Fantastic 40+ thread - part 7

[lolfactor]

Shiny new thread - over here everyone

[goldengirl71]

Thanks, Irish & Mia'sMummy - and great news about your scan. Will you be able to talk about Mia's inquest to us after Monday or is it something private to your family? I hope you find peace x

When I confessed to DP last night that it had taken me six attempts to get yesterday's temp as high as the day before he rolled his eyes in a greatly exaggerated manner and then looked a little like this: I really should have known, huh? Stick with your first temperature, ladies, any other strategy is just kidding yourself. I feel down today. I've got my appointment with the gynae consultant at 3.50pm which is so, so far away in terms of public transport nightmare scenarios. I so wish we had a car. And I so wish DP could come with me today. It is over two hours on various buses and, although I have JK Rowling to read, I am nervous about mine and DP's results (DP is far more nervous than me. He is convinced they will find is sperm has recently become decrepit. If it has, I will simply die).

I don't mind the tears spilling today with the consultant, however I don't want to lose my temper (I have a short fuse) if his manner is nonchalant/dismissive/unsympathetic/abrupt or if he refuses to give me clomid. I really don't know how far to push the clomid issue. Is it reasonable that I haven't had a BFP in the seven months since my mmc/erpc?

[AngelGeorgie]

Miasmum glad all was ok yesterday. Thanks for your lovely message... Hope you re get some support with your parents being with you now xxxx

[goldengirl71]

I miss Gum

[Irishmammybread]

Just want to wish you good luck golden (if you haven't already left!) with your appointment this afternoon. I don't know if they will consider 7 mths of ttc to be a long time ,I hope you get some anwsers and you get a sympathetic consultant. At least the health service doesn't consider you so decrepit (like me!) that it's not even worth making an appointment in the first place !
Find out as much as you can and you can fill us in later!

Miasmum and AngelGeorgie hope you are getting through these difficult days. Great the scan went well Miasmum and you have a happy date coming up in December!
x

[lotsofcheese]

Just a quick "good luck" to golden - hope the appointment goes well & you have a sensitive, compassionate consultant with a constructive approach

[woollywomble]

Hope your appointment has been positive GG and you get some answers.

I've been back to the EPAC today for my followup, two weeks after mc. To be honest thought they would give me a scan to check everything has gone but all they did was take a pregnancy test, which was negative, and that was it. Could have done that myself at home! Nurse did say that if I go on to have a third mc (I also had one between my 2 DDs) they will investigate despite my age and despite them not being consecutive. Am hoping it doesn't come to that though.

[goldengirl71]

THE FECKING CONSULTANT GAVE ME CLOMID!!! I didn't even have to ask for it! The bad news is that she offered it to me because, according to my day 22 progesterone blood result, I am not ovulating. After emitting a low level animal howl of anguish I told her this could not be the case as I chart my temperatures which show I am ovulating every month. She did not roll her eyes in an exaggerated manner but she did offer me this: When I asked her if I could look at the printed data she showed me that my progesterone measured 18.5 when the figure should be 25 to show ovulation. I don't really care whether she is right or wrong in the grand scheme of things...I've got the blesséd Clomid (50mg). Surely that result is bollocks, though? My charts clearly show a consistent shift in temp each month. What can be going on??

What I am concerned about is DP's sperm results. I am very angry with him. The consultant told me that his sperm results were "fine". When I asked her to clarify 'fine' she said they were "O.K". I asked her for the printed data which showed DP's sperm count was 16 million. A normal sperm count is >20 million. She told me this was "nothing to worry about really" but does DP smoke? I told her he had given up but has recently started again (the stress of his new job was his excuse when I smelled it on his breath). She said he needs to give up. His sperm morphology (the shape) result was 3%. The normal score is 15% but she told me they consider 5% to be 'fine'.

I was too angry to speak to DP when I came out of the hospital but texted him in plain & simple terms that I was fucking furious with his cavalier attitude towards his smoking and the taking of the vitamins I buy him to maintain healthy sperm: "I don't like the taste!"; "I keep forgetting, sorry"; "They're horrid". Tough shit. I gave up smoking and I always remeber to take my vitamins. He needs to get a bloody grip on this TTC malarkey and pronto.

Anyway, the consultant told me to start the Clomid on day 2 of my cycle. Another, much louder howl: "But today is day 2!!" She pointed me in the direction of the pharmacy and I ran like the clappers. I took the pill Tomorrow I have to ring the hospital to arrange a transvaginal scan to check that the clomid has done its job and to have an injection in my abdomen to 'make me ovulate'. I then have to have sex the night after the injection and for the following 5 days if possible (woe betide if DP starts whimpering about the 'the pressure').

[goldengirl71]

Thank you Irish, Cheese & Womble for your good wishes. Womble, I had an ERPC so cannot advise you of the after-care/examinations you could expect after a natural miscarriage. Good news, though, that they are prepared to investigate any further nasties.

[AngelGeorgie]

Thanks Irishmammy xxx

[123littlepigs]

Arrrh goldengirl you crack me up.... Lovely reading your post and knowing there is someone else out there dealing with a pain in the arse husband that needs to just start pulling their wait... Lol

Havnt been on here since first joining as husband gave me the run around with 'I need time to think about things before we ttc' . He's only just got back on the gravy train and can happily say am 8DPO. Hoping to test at the weekend...
Will go back now to lurking in the background ... All the best GG71 x

[MiaAlexandrasmummy]

golden what a harrowing path to get your Clomid!! I am hopeful that armed with this new information on your ovulation and DH's sperm, you will now be able to march forth again on the next stage of your ttc journey... but really wish that 'fine / normal' was not the standard response of GPs when they are speaking to us about our fertility. 'Normal' seems to cover a lot, without any particular reference to age or personal history.

[goldengirl71]

Crumbs. DP is whimpering in the corner. The kittens have gone quiet. The Law has been laid down: Dp is to quit smoking immediately; he is to remove those pre-pubescent briefs he insists on wearing and don boxer shorts; he is to take his vitamin pill religiously every morning. He is nodding his head vigorously from his corner as I am screaming repeating these edicts to him as I type.

[goldengirl71]

123iLttlePigs, where the feck have you been? The Law says you are not allowed to lurk (even if your name is somewherebeginningtherain) Good luck with the weekend test and let us know x

Mia'sMummy, I do suddenly feel 'armed', you know? The consultant was insistent that DP's results are 'normal' but there's no escaping that morphology result, is there? I'm not overly concerned as he got me pregnant in January - but it has given me licence to stick my foot right up his arse regarding his 'lifestyle choices'. Cavalier, uncommitted bastard.

What does everyone think about my 18.5 result for day 22 progesterone, considering I have been 'ovulating' every month since I started charting? Any advice would be much appreciated.

[CaliBee]

I've only been away a couple of days and look what goldens been up to .
I was really disappointed to hear about af showing up, but glad to hear that you got your appointment and some clomid in time to start this cycle. Also very interested to hear that the progesterone level considered for positive ovulation is >25....I had read that it was anything over 10 and was feeling everso slightly pissed off that my reading of 12.7 last cycle was considered nonovulation by both my gp and the fertility nurse when I called her. Like you, I registered positve opk's followed by temp hikes. I wonder if quality of ovulation makes a difference as my progesterone level is usually

[goldengirl71]

Calibee, I've researched this ovulation score nonsense and it would seem that a day 22 result between 17 & 25 shows ovulation has occurred but that the egg would not be capable of being fertilised I'm not sure how much of this is pseudo-experts spouting bollocks, though

[goldengirl71]

*day 21, of course, for a 28-day period

[littlepinkfizz]

golden great news about the Clomid and beating DP into shape! Well done!

Well AF due on Saturday and been v v lightly spotting( barely enough to even bother with a liner) since Sunday past. Got a smiley on opk not last Saturday but the previous Saturday and so Dtd .. . Ridiculously fooling myself I thought the spotting may be implantation bleeding( does anyone actually get this) and did a FRER this morning..BFN.
Have no idea what this spotting crap is. Never had this ever. Now convinced I am peri menopausal.

Sorry for being 'all me' but does anyone have any suggestions as to what is happening? It is cycle 3 post mmc and last 2 cycles have been 28 and 39 days. When I started spotting, AF appeared within hours.

Feel quite dejected though I know others are in much worse situations.
Sorry for the moan but really hope someone can help..

[gothinrecovery]

Just dropping in post holiday to see how everyone else is.

Great news Cheese about your scan, glad everything is going well.

Crossing fingers for Tina.

Golden - so sorry AF got you. :( Good news that the consultant has seen you and given you Clomid. Don't know what to say about the results, but if you are not ovulating then that will sort it. I was told by my doc that they didn't think it was of benefit - who knows.

AF got me this morning, too - wasn't surprised though as for various reasons didn't think it had been our month. Does seem to mean my cycle is back to its normal 28 days whcih I guess is something. Can't help wondering about last month now when I was several days late, though. Oh who knows! Feeling pretty fed up but planning a nice weekend to make up for it.

[TinaO99]

hi all popping in to say wish me luck as its test day tomorrow thanks god this will be over one way or the other! golden glad to hear things are moving for you and I hear you with you dh and his smoking. mine wouldnt give up but did take his vitamins. luckily his results were excellent.

[lotsofcheese]

Oh Tina I am on tenterhooks for you! I really, really hope it's good news for you. I can only imagine the pressure you feel under. Crossing absolutely everything for you.

Golden glad to hear there's a way forward for you. Hope your DH can quit the cigarettes. I also think you should get radical & ditch the charting now you're on Clomid.

Calibee is this your last weekend with DP? If so, enjoy!

Miasmummy Will be thinking of you next week as the inquest starts & hope it provides some answers for you.

We're nearly at 1000 posts & needing a new thread!!!

[littlepinkfizz]

Oh tina , a lorra,lorra luck and hugs for tomorrow x

[littlepinkfizz]

And miasmummy I don't know your story but it sounds tragic.. Hoping you can get the strength to face the week ahead x

[goldengirl71]

New thread here, ladies: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1585805-Fantastic-40-Thread-Part-Eight

[goldengirl71]

Pink, I am sure your spotting is simply the uterus lining releasing what it needs to after your mc. If you're worried ask your GP. Don't worry, love, the early cycles after mc are usually different from one another with myriad anomalies. I'm sure this is one of them.

Goth, nice to have you back. Sorry about AF though I know all along this month you have felt sure it was a no-no. Sympathies anyway.

Cheese, thanks. I will chart this month simply because it's my first time with Clomid and am very curious to know if I get the same ovulation date as the scan person gets when I go on CD14 to acertain the presence of follicles and about-to-pop-egg(s!)

Tina, you have been on my mind all day as I have been aware of my self-obsession on this thread this last week. I am sorry to have whinged, fretted, moaned and blathered the usual bollocks whilst you have had to face your fears. I am wishing you all the luck in the world tomorrow. Please let us know. We are all rooting for you, love xx