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TTC 10 plus months, Part 7

996 replies

lisacn · 09/05/2012 18:27

A friendly, supportive thread for those of us who are taking a bloody long little longer time than average to conceive.

OP posts:
mrsden · 28/06/2012 12:49

I could add no stretch marks to the list.
Don't smell of milk.
Don't have to share my chocolate with anyone.
Can go on city breaks and last minute holidays.
Long lie ins

Poutintrout · 28/06/2012 13:42

Not having to tether your bookcases to the walls
Having vases and breakables at kiddie eye level (this one is a biggie for me)
Having a ridiculously heavy TV perching precariously on two bedside tables pushed together without the worry of it falling and crushing a toddler

mrsden · 28/06/2012 13:44

Don't have to lock away cleaning products.

GinSoaked · 28/06/2012 14:00

-Don't have to share my i phone with anyone/have folders of crap kids games on it.
-Can swear whenever I want.
-Supposedly can shag loudly without fear of waking the kids.
-don't have to take child friendly holidays and find restaurants that sell chips

  • can go to gigs
-we can both get drunk/be hungover at the same time.

Oh and I second artemis' comment about those without kids looking younger. It was VERY noticeable on a recent hen do [bitch emoticon]

Hi sarlet. So pleased your new consultant was so much better and positive. What a dick your old one was. When do you think you'll go for the FET cycle?

mrsd hope the tonsillitis is abating. I've had some terrible bouts. Found soluable aspirin worked best. And ice cream.

euro do keep going. I'm sure you will feel better when you start gonal f. I really did feel good on it. Kinda broody if that makes sense. Although buzzy sorry to hear you aren't getting in with it.

wine sounds to me like ovulation! Get on that horse.

Poutintrout · 28/06/2012 14:03

Cream carpets
Peppering sentences with expletives
Devoting the spare room as an office

Poutintrout · 28/06/2012 14:05

Being able to judge/roll eyes at other peoples kids when they are having a tantrum in Tesco because obviously our mythical children would NEVER behave like that.

ArtemisTheHunter · 28/06/2012 14:35

not having to pop a boob out in front of DP's father (or anybody for that matter) in order to feed a screaming child

Ohhh and the swearing... fuck yeah Grin

carrieonlaughing · 28/06/2012 15:17

Well I posted but the sight went down.
What I said was I have another one for the list, I've just stuck two fingers up at TTC and got a huge tattoo.
Let's just hope this isn't the month I do get pregnant lol

carrieonlaughing · 28/06/2012 15:52

I already have a DD so thought I would share some of the not great points of being a parent.
You don't mistakenly ask someone if they need a wee wee before you leave the house.
You don't go to work with a noddy sticker on your bum.
You haven't recently been hit in the face with a book/car/shoe.
You haven't felt the warm wetness of someone vomiting on you ad had the thought at least its warm, only to realise that top has to go over your head and is fitted round the face.
And finally I have no idea what it like to go to the toilet or have a bath on my own. If its a bath someone needs a poo and if I am on the loo there is something vital they just have to tell me.
Why do I want another lol?

joycep · 28/06/2012 17:46

I like this game!

Warning: mine have more of a sinister theme:
Don?t have to worry that they will have a personality disorder and become a monster.
Don?t have to face those competitive mummies at the school gate who are broadcasting that their little darling got 94% in maths
Won?t have to worry about what your child decides to do in life...drug addict, join the army and go to war, mountaineer...serial killer.
[sadly if you saw me in the nud [shudder], i could pass for a woman who had given birth several times...stretch marks are awful so I can?t put that on my list]

euro - it all sounds very unpleasant , poor you. How long does this down regging go on for?

wine - fabulous that you are on good form. You have been through so much so it is time you felt good. Also, i would crack on with things with MrWine , your body is obviously resetting itself Wink

gin sorry about the family funeral. Even if it?s an oldie, it?s still terribly sad. .

buzzy - ooh antibiotics off the net i hear you say...you know what i?ll be googling when i get home. Smile

sarlat - hurrrrahhhh that you had a sensible, positive conversation with a consultant with bed side manners. I?m so pleased. You sound more upbeat which is great as you should be and with 5 fab embies in the freezer, it surely is only a matter of time now. I think it was a good move taking your husband and your mother along. I can imagine doctors are more inclined to be nicer and give you the time of day...it sort of reminds me of school -whenever my parents use to come to my school, the nasty teachers showed a different side and were utterly charming. Although I?m not suggesting this consultant would have been nasty if they weren?t there!

artemis - i liked the little historical facts you posted. I wanna know more about the Victorians sex lives please!

mrsd - oh yes, friends forgetting birthday is a common one. My very close friend totally forgot mine last year. She had given birth a month before hand and you would think I would give her the benefit of the doubt but not a chance. I had literally found myself crying in to her arms when she was pregnant and she knew what we were going through and now that she had a baby , i kind of felt betrayed that she couldn?t even remember my birthday. The stupid thing is, if she hadn?t have had a baby, I wouldn?t have cared!

Loving the 28 degree heat in London today.

GinSoaked · 28/06/2012 19:09

And some more...
-Not having to write boring Facebook updates about my child/having someone else's photo as my profile pic
-Sleeeeep
-Never having to go to MaccieD's

  • Spending £25 on a lip gloss and not feeling guilty

Sorry, I like this game and appear to have thought about it far too much Hmm

carrie I'm sure it's all ace really and I would swap all the non baybee perks in an instant for a real live ginette.

joy I too have stretch marks and also the post ivf non-baby fat! Thanks for your kind words about the funeral.

MuddyWellyNelly · 28/06/2012 19:52

When you have a massive fight with your OH and have said nothing to each other in 48 hours other than spiteful vitriole, you don't have to feel guilty about the children. Sad

Yep, happy days in the Nelly house. Perfectly timed with my CD 1 and 2 as well.

sarlat · 28/06/2012 19:55

AAAAA - just lost big post I did. Am loving the no baby positivity lists - but will just do a brief summary now as last post took ages.

Mrs D - Sorry about sore throat - get thee some hagen daz - and SWI?? as depressed immune system may help bean inplant.

Artemis - wil pm you about consultant

Wine - I don't have much knowledge of random ovulation stuff ad I think others have much wiser words, but where there is ewcm - there has to be swi! Wink

Gin - may go for September FET cycle. Got a holiday in August and want some relaxation / preperation time. Also got some new woo to try which may help FET in future.

Thanks to Joycep, I got in touch with a girl on another forum who has same condition as me. She got pregnant with natural FET, antibiotics and maya abdominal massage. She now has a daughter and soon to try again for sibling. So I am copying this model as far as I can, hence I am seeing a maya therapist in a couple of weeks. It is a 3 hour session but that will include inital case history and then intense abdominal massage to realign and clear debris etc. Then a further 2 short sessions. I have nothing to lose and I do love a good rub!

Hello to everyone else. x

sarlat · 28/06/2012 19:57

Gosh Nelly, I'm sorry about the barney. Hope its not very serious. Can you plan a nice night out to try and make up and enjoy each others company??

Good luck and hugs xx

princesschick · 28/06/2012 20:27

Ah ha ha ha ha ha haaaa... I love the game you have come up with today Grin

Here's some more:

  • Can spend all of Sunday watching arty movies without being interrupted or having to take sprogs to the park / swimming or explain Polanski to toddlers.
  • Can keep up to date with current affairs rather than Peppa Pig (or whatever they're all into these days)
  • Don't need spandex / scary gok wan sausage skin pants
  • Don't have to pay for a babysitter to go out for dinner at whim
  • Don't have to explain why Daddy was giving Mummy a special cuddle on the sofa / in the hallway / in the shower / on top of the covers / over the kitchen table
  • Don't have to give children money for worthless small teeth
  • Do not to wear Ooops! Tena Lady pads
  • Can hold conversation without having to shout over "Mummy, mummy, mummy, mummy"
  • Never have to be confronted by a parent at the school gates by cross mummy wondering why your 10 year old darling has told their 10 year old darling about porn websites (my delightful cousin)
  • Never have to pull child from pool and apologies cos they shat in it and ended mummy and baba swim time.
  • Don't have to end a phone conversation because you can here a chorus of finished, finished, finished
  • Don't have to deal with being crapped / pissed on

Ah that feels better.

I'm a bitch too. I love wearing my small clothes with non sagged boobs in nice underwear. I saw a girl at the train station pushing a pram in fluro pink leggings with half of her MASSIVE bum crack exposed.

Anyway, I've been to Henley Regatta today. It would have been great if I could have laid into the FREE champagne. If I have to hear from my rellies that I just need to relax and it will happen I could S.C.R.E.A.M. Anyway, I've spent the last 4 hours on sweaty trains and need some food. We are going out. Because we are baggage free (for now) :)

Frannieannie · 28/06/2012 21:11

Today's posts have brightened up a crappy day! I love it!

  • starting a book you like and being able to finish it in one weekend
  • not having to spend days off at the farm/ park/ wacky warehouse etc with other people's kids
  • not having to be called in because my child has bitten/ scratched/ called someone else a rude name (with joyce on some of the darker ones!)

Can I 'me, me, me' first please?...Got to get it off my chest. Having survived in a zen bubble for a little while I have had it well and truly burst by my consultant today- grr. Here are my list of moans: a) He spent most of appointment looking out of the window. b) He said I shouldn't be at the hospital as I am being treated by a clinic (I know, but I haven't seen a frigging dr since this whole thing started, I have since been told I have PCO and wasn't sure if this had some bearing on my barren state and as it happens I would have to pay £130 to see YOU at my clinic anyway or wait to see YOU when I'd finished all 6 IUIs). c) He said 20% of the female population have PCOS, most unknowingly but many with more severe symptoms than mine and they 'get on with it' (as was I, until I had been TTC for 2 effing years) d) He told me that I needed to be patient and that actually I am young. Reiterated with 'Oh yes, you are, believe me'. e) He said that there was little he could do as I do ovulate and that actually it should all work out 'in the end'. f) He then contradicted himself by giving me a prescription of Metformin, saying 'it helps many insulin resistant women to improve ovulation' (I know..... Dr Joy told me!) So ultimately surely that means it was worthwhile to book to see him as I now have a formal diagnosis of PCOS (which I know still leaves me unexplained but at least is a contributory factor, right?) and I have some medication to at least try (didn't dare to enquire about our antibiotic theory?!). I don't actually feel like anyone is yet 'on my side' in the clinic/ hospital. Maybe they will be when I start coughing up? Meh.

Anyway, I'm going to post this so that I don't lose it but will be back!

MuddyWellyNelly · 28/06/2012 21:33

Right. Feel better for having got that off my chest a little, so will try to catch up some. But a warning ? this post will contain lots of sweary words as that is how I am feeling.

Firstly the IVF leave. I don?t think my boss was being a deliberate wanker. But I had a subsequent chat with a colleague (the one and only person that knows about my issues outwith my sister) and she agreed that my boss might not be as empathic as I?d like. That said, the leave is official policy, so I?ll probably take what I can.

I am so sorry that many of you have been feeling meh, but well done wine for coming back and fluffing some tail feathers! I am so glad your body is doing you proud and starting to recover, and as others have said, get shagging! euro the IVF sounds like it?s affecting your moods a lot and it must be so tough. Try to see it for what it is ? hormonal shite ? and remember it will pass. Take it day by day, we?re all rooting for you. It sounds a bit like I feel about decorating. I absolutely hate all the packing stuff away and cleaning and sanding and prepping, but as soon as I open the paint tin and start on the upward curve towards the end, everything immediately feels better.

princess this feels like ages ago now but hahahahhaha about your biting the pillow comment! I was at my desk skim-reading when I saw that, and got a few weird looks by my snorting and sniggering. Thank you for thinking of us in your genie wishes.

purple I am appalled beyond measure about the comment made to you during your adoption process. What a nasty horrible thing for anyone to say.

Oh god buzzy I am so cross with Mr B on your behalf for suggesting waiting re the IUI Angry Have they no idea??? I harbour a (so far secret) grudge against Mr Nelly (more on him later) about the fact he dithered for so long about kids. Such ridiculous obstacles he imagined in our way. Meanwhile my eggs shrivelled up and died and 2 years later it?s looking less and less likely it?ll ever happen. I try so hard not to blame him for our lack of up-diffed-ness, but in my darker moments, which include now, that thought certainly lingers. I suspect this isn?t entirely healthy. Oh, I see artemis has posted similar (see, you are me!) and you put it very well ? about it is you that age is an issue for, rather than him. My Nelly has no idea.

gin I?m sorry about the Meh-ness and the unwelcome anniversary. (For anyone reading this as a lurker, here?s a tip, don?t start TTC around a birthday. It makes future birthdays very unwelcome, I can tell you). Anyway I understand you still have the hope each month. Partly MN is to blame, for all the miracle stories we read on here. And for me at least, I think if I didn?t have the hope, I?d be in a very dark place. With all the crap that?s been going on here, and the most recent nasty banter with Mr Nelly (by text, lovely, because he is at work all the time just now), I began to think about whether we were actually about to split up. I don?t actually know the answer to that one yet, but it flashed through my mind that, given my age, if we did, I?d clearly never be having children. This made me desperately sad, but at the same time I long for the closure this would give. I?m not ready to voluntarily take that step yet, but I wonder if it?s not as far away as I?d imagined. But then again ? how will I ever stop? I?m not sure I can. Where there?s a womb, there?s a way, right??? I wanna, I wanna, I wanna be adored. Oooh now I might need to go and dig that out! Much better than Tom Jones Wink

alwayshopeful oh good luck with getting your boss to agree to MN time Wink. Crikey, that makes me shudder so much! I now never use my work PC ? screen too obvious - but sometimes read and speed post on my phone during the day. The other day I had the App open, a colleague came over so I surreptitiously hit the ?kill screen? button on my phone as I laid it to one side. Only I didn?t, and about 20 seconds later realised the phone was still lit up, with a massive banner at the top of the page saying CONCEPTION. Oh dear.

carrie how are you feeling, any clearer on treatment or what is wrong? Sorry if you?ve said, I?m reading and posting at the same time.

pout I?m glad you are a girl again :). Sorry about your Meh-ness too though, I share the frustration with you and MrP about just being fobbed off straight to IVF. I will be interested to see if my private consulation is any more interested/thorough, or a further box ticking exercise.

sarlat I am so pleased you got a more useful conversation this time round, you must feel like a big weight has been lifted.

OK I give up trying to catch up. But back to the not having children. Funnily enough, the other day I noticed a preggo colleague looking very much in pain waddling about in flat shoes. I am truly an evil bitch, but I delighted in her misery, because she is the one who I know got pregnant very quickly, despite being a year older than me. So the very next day I came into the office wearing a gorgeous skirt outfit, with ridiculously high heels, and felt much cheered. HA, fertiltity gods, suck on that! Grin.

You can partake in dangerous sports without worrying about who will take care of them when if you get hurt.
You don?t have to go to softplay.
You don?t have to suddenly start talking to everyone you know about poo quality/quantity/colour/texture.
you don?t have to stay with someone who is a total twat, just because he?s the father of your children

Oh I don't mean that at all. Hopefully Mr Nelly and I can resolve this crisis, but it won?t be happening tonight. He behaved like a bit of a knob, but as he unwittingly did so about an hour after ERTD arrived, he rather got the full hormonally influenced tongue-lashing, and feels unjustly punished. I on the other hand feel like he deserved it. Won?t go into full details but somewhere in the conversation about how our honeymoon was too expensive, I asked him if he was sorry he was marrying me because between wedding, honeymoon and IVF I was clearly quite expensive Angry. It was all very ugly. I suspect CD1 had more to do with it than I realised, but after I told him this he didn?t back down one iota, or understand that I was a)hormonal and b) sad, frustrated, angry, fucked off, and distraught at how my body had once again failed to produce the goods.

Oh I fucking hate this TTC shit. Honestly, the IVF thing is hovering above me like a big massive FAIL sign and it?s making me doubt my ability to succeed at anything. Even, it seems, my relationship :(

Bugger I didn?t mean to end on a down note but having written it all down I sort of feel better, so just ignore and let me use MN as a rather public venting opportunity. Hopefully I will be back in a cheerier mood tomorrow.

Frannieannie · 28/06/2012 22:24

Ah, feel better for getting that off my chest. I love this thread!

princess you have a will of iron. FREE champagne- how could you turn it down?! . No champagne and annoying relatives Sad. Hope you enjoyed the Regatta anyway.

gin I used to have a bit of a thing for Brett Anderson back in the day....but Ian Brown not so much. Hmm Sing 'She bangs the drums' as loud as you can for me please Grin. Sorry for your recent mehness- I really feel for you. This question might not be one you even want to answer but if you did have a donor is it possible to have IUI instead of ICSI? Would you and DH get some counselling/ advice from this clinic in order to make your decision? We're all here for you to sound off whenever you need x

euro- don't give up! You're doing brilliantly and you have broken the back of it. You haven't put me off- I'd rather hear all sides of it. My body unfortunately seems to prefer being on synthetic hormones Confused, probably because I started on them so young Blush. The benefit of hindsight eh? I think we're all going to be going through every minute of your 2ww with you!

mrsden- ugh to tonsillitis- it's hideous. Hope that it's short lived and the antibiotics are helpful Wink FX for the results of tests- how long after can you start?

sarlat great that you have found someone who has been in an identical position- so reassuring. What on earth is that massage though and where can I get me one?

nelly sorry about the barney. At least on CD1 and 2 you don't have to try to make it up enough for him to stick it in you (a la shag week). I've sometimes had sex when I actually want to poke his eyes out.

carrie have you not had enough pain this week?! We've tried loads of things on this thread to get an ironic BFP but think a tattoo is a first Smile.

purple that adoption meeting sounds appalling. How upsetting. I'm so glad that you bloody well proved them wrong. I've heard they also contact ex partners that you've lived with. That alone puts me off!

wine hope you've got 2 shots at an egg this month. As someone else said, maybe forget the CD and just go with what your body's doing... shag lots and see what happens in a few days! So hope you become one of those success stories that come up when you google mad things like bfp on first cycle of metformin with late ovulation and insulin resistance bfp after womble squeezing and general spring clean! Or is that just me that does that?!

artemis not health related?! What a load of shit. Sorry you've been feeling crap, especially when you have something that you look forward to (in the loosest sense of the word) that could make a difference. I was told to have it before day 13 if I wanted to try that month. Again, no consistency.

There are so many more people that I want to catch up with on here but I must get off to bed and try to muster a bit of action Hmm. Waves to all. Night! x

Frannieannie · 28/06/2012 22:40

x post nelly. Sorry for the shittiness with mrnelly. Whatever the calendar day it sounds like you're having a rough patch. But you are not only facing IVF which has a horrendous amount to get your head round but you are also getting married which puts the spotlight on how you are feeling about your relationship/ life/ future. Two weeks before my wedding (hope DH never reads this) I started to seriously get cold feet and even thought I fancied a bloke at work (who incidentally is a total knobhead- and an ugly one at that). I'm not saying it's the same thing but it does make you question things a lot more about whether you are making the right decision. If you are going for the IVF I def think you should ask for some counselling as it might help you to separate IVF anxiety from the other. You've got 2 seriously stressful things going on simultaneously so don't feel bad when needing to vent, shout or scream. xxx

carrieonlaughing · 29/06/2012 07:26

Nelly we have all been there, this is a stressful journey and while most of the time you work as a team sometimes it gets between you. Men are a lot more simple and factual about things whereas we suffer more emotionally which they can't see. I don't they realise its us that has to say nope its not worked every month, that's a lot of pressure in itself.
Well I have tried being good for so long, quit drinking for a year, taking all the right vitamins, stayed in my job so I can get full maternity benefits, I've charted, temped used opks and had sex while in agony and taken clomid which messed me up and none of its worked so big tattoo is was lol. I do feel a little guilty that maybe I will be this month or if I am not I will think it couldn't implant because I was having a tattoo but I can't keep my life on hold.
The amount of pain I have been in the last year with kidneys, period and ovulation on clomid has been awful but I don't find tattoos painful when getting them done. The hardest bit was last night an trying to sleep whil its stinging and not being able to lie on my back, didn't help that OH has restless legs and arms so he wacked me on the back several times, I gave up sleepinh at 5 this morning lol. When he woke and I told him I got shouted at! He can't help it and now he has stormed off to work, shouldn't I be the grumpy one?

joycep · 29/06/2012 09:01

Oh nelly what a hideous time you are going through. I really hope it's not as serious as splitting up and hope it's more to do with ertd playing havoc with emotions. This TTC nonsense is such a constant in our lives and it puts a huge amount of worry and stress in to our life. We discussed this at our meet up and that us women have to think about it all the time because we go from AF into SWI into sore boobs and weird pains and spotting etc etc . We are constantly aware of what our body is doing and it takes its toll especially when ivf is on the horizon our men go and behave in a twattish way. Anyway my point is I hope this rocky patch clears up for the two of you.

frannie - i'm pretty horrified by your experience yesterday Shock . WTF ?[yes my new fave acronym.] he actually sounds like he needs reporting for just sheer inadequateness. I wish we could name and shame on here! I'm glad you have got some metformin , is there any movement on the clomid front? It's so frustrating for you because pco can be treated easily, it's cheap and you just need a proper doctor to pay some attention to you and give you a treatment plan.
Also it's such a cheek to comment on age like that. The fact is taking 2 years is not normal. Patience isn't going to cure sub fertility so I find that incredibly dismissive. I was told to be patient as well and I tried to explain it's more than impatience , it's actually worry and fear. Guarantee me a baby in 5 years and I'll be patient and wait. I'm feeling Grrr for you Frannie.

Poutintrout · 29/06/2012 09:45

Hello ladies

Firstly I'm sorry nelly that you are going through a hard time at the mo with MrN. I think that longterm TTC really does negatively impact relationships. I think a massive part of that is the insecurities and feelings of inadequacies that accompany the stream of failed cycles. I know that I feel about 2 inches tall these days and because of that I push DH away/start arguments/look for his shortcomings/want to blame him for the TTC mess. To my shame I told DH the other day that I wished I hadn't married him. I don't mean that in the slightest but I was angry about how awful his mother was to me when we got married and angry that she (largely) ruined the one day in which I wanted to just do something "normal" and feel normal for once and forget the abnormalness of my infertility. I am pissed off with him for letting her get away with it and so wanted to hurt him back. I really don't think I would have said something like that a few years ago before the TTC madness. Like others have said I think the hormonal shifts and the mentalling over what our bodies are doing 3 weeks of the month is something that our partners cannot truly understand and I think that it can cause resentment. I also personally find that I feel almost trapped in my own mind and body in this bubble of me versus my body and he doesn't have a role in that relationship. Anyways, I have probably overshared and bored you all shitless. Chin up nelly I'm sure that you will feel differently again come the next hormonal shift! I always find I am more loved up with DH at ovulation time!

euro hope you are okay today.

frannie What an arse wipe of a consultant. Has anyone ever seen a truly, 100% good consultant????? I was given Metformin by my old GP and was on it for a bit. Prepare yourself for the worst shits of your life! Take it steady building up your dose Grin

carrie Marvels at tattoo Wow. What is it?

Purple how bloody dare the adoption people say something like that. It really angers me. They think after spending a few hours with you under very abnormal conditions that they can make an assessment like that. Who the bloody hell do they think they are?

wine it sounds like ovulation...weird. Since my lap I have had much earlier ovulation. This month I have been barely over my period and EWCM has started. I wonder whether it is the lap or the Cod Liver Oil. Anyways if I were you I would SWI just in case. Glad that you are feeling much better too!

Princess Grin at special cuddles in the hallway, kitchen table!!

sarlat I am so glad that you had a more positive appointment. I so hope that the massage does the trick

gin another Stone Roses fan here. remembers fondly my Indie kid days & my BF at university feeble attempts to chat up Alex from Blur "Just 'cos you're famous doesn't mean you can't buy me a drink you know"

mrsd How are you feeling today?

Right will write off, have got my second scan today. Wonders whether I find that all my little follies are now little cysts!

Big love and waves to everyone.

princesschick · 29/06/2012 10:09

Morning all,

Frannie I'm outraged at your consultant! It must be something about the 20% PCO figure at BSUH - my consultant told me not to worry because about 20% of the population have the PCO appearance, which I apparently have. Seems a bit of a coincidence to me. I can't believe that he sat looking out of the window! And then told you not to worry and then gave you drugs. It's all a nonsense. Can you try to switch consultants up there?

Nelly I'm so sorry about all the rubbishness with Mr Nelly. Planning and wedding and TTC is too much. We stopped trying so that I could focus all my energies on the wedding and I passed the honeymoon planning over to my mum. I didn't even have IVF to throw into the mix. Poor you. I'm sorry it's so difficult at the moment. I'm sure that the 3 combined are causing a strain and it's no wonder you are arguing. Hope you two get things sorted over the weekend. I'm sorry the thread of meh-ness made you feel down too.

Carrie what is your tattoo of? I've always thought about getting one. I very nearly did when I was younger but chickened out. I flit around so much that I think I would get v.bored and regret having one. I'd have to get one in a discreet place though and unless I have a eureka moment on design it hardly seems worth the pain! My friends had to keep theirs covered in vaseline and gauze when they had them done and always said that the pain wears off pretty quickly. Hope you DH doesn't stay grumpy with you for too long.

Sarlat Am really glad you got to speak to an understanding and proactive consultant. What a breath of fresh air. Am glad this has given you the renewed hope you so desperately needed. Great news!

MrsD all of our friends (OHs more than mine) are pretty flakey and my birthday is right on top of Xmas, so I'm used to being forgotten about or people not being able to celebrate because they are away with their families. But I'm sorry that your best friend forgot because she was so caught up. Perhaps we should start 'forgetting' (especially sprog birthdays) and say, sorry I was caught up in my own misery and despair about not having a child.

Wine EWCM and dark pee lines? I hope you DTD last night. FX. If you don't know where you are in your cycle you won't know whether you are in the 2ww or not. This could be a blessing in disguise!

Euro I hope you are feeling ok today. Thinking of you.

In other news, I had a really lovely email back from my bestie yesterday. Sort of saying that it is appropriate for me to moan about our situation; that she is very aware how upsetting everything must be for me at the moment; that she is happy if I need space, just to let her know; she is happy for me to talk to her whenever I need to; and that she knows that there is nothing she can say to make this situation better. I'm really glad that I got it out there and that she is being supportive.

And I am now 3 DPO according to FF. Which means the blood test will magically be on 7 DPO. I am so pleased with my chart. It's the first normal one (admittedly I only charted for 3 months last year and gave up due to temps all over the place so haven't really got much to compare to and managed to get pregnant on one of the wonky charts - maybe because i wasn't using the thermometre correctly?) and I'm now getting all the right things in the right places, which I'm sure I wasn't but have no conclusive evidence. I'm still not massively hopeful for an instadiff as I feel that when we start again next month we're actually re-setting the clock again and that I have to realistically give it 6 months before acknowledging that there is a more serious problem or that it is simply just going to take us a longer time than average couples and that I won't be able to drink at Henley next year because I may be on the brown diet / up the duff...it was so much fun I wanna go back and have the free oysters and champers Ding ding, round 4.

We're going up to the midlands tomorrow to see OHs bestie - we're going to surprise him for his birthday. They have two lovely kids - 8 and 2. Although the 2 year old is always a bit bittersweet because he is a month older than my first MC would have been. But he is lovely and there's no denying him cuddles. Also, we're meeting our other friends twin 1-year-old boys for the first time. I'm in a good mindset today so I'm hoping that stroking babies will encourage some maternal hormones and possibly a BFP next month? Plus I'm going to make sure I look h.o.t. and not at all like a knackered, suckling mummy. Wink

Waves and feather plumps to everyone else. I think I may need to start practicing the fertility moves...

princesschick · 29/06/2012 10:22

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I too have an Alex James story, quite a recent one, I was so excited to meet him at a book signing and was grinning ear to ear, he said, "You're very smiley" and I said at 100 miles an hour "I know, I was a huge Blur fan as a teenager. I can't believe I'm meeting you. I had a note book with facts about Blur in it. I think you're ace. My boyfriend works in the music industry but I wish he would make cheese instead". He signed my book with a very nice message but looked a bit Hmm at my outburst. I was shaking afterwards and then realised, what a complete knob I'd been. I've worked on films with real celebs and have never lost my cool like that before - they are normal people FGS. However, I really did obsess about Blur as a teen (although I lurved Damon; Alex was my #2 choice) so I guess it's only natural to revert to 14 year old, red faced, obsessive geek (with book of blur facts). I'm going to see them at Hyde Park in August and I have had to keep a lid on how excited I am because I would have burst a million times over into a million pieces. And I will know if I'm pregnant by then. And what a consolation if I'm not. I've waited 16 years to see them. I will be drowning my sorry self in snake bite and looking moody (doesn't really go with being 30 does it? - I will be drowning my self in white wine and looking neurotic) Your story is much more rock and roll. I am very Envy that you met him in a bar. Had I have been a little bit older (and not as gawky) in the mid-90s I would have tracked him down and shagged him. Fact. I know he wasn't fussy I read his book. Good luck with your scan today.

MuddyWellyNelly · 29/06/2012 10:22

Thank you lovely ladies. You are all amazing. I feel a bit better today although we are still not entirely on speaking terms, but he did actually say goodbye when he left this morning, so think we are on the "ready to forgive" slope. No in the cold light of (another) day I'm sure it's not about to be the end of our relationship, hope not anyway!, but we probably need to have a bit of a heart to heart about IVF; and also he needs to be aware how much this failure every month is getting me down. I tend to just put a brave face on and get on with things, but I guess I can't expect him to know how I feel, when I hide it so well. Most of the time, at least Wink.

frannie your consultant sounds like a total arsehole! I am amazed at how zen some of you ladies are, when faced with such idiots. But someone up-thread mentioned how they didn't want to upset them, for fear of what may be denied at a later date. This is so shocking - not that people feel that way, it's natural - but that they are placed in a situation where you'd need to consider that. It's akin to bullying. Twats, the lot of them. Except my best friend - but sadly she's not a fertility doc. She will however be useful in years to come when I need some work done Grin.

pout I thought it was your mother that was a wedding nightmare, don't tell me you had a MiL to deal with as well! WTF (as joy would say! One of my favourites too actually) No you didn't overshare at all, I did wonder if perhaps I shouldn't have spread my relationship worries all over the internet, but I can't talk to RL friends about it as they don't know about the TTC shit. So thank you for sharing, it does make me feel better knowing I'm not the only crazy loon one who finds this hard sometimes. And joy you are so right, it's hard for us to forget about TTC when our body points it out to us all the time. Another confession - I secretly was thinking I'd get properly pregnant this cycle. I'd had an HSG with an all clear. We'd been on holiday, so I'd been "relaxed", hanging out with babies and pregnant people. I'd lost track of my cycle so was just having sex. I went to visit and IVF clinic. All the fate-inducing prompts. But no. Although ERTD has turned back to spotting after 48 hen and being floored by ours. POAS, anyone? Grin.

Oh mrsden forgot to say about your tonsilitis yesterday, I remember having it as a teen and it was horrid. I hope you feel better soon. Take the drugs and get SWI though!

OK I better go and do some work. Thanks again for all being so supportive, you'd have been within your rights to tell me to dry my eyes and apologise Blush.