TTC for 10+ months, part 8

[eurochick]

A friendly, supportive thread for those taking a blooming long time to conceive!

Joycep well done for sending your period to Greece. I hope that this brings up some interesting and easily resolvable issue. That would be totally amazing. I think I am calm because neither I nor DH believe that after all this time I can be pregnant from one deed done 5 days before ovulation. Period will be here on Tuesday. TTC will resume. You'll see me here regularly for a while yet. However, there is a part of me that googled temp rise on 8 DPO and also increased sex drive 8 DPO . Both are flagged as early pregnancy indicators. I still refuse to believe it. Oh and a part of me is now mentalling, as there are 3 things to take into consideration. I did find myself thinking how nice a March baby will be; how I will relish my September 12 week announcement; how this will get me out of DIY for the next 9 months; how I will decorate the nursery; and how I may have a baby a month after my best friend FISH SLAP IN AISLE MENTAL PLEASE. Actually, it's taking a lot not to do a test, especially as the cheap ones turned up at lunch time...................

Gin read above. 5 day sperm won't be happening in the princess household. I refuse to believe it. This doesn't stop part of me secretly wishing and hoping. Really glad that the period and migraine have gone and fur baby is ok. Inconceivable sounds very good, I may have to download it to my kindle to read.

Pout I missed the thing about your dog puking up orange spew on your carpet. That is totally gross. Did it still smell heavily of ginger?

Euro I am sooooo pleased that you are getting back to normal. That does seem to be happening very quickly. I did at your inappropriate piercing comment. Maybe give the doctors something to really comment on ?

Ok, so mentalling is setting in a little now. But I abjectly refuse to believe that there is something going on up there. It's just too ridiculous. DH has one thing to say: if you are pregnant that baby is going to be called Double Skillz....

lemon Good luck with your laparoscopy. I had one in May and since it was the first time I had had anything like that I was pretty scared but it wasn't so bad. The worst part was the general anasthetic, I was quite shaky and pukey but different people react differently to it. I also got AF the morning of the procedure which I thought might cause complications (I had a hysteroscopy at the same time and they removed the cyst on my right ovary and some scar tissue on my left) but it wasn't a problem. I was somewhat sore and very lethargic the next day but feeling better by the day after that. I went back to work the Monday after that (procedure was on Wednesday) but was still feeling a bit weak so took the rest of that week off. I could have worked if I really had to but decided to take it easy just in case.

I was carrying heavy groceries about 2 weeks later and then promptly started to bleed (more than just spotting) for about 2 days. I don't know if it was the lifting or if it might have been a strange, heavy OV bleed as the timing was about right but it did worry me a bit so I would say avoid lifting heavy things for a few weeks.

I now have 2 small red incision marks on both sides of my abdomen (and one in my belly button) which will probably fade with time and as far as I can tell everything is back to normal now and there's no more pain or soreness. If I didn't have the scars it would feel almost as if it never happened.

Hi all.
Notjing much to add other than I can't believe the sex fails, and yes we have had them recently but I have never in my life come across it before. Even with work and stress I have always been lucky to have partners that can keep up with me until now that is. It must be the stress of TTC. I don't care how tired/ill I am there's always time to dtd lol. Its amazing how it can affect so much in your life.
I had a question, has anyone been here since thread 1?
Had a recall for blood tests, not TTC related and back tomorrow then docs friday. Hopefully I can find out what's going on. All they said was my clotting blood test wasn't what it should be?

I believe I was here for thread 1. But we were te TTC for 5 months or something crowd back then! We stopped when we got to 10 so it wasn't just a diminishing clique and other longtermers could join us.

That made even less sense than my usual posts. Spelling mistakes aside, what I meant was we used to add a month or so with each new thread as the original group had been ttcing for longer, but we stopped doing that when we reached 10 months.

medusa welcome to the thread at the sperm killing pants but I have to say Mr B wore them last year and we managed to get updiffed twice, although now they are rather baggy due to his weight loss and have lost any appeal

euro glad you're feeling better and going back to puberty

joy did you help out the Greek Economy ??

pout Hopefully the torture will be worth it, I imagine we will be told when to DTD this week, interesting they said to do it 2 nights in a row, I have always been told that sperm need at least 24 hours if not longer to be any good something else to ask Shehata

princess has your temp just gone up??? I found with mine that they rose after ov and stayed the same but going up is a good sign

ginartemis and purple We've had the odd sech fail, I spend alot of my time working out when will be the best time and trying to de-stress any situation.

gin glad your fur baby is ok, I keep mentioning to Mr B that a fur baby would be good for us, I asked him if I was wearing him down on the matter, he said NO. I said i'll have to try harder i'm still waiting for my soft furry cushion to arrive, do you have something prescribed for your migraines or do you take over the counter meds??
My boss is now a gay man who just is happy as long as I don't cry and bore him with the details, i'm not sure what the policy is on private appts, they are looking into carers leave at the moment and how much time people should have.

lemon sorry for the mehness

no news here, CD12 and haven't ovulated, which is good for me as I'm on a promise for this weekend, also i'm not keen on the ovulating early on, maybe the postponing of ERTD last month has reset my cycles

waves to everyone

I was here too from page 1 of thread 1. I was in my yoof at only 10months of trying- I should have known I was in for the long haul. I do wonder how it will end though. How many threads will we go to. I may have surpasses 2 years but something tells me I have hardly started this journey yet. What a chirpy chicken I am tonight.

I think this was the first thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1163521-TTC-for-6-months/AllOnOnePage

There are quite a few familiar names there!

Buzzy you don't use all your sperm in one go so twice in 24 hrs should be fine lol. Its when your doing it twice a day everyday that it doesn't get chance to make lots of good strong ones.
Welcome Medusa.
Gin boo to uti but yey at anitbiotics. I have loads from when I had kidney problems as they kept switching to find the right ones. Maybe if I take a different one everyday for a week I will have treated myself for everything lol.
Princess you think your mental, well I just went and took my temp after your comment to see if I had an increase. I haven't argh.
Sorry if I depressed anyone with asking who was about at the beginning. I think its great that you all feel you have found a place with people to talk to that are supportive.

Gosh, what happened to all those other ladies? I like to think of them with baybees now. Thread 1 was before I found you ladies. I must have still been bumbling round the buses, refusing to believe anything was wrong... Didn't realise there was another gin! But this gin will be here foreva :(

buzzy at your gay man boss who just wants you not to cry. My fur baby is kinda like a furry cushion!

carrie that's odd about your clotting - it's exactly what I was being tested for today! I've had a letter telling me to do another piss pot as my last specimen was 'inconclusive'. What a bunch we are, carrying around various bodily fluids in pots...

Firstly... picks up heavy wellies. And a caber. And tosses them at purple at too hot. But, I may PM you, as your region (I think?) is possibly going to be our stop-off on our honeymoon .

I think I maybe joined on thread 2. A long time, anyway, I certainly feel as though TTC has been a part of my life for so long, I don't remember how it felt not to crave a child. Even though, I know that for a very long time I actively didn't want to have any. How ridiculous that seems now.

Very glad you are feeling more human again euro and that you have a plan. I am slightly in awe of all of you posting bodily fluids. I wonder if the postie has any idea . I hope it gives some answers to those who try it. And if it works, you can guarantee we'll all be at it. Talking of which, anyone tried the bicarb douche? So far that's been the only "treatment" I recall which seemed to make a difference.

Chatting to a friend today and she said her little boy had been unwell, and the doctor had prescribed amoxycillin; but that she thought it was OTT for a sore throat and hadn't given it to him. I had to really restrain myself not to ask for them . What are we coming to? I am ready to steal medicine from a child.

Anyway just a general hello to everyone. Sorry about the sechsfails, I may be on for one tonight. We haven't shagged yet this cycle, probably due to excessive work on the part of Mr Nelly. But I just said very matter of fact. Oh, we need to have sex tonight. He just looked at me askance and said "romantic" all dead-pan. Who said foreplay was a waste of time, eh?

Thanks for the new thread by the way and hello to Medusa and thanks for cheering me up (and princess) with the image of your OH's dancing around a la Wayne's World!

Didn't the bicarb douche coincide with the poster taking Clomid? Anyway, I am resisting sticking baking ingredients up my foof.

Thanks for the wet brolly fling Artemis , refreshing.

And for the solidarity on shag week nonsense. More of that in a minute.

Welcome MissMedusa , Im very interested to hear you have had a dermoid removed. Me too (in 2008, yes the scars have faded pretty well), I'm weirdly happy to have found a fellow houser of an alien. I have never heard that they can cause hormonally imbalance. Mine was discovered, in grim irony, during a fertility work up in NYC in which they found no issues related to fertility but found the dermoid in the process and I was told that it had no impact on baby making. Those ladies that are not familiar with dermoids should stay away from Google; they have teeth.

Gin and sarlet, I get UTIs fairly often. When I was younger I could 'wash them through' by drinking tons of water (therefore more likely irritation than actual infection I guess), these days I self medicate with antibiotics. I know exactly what it is as soon as it starts and because I've spend years and years in countries where you can get any drug you want the idea of seeing doctors got left behide.

Well, shag week comedy update, as I'm sure you are on the edge of your seats.... My apparent post-ov temp of CD10 was questionable due to tons of getting up in the night and somehow I didn't 'feel' like it had happened (I've never had ov pain but those crazy nipples generally appear right away). I got an OPK from a friend which I did yesterday and showed no line at all. I'm just adding more confusion to my life as I never got on with these things but in this case I thought I could 'prove' to myself that I was still on my way to ov. Shag week continued (successfully) regardless, then even weirder still my temp was back down this morning but with sore boobs. What now? It couldn't make less sense.

at Pout being secretly impressed.

X-post Nelly

A caber, really? It seems extreme. Of course you can PM me. I did actually reveal my location on thread 7 in response to lemon's curiosity. It's just that no one noticed you will not need to steal medicine from a child once on your travels as these restrictions are so limited in geographical scope, it barely matters where you are going! Lastly, I'm afraid that I did the bicarbonate last cycle. I felt like a twat but was going to reveal all when I told you all of my BFP that didn't happen, you know "the only thing I did different was..." you get the picture.

I am not douching anything with bicarb. It is strictly for baking only!

Sorry about sechsfails, we have not attempted and are rapidly moving into safe sechsing territory and I am not sure how keen DH will be. He's been working ridiculously hard and I have made the most of my enforced month off by doing away with folic acid and replacing it with copious amounts of wine. Tis good, except for the slight hangover this morning.

Pleased you're feeling a lot better already euro. But at the muggyness with hot flushes. I am loving the image of undressing in the loo to cuddle with the tiles whoever that was. Oh and YES to inappropriate piercings!

I've been here a long time, but I used to have a different name... I think I joined the second or so thread. Funny to have a look back though!

Thanks for the lap story missM although eek at the bleeding two weeks later. I'll insist on DH doing all the heavy lifting, but I have a tendency to scoop my sizable nephew up whenever I see them (which is all the time).

Well done for the mild to moderate mentalling princess, but I'd recommend stepping away from Dr google now! Just a little longer and there is nothing you can do about any of it now!

Complicated shagweek shenanigans purple, I hope all will become clear and if in doubt, just shag more.

Very restrained of you not to nab the little person's antibiotics, nelly but clearly you need them more! Maybe purple can indeed share some out amongst us - you could pick them up on honeymoon! Sorry for the UTIs, gin and sarlat. My GP used to claim they were to do with unprotected sechsing, when I did not do that, he wouldn't believe me but YAY for ABs.

Curious what your period will tell you from Athens, joycep. And it would be quite hilarious if this is what it takes - and the economy would get a nice boost!

Guess we should add containers with various bodily fluids to the birds&bees outfit for That Wedding

Btw is clotting the new thing carrie and gin as I have had only a single not entirely normal result and that was too many thrombocytes (but as it was close to the normal range they were not too concerned) but I have read stuff about it, somewhere...

Quick waves to oldies pout and mrsd and all the others on here!!

Bless you for douching purple and I do remember where you're from, just wasn't going to repeat that in front of everyone...

at lemon I didn't tell Mr Purple bout the douch, instead I tell him that "other people" sent periods at Athens to which he has taking a surprising unnatural interest.

He has taken, rather..

Shag week started for me yesterday as well (CD9) now that DH is finally playing along nicely. It took seeing the results of his SA before he would accept any kind of focused SWI. He just assumed that "whenever we are in the mood" (which isn't that often when you have a broken back) would suffice but thankfully he's on board now and we've got a schedule (his suggestion ). EOD from CD7-CD11 and then ED from CD12-16 (I usually OV around CD16). Ideally it's EOD after that for the rest of the month but I doubt that will ever happen.

I'm not totally convinced the Dermoid did affect fertility now that we know the main fertility issue lies with DH. It was found around 5 years ago during a routine ultrasound but was told that since it was small I didn't have to have it removed if I didn't want to so I didn't. I was also told it shouldn't have any affect on my fertility. Fast forward to last year, I switched gynos and she found out that it wasn't that small and that it could be strangling the ovary. When I had my hormones checked, they found elevated Androstendione levels (not significantly elevated but higher than normal) which is produced by the ovary. At that point, since we had failed to conceive and I wasn't always able to detect my OV, we assumed the dermoid was causing the ovary to over produce androstendione which, in turn, suppressed OV and that was why we hadn't conceived yet.

That was before we had DH tested, now I don't know if it was ever the reason but I'm glad to be rid of it. In the end it was around 4.5cm and the surgery to have it removed was relatively minor and while they were in there, they were able to see that everything else looked ok. We even had a name for my alien and blamed him whenever chocolates and treats went missing in the house (happens a lot in our hosue) :o

Morning everyone!

Welcome to MissM. Your poor DH, a broken back?! You made me with the tight pants routine. I hope they were leopard print. FWIW my DP does all the things you're not supposed to do for sperm quality despite or perhaps because of my massive disapproval - cycling in those hideous padded bum pants; super-hot baths; Calvins rather than boxers; bucketloads of coffee - but both his SAs have been fine. Like Princess says I don't think there is conclusive research to show that tight pants have any impact on sperm quality so perhaps just sit back and enjoy the show . Alternatively the leaflet in my box of ludicrously fecking expensive preseed is advertising a "scrotum cooling patch". Seriously. Bag of frozen peas, anyone? The leaflet also says "Warning: pre-seed is not a contraceptive". NO SHIT.

Euro well done on making the decision to quit and I'm glad you're feeling better. A second puberty, good god the first was bad enough though i agree with whoever said you should shock the docs with a radical piercing or two

Care it's interesting that your TCM diagnosis matched your conventional one. I think a few of us on here have been told similar things through acu/TCM. I'm yang deficient too and damp and cold apparently, though the acu has made no difference whatsoever. How did your OH get on with a GP appointment for anti-Bs? I would join in the Greek odyssey but for the fact that Mr A is not only woo resistant but GP-resistant generally and the chance of me getting him to take anti-Bs for two months if the tests were to show anything up are pretty much zero.

Joycep did the post office make you fill in a customs form with the content and approximate value of your parcel?!

Sarlat hope your UTI is sorted, hurrah for the magic drugs!

Pout hurrah for the positive ov test. I have stressed about follie size too. My first clomid cycle was the only one I have been monitored on. I had a 24mm follie on cd12 and didn't get a positive OPK until two days later. It must have been enormous by the time it popped. They said I did ov that cycle as the prog test was "consistent with ovulation" and they could see the corpus luteum on the next scan but the nurse who scanned me on day 12 did say that if a follie gets too big sometimes you don't ov and it turns into a cyst. Another one for the list of things to menkul about.

Princess have a gentle sympathetic kipper slap and step away from the hobnobs for at least another few days... Spotting is the most horrible headfuck. Out of interest, how often do you need to see your nutritionist in person? I am thinking more and more that I want to seriously try the diet stuff before going for IVF but I would need support from someone who knows what they're talking about. If I try to do it myself I am just randomly experimenting and have no idea if I'm doing the right thing and consequently my willpower collapses after about a week. The nearest fertility nutritionist I can find via google is over an hour away but that wouldn't be a problem if I don't need to actually see them regularly.

Carrie hope the docs can find a solution to your kidney probs and that it makes the difference for you. I'm sure having other health problems can't be helping with TTC.

Critter hope you're having a lovely time with your sister and the strawberry margaritas

Purple I sometimes think temping causes more confusion than it's worth. My chart's a hopelessly unhelpful zigzag this month. I was at the reaction your DH got over the conception vits in Geneva... and the 'babies come when they're ready' comment.

Nelly and Euro I have been given a cake recipe that requires bicarbonate of soda so guess what's now residing in my cupboard... . I trawled back through the last thread and the poster was on her last cycle before trying clomid. She was told to douche with bicarb to combat acidic mucus that was killing the sperm. If anyone is interested the recipe was 1 pint tepid water, 1 tbsp bicarb, 50ml syringe. I may try it though I'm not sure i'll tell DP for fear of creating another sechsfail, though to be fair to him our failures are seldom mechanical, more a failure of will which generally manifests as inability to remain awake for long enough to actually dtd . He did stay awake last night prodding him in the eyes worked a treat so shag week has officially begun chez Artemis. I have reached the point of thinking the whole thing is hopeless. Nelly I'm getting marginally freaked out now by how similar we are particularly when you mentioned you'd spent a long time not actually wanting kids... for many years having children was not even on my radar and getting pg would have been a disaster. Ironically that was back in the day when the men I went out with just wanted to shag ALL the time. How things change

Thanks for info regarding alien MissM I was shocked and swore that if Mr Purple told anyone while it was still in me he would have hell to pay. He, on the other hand, seemed to feel the alien was a great addition to the Purple household. I'm surprised by the version of the story you got. I was told they must be removed because are heavy and can cause problems even if small but most importantly because they don't stop growing so even if you have a small one it will be big at some point.

By the way, your schedule looks ambitious but perhaps that's just me

Oops x-posted with just about everyone. at the bicarb Purple. I feel marginally less of a nutjob now.

I'm going to have to google dermoids too... sounds like something that would be mates with R2D2?!

Artemis I repeat, they have teeth.

Just to add to the discussion about dermoid aliens, I had never heard of them before but a good friend had one removed last week. Hers was HUGE and freaky. And I googled too much around it and I have to admit to feeling slightly sick in the stomach when confronted with the pictures soon after breakfast. But the cysts with fetal material in them are even scarier...

Lemon imagine you finally get fertility tests after years of TTC, they find no answers. But they find this. (of course your younger sister is pregnant at the time). Yeh that was me.