TTC for 10+ months, part 8

[eurochick]

A friendly, supportive thread for those taking a blooming long time to conceive!

Joycep sorry to hear about the witch's arrival. I think immunes is a good plan.

care it sounds like the embies are doing well.

princess you might be on a hormonal/post-booze come-down. I'm sure you'll feel better in a day or two.

Welcome back purple. I like the new name!

Doll I haven't been using FF this month. No temping, no POAS and no regular checking of CM. I will go back to using it next month. Contrary to all the 'RELAX' advice I now feel very disorientated. DH told me that I need to address my stress. And I asked him how? And there was no answer. I think it has something to do with ones 'inward journey' in the words of the yoga teacher. I need to learn to let go. How come I can let go before 2ww? And now, oh and now I'm questioning if I ov'd. If I have excess estrogen. And wondering when my ERTD will turn up. Yes I am a control freak and happy to admit it. At least over the last couple of months I knew where I was. I'll join you on putting pregnancy down to crossed fingers and witch craft. Still if I had been alive in Tudor times, I would have been rolled down a hill in a barrel for bareness. Thank heavens for small mercies.

X post Euro - Thanks Euro you are probably right. I did feel like shit yesterday morning and I didn't indulge on Saturday. In fact I was saintly and exercised. But I'm sure I will feel better tomorrow. I'm sure feeling today has something to do with too much yesterday. I plan to go swimming tonight and make soup. Plus it's cloudy and I was planning on enjoying some sun today. Grey skies and hungover hormonal days are the worst. Sorry to be a moaning minnie today.

oh yes Princess i forgot you were not temping this month, sorry, my mistake. I can understand that it must be disorienting, it would be for me. I temp CD 7 to dpo 3 then leave it. It's the balance that 'works' for me (as much as anything does). Hugs again.

buzzy as annoying as the MIL seems it does sound like she means well. It sounds more like tactlessness than malice which is definitely the preferable option amoung MILs

princess courgette and lemon loaf sounds nice and sounds like it might fit into my diet as well. I do eat some dairy but no refined carbs (ideally). What kind of flour are you using? Let me know how it turns out. Also sorry you had a rough night last night, sounds like a combination of a few things that triggered the underlying issues to come out. You'll feel better when you get back on your plan.

Also, if you'd have been alive during Tudor times you'd have been having babies at 18. Back then we were probably all perfectly fertile, not to mention how drastically male fertility has gone down even in the last few decades. I can only imagine how fertile men used to be before we started ingesting so many chemicals.

Gin boo to CD1, I guess we'll be cycle buddies (sort of). Hope you enjoyed your CD1 party guilt free! My CD1 ended up being mostly spotting for 3 days so I'm going to officially call today CD1 as it was mostly just sludge over the weekend. Temps came back down yesterday and AF started in earnest today.

care great news on the 6 embies! Lots of luck and strength to you.

pout good news on the follicles.

sarlat I don't think I've ever had any fluttering feeling in my womb and I have never been PG. Fx something good is happening in there.

joyce sorry to hear you'll be my cycle buddy too :( I had some renewed hope this weekend as well when instead of coming on full force like normal, AF decided to trickle in a la implantation bleeding. New cycle, new hope.

doll welcome back new and improved you :)

I wanted to add to whoever was thinking about the name Faith that I checked with my friend and in addition to having a Faith, a Hope and Grace, there is also a Chastity, Charity and a Joy. Split between 2 mothers (who are sisters) who passed the tradition on to their daughters.

We're experiencing Olympic fever over here and DH was even considering flying into London for the weekend to watch a couple of events as they seem to have released some more tickets for the Athletics. It would work out to about ?1000 per person which we just couldn't justify with flying on holiday next week anyway. Too bad though. Looking forward to the swimming tonight and leaving work early to watch men's gymnastics tonight.

Hi MissM enjoy the olympics tonight after work. Sorry to hear about ERTD now in full force. That's rubbish. Thanks for your kind words. You are totally right about the horrid chemicals all around us - since looking into everything it I'm absolutely disgusted at what we are subjected to. Usually because of corporate greed. I have never had these feelings before about anything before. Another one to add to the hormone imbalance mentalling list - fake tan. I had a spray tan on my birthday last year (I know, I know) but hadn't had any sorts of dalliances with fake tan for a long time. Although I used to smother myself in St Tropez (sometimes twice weekly) at university and throughout early twenties, until someone told me I looked like an umpa lumpa and that the kind of boys I was after really don't like the smell of biscuits / peanuts rubbed all over them like some strange scenting ritual Anyway, turns out that most fake tan incude loads of nasties that can cause cancer and infertility Fan tan

I use einkorn flour in cakes and sieve it really, really well. The recipe looks like this and is dead simple and tastes really, really nice (it worked out well)

200g (7 oz) grated courgette
150g (5 oz) raw organic agave syrup
1 egg
125ml (4 fl oz) olive oil
200g (7 oz) einkorn flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon bicarbonate of soda
1/4 teaspoon baking powder
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
2 teaspoons lemon zest

I should have added walnuts into it too as this would have given me the protein balance, but I forgot. I will try that next time.

1.Preheat oven to 160 C / Gas mark 3. Grease a loaf tin.

1. In a bowl, beat together the courgette, syrup, egg and oil. In a separate bowl, sift together the flour, salt, bicarbonate of soda and baking powder; stir in the cinnamon and lemon zest. Stir the flour mixture into the courgette mixture just until blended. Pour the batter into the prepared tin.
2. Bake 45 minutes in the preheated oven until a knife inserted in the centre comes out clean. Remove from heat and cool about 10 minutes before turning out onto a wire rack to cool completely.

The non brown version includes caster sugar instead of agave, white flour and vegetable oil.

joycep Sorry about AF - hope you are okay. It is strange that you got those sharp pains. I am becoming increasingly hung up on immunes again. Like you I am wondering whether beans simply aren't sticking. The more positive test results that come back the more I think this. You don't tend to POAS early doors either do you? Maybe you could to get an idea of what might be happening. I have bought some cheapies this month off Amazon for this purpose.

Sarlat I am envious of your antiques fair jaunt and upcycled furniture purchase. At risk of outing myself a little I do a bit of upcycling using decoupage. Sounds naff but I like it.
As for flutterings I have come across this a lot as a pregnancy symptom. I haven't experienced it. Why can't our bodies do something in the 2ww that leaves us in no doubt that we are/aren't pregnant?

Buzzy Rooting for you that you don't have wind and instead have implantation cramps!

Doll Welcome back stranger! Hoping that you are feeling a bit more cheered. Like your name too BTW!

Euro I agree that I definitely had a strong reaction to the drug. Not unexpected though that is thanks to the ladies on this board, not the hospital. They led me to believe that side effects were very rare and not very significant in the rare cases they do occur! The doctor was even a bit reticent about acknowledging that it was the Clomid that has made me the size of a pit pony. I had to really push the point that it isn't usual for me to go up a dress size in three days.

princess Sorry to hear that you have the TTC wobbles. I seem to get a massive fit of TTC rage/throw toys out of the pram mid way through the 2ww too. I wonder whether it is in part hormonal and part just a reaction to the mentalling of the 2ww.
BTW MrP keeps telling me to chill out and that I'm doing myself no favours with stress levels this high. He suggested meditation.....cue tumbleweed and vacant look on my face. I suggested to him that it isn't meditation I need, I just need his mother and my own to act like decent and normal human beings for once & to stop making me so bloody angry all the time. The result of that was that we has a massive argument and my stress levels peaked again puts whale music in the CD player

Can I ask the ladies who have done Super Ovulation about what happens next? I thought that I knew but have realised that I don't have a clue Will the large follies pop on their own or will they need a trigger shot? If I don't have the trigger shot in time will it mean that only the very biggest follie will spring forth as dominant and the rest will recede? I ask because the doc wanted me to go back to the hospital on Tues but MrP couldn't make it and we had to book Wednesday instead. I am paranoid that we might miss the crucial trigger shot window and just get a normal 1 egg ovulation. In which case the last couple of weeks of hell would have been in vain and I might therefore have to combust with rage

Thanks for the recipe princess I will be trying that. Will let you know how it goes.

There seems to be a lot of CD1s around. Rubbish, rubbish, rubbish. It's interesting that some of you think that some months something happens because I've never had that feeling which would make sense because there isn't any sperm that can make it to meet an egg, so I really think no fertilisation has ever happened for me. Big to gin, missm and joycep and anyone else I've missed.

buzzy where did you order the pine bark from? DH is nearly getting to the end of his, but I got it in Holland and Barratt when I was in the uK so I'm looking for an internet supplier now.

care wow, go embies go. I think the finger might be hovering over you. Enjoy your couple of days. When will you have the transfer? Re. twins, my friend says she's been asked a few times if they were ivf. I think more so because they're obviously non-identical. They look very different. Also, she goes to a twins club and she has mentioned that quite a few of the mums there had ivf so it must be something they talk about. She's a great advert for twins. She had a very smooth pregnancy, and made it to 38 weeks. She is very laid back and on the surface makes it look easy. I'm not sure if she's just very good at painting the glossy side though.

rabbit loved your tragic story!

doll love the new name, lets hope it lucky for us all on this thread.

princess I totally understand the bad days stuff. We all get them. You will get there, I know it and I know you'll be a fab mum. To have stuck to that brown diet and all those yucky supplements takes a will of steel and the only just reward would be a squidgy baby.

pout ohhh, 3?? If you get triplets, could we share?

I'm somewhere post ovulation, I'm on CD21 so another 10 days til AF. I feel strangely calm about everything. We've got the inlaws coming, then we go on holiday for 2 weeks so I'm trying to put baby stuff out my mind for a bit. The autumn is when it's going to happen. I'm going to see if I can get an appointment for september at the clinic. I really, really want to be pregnant by Christmas. I know I shouldn't set goals but I can't help it.

I forgot to say, I liked the Olympics opening ceremony. It made me feel all nostalgic for the UK. Only the British could add humour to the Olympics even if it left the rest of the world a bit puzzled.

princess - sorry about your weepiness. I have so much hope for you, i really do. You know that it is normal to get ewcm 5 days post ovulation? I don?t know whether that ties in with anything. Yes how can we handle our stress more? That?s the million dollar question. Too much wine really doesn?t help either ? it affects sleep and I?m always particularly teary after a few too many.

care - glad your embies are still going strong. It?s your time now . Have a lovely relaxing time off. Out of interest when did you first do ivf...was it after several years of trying? And you?re right ? this is all like putting a puzzle together.

pout - i think i have mentioned this immunes stuff to you before because you have the weird cramping every now and then before AF plus your bloods, progesterone, egg reserve are excellent, you have no endo and MrPout?s swimmers are fine. Also is it you who has auto immune issues? Anway I wish the NHS would get their heads around immunes but I guess it?s just opening up another can of worms, it?s probably easier for them to not believe in them. Is it possible for you to get NK cells tested do you think? [Of course all this may not be necessary as your super ov may work and triplets may be on the cards!]
There is no point me poas early as i didn?t get a positive until 17dpo last time. I did test yesterday mind you but it was more a psychological thing really so I would stop myself mentalling. I prefer just to think that I?m not pregnant rather than to think I maybe and poas seems to help me manage my expectations. That was the first test in nearly a year and I did laugh at the ridiculousness of it as I know in my heart that I can?t get pregnant without help now. Anyway as you have a nice long LP, it would be a good thing to see if you can spot any faint lines.

mrsd ? i?m glad you are feeling calm about everything. And glad you enjoyed the opening ceremony. I went to watch the beach volleyball over at Horse Guards on Sat. Women in their bikinis but the men had tops on and baggy shorts....what?s that about? They should be topless with tight trunks on please.

Ah ladies, thank you so much for your kind words and cheering today. FF told me that EWCM (as did Joy) is normal after ovulation. Just the corpus luteum kicking out some estrogen. We DTD yesterday morning to be on the safe side. I think the booze and over indulgence have a lot to do with the pooness today. I've just enjoyed a slice of the brown cake and a nice cuppa and I'll be winding up work soon. Not so much to do at work at the moment and a viewing at 5pm.

Pout Sorry about the water retention. And the mentalling about having to change appointment days. Gah! Fist shaking and tongue poking and flicking of birds to the fertility gods, who appear to have gone on holiday. Maybe they holiday like academics? Perhaps there will be a flurry of activity in September? Impressed at the decoupage! Oh and don't get me started on the relaxing, you need to 'address your stress'. There is a 3 hour yoga workshop on Saturday called De-Stress Yoga. I think I may attend. I'm also going to go swimming once I've bought today's vegetables and done the second viewing. And then I may do some of the mindfulness book. I can only hope that keeping busy and tired and by releasing some happy exercise chemicals will help. But I do rather think I'll be just as strung out regardless of activities. It's like living with a brain parasite. Crapness aside, I really hope that this is your month and then you won't have to worry about any more appointments or whether or not you continue with the devils juice.

Doll you made me with your turkey AND baster comment. Ha!

Joy I think you're right about the wine thing. I've had 4 months of being ok-ish and I think I just have to keep consumption to a glass very infrequently. Last week was a week of indulgence and trying to 'forget' but it doesn't seem to have worked very well. On another note, it's not good enough to put male volleyball players in baggies. Speedo's please!

MrsD Thank you for your kind words. The brown diet does seem to do good things to my body. Having been lax over the last week I'm going to go back to the strict regime. Do Holland and Barrett have an on-line delivery service? We buy some of our supplements from the health food supermarket over the road (it's been a god send to have a supplier of all things brown so close!) and they sell a very reputable brand of vits called Viridian. I've checked for you and to see what pine bark does and whether I should shovel some down DH and they do pine bark - www.viridian-nutrition.com/shop/High-Potency-Pycnogenol-50mg-P511.aspx amongst other supplements. I might have to order some of the male fertility vits for my OH. He's on zinc and fish oil at the moment but it can't do any harm to stick him on a multi vit (that includes some of the magical pine bark! I still have to take 12 tablets a day, he can join in on my party.

princess big hugs, sorry you are feeling low, be kind to your self I wouldn't worry too much about EWCM, I personally don't trust my body and the signals it gives me, I don't get any EWCM around ovulation and Mr S wasn't worried and just advised me to use preseed, I get it before and after but not around ov

joycep I would suggest if you can get a blood test it might tell you if your HCG has risen, I'm still at the price thing, I agree about the beach volley ball

care I was feeling like a demon last Saturday when Mr B wasn't in the mood and I yelled at him that he would send me bankrupt with all this SO costs every month and his lack of ability just to do ONE simple thing funnily enough he was in the mood the next day. Enjoy your days away :)

akua Sorry to here your woes, big hugs, I don't think Mr B is interested in any of this I think he is happy for me to talk to you all then to talk to him about it
at Two of the words were turkey and baster

medusa I'm a very patient person, helps in my line of work, I work with elderly people with cognitive issues and dementia, she annoys Mr B as she will ask him the same thing week in week out, surely you listen to what your son is saying ??, I spoke to this girl on Wednesday, she told me that MIL didn't visit in the end she did have another friend who could have visited her and comforted her but she said she was already expecting MIL. I was fecking furious about this and just shows that MIL has no consideration at all, this poor girl spent the day alone crying, as someone who has been in this situation, it totally broke my heart. I don't have any family here and don't speak to my parents, I don't expect MIL to take their place, but I do expect her to show me compassion, respect and understanding, I don't think that is too much to ask for... and breathe.......

pout what CD will you be on Wednesday and when do you OV?? my first 2 SO's I didn't use the trigger, they will pop if they are the right size, what were your follie measurements???, if you can get in and have the scan then do sooner rather than later if possible, are you able to get there without Mr P, they will tell you when to jab yourself and then to shag 24-48 hours after that. Oh and it stays in your body for about 10 days so no early testing

mrsd I got it off amazon, thats usually my first port of call, its not cheap though, if you can't order it I don't mind sending it to you, I too feel calm, i'm on CD 20

not much to report still got cramps and funny pains but think this down to the HCG trigger shot, my boobs are still sore, they say 10 days before it should be out of your system but I wonder if it will take longer for me, it took 4 weeks to get the HCG out of my system after my miscarriages, i want to test on Friday 12dpo before I shell out ££££££££ for my drugs, and need a weekend delivery, why is life never simple

Wow 3 follies pout, that's great! I'd take triplets right now. And I am sure you aren't the size of a pit pony, although you did make me . I'm sure weds will be fine for your appt. Are you swi.ing just in case?!

joy sorry to hear about cd1. Oddly, like you I had really bad pain on Friday and had to go home early from work. I decided it was def period pain in my case and popped some neurofen, and sure enough AF started the next day. Do get your immunes checked out. At my ivf clinic they put you on the immuno suppressant stuff, no matter what.

Hello doll nice name change!

Sorry to hear about proper cd1 missm. We are indeed basically cycle buddies. I too had some menkuling, as I had some ewcm on thurs, with a dash of brown in it. Appears to be a pre period thing for me now but whyyy does it have to be so like the infamous implantation bleed??

princess there is no way any egg could have escaped your shagging! As your first proper 2ww after all your hard work, this one was always going to be hard. Be kind to yourself. You will get there one day. I suspect if it was olden days I'd have been outcast as a barren/shagged the local village idiot to get preggers!

mrsd my new mental pregnancy goal is by the time I'm 35, so aug next year. And then we give up or steal a baby. I say that, but don't really see how I could ever really give up, gulp.

care yay for your embies developing so nicely. The finger will find you I'm sure. Am impressed at you going away for a few days. It was all I could do to slump on the sofa!

sar flutterings eh? Fx the big finger is fluttering near you!

euro hope your commute has been ok today.

Hi to everyone else.

I'm feeling much better than yesterday, which was not a good day. Mostly cos of hormones and stupid pregnancy dream! It felt so shit waking up and realising that I wasn't preggers and may never be. Anyway, work and packing for the south of France helped me to snap out of it. Tonight I have the pleasure of going through a rubbish bag of old piss sticks and guinea pig poo to check my lottery ticket! Stupidly didn't realise the millionaire draw was a separate thing and mr gin is making me check.

X post buzzy! I think there is a calculation somewhere on the net that allows you to work out when the hcg has gone, depending on dose etc. next time I do ivf, I'm peeing on a stick just to see what a positive looks like! Yep I am mental. Fx for you, as cramps sound like a good sign.

gin i'm pretty sure I read 10 days i'm just confused as to why my boobs still hurting, perhaps I should stop poking them hope you found your winning ticket

Loving the Tudor talk. Shame history-savy Artemis is sunning herself rather than coming up with some words of wisdom very selfish I know shit about Tudors, but I'm putting my money here - babies at 15 years and if that didn't kill us, something horrid likely would have by 30. Oh hey and we risk our lives at childbirth a bunch of times as Tudor babies likely had a rubbish tendancy to pop off too. Off to apply some fan tan

buzzy I get you on the bankrupt/one simple thing issue. Though I can't claim a version invloving money, as I'm currently employing the cheapo useless method; one simple thing seems to be becoming more of an issue here. Dispite the glance at MN (we were trying to figure out internet connection issues over a week ago) I have seen a nose dive in enagement with the details to this whole thing over the past week. There are lots of issues outside of TTC which have made this a tough week not least the not sleeping which is a total nightmare, so perhaps its just that. I thing is though, I can't just say 'oh well next month' on any real level. Last night I sat in the dark (another power cut) mentalling over whether I was really 1dpo or whether I should try for one extra shag. Anyway only the mentalling happened and I kept it to myself. Part of the reason for the extra stress is that I'm another goal setter and my current end point is only one more cycle away. Just learnt that we have a house guest over the next shag week, honestly could not be more prefectly timed. At current shag-status a house guest will just push us, well him, one step too far. Meh.

Pout hospital tomorrow is it? Very best of luck. Can't help on the Super issue due to above mentioned cheapo/useless method (preceded by head in the sand method).

Gin on 10+ers fertility island. I'm guessing that's going ahead then?

Hello lovely ladies!

Sorry I have been AWOL, we had lovely weekend at the beach followed by manic working, followed by being glued to the telly for gymnastics and swimming last night. I got inspired and been for an early morning swim, about twice as slow as the 15-yr old gold medalist

I am sorry you've had a low patch princess although I do think the fertility gods should get their ass in gear and award some wins. And you get one for effort. Pout gets three for greediness , as far as I know the follies will pop on their own, but adding the trigger means you know the timing, so there will be SWlotsandlotsofI. I had trigger shots for my unmedicated IUIs, and will have one this cycle. But that just makes IUI-planning easier for them, I guess. Ovidrel shot departure was in 10 days buzzy. But they told me not to test until 16dpo (otherwise known as cd2/3 in the lemon household).

Sorry life is stressful and the helpline of MN is unavailable purpledoll. Also sorry about the CD1s. Too many of them. Mugs of tea and not-necessarily-brown-proof cake to all of you gin, MissM &others.

As to goal setting Xmas (mrsd) and 35th (gin). I try not too. I just passed the have a baby before I am 34 milestone. But I have to admit the thought of another Xmas with smug SIL (with 6 month old) and no baby for us yet is too horrid to contemplate. We might flee the country...

On that happy note, I am going to love you and leave you. Because work is calling loudly!

Morning, morning

Well I am feeling much better today. I put it down to a virtuous brown day yesterday and swimming 50 lengths of the pool, which is something I haven't done for years and years. I think I may have to up my exercise as it seems to be helping the head loads. It also makes me so tired (as soo unfit these days) that I can't think about anything other than aching legs and arms. Thank you for being so lovely to me yesterday. It means a lot. Gin, thank you for pointing out our egg hunting activities. I've had a little look at the sneaky records I've been keeping of good egg hunting and we've kept up EOD with the exception of missing one of the EOD's (assumed post ov) from exhaustion of ED over anniversary break for 5 days. I've told OH that EOD is to continue until ERTD appears. Consultant's orders No complaints, which is a good thing.

Doll sorry to hear about power cuts and rubbish intermittent internet. Oh FFS about house guest. And I'm convinced that mentalling will never leave. Like a gnat bite. When you're distracted it doesn't itch and then as soon as you try to sleep / see it / feel it it itches and itches and there's nothing you can do about it until it's completely gone. I think TTC is the same. Sorry to hear that you are so close to your end point. I've been thinking about this recently. Where is my cut off? I don't think I'll ever give up until I hit menopause. That's around about the age of 50. So as I don't want to spend the next 20 years mentalling I think I need to deal with the coping side of this better.

Gin I hope you are feeling much better today. Hormones are rubbish. Yay holiday! J'adore le Sud de la France. Je suis assez jaloux! Did you find the ticket? Are you are millionairess? I didn't win a penny and had two lots of numbers on and everything. Hey ho. I'm still convinced I'll win the lottery one day i dreamt that I was arrested at an airport for having a bag of speed in my luggage. My mum was but I was let of with a first time warning and then I woke up and everything was fine. I think we've been watching too much Border Force / Traffic Cops on telly....

Buzzy FX for testing. What drugs are they giving you next? You actually made me feel a bit with your talk of testing because I hadn't thought about when my period was due (feel like the 2ww will go on forever) and I've just figured it will be Saturday or Sunday if following recent patterns, although I suspect it will be later this month - just to fuel some more mentalling. Big eye roll at your MIL - you can't let people down like that! FFS!!!!

Big, well small waves from achy princess arms to everyone. Hope everyone has a lovely day today :)

X post lemon snap with the swimming. We watched the swimming last night because we know someone related to one of Team GB and thought we had better show some support... it made me think that it took me just under 50 mins in the slow lane to swim 50 x 25m lengths. Much, much slower. Hey ho! Xmas is horrid and always a double whammy for me as my birthday is 29/12. And then the due date of my 2nd MC would have been 03/01. Looks up to the fertility gods with big eyes, bats lashes, drops to knees, clasps hands together, offers to kiss feet and pleads that this year I will have a baby in my belly rather than just too much turkey and wine. Pretty pretty pretty please

WEll done for exercising, princess. You did more lengths than me [impressed emoticon] and I ahve achy everything. I upped my exercise too, which makes me feel better in the head and much worse in the body .

Yeah buzzy what are you moving onto? Don't you start most of them at cd3 or so? Could you wait and see whether AF arrives and order then?

Phew I might have done less lengths but a little faster . It was a pre-clinic-pre-work trip to the pool, so I only had about half an hour... I have lots of follies doing not a lot at the moment (biggest 2 nearly 10mm).

Did I say I was going to work? Well, I think I might have lied I really cannot be bothered!

I was in the slow lane, which was annoying because it was so slow but there were some very splashy idiot men in the faster lanes and I didn't want them swimming up my crack! I'm not fussed about going fast. I just wanted to get out and do something. I'm doing a slower yoga than I used to as well. Impressed that you got in a swim before work. That would never happen here!! What day are you on again? Lots of follies is good though isn't it?

Early morning swimming happens occasionally and then I have a really slow day at work, as I am proving now by being on MN. I used to swim loads and do a session or two before school every week (as well as some over the weekend). Then rowing took over and I got used to getting up at stupid o'clock most of the week. Meeting DH (and injuries) put a stop to that. But I am finding it quite hard to go out and do stuff after a long day at work, whereas getting up is not too difficult. And I am trying to become a little fitter and get my BMI back down below 25 before we go for IVF (end of the year, probably).