TTC/Pregnancy on Prednisolone or similar part 8

[Arianrhod]

A positive thread for all those diagnosed with High or Very High NK Cells and looking to start TTC or already pregnant on Prednisolone and/or Intralipid treatment.

Newcomers very much welcome!

Part 7 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1452035-TTC-Pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-7

Part 6 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1419032-TTC-Pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-6

Part 5 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1391787-TTC-Pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-5

Part 4 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1366323-TTC-Pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-4

Part 3 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1348773-TTC-pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-3

Part 2 here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1323594-TTC-pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-2

Part 1 here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1236324-TTC-pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar

[eurochick]

free have you looked at the spinning babies website to see what you can try to do to turn breech babies? I'm sure you have it covered but thought it was worth mentioning.

When's your moving date?

sue that's good news.

Olives tentative congrats for getting to stage 1.

I start downregging today. The injections don't bother me. The whole concept of IVF still does. I will be approaching it in the same way free is approaching the birth - fingers in ears and lalalala.

[Delta10]

Hello all, am new to this but have been reading your posts with interest.
I suffered 5 m/c's over a 3 year period during which time all investigations proved negative & Professor Regan declared us 'unlucky'. I went to see mr shehata in 2009 and was diagnosed with borderline NK cells & advised to take 25mg from OV. As I was concerned about time slipping away, we decided to go down the IVF route and I had started 'sniffing' Synarel when I fell pregnant naturally that month which resulted in a perfect DS now age 2 (I took 25mg pred, clexane, baby aspirin, vits - dr s decided to throw the kitchen sink at us & it worked!). I then followed the steroid from ov protocol & fell pregnant in march last year, saw heartbeat but miscarried at 8 weeks - was then diagnosed with VHNKC. I have been taking pred from ov since August last year and also tried SO on 5mg of letrezole with great response but no BFP. Stopped SO 2 months ago & having not got pregnant & worried about the length of time I had been taking pred, this month I took nothing apart from baby aspirin & vits & have just got a BFP. I know you understand how terrifying this whole process is but I wanted to share my experiences as have found yours so informative & others just don't understand that getting pregnant certainly doesn't guarantee bringing home a baby. I started preds yesterday (40mg) & am booked in for intralipids tomorrow - I have everything crossed but SUCH a long, long way to go.
Good luck to you all at your various stages on this difficult journey to motherhood!!

[freelancegirl]

Agggh! Delta, an empathy-filled stifled scream for your BFP! Yes many of us know exactly how you're feeling right now, trying not to be excited, terrified of everything going wrong, dreading those early scans...You have to just go with it and be positive and get on with intralipids etc. I really hope it works out for you. Great to hear that you managed to have DS, hopefully that means you can do it all again. Please hang around and join in, it's great to have new people to help us on our collective way.

You've already thrown a new one into the mix for me - Synarel. What's that for? Chances are the others know already and I have just missed it.

Talking of BFPs - hope Olives is feeling ok today. I know just how long that road ahead seems between BFP and first scan and then of course subsequent scans.

Abney do you really have the audacity to say a cheery hello to us from your warm-weathered, cold beer filled safari tent in the South of France?! How lovely. Not so great to be on knicker watch whilst you are there though, but needs must I guess. Oh and yes, can completely relate to the tissue.

Hello euro yes I have been looking at Spinning Babies. Fascinating with all the weird positions they can get into. I thought this one had turned a few days ago but now I am not so sure. Still plenty of kicks in the nether regions. Scan is on Friday so will find out for sure I guess. Try not to be worried about the IVF - Pebbles said that the physical process is actually not too bad at all. I think she has been very brave with self-injecting etc though. I really hope it works out for you.

I met a fellow HNKC person today! At a 'do' with DH's side of the family a girl I had got on with really well at a previous do 19 months ago (coincidentally when I think I conceived the first pregnancy of 2011) was there and I ended up chatting about the baby thing. I had heard through the grapevine (people must talk about us lot like this, mustn't they?!) that she had been having fertility treatment, so when she asked about the baby etc I told her about my 'journey' so if she wanted to talk about her situation she could. She did - and it turns out she has high NKC too! She's had 4 rounds of IVF she has had to pay for herself and is just about to have a one off NHS one. Bless her, I felt so sorry for her. I hope this is the time it works out but I also pointed her in the direction of Mr S and the new treatment I am on. She has had the Chicago tests via her IVF clinic but I said, in the light of experimental treatment such as the Hydroxy she might as well get as many opinions as possible. I felt very obvious with my (now rather huge) bump on show for her to see but I hope that my experience will offer her some hope too.

[GreenOlives]

Hi Delta and welcome to the thread and well done on stage 1 achieved! We can mental together as I got my BFP on Friday so Im terrified!
Thanks for asking Free, I feel ok, kept busy all weekend organising and hosting DS's 4th bday party - fourteen 3 & 4 year olds were a pretty good distraction! I have tested again this morning with 4 different tests and they all confirm I am still pregnant!
Im sure your experience will indeed give that poor lady some hope - fingers crossed that the NHS one will be lucky for her.
Euro - fingers in your ears is fine! Whatever gets you through it! I really hope it works this time.

[Abney]

Hello to all.

Welcome delta and congrats on your BFP. Thats's Sue, Olives and Delta. Keeping my fingers crossed for you all.

BFN on the old Sainsburys stick this morning. 12 DPO. As my AF is every 22 days now and like clockwork the last 2 times have been 11 DPO I am not sure what it means apart from the fact the dastardly AF will make an appearence soon. . If it does I will drown my sorrows in a huge glass of and a huge freshly baked donut .

[Arianrhod]

Morning ladies, and a huge welcome to delta, cautious congrats on your BFP and certainly understand the mad panic!

abney so sorry about the BFN - that's you and me both, BFN at 12dpo yesterday with spotting immediately after then AF this morning, a day early for my usual cycle but I understand Letrozole can make your cycle just a little earlier so I'm not worried. Done my blood gathering exercise (how gross is that?!) and packing it up to send off to Athens for testing today. I'm actually really interested to see what that comes back with, strangely enough, although not looking forward to 25 days of anti-b's if anything comes up positive!

pico Interesting to hear about your appointment. From purehealthonline I got the Coriolus / Reishi / Cordyceps combination capsules, 300 caps which is 33 days supply (3 x 3 capsules daily), for £40.80, and the Astragalus/Gentiana combination capsules, 300 caps which is 50 days supply (3 x 2 capsules daily), for £36. You can also buy the Coriolus, Reishi and Cordyceps separately, and they are in pots of either 60 capsules for £10.20 (that would be 20 days supply at 3 capsules per mushroom per day, so 9 capsules per day) each, or pots of 300 capules for £40.80 (that would be 100 days supply) - bear in mind you'd need three pots then, one of each mushroom, so you'd be looking at £122.40 for 100 days supply of the three mushrooms. HTH, and sorry for boring everyone else!

/waves to everyone

[Delta10]

Thanks all. Am having intralipids at the moment which is very straightforward & hope it helps.
free, Synarel is the down regging sniffing protocol at the start of ivf but I fell pregnant naturally so didn't need ivf.
abney & ari sorry for bfn, know that gutted feeling very well. Red wine & donut sounds good though...!
olives how's it going? You're in the same position as me so fingers crossed that preds from BFP does the trick.
sue best of luck & congrats on your positive scan, such a relief. Your knicker watch comment struck a chord with me!!!!
Good luck everyone

[picolina123]

free got my blood test results, they say everything normal, not sure which numbers you want the only thing that sounds like thyroid is
serem free t4 level-euthyroid- 12.7 pmol/L, got appt for thur to discuss and plan b.

arian head was spinning after i read that!! lol its all so confusing, will def shop around once she gives me prices

[suemays]

Hello delta and congrats on your bfp. Let's hope that you, olives and I will all get to the magical 12 weeks without any probs. I am only looking from week to week at the moment as not daring to look beyond that! I have got my 8 week scan on wed plus intrallipids and convinced the heartbeat will have stopped but then I was convinced there would be an empty sac last week and I was wrong then. My symptoms don't seem as strong over the last few days so I am paranoid it's all over. Time will tell. I keep thinking I have only got 10 days until I get to the safe time of 9 weeks so keep praying that the little bean can keep fighting until then.

Sorry to the ladies who have got bfns, it's so depressing waiting for each month to arrive with no good news when all you want to do is have a crack at trying the treatment.

[mollieboo]

Hi everyone, thanks for welcoming me to your thread the other day.

Huge congratulations to all of you newly pregnant ladies. I know the worry you are going through and am wishing you all healthy pregnancies, that goes out to all of the pregnant ladies on here, not just 1st trimester.

Sorry to everyone who didn't get pregnant this month. I know what a downer it is to get a bfn.

I'm off to see Dr S tomorrow for my first appointment, I'm quite excited but my husband thinks I should calm down in case he doesn't find anything wrong with me, in which case I'll be gutted. If anyone has any advice before I go please let me know? I'm looking forward to getting the results at the end of June so that I can hopefully start trying again and add myself to your list.

I'm also starting acupuncture this week, hoping that does something. Can anyone tell me if its painful at all?!

Thanks all and bye for now.

[Delta10]

Oh god sue I know exactly how you feel. With DS I couldn't quite believe it as each hurdle passed & mr s is extremely confident at 9 weeks (as opposed to 12 which he told me is just the NHS standard first scan time). I found it a great relief & very reassuring that he was so confident. I also really fretted about my lack of symptoms convinced it was a bad sign but he was quick to point out that preds mask a lot of symptoms. I was on 25mg then so 40mg must really cover them up - I had barely anything throughout the whole pregnancy which in hindsight was great but not when you are an already paranoid wreck!
mollie I found my first appointment with mr s very positive because he was the first mc specialist to tell me that 5 mc's isn't down to bad luck & he truly believed I would 'hold my baby in my arms'. He is very nice but as a few others have mentioned, he can sometimes seem a bit rushed due to his very busy schedule. The first appt will be to go over yr history & arrange blood tests so the follow up will be more informative.
Regarding acupuncture, I have had it many times in the past but haven't been for a few months. I have found it relaxing with the odd needle giving a little sting but only very very rarely & it does seem to help a lot of people with fertility issues so best of luck.

[Delta10]

Whoops sue just realised you had already mentioned the 9 week mark....! Good luck on Thursday, have everything crossed for you.
olives the party sounds like a great distraction! I am just trying to keep calm & positive & hope that everything is where it should be.
free forgot to comment regarding your friends predicament; It feels a very lonely & dark place when you see bumps (seemingly everywhere) but we also know that it it really can happen even when you are practically out of steam & belief.
Hello & good luck to everyone else

[picolina123]

mollie welcome ! had my first acupuncture on sat and i was a bit nervous , i agree with delta i didnt feel anything to talk about for the majority of the needles , maybe 3 i felt a slight pinch(very slight) she asked me to breath in when she put it in and out after, it was very quick, she mostly put them on my tummy, legs, ankle and back. the back ones were only in for a few seconds the front 15 min while she played really calming music and had me covered up, all in all a really positive experience , ive been halving a lot of problem with muscle pain since i came off the steriods and i dont know if its in my mind or not but it seemed to help, i took no pain killers sat, sun and doubt i will today, i go back sat , looking forward to it : )

[suemays]

Thought I would update our list by adding 5 days on.

My sickness has come back today - so much for not having symptoms! I will end up looking like Mr Blobby if not careful as I can't stop eating to lessen the nausea. It would be awful if I wasn't taking the steroids seeing as they are masking it.

Mollie I find acupuncture can hurt a bit around the ankles but it's only for a few seconds as the needles go in. It really relaxes me for the next few days so by the time my next appointment is due I am normally really frantic! It is supposed to help with TTC and also up to 12 weeks of pregnancy as helps with blood flow to the uterus.

Delta I dont think I will believe it will work until I have a baby in my arms. Every hurdle passed is great but then you start worrying that there is more to go wrong and you get more attached.

Tuesday 19th June

The babies are arriving!

Stogan - V high NKC - cycle#2, DC#1, Baby girl Ellyson (DC1) born Sunday (EMCS) 11/03/12 7lb13.5.
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2, Baby boy Franco (DS2) born at 39+0 on Easter Monday, 9/04/12, 8 lbs 12
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks, Baby boy Arthur born at 40+6 13/05/12 3.66kg
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2, baby girl Matilda born DC#2 ? 39 weeks (ELCS) 14/5/12 7 lbs.
Igggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2, DC#2- Baby boy Thomas born (ELCS) at 38+6 16/5/12
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP Clomid cycle#3, DC#1 40+0 - baby girl Amelia born 7/06/12 (ELCS) 7lbs

BFP 3rd Trimester

Freelance - TTC#1 V High NKC Thyroid/hashimotos - 4mcs (4th on 1st Pred cycle) heart stopped around 7-8 weeks, Hydroxy, Pred, Intralipids, Cyclogest, . DC#1 35 wks Next appt/scan, 22nd June EDD 24/07/12 by LMP, 22/07 by Nuchal
Cheerfulcharlie - TTC#1 V High NKC, MTHFR, DC#2/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). 35 wks EDD 24/07/12
batteryhen - High NKC, factor v leiden. DC#1 BFP cycle 3. 31+6
coleyoz - V High NKC. DC#2, BFP cycle2, 31

2nd Trimester

FrozenNorthPole - RMC, NKC status unknown, Cyclogest, aspirin, 26+6
Mercator - V High NKC, DC#2 26+4 (Pred, Intralipids, Cyclogest) 4mcs (1 pre dd, 3 post - all at 6-8 wks)
Hopefulfor2nd - High NKC - TTC#2. - 25+6
dunnit - V High NKC - , IVIG, Cyclogest and Clexane. 25+6
PQ77 - TTC #2, 2 mcs, then DS, followed by 4 mcs - 6-8 weeks. V High NKC (BFP cycle one but mc) 21+2 Next scan @ 20 weeks

1st Trimester

HelterSkelter (IVF and immune therapy) 11
Suemays - TTC#2. DD, followed by 6mcs all 6-8 weeks. V High NKC. Superov but this BFP a natural one. (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine) 7+6

TTC ? ASSISTANCE - SO/IUI/IVF

EchoJuliet, awaiting diagnosis, Preg 1 -MC 10 weeks (heartbeat stopped at 6w), mc 20w, mc at 8 weeks (heartbeat stopped at 6.5w).
Pinkdragon - High NKC. Pred Daughter (after 4 mcs) TTC #2, super ov.
duggs1976 - TTC#1 4 mcs all 7-12 weeks. High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - IVF cycle #1 ?pred, intrallipids, metformin, clexane, cylogest
Havingkittens - TTC#1 4mcs between 6-8 weeks, 2 Downs. Upgraded from High to V High NKC -10 pred ? 3rd cycle SO
Abney (44), TTC#2, SO 2, 6 MC No pred (2 chromosone, 4 unexplained), 1 DS Pred Cycle 1 & fragmin, 4 MC on Pred (1 fragmin),
eurochick - TTC#1 High NKC, pred cycle 6, had 3 cycles of Super Ov, now on 2nd cycle of IUI No BFP in 20+ cycles of trying
Pebbles - TTC#1 High NKC, PCOS, super ov cycle 1 (post IVF - 1 chemical, 1 mc, 2nd chemical on treatment/IVF
Arianrhod - TTC#2 DD then 5 mcs 5-9 wks (2 on treatment), V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)

TTC
London - High NKC, April - mc on treatment.
ChoccyPud - V High NKC - TTC#1 (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine). April - mc on treatment.
Willitbe - TTC#4 DS, DD, 1 mc, DS2, followed by 11mcs, gen 6-8 weeks. NKC not tested, TTC #4 cycle 2 (after m/c 12) Fertility consultant
prescribed pred.
GreenOlives - TTC#2 DS followed by 2mcs, 1 ec, 1 chem. High NKC, decided to only take Pred from BFP
picolina - TTC#1 4 mcs, all around 6 weeks. V High NKC MC on treatment
Holldoll - TTC #2 High NKC - Pred, Cyclogest & aspirin. DS followed by 4 mcs, heart stopped around 5-6wk. Mc in March 2012 on treatment. Pred started at BFP.
Lemonsherbet - TTC#1 v high/high NK, Mthfr, thyroid issues, pred 1st trim & Intralipids 2nd on bfp
buster76 -V High NKC, Factor V Leiden.
BellyD - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, TTC#1 cycle 2, hydroxychloroquine
ScooterChaser - V High NKC - TTC#2 (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)
Carebear1 - V high NKC
Gransol - Seven mcs - all losses between 6 & 7 weeks

Current status?

Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2
Breezyweezy - V High NKC - TTC#1
AandRmum - High NKC
Cornflakes30 - V High NKC, underactive thyroid
Brownstag - V High NKC, 3 yo DS is a Pred Baby! TTC #2
Zoeella V.high NKC, Factor V Leiden. abandoned IVF, pos PCOS

[mollieboo]

delta thank you for the heads up. I have some questions ready for Dr S so hopefully I'll get all the info I need during the appointment. Thanks to delta, pico and sue for the acupuncture info. I am a bit nervous but it sounds very effective.

Keep strong everyone.

[Pebbles73]

Sue thanks so much for posting all the info is always good to know what worked for other people. I have decided to double up on vit D although will see what Mr S says when I start back on super ov next month. Also ordered some selenium and some naturase omega 3.
Sounds like maybe I should be boozing more rather than trying to cut down!

Sorry about the bfn's Abney, Picolina and Ari it's so crap! I emailed Penny at Serum about the tests so will either do that at my next cycle or may see how you get on first Ari

Welcome to the newbies.

I have a bit of a dilema I was discussing with Free yesterday, I started the pred on cd18 but had 'indications' it happened around cd21/22. This means when I am due to stop the pred after taking for 14 days will prob be to early for my af!! Do I just stop taking the pred after 14 days regardless as an sure the chance of getting a bfp will be minimal?! I just think if I test then it would be bfn anyway as a bit early...,
Happy to see I seem to be ov anyway straight after the chemical.

Free don't forget to let me know about the Wednesday. Waves to anyone I have missed.

[suemays]

pebbles glad the info helped. I don't mind doubling up when it's vitamins. I wouldn't take any more than 14 days of the preds as it could mess up your cycle next month if you get a bfn. I only used to take 10 days as advised by mr s and he said its not a problem if you have a gap of a few days if you do get a bfp.

[Pebbles73]

Great thanks so much for that Sue will just stop at 14 days. Hope all ok with you and will be looking out for news of your next scan. :)

[eurochick]

Evening ladies. I am feeling rather unsettled after coming home to my first ever abnormal smear result (particularly as the accompanying leaflet says not to get pregnant ...). Anyway, having spent most of the evening consulting dr google, I have come across a few sites that indicate that people on steroids and other immunosuppressants should have annual smears rather than the usual 3 yearly ones. It does seem a bit of a coincidence that my first ever abnormal result came a week and a half after I finished 6 months of immunosuppressants... Hopefully now I am taking a break things will return to normal. But the timing really couldn't be worse - I am in the middle of my first IVF cycle now. I have a GP appointment on Monday to discuss and get some advice.

I don't want to alarm anyone with this, but I just wanted to say to you all to keep your smear tests up to date (in any case but particularly in light of the steroids) and perhaps to try to get more frequent tests than usual.

[Pebbles73]

Oh shit Euro!!!! Am so sorry the timing couldn't be worse and after you just got your head round ivf. Are you going to carry on down regging until you see the doctor Monday? Do you have a follow up appointment with the hospital? I had abnormal cells many years ago and when I had the follow up appointment they just zapped them there and then. I imagine you are feeling pretty pissed off and worried right now. I hope it doesn't delay things to much for you.

[freelancegirl]

Oh Euro that is indeed a real worry, a right pain and very annoying timing!

Like Pebbles I had what they call 'severe dyskariosis' (sp?) a few years ago and when I went for the follow up appointment they zapped the cells there and then. Since then I have had yearly smears like you say. Amazing you found a link between that and immunosuppressants. I was a bit freaked out by the term 'severe' in relating to the cells but apparently what they have found at this stage is very very early and is a precursor to dodgy cells rather than actual dodgy cells IFKWIM?

Let us know how the GP appointment goes. I hope they don't say interrupt the the cycle and they can check progress without doing so. There is a possibility that they check again and nothing needs doing - I have had that a couple of times too. Lets hope for that outcome. But yes, good advice to everyone to have regular smears considering the connection between the steroids.

Funnily enough although I know a lot of people - like Sue says it was for her - have been told by Mr S to take 10 days of Pred, my protocol says to take 14 days. So I think you're fine with 14 days Pebbles and if you have to miss a couple of days before testing it will be in your system. There are people here who have only started Pred after a BFP. And is it Charlie who didn't have Pred this cycle at all? Just intralipids. I realise you aren't going to be on intralipids but I still don't think a couple of days without pred would do any harm, if you were then to get a BFP.

Good luck with the appointment Mollie! Have you had tests already is this your very first appointment? If the latter you will just have a tests and put the tests into action. But it is a good step to get into the system and can all happen quite quickly after that!

I am away at the moment seeing my family up north - hence the comparatively quiet radio silence. Also got quite a bit of work to do when I do get the laptop out. Scan at Epsom general followed by an appt with Mr S this Friday, so anticipating that a bit. I am still veering from ok to worried about the whole thing. Baby had been moving a lot - so I of course worry if it is too much. It kind of thumps and shudders quite a bit which is quite unnerving - is that normal? No idea what position it is in now! I guess all will come a lot clearer on Friday.

Oh one of my NCT group had a baby on Monday! 4 weeks early. All is well I hear.

Am wondering how PQ is? Did you have a scan in the last week? Hope all is well. How too are Olives and Delta with the new BFPS? Do let us know when your first scan dates are so we can do some hand holding if it helps.

Hello to everyone else. Hope Digi, Stogan, Comedy and Coconut are all doing ok with the babies. Are you posting on the Pred grads thread? I've fallen off it so will have to bookmark soon and will hopefully join you on the other side with Charlie in the near future.

Wondering how Snoopy is getting on with the treatment too. Snoops if you're lurking do let us know how you are!

[PQ77]

hi, welcome mollie and delta. I've been AWOL for a bit as I have RSI which was nicely taken care of by the pred but has now reared up again now that I am off it and i can't take anti-inflamatories. So no typing over the weekend.

talk about the last thing you needeuro ...i've had annual smears for about 15 years now after an odd one at uni. i got zapped by a gynae with silver nitrate and it was sorted in about 5 mins. I hope you can get treated quickly and back on course.

free hope you are enjoying your tour up north! And I hope all goes well on Friday. I had my20 week scan last friday but after three hours of trying, baby would not budge an inch ad they couldn't see any of the important things they check for, like the heart and kidneys (and, incidentally, the gender!). was a bit upset as i had been hoping for some reassurance that I was a "normal pregnant person". Anterior placenta which explains lack of kicks (or rather my ability to feel much).

Consultant appt and then repeat scan before work today (which is why I am up so early - DS fell out of bed at 4am and I haven't been able to get back to sleep!).

Assumng the scan this morning doesn;t turn up anything untoward, i'll be in italy with work for the rest of this week (37 degrees...black woollen maternity dress and black opaque tights...picture it) so might not get another chance to post.

Hope everyone keeps well! will be thinking of you today sue

[brownstag]

Hallo everyone again and congrats to all who are pregnant or have had babies since I was last on here.
To update my status, I stopped treatment for a few cycles but started SO this cycle. Only one follicle on the letrozole. I'm no longer on pred, just hydroxy now, because of side effects. Am 6dpo. My previous status says very high natural killer cells, but actually they were only ever high. In fact I've only ever had one test, 3 years ago when I was pregnant with my son, so who knows what they're like now.

[suemays]

Scan went well, measuring 8 wks 3 days and heartbeat of 198. Having intrallipids now so trying to type with one hand !

[Arianrhod]

Fantastic news sue! And welcome back brownstag :)