expensive drugs every month and calculating dates etc, all he has to is the one bloody thing that should come naturally to him Hmm maybe surprising Mr Doll might inspire him

pout and mini trio pouts, good luck for tomorrow, if you haven't had a +opk then depending on the size they will probably tell you to 'grab and jab' tomorrow night and then shag Thursday/Friday, what day do you usually ov?? Pout perhaps we should swap husbands as I like sport and Mr B is not that keen. Oh can I ask what immune programme you are on

lemon glad you had a lovely weekend, Envy that you can go to the beach, that is what I miss about home :( I think telling you to test on 16dpo is a bit of a cop out as most women will have either started their periods or then be wondering when they should test. Most women want to know ASAP, well I do, my boobs are still sore and I'm now 11 days post trigger shot Confused damn you stupid body waves hands in the air like a crazy lady
I take the drugs on CD2-7 Gonal F 225 next month, hoping to produce 2 follies, depending on Mr B's next SA result I will be pushing for IUI but I think he might want to give it one month doing it the old fashioned way.
The problem with the ordering is they deliver in the morning, it comes in a massive cold box as the drugs need to be kept in the fridge. I'm at work in the am, I don't want to ask/trust inlaws to be home to receive it, they work part time quite likely to forget and go out. I have emailed Mr B's aunt but she is having an op soon and is also forgetful, don't really want to have it delivered to work, not sure if I could, so short of wagging a morning off work I'm only left with Saturday.

nelly your friend sounds very sensible :)

I used to swim lots back home a couple of kms a week, nice big olympic size pool, lots of talent spotting Wink

well my day has been animal filled, this morning I started with a dog nose right up my butt crack, now I have a squirrel on my balcony, did I mention we are on the 9th floor, he came down from the level above. I am now waiting for the rspca.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 01/08/2012 09:24

Morning lovelies!

How was the scan poutster? I hope the triple was ready to pop and you have some homework to distract you from the olympics tonight :)

Buzzy are we allowed to ask why and how you got a dog's nose up your butt? Also impressed with talent spotting in the pool. I seem to share mine with OAPs primarily...

Princess well done for feeling a little better and for taking your dad's advice. He does sound like a gem. Can we all work for him? And holiday on gin's island?

OMG sarlat. I think a complaint is in order. They have been really, really shit to you throughout. Although yay for getting the ET at the right date and for the nicer consultant, who you won't have to see because you're going to get a sticky bean this time!

I am shell shocked the nurse took it upon her to (mis)inform you rabbit when you were coming round after your lap. What a cow. It is so stupid to tell people anything when they are coming round anyway... I had a call from the hospital yesterday to reiterate everything I knew about the lap, because they have a policy of calling to tell you the results (again) after about 4 weeks. Of course, meanwhile I had started the next round of IUI, so it was a little superfluous, but this seems more sensible than having a blabbing nurse in recovery. Sorry you are still feeling on edge rabbit, really hope things improve for you.

My opinion on houseguests and shag week is, if they get a bed for free, they can cope with noise Wink. Although we recently moved the spare bed to increase the distance between them and us.... Good luck with it, though doll and I hope your DH plays ball. The moving on and possibly new adoption adventures sound interesting as well. Good luck and tell as much about it, as you can without outing yourself!!

Btw I agree about it being a cop out to only test at day 16 (whoever said that) but at least I don't waste money on testing any longer (but I do have several tests that go out of date in September, isn't that sad...

As for me, I am feeling pathetic and anxious. I feel like chucking in the whole stimulated cycle thing. After this one there will be a break and possibly some counselling, because I am actually not coping. I only inject 75units of M, which is very low, but I fail to get that in properly half the time. I stress. I faff. I feel grim with headaches every night and I don't know whether those are side effects of medication, of TTC stress or of job-changing stress. I don't see how this is going to land us with a baby and I am just sick and tired of it all.

ladygee · 01/08/2012 09:50

Hello lovely ladies

I've only read back a few posts and I'm sorry some of you are feeling low and that stories of uninformed nurses and doctors seem to be rearing their heads again. Why do they seem to be so utterly useless at the points that we are most reliant on them?

I'm back from a lovely holiday and can't believe I'm about to write this but I have news... we saw two lines on a pregnancy test last week for the first time ever (and the 15 tests I've done since seem to confirm it!). It took me nearly a week after my period was due to pluck up the courage to tell DH as I was convinced it meant something else was wrong, it then took us a further two days to dare to test (and buy said tests in a foreign country).

It's obviously very, very early days and I'm petrified that things won't work out, mainly because of my damaged tubes, but this is the furthest we've ever got, and further than any doctor thought we'd be able to get on our own. It just seems bizarre that we spent the first half of our holiday talking about when to start IVF again and the second half in complete shock and disbelief. It definitely hasn't sunk in.

MissMedusa · 01/08/2012 09:51

Just posting this quickly and then going to go back and read and respond to everyone's posts.

We had our first appointment at the fertility clinic yesterday. I felt pretty positive about the clinic and the doctor and I think we're mostly on the same page but I'm a bit confused by her treatment recommendations. She has recommended 3-4 round of IUI without hormones which makes sense to me. I seem to be ovulating each month, even if it's not always at the same time, but then she said if that doesn't work she recommends we jump right to ICSI, also without hormones. Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't it make sense to try IVF before ICSI? Our issue is motility (10% fast progressive) but if IUI has a good chance or working wouldn't IVF have an even better chance? I've always thought of ICSI as a last resort option after IVF. I guess it's the idea that a human gets to choose which sperm will make the baby that freaks me out a bit - that the element of "chance" or "magic" is removed from the equation completely.

The other question I have is regarding her reluctance to put me on any kind of hormone treatment. Of course I prefer not to go the hormone route if that works, that's a given, but I'd rather something like IUI (with hormones) working than having to do ICSI (especially if that doesn't work - if the one egg's a dud then you're out). You ladies have a firm grasp on what these different treatment options entail, what do you think? Should I get a second opinion?

I have a friend where the sperm issues were significantly worse than ours where the treatment was to superovulate the woman and go the IVF route and it worked. I'm not saying I want to superovulate but I want to know why it's not even being considered? Actually I did ask and her response is that the chance of pregnancy with more eggs is only 5-8% higher (ok not much higher but 5-8% is still something in conception terms) as even with multiple follicles maturing, there still seems to be one best egg - no idea if that's true but it makes sense to some extent. I guess I'm just worried that perhaps the personal bias of the doctor might mean we don't get the best solution for our particular problem?

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 01/08/2012 10:05

Wooohooo ladygee that is great news. So glad the pointy finger found you while on holidays! CONGRATULATIONS!!!

MissM I am with your doctor re: SO and IUI (being grumpy at the moment because I don't think it is worth injecting if you have good ovulation anyway). But I would be very hesitant about ICSI before IVF and no stimulation ICSI. I would be keen on mild, but not on no stimming. Just because I don't think you get that much information from the one egg. I'd like to know if and how well the eggs fertilise, but if you have only one, you can't be sure what is going on...

princesschick · 01/08/2012 10:11

LADYGEE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO this is the best news ever! Congratulations. Wooop Woop Woop! Finally, we've got a BFP and a very well earned one too. I've got everything crossed for a sticky bean and a soon to be blooming bump Grin Grin Grin. You must be over the moon :) Here are some congratulatory Thanks Please can you send some BFP luck over this way?! Wink

Lemon I'm so sorry that you are feeling so low. You are doing so well. You are so pragmatic and calm. Changing jobs is always stressful and you have other pressures on you too. Gentle hand stroke for you. And a big hug too.

Sarlat FFS. You've had such a rough ride already without throwing incompetent staff into the mix. Well done for not only being more informed (and right) about your situation but for sticking up for yourself too. I am impressed! I second Lemons in thinking that you should formally complain. Putting someones well-being and mental health (imagine if they'd have done the transfer at the wrong time?!) at risk is just not on.

Buzzy oh how you made me Grin with stories of hotties in the pool, squirrels (?) and dog noses!

Rabbit hope you are ok today. Thinking about you. Very impressed with all your yoga abilities! Hope that getting back into the yoga routine can banish those butterflies. Big hugs.

Doll I hope you are ok today too.

Now in light of a BFP on this thread finally it looks like the fertility gods have woken up. Please gods can we have some more? It would be rude not to?!

I have no news except that the flat looks like it's finally sold - either to the Greeks (who have been playing hard ball - there has been a lot of negotiation going on) or another guy who viewed the flat and made an offer this morning. I have also been getting back on with the meditation. Right onwards with the day....

mrsden · 01/08/2012 10:16

Wow, brilliant news ladygee, congratulations!! Do tell us the secret! I love news like this because it proves it an happen.

Missm, I think that if iui doesn't work, they think they might as well do icsi to ensure sperm meets egg. The process is exactly the same as ivf for the couple, just the clinic have to do more work (and get to charge more). I'm very surprised at no stimulation, this would be very unusual for icsi as they'd only have one egg and there are no guarantees that would fertilise so it's a lot of effort to go to. I'd query this. Are you sure she didn't mean that they won't do downregging? This is what's been suggested to us, no downregging but then mild stims.

joycep · 01/08/2012 10:34

gin - that?s weird you also had to go home early on Friday. Thanks for the book ? it has arrived. Yours is coming...will be going in the post today. Sorry about the pregnancy dream. They are truly awful.

lemon - i hear you on another dreaded xmas....I will literally tell my BiL where to go if they say one more time how lovely xmas is with children and what a difference it makes. I thought that was pretty spiteful to let us know this all things considered. Just seen your latest post. I?m really sorry you are suffering with the injections. How long do yuo have to take it for? I must say i think i was a mess when i was injecting. It stressed me out pumping stuff in to me and i didn?t like the smell of the needles and pen. the counselling sounds like a good idea.

princess - i am glad you are feeling better. Your new fitness regime sounds great as well.

purpledoll - can I ask, when you adopted your son did you find you let go of ttc for a while or was it there, always in the back of your head?

nelly - that sounds like a good friend. I think a stern talking to is what i need! Eventing was exciting. I was coyly watching it on my computer at work.

euro - how did the shooting go ?

rabbit - i?m sorry you have all these nervous butterflies and night terrors. Poor you. it sounds utterly grisly. As pout mentioned, ttc magnifies problems and makes any other issue very difficult to cope with. sending you a massive hug. Do you still use your mantra mat? MrJoy has only used his once when i forced him on it. he screamed like a baby.

pout - your Olympic bashing did make me laugh. It is strange how nothing else seems to be going on in the world suddenly. Anyway everyone has fled London, it?s rather nice and empty.

sarlat - I am not surprised you are angry but to be honest I am not surprised about your ordeal yesterday . You begin to hear it all on here. It sounded very odd they were saying you should transfer a 5day embryo on the day of ovulation. Why do they not know the basics? That is why it is essential to be on the ball and to question things . i am sure there are some extraordinary doctors around but having dealt with so many in the infertility world in the last couple of years, i have realised that there is a lot of arrogance around. Forget doctors wanting to be doctors because they want to help people, many seem to do it for the status and money and not to mention the great holiday. And well done for mentioning the fluttering in your stomach and potential immune issues...again it doesn?t surprise me that you were ignored though. I don?t think they have inclination to think outside the box and if they did, i guess they aren?t really allowed to. Everything has to fit in to nhs guidelines. Some of the supposedly best fertility doctors around don?t believe in immune issues but then you have to look at why some of the places with the best ivf results are the ones treating people with immune problems. Anyway, time for you to focus on your FET in September and then take it from there....that?s of course if those flutterings aren?t a little miracle in the making.

buzzy - a dog nose up your butt crack? Grin

Sorry for all the grottyness on here.

Where is FrannieAnnie and LadyG...haven?t heard from them in ages?

princesschick · 01/08/2012 10:56

Joycep ... look up the thread for exciting stuff from LadyG!!!!! Grin

eurochick · 01/08/2012 11:13

Woo hoo for ladygee. What fantastic news! Do tell all. How long had you been trying? What did you do different? (What I mean by that is please tell us that if we all just turn around three times and say the magic words we too can win a baybee.)

rabbit as I am currently cycle-less I can see the wisdom in mr princess's words about periods being a good thing. I now want to know that everything is getting back to normal! The last couple of days I keep prodding my boobs, trying to work out whether they are very slightly tender. I think it's imaginary and I haven't ovulated yet. And while I have been typing this, I have had some quite strong ov twinges , and I never get those post-ov so I am pretty sure I have not laid an egg post-IVF disaster yet.

I'm sorry you are feeling anxious. I am finding myself getting unusually wound up about medical appointments. I am not suffering general anxiety but this is not normal for me. I think I might have hit the limit of the amount of fiddling with my body I can put up with right now. I have the gynae about the cervical stuff on Friday (when he thinks he is going to treat me and I think I am going to cross-examine him about why he is suggesting treatment against national guidelines...) and my stomach churns every time I think about it. Still, it is taking my mind off the real cross examination I have coming up and should be preparing for.

I had no idea you were such a yoga bunny! I was doing some vinyasa at my gym last year to try to calm me but I really wanted hatha. I used to do that years ago and it was one of the few things that would clear my mind. I shall have a look on gaiam tv and see if I can see anything I like on there.

pout or rather mystic pout as you should now be known, can you tell when we will all be duffed please?

sarlat I am glad your clinic finally seems to have seen sense about teh transfer day, but what a frustrating route to get there. Could you get a private HCG test done just to see if your feelings are right? A lot of private GPs have price lists online so you could see how much it would be.

MissM having tried SO, I would also agree with your dr. I just don't see the point of ovulation induction for women who are already ovulating. I would disagree about the move straight to ICSI though. I have the same nervousness as you about the lack of natural selection in the process. I think our next step will be mild IVF, with no downegging, so some hormones but not the full shebang. Is that an option? I also find natural IVF quite attractive as you don't get the ethical issues about what to do with spare embryos that way but that is really just because as a couple we are not good at making decisions!

princess that's good news about the flat.

joycep your brother should win some kind of award for insensitivity...
Shooting was pretty good, thanks, although I didn't enjoy the short range stuff as much as the long range. It'll still be fun though if we can get a bit of a competition going with me, Mr euro and the friend who is doing it with us.

You are so right about drs not thinking outside the box, particuarly within the NHS. You just follow a conveyor belt of tests and treatment and if that doesn't solve the problem, they have no idea what to do with you.

How interesting that we have lots of swimmers here. Inspired by the recent thread activity levels, when I woke up at 6 this morning and couldn't get back to sleep, I decided to go for a run rather than laying there tossing and turning and getting annoyed. I am not a morning person, so that was quite something!

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joycep · 01/08/2012 11:44

LadyG - xpost and how bizarre that I was wondering where you were this morning...sixth sense or what!! Well done you ? that is extraordinary and fabulous news! So remind us of the issues ? was it a male factor problem with you.... ? You have been very quiet on Mumsnet for the last few months, don?t tell me you relaxed and it happened??

euro - sorry your period hasn?t turned up. It sounds like your body is doing something though. I think all these hospitals , clinics, prodding, poking, injecting, drugs, being told bad news , is enough to set the nerve bells clattering. It?s no wonder some of us are becoming nervous antisocial wrecks.

missm - Iui without drugs sounds good to me. I am never quite sure on the difference between ivf and icsi. I guess icsi is when there really is little sperm?? I think it?s always good to get differing opinions with fertility although it can be confusing but you need to go with what you are most comfortable with .

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