TTC for 10+ months, part 8

[eurochick]

A friendly, supportive thread for those taking a blooming long time to conceive!

pout as you are 12dpo the line can get darker as the hormones get stronger, come on you fat lazy finger she does do group counselling, perhaps a faux surrey support group, she really is great

carrie forgot to say I had lots of blood tests with the RMC, I have high nk cells

Hi everyone, sorry to have been awol - nothing exciting to report here. Just wanted to give commiserations and gentle tail feather strokes to those of you who've been having a particularly shitty time of it recently. carrie and euro, I'm thinking of you two, although I know everyone is still in the 'shit boat'.

I was reading one of my favourite lifestyle blogs on Friday and stumbled across a post on infertility. The blogger, who is Mormon, took two years to conceive her son. I am not religious but she pointed out that all the strong female characters in the Old Testament deal with infertility and the suffering that it causes. I guess it made me feel a little better that this sadness is something that women have wrestled with for hundreds of years (and glad that I live in the age of at least having medical options, even if they haven't done any good yet). Anyway - slightly off topic, but thought you guys might be interested.

Evening

The northern meet up was lovely - just what Dr mumsnet ordered. We nattered away for hours and it was such a relief to talk to people who 'totally get it'. Big thank you to Artemis for organising.

They say strike whilst the irons hot so I am going to propose another northern meet up in September / October ish. Any takers?

Joyce and Pout - I can't believe you mum's comments. It must be that they can't think what to say. But I'm sorry that you have this on top of everything else.

Pout - I have done the OPK thing in the 2ww too. And like you had a faint positive which got me very excited - sadly for me it came to nothing but I seem to remember the LH thing being in the system before AF coming. But - it aint over as they say......Have my fingers crossed.

Carrie - really sorry for you bad bad day. Goodness me, what a cruel abrupt way to send you on your way. As soon as I read that you had en eptopic pregnancy in the past, I immediatly thought "lap / HSG / tubal treatment". I know IVF isn't an option for you guys but there may be other treatment options. And, your body has conceived and given birth to your daughter so there is a good chance history will want to repeat itself. Good luck and keep pushing for those tests.

Rabbitt - O my gosh - I am really really excited for you. From the "outside looking in", things seem like they are going to be ok. So 18% chance of pregnancy by Christmas you say? Well that is less than 6 months away. So your odds are near 40% chance of pregnancy in a year. If someone told me I had those odds, I would be fairly pleased - a bit impatient about it maybe but it's a bit of a confidence boost - non? Also, don't forget that the 18% your Dr quoted relates to the typical lady - not to a Rabbitt named-mumsnet googling-healthy eating-conception aware-lovely lady like yourself. Surely by knowing what you know and living a good TTC lifestlye that bumps your figures up by a few more %???? . I'm not trying to belittle everything you have been through (My God you have been through the mill and then some) but I can see a massive chink of light here. I do relate to everything you have said about hating Dr's and hospitals and feeling fearful. Since my tubal problems were discovered in January, I have become scared of any mention of my tubes at the clinic and I am petrified during scans waiting to hear what else is wrong with them. And I always do get more bad news. Interestingly, I am now wondering if my fears and millions of questions about my tubes have intensified the situation and made the Dr's 'look harder' for problems, which they then tell me about which feeds my fear. I'm not even sure some of the damage is as bad as what they have said. My DH recently told me I have become a hydrochondiract (sp?)- which is true. I fear that damage is occuring inside because it has at some stage and I had no idea. So with my recent UTI - I sobbed one night because I thought it was a PID and that no one was taking me seriously. Rabbitt - I think the universe is saying to leave the medical world behind for now (next few months or year) and focus on yourself. I honestly think the fibroid and tipped womb thing may have contributed to your previous failed attempts - at least now the fibroid has gone and the other stuff is not a total barrier to conception. Be kind to yourself - there is lots of reason to be hopeful, I promise.

LadyG - was lovely to meet you - have a fab and well deserved holiday and I'll PM when you get back.

Princess - that's excellent feedback from the Dr. Enjoy the next few months -you have worked so hard.

Well the ewcm has thankfully made an appearance - I think it was just a case of slightly delayed ovulation. So it is swi time at Sarlat towers. The main reason for my concern was that I need to demonstrate good, regular cycles which look like my hormones are working smoothly to give both me and the clinic confidence that doing natural FET is the way forward.

On the subject of EWCM, I noticed that the day it showed up co-incided with feeling better / less doomy. These hormones can really mess with our moods can't they.

Glad to see I have started a baby carrott revolution. . I found it most effecting when I ate them from about day 5 onwards until ovulation. I'd be really interested to know if anyone else notices success with this too?

carrie my GP did day 3 and 21 bloods (and included a general blood screen alongside the first one for thyroid function, blood sugar, etc.) plus an SA for Mr euro. Fertiltiy clinic did a rubella test, tv ultrasound, HSG and another SA. And then I got my diagnosis of unexplained and a referral for IVF (the IVF clinic did more tests - chlymidia swab, another u/s, another SA, HIV and Hep blood tests for both of us).

If I were you, I would go back to the gp and push for a gynae referral for the endo.

buzzy I hope the cry was therapeutic.

I'm feeling permanently anxious at the moment. I went for a run yesterday. I wasn't even pushing myself that hard and my heart rate went 3 points higher than the highest it has ever been in 18 months of running with a heart rate monitor! This really is all just shyte. I'm going out with my closest old friend tomorrow to get drunk and shake my fist at the universe and the pile of crap hand it has dealt me.

Mr euro is being lovely though. As the main cook in the house, he is on a mission to heal me through vitamins. He obviously read the same stuff I did on the web about how to help your immune system fight off HPV because he came home from the supermarket with everything in the antioxident cookbook, including blueberries, broccoli, pomegranate, green tea, etc. I can't believe I spent about £2000 testing and then suppressing my immune system, taking drugs that caused insomnia and all sorts, and now I am frantically trying to reverse all of that and build my immune system back up! I want my NK cells to come back to kick the HPV and then feck off so I can get pg!

Buzzy - hellooo - glad you are back on new cycle tracking. I'm pleased you find the counselling helpful - and crying is 100% a good thing. How many cycles of this will you do?

Thanks all for your repsonses. I haven't a clue what any of my blood tests said other than I ovulate which I knew already.
Euro sounds great that you have a plan to get back to better health
Hello to Medusa, critter, pout, atremis, buzzy, sarlat and rabbit.
I am back at GP tomorrow to get my referral to gyne and it will be the man who has treated me at age 19, my ectopic at 24 and came into the operating theatre when I had surgery after having my DD so really I am glad its him. I trust him as he stopped me having my womb removed at 19. He's not magic but he used to really listen to me and took his time to explain things. He told me that only having one tube wasn't as bad as people think as your remaining can move!

Well this is my 4th SO cycle but I had a month off in between so I suppose this really my second, if it works and produces 2 follies then maybe till xmas, I'm on a high dose so i'm hoping it is doing something although i'm not feeling much as in twinges, we'll try this cycle old skool then maybe try iui next cycle, I really enjoy counselling she is so lovely and supportive, what is your next step

I am lost what are nk cells?

Morning lovely ladies.

YAY for the northerly meet and that you were all normal

I have kept up to date by reading, but bloody MN went offline after I typed a massive personalised reply to the thread, last night. So sorry, just jumping back in if that is okay.

Really sorry about your situation carrie and the endo should really be treated (which has beneficial effects on fertility, anyway, but also massively on life!)

I started back at work yesterday, which was fine, if a little knackering. The recovery update (especially for joycep) is that the capacity of more than gold fish like activity came back on Friday, so I did some urgent phone calls for work and then slept like a baby most of the afternoon. On Saturday, the clouds properly lifted and we went to the cinema and the pub :) and Sunday I felt much like my usual self, and I was back rushing around properly. So now I am just a little more tired than usual, and my stitches itch and show no sign of departure, so I might get the nurse to sort them out

Waves and pets and friendliness at all the rest of you, I'll do better from now on.

morning ladies

purple and pout I am a few days behind you cycle wise but am also doing the 'wake up/feel yourself up' autopilot thing and it's tedious... Prodding your own boobs continually throughout the day is not normal. I know the tenderness is PMT because it's happened every bloody month for several decades but that doesn't stop the bit of my brain that still hopes.

Pout I'm grateful for your mum's comment. That's that then. We'll all just stop thinking and it'll be BFPs all round That's the kind of thing my mother would come out with which is one of several reasons she doesn't know we're ttc.

Joycep I hope Athens get their act together! The waiting must be driving you nuts

Princess hurrah for your good news letter and particularly for 'ovulating nicely' Things are looking really positive for you with a lovely anniversary weekend looming and success on the brown diet front. Fingers crossed the fertility gods wake up and spot you, it's about bloody time. And yes I would be up for bridging the north/south divide with a big meet

Buzzy I'm glad the counselling is helping. A 40 minute cry, think we all need to do that once in a while.

Carrie good news on the referral to get your endo sorted out. Re tests, I had the following.
From the GP: full blood count, thyroid test, swabs for STIs, day 21 x 2, SA for Mr A. All normal except for one of the day 21 tests which I am certain was done several days too soon.
At the hospital: day 2-5 blood test, pelvic ultrasound, bloods for chlamydia and rubella antibodies, another SA. All normal. Does my head in that I've been pronounced infertile on the grounds of one day 21 test being a bit out of whack. 5 months of clomid haven't worked so I don't think ovulation is the problem. Waiting to have the hsg to check my tubes, if I can ever get an appointment out of them.

Lemon glad you're healing. Waves and pets, I like that

Sarlat sounding positive on the EWCM front, good that your body is doing what it's meant to. Yes I would be up for a Sept/Oct meet. I shall be ODing on baby carrots the minute I am back from hols!

Euro drinking and shaking your fist sounds like a healthy response. I might join you. Good that Mr Euro is looking after you, he sounds lovely

Rabbit the quality assurance stuff is really interesting and good news - sounds like they have given your womble a clean bill of health? I didn't know cervixes could flip and wombles could move around. I am glad the consultant said to lay off clomid for 6 months. Does this override the previous consultant who wanted you to have it straight away? It really does sound as though you just need time to heal, both physically and emotionally. I have no doubt you have the strength to get through all this - you've gone through a tremendous amount already, I would have been in bits by now if I'd had to deal with what you've experienced - but part of staying strong is recognising when you need time and space to properly heal. Surely what they should be advising now is to recover, stay away from medical procedures and give yourself a bit of time. From my experience of clomid I would say avoid it if you're feeling fragile as the first few months really messed with my mood and it puts on so much added pressure to keep up the swi because you don't dare 'waste' a month. Could you give yourself until the end of the year and start clomid in January if they still think it's the best course of action then?

Critter that blog was really interesting. I'm not religious either but I identified with a lot of the things she said. I was relieved that she said 'not once did I ever relax'. I am a history geek so i am really interested in how infertility has been experienced in the past. We are lucky to live now in that there are treatment options available that weren't around 30 years ago but I do think there is a down side in that involuntary childlessness is no longer so readily accepted as a normal experience. The assumption is that IVF is some sort of magic bullet that sorts everyone out.

I'd better go and achieve something with my day - going on holiday tomorrow , can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to a bit of sunshine. The only down side is AF is due while I'm away which means I have to ring the hospital to do battle with obstructive admin staff try to book my HSG. Again. Oh well, I'm sure I can cope with that in between all the relaxing, reading and eating I plan to do

Waves to everybody, hope it's a good day.

euro I'm not surprised that you are feeling anxious, it is a crappy time for you right now. MrEuro is so lovely taking an interest in your diet like that. It must make you feel less stressed (slightly) to know how much you are obviously loved! It must seem weird to be building up your immune system again! FGS you couldn't make it up

lemons Glad to hear that you are back on the horse after your lap. The stitches are a bummer. Mine didn't dissolve either and MrP had to whip them out while I laid on the couch whimpering and acting like a 2 year old!

buzzy I would love some counselling. Sometimes I think I just need to empty my brain of all this nonsense.

sarlat Hurrah for EWCM. It is interesting that you said it coincided with a mood lift for you. I will keep an eye out for this. I seem to have a double dip depression during AF time. I wonder if it is the start of ovulation that finally lifts my mood too.

I have been eating the carrots post ovulation...typical!

carrie good luck with your GP. I second what Lemons has said about endo needing sorting not just from a fertility point of view but for your general health. How dare some twat of a consultant disregard the apparent "gold standard" of investigative tools and more importantly think that you ought to live with Endo and that it is okay for you to be in pain for days and days a month.

critter thanks for that link to the blog, I will have a little look later.

I am definitely out this cycle. I started to spot a little last night. At 12DPO this is waaaay early for me and I am not impressed. I also have the usual twinges blah, blah. Big Dog will have a pop at Little Dog at some point in the next couple of days and my period will start. 'Tis the way of the world! So it looks like my 16 day LP is no more

x-posted with you artemis

Yes my mother could save the NHS millions on fertility treatments with her sage advice
Like you I am still prodding boobage in vain & like you I know the score...pain at start of cycle = bad, diminishing pain at 11dpo = bad.

Have a wonderful holiday you lucky thing! Good luck with battling the keepers of the fertility treatment tower

Have a fabulous time on hols, artemis. I distinctly remember having a conversation with the fertility clinic while we were sightseeing in a very pretty old mosque last hols (in MAY). Felt wrong somehow - must add that they call you back to say whether or not you're allowed to start treatment so it was not my idea to speak to them in a place of worship. But it is sort of easier to deal with them when relaxed from good times, nice food and lovely company.

Pout and purple GRRRR at mothers. And sorry you're out pout, even if it ain't over before it is over. Just made appointments for the beginning of August and now really need my AF to be on time or early if we want to get a cycle of IUI in...

Definitely OV-ed whilst I was recovering quietly, DH is commenting appreciatively on my boob-size. But since we did not do anything with intent last week, I feel no compunction to prod them...

Oh and tests... The usual suspects: bloods (3/21), fanny cam, HSG, lap&dye, more bloods for virtually everything (and as it was all normal, I forgot the details - in any case thyroid, clotting, STDs), chlamydia test, smear test (because I had not been going to mine), oh and the comedy PCT (post coitum test, totally unscientific, but fun to do/to charge for?)

Oh and stats - I believe your chances of natural conception drop significantly after a year of TTC, and we were quoted something in the range of 38-40% spontaneous chance last year, which I believe has now dropped to 35-ish for the next year. So really, that sounds about right rabbit and is depressing but a decent chance.

Good to hear that councelling is helping buzzy. I am considering it too, but have no idea how to fit that in around life...

Fingers crossed for good cycles for natural FET, Sarlat. Do I need to buy into carrot eating, even if the next cycle will probably be stimulated IUI?

Waves to all of you (note I am slowly getting back into it!)

artemis I was just thinking this morning that you must just be a few days behind cycle-wise. Then I thought fuck now I'm remembering other people's cycles, someone that I haven't met and is not really called Artemis at that. And so the final decline.

I also seem to remember your holiday is in this general direction. Well, well extra vit D for you, that will do the trick like it has for me

Pout sorry to hear about spotting. I get no warning apart from an extra noch of ill feeling and PMT directly before (not more than a day) which I woke up with this morning. So I'm going to piss on a OPK this PM just because I can and I can't get into the habit because they will be all used up next month. Got to try everything once right? Wow, my life is a party.

Btw, I read a couple of times about an understanding that sore boobs directly after ov was understood to be a non-pg sign. Why is that? Declining pain over the LP I get but why the initial pain? Just curious.

Morning all,

in the sympathetic TTC black humour way at all the boob poking going on. All I will add is that when I've been pregnant, the boobs were not just sore, they were excruciating. Even brushing my nipples on the bed made my eyes water, plus they were heavy and sort of looked a bit like fake boobs. I remember Mr P being very when I put on a tight t-shirt with no bra to prove a point about them looking different (I have medium sized C/D boobs) and his eyes nearly popped out. Anyway.

Lemons I'm really glad that you are feeling better. I hope those itchy stiches get resolved soon.

Artemis Yay to mid-ground meet! I typed in halfway between Brighton and Leeds (this is probably not the best city to choose) and it came up with Northampton. Anyone been to Northampton? My other thought was Birmingham. I hope you have a marvelous holiday. I hope that battle with the Fertility Gods at the hospital is short and sweet and gets you an appointment.

Pout Boo hiss to spotting. . Do you start Clomid next cycle?

Critter very interesting sentiment from the Mormon lady. I think that this time in my life will set me up in good stead for being a more robust individual. I've never been patient, I've usually always had my own or made my own way and watching other people have the thing you want (biologically not materialistically) the most in the whole world and then have to be happy for them is challenging to say the least. The last 3 years has seen me grow up and fast. I definitely feel older and wiser than some of my friends who are the same age. I'm also just on the cusp of coping and dealing with this in a much more healthy way in the last few months. And that coincides with some of the biggest challenges i.e. best friend being pregnant, having all the medical stuff done, realising that 3 years have gone by since first MC and there is still no baby. If anything, my eating, drinking and smoking habits have improved and I look after myself much better than I did before.

Buzzy good luck for the next round of cycle monitoring. I'm glad you have a lovely councilor. It's so healthy to let this all out. I think tears are like emotional toxic waste.

Rabbit at Mr Moon, made me think of the Boosh. Neil Armstrong is walking on my face I'm glad that you had a positive appointment. What a change to have a nice consultant and to get some proper information. I hope you feel relieved. Don't worry about being so scared. I think it's natural when you've been through so much. Hopefully you have seen the bottom of the TTC emotions pit and you are on the upward curve to destination baby. 18% does sound very specific. I would be very encouraged and let's hope that finger picks you off next!

Euro gold stars for Mr Euro! I hope you have fun getting drunk and shaking fists with your friend. You've had a really rough time of it lately. I also hope that eating the magical immunity building foods helps. There are lots of juices in my juice book for building up immunity. Let me know if you are interested in any of the recipes.

Carrie good luck with your GP today. So far I have had: 1 x blood test to look at thyroid, for diabetes and to check immunity, general health and general hormone levels, 1 x CD2 test to look at FSH and LH levels (she also looked at my AMH), 1 x 7DPO test to look at progesterone, 1 x fannycam to look for cysts, 1 x blood test to check rubella immunity, 1 x swab for chlamydia, 1 x vaginal inspection (with magnifying glass!!), 1 x blood test to check bloods for causes of recurrent miscarriage and 1 x appointment with consultant.

Sarlat yay for EWCM! Baby carrots you say?!

Right, I'm off lots to do today and I hadn't appreciated the time...

lemons shhhhh, don't let the witch know that you want her to be on time. She will only spite you with fuckwittery.

purple I have no idea about boob pain and what it all means, other than what my own pattern signifies based on many, many, many duff cycles! I assumed that the pain is caused by Progesterone (which confusingly ought to be a good indicator of pregnancy even early in the cycle should it not?).

I have always thought that my boob pain eases off towards the end of the cycle because of dropping Progesterone. You read so many 2ww stories with a BFP at the end of it where boobs get progressively sorer rather than progressively less sore.

I generally only get pain in one boob so I am interested whether if I am ever pregnant whether I'll get pain in both boobs.

Have fun with your OPK stick....mine wasn't as much fun as I had hoped!

Isn't it interesting that the stats for getting pregnant naturally after a year of TTC and unexplained infertility are the same as having IVF. Hmm

It's the stats for a year of unprotected sex, not for one cycle, carrie. So it is rather different. But IVF is expensive and intrusive.

Well pout, if she's late that is fine too just not perfectly on time... (Ok there comes a perfect cycle).

Just had to say princess, A MAGNIFYING GLASS?!?! well done on the health and the trying and the sorted ovulation and everything.

pout I know what you mean! You really couldn't make it up! At least I have a likely reason for my NK cells being up. What I think happened was either I have had HPV for years (apparently you usually catch it on your first sechsual encounter) and it has lain dormant or I got it when I started to have loads of unprotected sechs to ttc. It flared up when I got stressed about ttc, which caused my NK cells to be sky high when they were tested last November. Then the steroids suppressed my immune system which allowed the HPV to take hold on the cervical cells and cause the abnormality that was picked up on the smear.

carrie NK cells are natural killer cells, part of your immune system. They are found in the blood and in the womb (there is a debate about whether testing the ones in the blood is a good indication of what is going on in the womb and the whole area is fairly controversial and new). There is a theory that high levels can cause miscarriages or implantation failure because your over active immune system reject the embryo as a foreign body. As we were unexplained from the NHS tests on eggs, swimmers and tubes, I got tested last year. My results were sky high. So I then took steroids to suppress them, the theory being that this will give an embryo a chance to impant/not be kicked out of the womb if it does. One of the functions of NK cells is fighting cancer cells, so it seems logical that suppressng them will have allowed these precancerous abnormalities to form on my cervix.

lemons my stitches didn't dissolve properly either. I just left them and I can remember little black granules of stitch working their way through the skin up to 18 months after my op. Bleugh.

pout and joycep have you considered telling your mums to volunteer for some sort of NHS money-savign task force? Cameron would love to save all that money on fertility services.

purple it could be worse. Someone on another thread said they thought of me when they had a sechsfail due to something I had said!

I'm not sure about the sore boobs thing. Like pout, I thought it was just a sign of the progesterone released by the corpus luteum at ovulation. Mine are always slightly sore as soon as I have oved. I always knew before fertlity friend confirmed it after 3 days of rising temps.

Princess what juice book do you have? We usually make fruit smoothies (the non-dairy kind) at the weekend. I often look at the aging veggies in the bottom of the fridge and think that I should be doing something with them too.

Hugs from me this morning to everyone who has had bad news, I'm afraid I've had some too.

I went to see the gyno yesterday with the intention of discussing my mystery ovulation this month but she didn't check me out at all. She had a copy of my DH's SA results and stated that with his numbers we are unlikely to conceive naturally and referred me to a fertility clinic for IUI. When I asked about my strange cycle she said it didn't matter that the fertility specialist will completely change my cycle anyway so I shouldn't worry about it now. I feel like we haven't been at it that long so maybe we should keep trying naturally for a while but if there's no hope then I don't want to waste all that time and all those stressfull months if we should just be getting on with it. Now I'm trying to decide if I should ignore the gyno and keep chugging along, book an appointment with the fertility specialist right away, wait until we're back from holiday in September or what to do? It's strange that I'm not as upset as I thought I'd be. I think if I had been told this right at the beginning it would have been devastating but the bad news has been coming in regularly but gradually so I've, to some extent, been able to make peace with each piece of news as it comes. That said, maybe it will hit me again next time I'm in a beergarden with a bunch of pregnant ladies.

In other news, I got a positive OPK this morning . . .

euro yes I saw that actually. Funny, in a terrible TTC kind of way.

Hey MissM I don't want to panic you, but there are new NICE guidelines on the way and they are getting rid of IUI (from memory) in lots of different scenarios. You may want to get in whilst the goings good and make sure you get the treatment on the NHS whilst there is still funding. I'm sorry that this whole ordeal is proving so stressful. You are doing remarkably well. Yay for positive OPK, that will explain all the up and down temps over the past week or so.

Euro it's called Super Juice by Michael Von Straten. He's my nutritionists fave. It's an old book and I picked up a second hand copy in good nick off of Amazon Marketplace for a couple of quid. I like the book because it has a handy reference of all sorts of things at the back. The veg juices I make from his recipes are much more palatable than any of my own swampy concoctions!

Lemons yup, my GP got out a magnifying glass to look up my front hole. I was Still at least it means I haven't got a bucket down there

Miss M Here are the new proposed guidelines if you want to have a read yourself Link to New proposed NICE guidelines

Hello,

Woah, fast moving thread again, I've been away one weekend and now I'm struggling to catch up.

Miss m, iui is probably a really good option for you if the problem is just motility. My dr also doesn't seem to care much about my cycle because ivf will bypass it all in a way. It's hard to get your head round needing intervention so don't feel rushed if you're not ready. But it's also important to take a good look at the numbers and think about whether the sperm problem will prevent it happening on its own. With our results, I know that it would take a miracle so accepting ivf has been easier.

Pout, what's this talk of a line? Is the big finger pointing at you? I think my mum would come out with similar advice if I told her.

Critter, not the religious stuff but everything else that blogger says I relate to. I was watching a programme about orthodox Jews and there was a wedding and basically everyone they interviewed on camera mentioned the importance of marriage and BABIES. The pressure on that couple, made me realize that the external pressure on me isn't so great. also, the couples aren't allowed to touch during her period and then for 7 days afterwards, that takes her to cd12. What happens to early ovulators?

Carrie, I'm sorry to hear that you've been discharged. They shouldn't discharge any of us until we have a baby. Pout, didn't ou get discharged but then moved and got treated seriously? It shouldn't be such a lottery. I would push for the gynae referral, endo needs to be sorted.

We had a lovely weekend away, nice to be doing something and not sitting around waiting for these darn genetics results. It's been 4 weeks today.

Joycep, no news from greece yet?

I'm pleased to hear the northern meet up went well. It s good to know we look like normal people, I do sometimes worry that I ave a barren look about me!

Euro, sorry you didnt get the cat, I love my cat so I can heartily recommend you get one.

Thanks for that princess. I'll read through it when I get a chance.
I'm in Germany so the funding issue is different here but if the guidelines are being overhauled completely, it will likely affect here as well. Maybe that's why my gyno accelerated this whole thing so quickly - we're not even over the 1 year mark and my DH SA isn't that bad from what I've read anyway. Or maybe it is, what do I know:

56.3 million
4 ml
Vitality: 70%
Motility:
A: 10%

B: 30%

C: 30%

D: 30%

Morphology: 11%