TTC for 10+ months, part 8

[eurochick]

A friendly, supportive thread for those taking a blooming long time to conceive!

Morning lovely ladies.

That hotel sounds absolutely awful artemis. I hope you can switch for tonight or go home. Is the conference worthwhile?

Good luck with the appointment tomorrow purple. You'll be fine. At least I really hope you will be. Not that confident after carrie's stories from last night. I am and appalled at those comments about "someone normal". That is truly disgusting.

On clotty periods and tilted wombs - they would have seen that too, right? Mine are relatively clotty, but I do have a bit of a clotting issue (but according to my cons nothing to worry about). I have to admit I am quite relieved that I definitely have ruled out endo. But if you're struggling so much, definitely get the endo burned away carrie.

I don't know what the normal recovery time is joycep, but I am convinced they needed a lot to knock me out with GA on Monday because I was so stressed. I have no idea how I would normally respond, as I have not had an op since I was a kid. I definitely would have been unable to work Tuesday or yesterday, I am planning on doing some stuff from home today. The lap itself has not been too bad although they do move your womb around and there has been a reasonable amount of blood, partially clotty, the stitches tiny, healing fast and I am wearing JEANS (proud emoticon) but I am still rather knackered from the GA (which may vary from person to person). Also the gas they pump into you to be able to see everything properly is very irritating (it causes pains in your shoulders of all places). I reckon two days off after the lap is the minimum (unless you have a job that a sleepy gold fish can perform, which I doubt). What do the broidal sisters think, rabbit and pout?

Finally on pant-gate... I am somewhere between the two poles, I have gorgeous matching pairs as well as many from the bargain bin. I try to avoid those with holes in them, but sometimes I fail :)

Oh that is JUST shit joycep, I would so hate them for the unexpectedness of the announcement. Many sympathies and OMG how ridiculous of them not to drink. Pathetic.

Have to admit that I decided against talking to two different friends yesterday because I know they're trying and I cannot deal with an announcement at the moment. I know I should be happy for other people not to go through what we've been going through, but it is just not fair.

Oh my god, not drinking??? That alone would have made me insane, sorry Joycep you would think nothing could touch us by now. But, no.

I think lemon's two days after GA sounds about right from my experience. Due to alien removal, 'stuff' was moved about rather a lot which may have made recovery from the op (aside from the GA) a little tougher. I was most fearful of the shoulder pain due to trapped air as I was told this was the most difficult thing. I didn't have it though.

Oh Joy that's just awful how silly not drinking. I have been honest with everyone I know and expect sensitivity when it comes to anouncments. If I don't then they are not my friends so I won't be happy for them. Harsh but true. I still congratulate people buy cards and prezzies I'm not a total bitch but it doesn't hurt for them to be the same back. My TTC buddy that brought her new born into work was great she just said I'm so sorry I know what this means to you. No fuss no going on that's all it took to know she wishes she could help. Meant I could fuss and cuddle away and enjoy the baby.
My close friend has even bought me a fertility doll that's proudly stood facing my bed. The thought was so touching and again she said its all I can think of to do even though its a bit mumbo jumbo. I said anything that might help I'm having lol.
I have another friend who is getting married in Sept and trying straight away. Please please let me get a BFP before her

It's true Carrie that RL support can come from unlikely places. It doesn't happen often enough, but it does happen. I can think of two people who are really sweet about it, to me. Both have had a child with no problem, both not having a second for one reason and another. It means a lot to me that they are both in their own (complicated, because life is) situations that have nothing to do with TTC, but talk to me about TTC from time to time.

joycep you will def need time off work! GA takes it out of you no mistake. It is hard for me to judge as I had mine just before Christmas. I had one day at home to rest up then we were off for family dos for the next three days and that felt tough. My scar wasn't as lucky as most as it kind of below my belly button not in it and very sore and is about 2cm long. I think that a minimum of a week off work is essential, I would have gone back then but as it was the Xmas break I was back after 10 days I think. The gas pain is odd, uncomfy and did hit my shoulders which was difficult to shift. I think I had a particularly rum deal though as they did a lot of rummaging in there. I'm glad you are mending up lemon oh and jaw drop at gay instadiff. I think not drinking is daft though.

I am officially anal. All of my knickers are decent, arranged in matching sets and regularly audited mr wine is not remotely interested in underwear and wouldn't notice if I walked in after spending 300 quid in agent provocateur. He is a naked man. I am unfortunately anal in almost all walks of life. I can't be easy to live with. I wear decent matching underwear in case I ever have an accident and perhaps caught out in some way. This is ridiculous, excessively pessimistic and grounded in nothing. Oh very dear.

artemis the hotel sounds horrific and like my worst nightmare (also clean freak). I'm really selling myself aren't I!?

sarlet thanks for the ivf info. I have no idea what to expect today.

in fact, I'm wetting myself. I started spotting last night. This probably confirms another 3 week cycle. I have tried fiddling about with fertility friend and kind of got it to say I'd ovd if the last bleed was just spotting (which it was)but based on spotting last night and today I think I did ov very early or maybe not at all. If this is true, we shagged at the right time and yet again I am not pregnant. And having 21 day cycles after a usual 29. I sobbed like a baby last night because I'm scared at not being back to normal, tired of being in limbo, tired of not being able to try, tired of having a sore belly, appalled at my scarry tummy which is for what - there wasn't even a fibroid to remove and I'm no nearer to having a baby than I was in november 2010. All 4 of my best friends have conceived since my wedding and I have almost no one who is childless to socialise with. So strange, I toddle along most days feeling hardy and brave and then in a flash it is all too much and I'm a barren old heap crying my soul at on my husband. I'm not sure I'm going to be able to hold it in in the appointment today. I have little to say to the cons. I'm a year in from my first appointment almost to the day and have got precisely nowhere and no fertility treatment. The mood I'm in I could slap him in the face! Apologies for this selfish outburst, I'm just truly pissed off with the whole shebang. I want to have a baby, my own baby, buy nursery things and be excited. Peferable to saintly living, choking back wheatgrass and wondering if it will ever happen.

Wll return later with tail feathers renewed, these waves never last long lately. Wave to pout nelly purple critter buzzy and anyone else I've missed.

Morning all,

Pubey beds, turkey basters and fertility dolls at the bottom of the bed; gaybees and non drinking homosexual fathers to be; Friday 13th smears and alien investigations; gassy shoulders and holey knickers. Nope I haven't just come round from a strange dream it's just another morning on our lovely thread :)

JoyceP really? really really REALLY she got pregnant with one pump of a turkey baster?!?!?!!!!!! Princess thinks to self must investigate turkey baster avenues Something tells me this isn't true and it must have taken at least a few months. I mean you have to learn to baste first, right? Or she is having an affair with one of them. And they don't want to admit to actual front bum sex. Or they just picked her for her fertile credentials. Any-which-way I'm in awe. You were right to be annoyed. I would have wailed. And not drinking? Oh come on Pur-lease. BTW I have some M&S knickers with cherries and a bow on. I think they're cute.

Purple I hope your doctor is lovely. I have had the full spectrum of c*nts to really lovely. I assume that health care is private where you are? I would expect to be treated, well, like a princess!

Carrie at your fertility doll. I must admit it sounds a bit creepy tho... I couldn't imagine waking up to looking a fertility doll right in the eyes! I think I'd jump every morning! Your friends sound v.sweet. Like you I have been brutally honest with most of my friends and I've found lot of support in amongst a lot of twatty comments. I have also had a lot of support from MIL and my mum has been much better of late. I do understand that it's difficult for some people for all sorts of reasons and if they can't / don't want to talk about it, I usually drop it - they may have had other problems in the past and I know I've touched some raw nerves in my honesty parade over the last few years (I think a lot of friends had abortions when much younger and still feel v.guilty / worry about the future if they haven't got / maybe can't have kids and my problems just seem to hold up a mirror to their concerns - not conclusive but just a hunch) Anyway, I'm sure I said a lot of twatty comments about being happily settled with the man of my dreams when they were all single, miserable man-haters. I'm lucky that a lot of my friends have only just turned 30 and are into their careers or not quite settled and ready to sprog. There have been a lot of weddings in the last year or so and a lot of babies too, but I'm not yet at the point where I'm the only one without a child. And most babies are being born to my older friends. There's hope for us all yet! Interesting about OHs hormones. We know that it's a problem with me and not with him for all sorts of reasons (mainly that he has done his job on more than one occasion; I've sadly let the team down). I hope you get some answers soon. Your DD sounds like a gem and well done for making her mummy so proud :)

Lemons glad you are feeling better. The gas thing sounds horrific. Poor you. Sympathetic Although good work for getting back into the jeans. Nice one!

Artemis COMPLAIN! Where there are pubes there could be crabs and that's the last thing you want to deal with whilst TTC!!! Can you change hotels or are you going home tonight? I couldn't sleep in other peoples pubes. Poor you.

I'm sure I've missed loads of you in the pathetic name check but I've got to get on. Plus I was moving wood (fnar fnar) no actual real tree wood from the front of the house to the wood store out back until 10 last night. But we are cleared up front and the front room had it's first layer of plaster yesterday and its starting to look like a real house. MrP was like, look I've built you a nest and you can start putting twigs in it soon. I just hope I get to sit on an egg when we finally get in.

rabbit I think you have just explained exactly what you have to say to the cons. Don't think for a second it's selfish, if you have got nowhere in a year then a good sharp summary of where you are at and what you feel is not out of place neither is the slap It's true that these guys seem to have a hard time seeing the whole picture and that picture as being the real life of a real person. Good luck with your appointment today.

X post rabbit I'm so sorry about your cycles and today's shittyness. Gentle hand hold and stroke. I'm sure, sure it's just your cycles readjusting, which is not easy to hear because it's disorientating (been there, had that) and all I wanted and I'm sure you all you want is things to be back to normal so you can at least try properly without the heartache and reminders that things are probably not right. I hope you get some answers from your consultant. You've been through so much in the last year, he owes you some answers. I'm sorry about your scar too, that is rough and not fair. It will fade. Do you use bio-oil? I know loads of people who've reduced scars this way. I think you need to have an emotional clear out from time to time. You've got no probs cleaning (what sounds like a pristine and beautiful) home or throwing old grundies away, so a good cry is just a way of throwing out the old painful emotions and making way for a more positive frame of mind. You are so brave. Keep strong. There is a baby at the end of this road and you will be a perfect mum. xxx

I wanted to test the water before I completely went off on one but now I see you all agree ? I know right! I thought it was totally ridiculous and pathetic not drinking. If I was pregnant I wouldn?t stop MrJoy from drinking....I stop him from drinking too much now but that?s because we can?t get pregnant! He can drink himself silly if I do get pregnant.

lemon - thanks for the details. I don?t like the sound of the gas though?? . Anyway, I will wait patiently to find out if this is the route I need to go. I would like to rule out endo. I guess it?s just good to go through the checklist of what we don?t have. I know what you mean, I need announcements by email I think or via Mr Joy...or preferably not at all. Of course I would hate people to struggle as well but when a friend mentioned several months ago that one of my old colleagues i didn?t know very well was going through ivf, my face lit up like a light bulb and I said ?reaaaally?? with a big grin. I think it was just relief that I wasn?t the only person I know in RL who was struggling. Mind you this woman?s husband is nearly 70 so i believe the issue was with him.

purple - did you have a lap as well?

carrie - what you say is so true. On here I sound like i?m a complete bitch whenever someone announces a pregnancy to me. That is just my inner thoughts of course. And now I sound incredibly two faced because I am like you and will buy presents and will ask all sorts of questions and tell them how exciting it is. You have to be like that even if you are crying inside. But I agree, it needs to work both ways. To be fair this gay couple know we have been trying for over 2 years but they certainly don?t know the ins and outs of m/c and all the tests we are undergoing. I have to accept that they probably don?t quite understand what it?s like. But what lovely friends to acknowledge your difficulties. That?s all it takes. No one can do anything about it but to acknowledge and not to shove their happiness in your face is all it needs.

Oh Rabbit. You have been through the shite. You need to tell your cons exactly what you have told us. And I agree if that doesn't get his attention, a slap won't go amiss either. I am truly sorry for what you are going through. I just want to give you a massive hug. I also want to say that I am sure your cycles are trying to readjust but perhaps this cons can confirm whether it is normal and whether he has see people''s cycles shorten before they go back to normal.
I really am sorry - its f'ing shit .

joyce I can very much imagine how difficult that situation was for so many reasons. Of course it's great news when people who likely never expected to be able to conceive find a way to but it's also a slap in the face to someone who did always expect to conceive who is having a difficult time doing so. Not to mention, it being successful after only one shot?! What super sperm they must have, I should send DH to them for some education. It's always such a mix of emotions to find out someone else has exactly the news you so desperately want, of course you want to be happy for them but it makes it so glaringly obvious when you(we) come up short. I don't know how to console you other than to say that it highlights how many conception options there are out there that even those who can't conceive naturally can have a child if they want it badly enough - there is always a solution (I know that still sounds trite and we've all heard it before though).

lemon the GA was the worst part for me too. I'd say I had 2 proper days in bed and then had limited movement for 2 more days after that. Went back to work on day 5 but was pretty tired and had trouble concentrating so stayed home for another 3 days. I would say it takes about 1 week before you're in good working order again. I didn't have the shoulder pain either and I didn't feel particularly gassy. I guess I was lucky on that front

Pretty much everyone who knows me, knows that having children was always going to be a part of the package with me. They've been expecting it pretty much since the day we got married (1 year ago). Most people have been tactful but I can tell that they're constantly expecting me to make an announcement. Coupled with the fact that I've put on some weight since then (had so much other stuff on my plate that I let my health slide but starting to rectify that again), I can see eyes darting to stomach and heaven forbid I choose not to drink on an evening out. My close friends know something is wrong and most friends know I went in for an operation on my lady bits so I assume they all suspect I'm barren. DH has forbidden me from telling anyone about his SA so, in an effort to take one for the team, if it ever comes up, I just gear the conversation toward my operation and things just not being right for conceiving right now. To be fair, chances are I'm no super fertile goddess vixen either and the problem likely lies at least to some extent with both of us.

rabbit sorry about the spotting and the 21 day cycle :(

In other news, I believe I have confirmation of an egg drop yesterday with higher temps this morning so DH can finally relax and recuperate after an exhausting shagweek. The deed is done and all there is left to do is wait and hope(again).

Joycep is answer to your question, I had laparoscopic surgery to remove the alien (like MissM ). and as I said, no gassy shoulders (again, like MissM ) that is common but then again obviously not always.

carrie I cannot believe the "normal" comment. What a twat.

On the knicker front, I'm a boyshorts girl, mostly Calvin or M&S. I can't be doing with bumfloss except in the bedroom. I don't have terribly fancy scanities but I am a matchy matchy girl. The bra and knicks come preferably from the same set , failing that be the same colour and style, unless that really doesn't work for the outfit e.g. gauzy white top and dark bottoms that you might be able to see shiny white through. I'm a bit OCD. I like RULES.

Artemis I am at your B&B story. Eugh.

joycep the op is done under local, not GA. you can even watch it on the screen if you are so inclined. I watched the colposcopy and actually found that quite fascinating, but I am not sure I am strong stomached enough to watch a bit of me being amputed.

Unfortunately the op doesn't get rid of the HPV, just the lesions. There seems to be no way to get rid of the virus. It is there for life, but hopefully spends most of the time dormant, suppressed by the immune system. I could have had it since a condom split with my first boyfriend in my late teens but just suppressed it until now. Or I could have contracted it when abandoning the jonnies to ttc. I'll never know. Having spent the first half of this year desperately trying to suppress my immune system, I am now doing everything I can to build it back up! What that means for ttc I have no idea, but suppressing the NK cells doesn't seem to have achieved anything anyway. I'll certainly be reluctant to suppress them with any other treatment after this. I was looking around some of the academic papers available on the interweb last night and it seems that NK cells play a role in suppressing HPV infections and cervical abnormalities. So I stopped them doing their job and this is the result. Of course, I had no idea I had HPV 16, so I couldn't have known.

You gay friends story is sooooo disspriting. I've mentioned before that I have lesbian friends who have just had a baby. I don't know what they went through to get it, but it is disheartening that couples without a single sperm/egg between them can manage this and we can't. They need a slap for the non-drinking though. I mean, really!

lemons I think I've mentioned my lap recovery story before. In short, I had the op on a Thursday or Friday morning, travelled on a coach 150 miles back to uni on Sunday and then went into uni on Tuesday. Really shouldn't have. Almost passed out in a French grammar class (everyone else was very glad of the distraction and asked if I could do it again next week). Took the rest of the week off. I did have an allergic reaction to something though (came out in a horrible rash Monday/Tuesday after the op) so not an entirely standard recovery.

princess I love the nesting analogy. I am sure you will be sitting on hatching eggs v soon.

rabbit I'm sure your cycle is just settling down post-surgery. your body has been through a lot, so don't be do hard on it for not doing what it should. I second the bio oil suggestion. On holiday in March I managed to forget to suntan lotion the backs of my hands before we went on a bike ride. For the first time ever in my life I got sun burn that blistered (not sure if this was because of the steroids). Anyway, I have been bio oiling them nightly before bed since we got back and you can barely see the burn scars now. (If only I could find a way to get some to my cervix after this bloody procedure....)

Did any of you see the piece on BBC Breakfast this morning about women having babies in their 40s? They had a couple of commentators who rolled out the usual shyte about women postponing kids due to careers. Yes, that is what it is. it has nothing to do with the current generation of boy-men who are reluctant to settle down, people struggling to afford kids and many of us starting ttc at a decent age but having to spend years going through fertility investigations before we have a baby. Grrrr. I had to switch it off when they showed it for the second time.

euro Good they've send it early. I hope treatment appointments etc come through soon.
joyce That is just crap. Hugs.
As for the not pregnant until feeling sexy. Well, obviously that's where I'm going wrong. I don't do sexy. I have more knickers that don't fit than do (mostly M&S), but that goes for the whole of my wardrobe actually. MrTeu doesn't seem to notice so what is the point?
Bloody FB. Came across a picture of a very pregnant uni friend. They only got married at the end of last year. MrTeu found me crying over the potato peelings when he got home. Low blow but I pionted out he would be 40 before we had a baby. He didn't like that. No disrespect to anyone here. So very and very and sorry for myself because this month is yet another write off. Sorry about the self indulgence.
Waves to all.

Rabbit we all feel crap at times so keep going and you will start to feel better soon.
I wish I was anal but I am surrounded by clutter, I am a bit of a hoarder and need a skip lol. Slowly working my way through it all.
Hi to everyone else

Rabbit, I agree with others that you should tell the consultant exactly what you've said. 1 year on and still no baby, grrrr. I feel your frustration. I second the bio oil recommendation, it's great for scars.

Joycep. I bet it was more than one attempt with the turkey Baster. Did they use both of their sperm mixed up? I wonder if that's more likely to be successful as the rival sperm compete against each other. Agree that the not drinking thing is stupid. Will the surrogate be involved after the birth?

Euro I promise I'm not stalking you but I saw the Bengal cat thread. I read any of the cat threads because I love anything kitten or cat. I really hope you might get it, what a beautiful cat.

Time for a rant. We've changed bank accounts. Banks over here are still quite old fashioned and they assign you with your own personal bank advisor person who you have to deal with. Anyway, we had to go in to meet ours today. She said she had some questions to ask us so she could best advise us, basically so they can try and sell you their various insurances and gold service stuff I think. The first question was how long have you been married? So we say 5 years. The she says how many children do you have? Dh says none. And she raises her eyebrow. And then she says 5 years and no children? You must be working too hard. Wtf? Stupid cow. To top it all she was young and very beautiful. I bet she wears matching, posh undies. And is very fertile.

Okay joycep an update on the recovery, I have done no work at all today and fallen asleep twice, but the trapped gas is leaving me (in well charming bouts of burps and farts); oh and the trapped gas does hurt, a fair bit. So I think the week off sounds reasonable. Although I am fully intending on doing something tomorrow again, we'll see how that goes.

But I also had a good chat with a friend about it all, which made me cry and realise I have to do a bit of getting through the whole thing emotionally as well. Not just the lap, although that was bad enough, but the whole TTC without intervention not bringing us the child we want so badly. Sorry this is down, but it just hit me how strange it is that someone like me (who is pertified of physicians and hospitals) more or less voluntarily goes in for an op perfectly healthy on the off-chance that it may provide a clue to the failures in TTC. It is weird. Just as SWI EOD or any other regime is not the way, I believe it should be. Let alone the fact that everyone and there dog has had a look in at my lady-bits, growing eggs etc. It is UNFAIR

Oh and euro I saw that thing too on BBC breakfast and made me so cross (I had to have a nap afterwards). I wanted to yell at the telly. I only met the man I want babies with when I was 29. We waited a while, got to know each other properly and moved in together. At 31 I was very ready for a baby, and had we been so lucky to conceive within the first 6 months, we'd have a toddler now and may be thinking about a second one... But no it was all WOMEN putting their career first, blahdiblah.

But in their defence, some people are THICK and do tell me that "you can always have IVF" (if I jokingly say I am leaving it too late, cos I don't actually do the open thing with absolutely everyone). I think there should be different messages out there: men and women don't leave it too late, IVF is not (always) the answer; however, some people young and older do struggle with fertility - it is not their fault!!; children are raised by both parents, think about paternity as well as maternity leave; sort out affordable child care AND then we can talk about choices and stuff. Not cross or anything, or feeling the need to jump on a soap box!

GRR mrsd at the stupid young woman at the bank. I hope you gave a her a sharp kick in the shins. Or said, okay we're changing banks again, since you're too thick to deal with out finances...

If she's very young she probably hasn't started trying yet. Little does she know! Does she even have a boyfriend or does she cry into her posh judgy pants every night I wonder? I would complain to her manager (I have done this in the past - often). What a cow though. Sorry you have had to be on the receiving end xx

Yeah she was young, 25 ish I'd say. Which is young to me. She was flirting with a male young worker at the bank when we got there. Although it was him doing the flirting, they kept us waiting but it's all open plan so I was glaring at their shenanigans. I've already said to dh that well wait 3 months so we qualify for the free dosh you get for opening an account And then I'm moving it again. I wish there was a smile Internet bank. I do not like dealing with people at banks give me a computer and online banking any day.

Lemons, poor you trapped wind sounds painful. I hope you feel back to normal soon. Did you say they said all your bits looked perfect?

I did a stupid thing and reactivated my Facebook account. I blame the mid cycle up mood. BIG mistake. This was my news feed 5 mins ago. I swear this is all true, although I'll leave out the non baby related stuff.

1. Photo of 27 week bump taken in mirror with camera phone.
2. Status "half way to meeting my bubs. Sooooo excited.
3. Status "x has taken her first ever bite of a banana!
4. Baby x due January 2013. We are thrilled.
5. 12 week scan photo
6. 20 week scan photo
7. I have a wife with a bump so big she can't get off the sofa ha ha ha.
8. Photo of friend with group of other mums all with babies in push chairs doing some charity walk thing

9". Photo of friend with huge bump stood in middle of group of family members all with hand on her bump.

And this is just today. Every day it's Like this. Am I alone in having baby and pregnant obsessed friends, dh said I should delete them all but that would leave me wth no one. But maybe that isn't such a bad thing.

MrsD I'll be your friend on facebook? You can then have angry rants about mobile phones and pictures of the decrepit house that we call our renovation project? xx

mrsden you aren't alone, my Facebook is exactly the same. And poo to a coven bank lady.

Another me post, sorry and thanks for the nice words, princess you made me do a little cry ( a good way).

My cons visit. He was wearing a bow tie.

I'm having a scan on Monday to see what is happening in there he was a bit concerned about the three weekly light bleeds. He said either:
I'm pregnant and to go home and do a test.
I'm not ovulating and it's breakthrough bleeding.
My cycle has reset itself to three weeks after the op.

I only liked option 1 but no surprise to hear a bfn is sat in the bathroom. Weep. To right my cycle he wants me to take clomid on monitored cycles. He claims that 100 of his patients had clomid last year, 50 ovulated on their own and 50 didn't and of the 50 who ovd on their own, 25 got pregnant, many after two years. He says they do very stringent monitoring and support and prides himself that his clomid stats are much higher than lots of other places.I am suspicious. Prior to the op, I did ov on my own. I want to try a few natural cycles with clean tubes without drugs and see what happens. I got a scan very fast due to it being with a student being assessed which means I could be back at the clinic before the month is out with a script for clomid in my hands.

I know a few of you on here have taken clomid, is it as bad as they say?
I don't want a dried up fanjo and even worse moods! I'm hoping I can say I'd like to see if my cycle rights itself over the summer and be monitored in the autumn?

lemon total empathy with your post. If I had conceived when I should have done I would currently be thinking about a 2 year old birthday party. The BBC slot was total and utter guff, that stupid guest had had 4 kids in her 30s and was there to tell women to do it in their twenties! euro I got lumbered with a stupid boy man in my twenties, no one ever mentions them do they? it's always women and their career and their choice. It made me feel

And mrsd, happy to be Facebook friends :) princess I want to see your house!