TTC 10 plus months, Part 7

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A friendly, supportive thread for those of us who are taking a bloody long little longer time than average to conceive.

PS and awe at the periods to athens move. Fingers crossed some AB might help!

Nellie- I sense the dark cloud lifting in your house. As someone said before, sometimes a big blow out is needed to clear the air - this may lead to a much happeir place.

Frannie - your consultant is arrogant and rude . Can you request another consultant at your clinic?

Care - good on you for the Athens test - we are all excited to hear how you get on with the antibiotics. A few of us have decided they are the secret missing link to conception.

Buzzy - really excited for you about the IUI.

Critter - have a lovely time with your sister.

Hello to Lemons

Euro - I think taking one day at a time is wise. You are in total control.
I will never be joyfull abou the fact I need IVF. I don't think it is the perfect solution for me, but it is a possible solution. Our clock is ticking so loud (DH age) so for me this is a motivating factor.

I think if you did get to the 'eggs potentially ferilising stage' you may feel very different again. The focus shifts on to a new life force which is other than you and DH - so you may start to feel 'protective' over any emerging embryos. Now I have embryos in the freezer, I am commited to them and I owe it to them to give them a chance. And I am grateful to them for giving me a chance.

I know I am sounding a bit 'woo like' but just wanted to give you another perspective about what may happen next. Im NOT saying you should continue with IVF regardless. But.....If you feel this awful with downreging, chances are you will feel super with stimming - because it has the opposite effect.

I hope you don't mind me saying but I do have one suggestion.....Why not make your final decision about whether you are going to stop or continue IVF during the stimming stage. At this point you will see your follicles developing. At this stage you will have experinced the low of down regging and the high of stimming. You will also see the follicles on the screen and can decide if they should be popped out for IVF insemination or left alone. This way you also won't lose your free NHS cycle if you do decide to stop as you won't have procedded to egg colection (this is the case in my PCT but check yours). I wonder if this will give you a really balanced perspective??

Best of luck. xxx

carebear Wooo Hooooo. I am so impressed that you actually sent your period to Athens (bet the witch wasn't expecting that!). Like princess said I am going to wait with bated breath as to what happens next for you and then step up the whining "but I want to send my blood to Greece toooooo" campaign on DH.

Absolute divvy alert but what actually are the implications of having these bacteria/infections on TTC?

carrie I'm waiting for the results of my Chlamydia swab test at my appointment in July. I reckon I will have the same feelings of "dirty slag" if it comes back positive, which is ridiculous, but I think society is conditioned to view STIs as something only promiscuous people get. Nonsense but there you go!

critter good luck with your blood test and hope you and your sister have fun.

euro I can understand your predicament with the IVF drugs thing and how it kind of carried you on a bit of a wave that you couldn't get off. That's bad. It is ironic that we wait AGES for anything to happen on the hospital front and then suddenly it is all systems go and we are expected to just fall into line. I'm glad that you and MrE have talked it all through and seem to have a plan going forward.

joycep at f* off"!!!!!! God if I had ever said that to my Mum she would have hotfooted it home to tan my arse!!!!!!!!
I didn't know about Carla Bruni being pregnant again. Maybe the first pregnancy kickstarted her body into action. You sometimes hear of that happening and second babies being easier to conceive than the first. I have often joked to MrP that knowing our luck if we have one baby we would fall pregnant again stupidly quickly and end up with two babies too very close together wishful thinking maybe

mrsd I'm so glad that you are feeling a bit better. A sore throat is utterly miserable.
No DH didn't say a word to his mother, to say that is a bone of contention between us at the moment is an understatement!

princess I did laugh at your foot in mouth situation and being dragged off by MrP. I was "told off" by DH for saying to him in the clinic yesterday about whether he thought that it was obvious we were barrens too. I was told by him in no uncertain terms that the label barren was not appropriate in that setting. FGS I was whispering!

nelly sorry about the arrival of your period. I felt stupidly optimistic last cycle because of the lap and HSG and opportunely timed cold and like you was a bit gutted when my period turned up. Hope that you and MrN have made it up today.

I had my second scan yesterday and apparently ovulation lift off is likely today (seeing as it wasn't yesterday IYSWIM?). I am dipping my OPKs and got ridiculously excited over a faint positive yesterday, which is actually a negative and kept looking at it & thinking if only I could piss that result on an HPT. My body is telling me that ovulation is today. If I don't get a positive do you think that I ought to shag today anyway despite the doctor saying only to shag when we get a positive? God this is so confusing....
Oh and DH told me the fabulous news that he is going away to SE Asia for 10 days for work. I am now seriously panicking about whether the travel jabs will do something awful to his sperm (never mind my worries about if we are put on Clomid and do Super Ovulation at my next appointment that he will miss the crucial time for SWI). I hate all these worries over something that is so straightforward for practically the rest of the population [grrrr]

Ohhh and lemons massive good luck for your lap. Let us know how it went? XXX

Fyi, the serum clinic have emailed and given me the following advice (which is very similar to Agate's advice on her fertility friends page: (www.fertilityfriends.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=242395.0)

ANTIOBITICS TREATMENT
　
The treatment needs to be followed by both partners at the same time.

The antibiotics should be taken after your main meal, in order to avoid digestive problems.
Alcohol intake should be avoided during treatment period.
　
Day 1: 4 pills of zithromax (azithromycin) 250mg* all together preferably with empty stomach
Day 2: NOTHING
Day 3-7: Erythromycin 500mg, 2 tablets/ day, one in the morning and one in the evening. Please avoid dairy products one hour before and one hour after the tablet.
Day 8: 4 pills of zithromax (azithromycin) 250mg* all together preferably with empty stomach
Day 9-24: Erythromycin 500mg, 2 tablets/ day, one in the morning and one in the evening. Please avoid dairy products one hour before and one hour after the tablet.

Day 25: 4 pills of zithromax 250mg* all together preferably with empty stomach

She said that I don't necessarily have to stop other fertility treatment but can carry on and take this at the same time. However DH and I have had a good chat through about things and have decided to stop ttc completely and take the antibiotics first, give it a couple of months and then see where we are. I really want to see what effect clearing this up has (if any) on my cycle - i get so much random bleeding i'd like to know if this has been the cause. So am going to try Princess's brown diet alongside it for the next couple of months. I'll have to search back through the posts for the rules! This might not be my only issue, and if this still doesn't work then I can accept I need fertility treatment if that turns out to be the case, but i'd love to see if this works on its own. we shall see...!

Just wanted to pop in and thank you care for the info and the link you provide above. Really useful and interesting stuff.

Just as an aside, the main drug invloved here is the very same doxycyline that is used as malaria prophylaxis we were talking about a few pages back (and is not prescribed for TTC or in pregnancy - the link provided by care has some interesting points regarding the use of doxy close to or during pg)

I'm glad you had a chat and made a plan (including brown diet!) makes sense. I do hope this is it for you.

Pout I kept getting mixed readings with the opks so now I use the cheap line ones then when I think its a strong line I use one of the expensive digital smile tests and that method works for me

Hello ladies, gazillions of thanks for all the very wise words over the past few days and equally many apologies for not keeping on top of things on the thread.....it's been a horribly busy week in always land. Also pretty momentous in that yesterday (June 29th) was when I would have been due first time round if it wasn't for December mc. And we always assumed (naively!!) that we would be well pg by June. It's actually quite a relief that the date has now passed....no more pressure and all that, and hopefully things will look up soon.

Nelly thanks for your advice about keeping up with the thread. Reckon my chances of getting away with being on MN at work are literally NIL thanks to manic robotic micromanaging boss but hey ho - there's always the evening....I just need to get better at keeping track of the thread!

Happy Saturday/Sunday?! all you lovely ladies xx

care just a random thought on the doxy; perhaps you knew already or the clinic told you, it can cause extra senstivity to the sun in some people. Might be a non-issue if you are UK based (!) but perhaps keep it in mind and be extra careful with sunscreen if you are in the sun. It just popped into my head, I remember a friend taking it years ago and getting horrid sun burn because she wasn't warned.

care I'm an idiot reading off the serum protocol at the link you provided not off your prescription which is not the same. Sorry.

Interesting, care. Thanks for posting that. I'm disappointed to see they now use Erythromycin. I had an allergic reaction to that years ago. When I had my HSG the standard protocol was for me to take an antibiotic from the same family beforehand, but they (after much faffing and consulting the pharmacy) prescribed me the Doxy instead. I decided not to take it as I hate unnecessary drugs (says the women injecting herself with loads of them each evening). On that basis, I think I will have these tests via Gorgy, so I can discuss the treatment options with someone face to face if the results do come back positive.

Hi ladies. Hope you are all having a good weekend!

I loved all the indie bands talk! pout I'm v intrigued by who your exboyf might have been! euro and princess am v of your Blur tickets. I really wanted to go (although was more of an oasis fan back in the day), but mrgin wasn't keen. A 10 plusers meet up at the gig would have been amusing and something to add to the not having kids perks!

care I too am super impressed at you sending your period to Greece and still wondering how it's done. How interesting that they picked up those infections. Were they able to give any indication about whether most people would have them if screened, or whether they are something that would prevent a pregnancy??

lemons Ooo, that is good news about having the lap booked. Good luck with it!

purple I've taken the doxy antibs as anti malerials and second what you say about the sun and also causing bad stomach aches.

always sorry it has been your due date anniversary. Sounds like you managed it well.

euro how are things going with you? Do you know when you're going to start the stims? Will you carry on with it? My situation was v different in that we know that without ivf (well icsi), we can't have a child. Even so, I had bad days and freaked out about the surgery. Must be so tough when you don't even know why you are doing it, other than to ward off future regrets. I agree with sarlet that once you see the follies growing you may feel a bit more positive about it or find it easier to make a decision about whether to stop.

pout I found ov pee sticks with lines on them difficult to use. Smiley face ones are much easier although fecking expensive. I would dtd today? I like the idea of a monitoring cycle and finding out that everything is working.

carrie no more feeling dirty or slaggy, unless it's in a good way!

critter good luck for Monday. Have you done a sneaky pee stick? I know I would! Have a great time with your sister.

buzzy I'm pleased to hear that you have come up with a plan. Fx for an improvement in mrb's SA. Sounds like he's doing all the right things.

mrsd hope you have had a restful weekend and are feeling better.

artemis pleased to hear the tail feathers are perkier! Sounds like you have some big decisions ahead of you.

princess I agree with you bout the hoxton kids! I live fairly near Brixton, which appears to be catching hoxtonitis, although hasn't quite reached the same level of twatiness!

nelly so sorry to hear about the troubles in your household. I hope things have been better over the weekend. I think frannie nailed it with what she said about ttc stress. There is no way I could have planned my wedding and contemplated ivf at the same time. I'm sure you guys will make it but this ttc shite does put so much pressure on relationships. Men just don't feel it in the same way and I find ttc makes everything so much harder to deal with. I end up having a huge pity party and going on about what a crap time I'm having if anything else goes wrong - ie 'oh no I've burnt dinner and our ivf didn't work', runs to bed sobbing.

frannie your consultant sounds utterly shit. Could you see another one or go private? I find I need a clear plan of action with regards to ttc next steps and it sounds like he has totally failed to give you this. Any news about your exciting non ttc news?!

joy I think your idea of trying the additional tests before doing ivf is a good idea. Agrc is so expensive that I think you will need to be 100% committed before starting. I couldn't wait to have my first go and we went for it as soon as we could. The fact you postponed your cycle may indicate that you aren't quite ready for it. I'm sure no one ever really wants ivf, but I think you know when you are ready to go through with it.

Hello to teu, purple, wine and everyone I've missed!

Well the Stone Roses were ace (well, Ian Brown still can't sing but the rest of em were good!). The gig was hilarious in that there were loads of 40 something's revisiting their hacienda days, complete with baggy jeans, those 90s hats, Madchester swagger and a shit load of drugs! Thank god we're not in an ivf cycle, as I must have passively smoked several spliffs...

Before we went we had a scare with our furry baby, who we thought was dying - cue lots of hysterical sobbing- but she seems fine now. My period has started but at least the awful pmt seems to have subsided and my cycle length is almost back to normal.

Has anyone read Ben Elton's Inconceivable? It's really really brilliant and I would recommend it. It's based on his own experiences of ttc (they have ivf twins I think) and he captures everything perfectly, plus is v v funny. It's also really good for a male perspective on it all. If anyone wants it once I've finished, pm me and I'll post it to you. I am slightly to read it in the train, as it's covered in sperms and I'm convinced everyone will be thinking 'look there's a barren'!!

Ha that's funny gin read that book years ago and me and Mr Purple were talking TTC stuff on Friday night and the very same book came up in the conversation. I agree, it's good, I remember it really well even though it's so long since I read it.

joy based on my own experience, I would say don't go for IVF until you are sure you are ready for it. I really wish we had exhausted other diagnostic options before going down this road. If you are not ready, there is a risk of turning into a mental case like me!

I have read a few Ben Elton books but not that one, gin. I will download it to my kindle later. That way I don't have to advertise my barren state on the train

Sunday greetings!

I am a right mardy cow today. This may be;
Hormonal - what on earth is going on inside me, it's like my ovaries are playing ping pong and a general feeling of pmt.
Weather related - where is summer? I want to potter in the garden but it is raining. Again.
Convalescence - bored of it now. Whilst I feel mostly mended in normal activities I am hugely missing my yoga hobbling and runs. I feel flabby and unfit. I can do about a quarter of my normal practice. And then it aches for three days. Agh!!!
And at old chestnut - TT-fucking-C. I read way too many fertility friends 'moving on' stories on Friday and got myself in a right hole of sorrow.
Not Drinking - where is my wine? Where?

Poor husband. He is doing jobs in the rain. Probably to get away from my miserable face. I'm not that bad really, but thought I'd do some moaning on here! Anyway, I think I missed the reasons to be cheerful that babies aren't here yet. Mine include many already listed, especially unbroken sleep. Also.

Not having to eat tea at 5.30.
Not having to do the school run/heamorraghe cash on child care
Freedom to go out when we want and come home when we want.
Shopping minus buggy minus worries about where the lifts are/where the breastfeeding friendly places are/baby changing etc.
Not having to pack a small holidays worth of baby stuff every time I leave the house.
Boobs same as when I was a teenager. Pelvic floor and sphincter muscle in tact.
I still look young. Friends with children appear to have aged in some kind of accelerated way.
I don't have to watch mr tumble or in the night garden.
I don't need to change stinking nappies.
Not worrying about my baby. I know I'm going to be the most fretting kind of mother because of my unhealthy relationship with dr google.

Also, I was at the traffic lights this morning watching the car next to me. In it was a teenage boy, say about 15, in full emo attire. He was looking sullenly straight ahead and his mum who was driving was shouting and looked as if she was about to cry. When I think of having a kid I tend not to think of teenage angst years. I work with teenagers and don't want to live with them!

But I'd sign up to all of the above if I was guaranteed a bfp. Except the sphincter muscles, there would have to be some bartering about that. I wrecked my mums and so have personal insight into just how bad that can be!

But enough of me.

euro how's it going? Hope the weekend has made days seem a bit quicker. I know this has been a gruelling soul searching time for you and I hope you are hanging in there.

care thanks for sharing with us and well done in your valiant Greek efforts! I have so many questions about all of that and will be watching your experience if I can - where do you normally reside in threads? I too wonder how many people would test positive in the general population. I have seen some people test negative for hidden c in other forums but haven't yet seen someone test negative for everything. It seems to make sense to me that if there are immune reactions taking place and raised nk cells then maybe loads of people have these bugs but some people don't tolerate them well or something? I really hope this is the piece of the puzzle for you.

pout i continue to be jealous of your cycle monitoring and will be asking about this at my next apt. So glad an egg is at the ready. Did they say why not to shag til you see a positive? I often wonder if the sperm is depleted by the time my egg pops out.

gin I forgot about that book, I haven't read it and it would be good to wad funny things about it for a change.

nelly I hope the weekend has been a good time to bury the hatchet and do nice things together. I always think that there is lots of lovely passion in the nelly residence and with that I guess there is there is the potential for both sexy and other sorts of firey sparks to go off! Cd1 hormones in the mix must have been a big pile of poo. Big hug to you.

Well I wave to the ttc 10plus masses. I think I'm going to go and be nice to mr wine and his valiant efforts to make the house nice.

euro - are you feeling any better this weekend? Your advice is very well taken. I just don't feel ready for it yet. Although several months ago I felt like July was d-day and was trying to mentally get read for it, now it is here, I feel i need to explore more options first.

buzzy - i have been a lazy drug supplier, I have yet to research but leave it with me

carebear - that's all really interesting. I was talking to my acupuncturist last week about hidden c. Again he's obviously not a doctor but he says he has spoken to gynae's about it and they're not convinced it's actually chlamydia but says that they should call it an 'unknown bacterial infection'. He has seen people who have been treated for it and people have got pregnant afterwards. My husband was tested for ureaplasma and gardeneralla {i haven't} but they all came back negative. I'm going to be so interested to see what comes back with mine. I kind of weirdly want them to find something. That sounds odd but it may answer a few questions as to why my period has changed. But again I would be very surprised if they did find something as neither hubby or I have had particularly colourful sex lives! I will be so interested to see what happens with you. It sounds like a good idea to halt the fertiliyt treatment and see how you get on with this. Hurrah to us helping out the Greek economy as well!

critter - really best of luck tomorrow! Let us know as soon as!

lemon - don't get me started on people's deranged ideas that somehow they think ivf is a lifestyle choice. I have noticed the newspapers [ok the Daily Hell in particular-why I read it I will never know] love writing about women putting their careers before kids and then getting to 40 and doing ivf. It gives it such a negative press and makes people think that all women are dealying motherhood on purpose.

pout - i think this gives a kind of good reason of the implications of having bacterial infections: "Infections particularly chlamydia, mycoplasma and ureaplasma can last and recur for years. Such infections make it unsuitable for the embryos to implant or the pregnancy to continue.Infections especially long lasting ones can agitate your immune system and make it over-reactive i.e. increase your natural cell and other immune components activity. The latter will make the environment in you uterus hostile for the embryos and the pregnancy. If the infection is enclosed in blocked tubes, they can cause hydrosalpinx, which means that the tube contains potentially infectious fluid."
Pout - I couldn't imagine saying 'f off' to my mother. I onced said 'Oh my god' and I was sent to my bedroom for the whole afternoon!! And no my parents aren't super church goers either just pretty strict. I have also pretty much convinced myself that once we have one, i will have a least a few more in quick succession. I have only found the smiley opks to be effective, otherwise you could spend a whole afternoon trying to decipher whether the lines are dark enough to warrent a 'yes let's go for it'. Sorry that MrP has to go away, that's really annoying.

gin - that's sound advice. I certainly can wait for ivf so i think that is very telling. Glad you had fun at the Stone Roses.

wine - sorry you are feeling downbeat today. Booo. I honestly think the weather has a lot to do with things [well and obviously 2 years of ttc plays its part too grr].

Ok so you remember I wrote some of those more dark things about why we should be cheerful babies aren't here? Well has anyone watched 'We Need to Talk about Kevin' ? It's on Sky movies at the moment and hubby and I watched it last night...you know because we are such cheerful people. Wow. That film is exactly what I was talking about and has momentarily put me off having a kid. And Hubby even had a nightmare about Kevin last night!

I hope everyone else had a good weekend.

joycep where does that quote about the infections come from? I'm interested in reading more about this stuff.

I'm another one who only really got on with the smiley face opks. I couldnt be bothered with all the interpreting of which line was darkest.

I read Kevin earlier this year. I haven't seen the film though.

I managed to pop round and see my preggo friend this afternoon. It was good actually. For obvious reasons I left out the stuff about not being sure I want an IVF baby, but otherwise we had a frank chat and she was very sympathetic. She had no problems downregging but has PCOS and hugely overstimulated on the stimms and her cycle was almost cancelled. I am worried that I have that to look forward to as I had OHSS symptoms on one of my three Letrozole cycles.

I'm still feeling a bit fucked up about all of this but more resigned to going ahead, although still not really happy about the prospect.

evening ladies

I can't believe the weekend is already over not sure what I've done with the time

care thanks for sharing :)

critter fingers crossed for you for tomorrow

joy at least care has listed what we need, perhaps we should just place a bulk order and ask for a discount

wine big hugs

always big hugs for your due date, I didn't cope well with mine but can totally relate to the thinking you'll be pregnant by the time it arrives. All my 'target' dates have past now so I suppose Christmas is my next one

ginHow is your fur baby ??? i'm hoping that all this stuff will do something, he seems more into now, secretly hoping he'll be up to shagging soon, even if its just for fun :)

euro how are you feeling??

nelly how are things with you??

Well i'm having my follicle tracking scan tomorrow, taking the afternoon off to go into London, not telling work that though, Mr B is going in to work tomorrow too, hopefully MIL will stop ringing us stalking us he said he might be up for shagging next weekend might try luck before hand, it feels like its been ages that I've almost forgotten how to do it.... oh yes just lie back and think of home

waves to everyone else

euro - i just took that from Dr Gorgy's site: www.fertility-academy.co.uk/recurrent-failure/infection-screening/
When do you start stimming? I hope they keep a close eye on you if you are prone to OHSS. All the emotional crap that goes with ivf just sounds awful.

buzzy - sounds like a plan to me! I hope the tracking scan goes well tomorrow.

Hi everyone,

Hope you've all had nice weekends - just watched the Italy vs Spain match in a bar here - poor old Italy!

buzzy hope the follicle tracking goes well tomorrow, and that you have a chance to do something fun when you're in London... a bit of shopping perhaps? :)

euro I am thinking of you and really, really hoping that you're feeling better. You're very brave to see your pregnant friend - I'm glad it went well, and I think you're doing brilliantly with this whole huge emotional roller coaster.

joyce I haven't seen the film of Kevin but I did read the book and did not enjoy it, pretty awful! I felt really sad after reading it - think I will stick to stuff with happy(ish) endings! Can't imagine watching the film, bet it was totally terrifying!

Gin The Stone Roses gig sounds like huge fun. I haven't read Inconceivable, but I have been toying with watching the film on On Demand... I think it's meant to have a comedy cameo from Rowan Atkinson as a gyno in it.

wine - love the phrase 'hole of sorrow'. I'm afraid I was totally that emo sullen teenager and remember that I managed to make my mum cry on at least one occasion being a horrible brat - the time I remember was in John Lewis. I also have definitely told her to f*ck off (when a teenager! I wouldn't dream of it now!). Nice, real nice. I was clearly a charming teenager. . Luckily she has forgiven me for all the crap I put her through and we are super close, talking on the phone almost every day. I always think it's particularly crappy luck that my mum's menopause coincided with me and my sister's adolescence. I don't know how she coped with us. My dad had to be the peacemaker. Dark days indeed.

sarlat - just wanted to say your new doctor sounds great, and it's wonderful that you are going to move forward with the massaged and natural FET. I have everything crossed for you.

lemon aaargh at the lifestyle comment about IVF. Grrrr.

pout hope you got in some action over the smiley face time!

always sorry about your due date anniversary. That must be really difficult.

carrie please don't feel slaggy (unless, as someone else said, it's in a good way!)! I have HPV (not the warty one thank goodness, but a strain of the virus) and have only had sex with two people thanks to a geeky, brace-wearing, spotty and socially awkward youth combined with meeting Mr C fairly young. So many people have some sort of bug going on, it's got nothing to do with slagdom!

nelly hope things have settled down with mr nelly. I can't believe how stressful it must be to plan a wedding and think about IVF at the same time. I had a lot of fights with mr critter while wedding planning, to the extent that my mum asked me whether I was sure I wanted to go through with it!

One more thing to add to the no children list - today I went shopping with my sister and we passed a couple we know who have an 18 month old, in the playground with loads of other parents and toddlers. They looked bored to shit and were staring into space not talking to each other. And I thought, I'm glad I am going shopping with my sis, to spend money on nice clothes not nappies, and then maybe to have an adult beverage in a loud bar with other grown ups and talk about stuff unrelated to babies. Take that, parenthood!

Well, I have done a test with an Amazon cheapie - a resounding BFN. I don't feel any different at all, so I'd be stunned if my blood test tomorrow came back positive. But on the bright side, I'll just be relieved to get my period on its own, without having to take progesterone to induce it. So long as I've ovulated, I won't mind the BFN so much - at least it means I am finally 'in the game' so to speak. Of course this would be the month when the battery on my BBT ran out and therefore I haven't been tracking temps. I need to sort that out.

Critter sorry 'bout the BFN but your comments are smart and postive ones. Mmm battery, I was just thinking about that, another stupid little job to add to the list.

Buzzy the best of luck for today. Nelly hope things are looking rosier in your household. Pout those pee sticks were tricky for me to figure out back in the day when I bothered. I don't do it now, I'm sheltered/isolated from all cheap or otherwise Internet purchases (as I can't get anything send here). I spend a lot of time wondering if this lack of access is a blessing or curse. Unless there are low sperm count issues, it's my understanding that the starting shagging too far in advance of ovulation is more likely to wear out will to continue rather than sperm.

I found myself in our local DVD place this weekend taking sideways glances at the diffed ladies exercise DVDs again wondering which looked the best. It's fucking ridiculous, putting aside the likelihood of me actually pregnant, I have never even thought about having an exercise DVD, why would pregnant-me be needing one?

Oh, lastly, for the list: not having to empty the pockets of a toddler after they have been shop lifting in a National Museum shop.

Happy Monday all.

Buzzy - good luck for today - wishing you shiney, happy follicles (I use to talk to mine / warm them with a bottle to bring them on)

Critter - sorry for the BFN - but it's great that you ovulated and you body is behaving. Just enjoy the next few months of trying.

Whoever up thread asked about my new woo massage - it is called maya abdominal massage. There are only a handful of practioners in the country. Mine is based in Yorkshire and the website is called 'birth vision.' But just have a google in your area and you may find someone.

Thanks for all the positive vibes about FET and nice new consultant etc. However, now I have got my knickers in a twist that this still won't work for me due to hidden infection as per above Dr Gogry information. Especially as I have hydrosalpinx. I did ask my consultant for antibiotics but she said there was no sign of infection in me - and NHS don't really go deeper than that. Why, why do I have to find new things to panic about. Even if I did the blood to Greece thing, could they help me considering i am going to be having FET soon? How long do the results take? Aaaagh, don't know what to do.

Oh poor you sarlet I can see how knickers could be well and truly twisted over this. The timeframe is on here somewhere, did you check back through? I recall care saying she was advised that she didn't have to stop here treatment if she didn't want to (though a totally different situation I know). What do you think about emailing them and asking if they could help in these circumstances? They do seem to response fast, as I have read.

Sarlat - oh shit that wasnt a clever cut and paste I did up thread. Sorry that wasn't helpful. Please try not to worry what it says above - everyone is different and everyone has different advice. You should put your trust in your consultant and concentrate on the next FeT. Hopefully it will never get to that but at least there is some avenue to explore with AB if first FET doesn't work. but sending positive vibes to you that first FET will work. Incidentally when are you going to do it?

Critter - oh no sorry about the bfn. Your attitude is good though and everything sounds like it is a huge step forward.