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MarthasHarbour · 07/02/2012 11:30

There's cake for scoffing, backs for patting, and screeching death metal for all your METALLING moments. All welcome!

Our last thread reached 1000 posts so i hope you have all found your way here! I have steaming hot Brew chocolate croissants (or as my colleague said 'chocolate pasties'), blueberry muffins, grapefruit segments and hot buttered toast for brekkie!

Settle into the mosh pit, we have special VIP area's for those on the 2WW, the new bumps metalling with segregated areas for the first/second/third trimesters and the club class cocktail bar for those who have just got AF and can get-pissed let loose for the first two weeks!

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farfallarocks · 14/02/2012 15:55

Hi pippi sorry to hear about your MCs, what was your reason? Was it PCOS?

JaffaSnaffle · 14/02/2012 23:03

Pebs that is fantastic news! Hoping everything goes well for you.

I am in a bad, messed up mood. I am generally not a fan of V Day, so this does not help but just had a really difficult situation with my pregnant friend. She is not tactful at the best if times, and is a keeps moaning about being pregnant, saying she is in denial, and generally complaining. She has no reason to be in denial by the way. The world and his wife knew about my late miscarriage in the summer, and this has not made her more tactful. I told her about the second one on Sunday and she was very sympathetic. But then today, she sent me the wrong text message by mistake. It was meant for her friend that had just given birth. A great load of stuff about her giving her spare maternity pads, how happy all the family looked with their new baby, how 3 different people had told her she looked pregnant today. It made me feel sick. I know it was an accident, but it really really hurt. She apologised straight away but I left replying to her for a while because I could feel the adrenaline coursing and thought I would say something I regret. And now she hasn't responded at all. And I feel like a mean angry cow.

JaffaSnaffle · 14/02/2012 23:06

Hello Pippi, sorry you have to join us here, but welcome.

Tiago · 15/02/2012 07:00

Congratulations Pebs - that's fantastic.

Sorry you've had problems Jaffa. I suspect that your friend is probably feeling a bit awkward still, hence her lack of response. You are not a mean angry cow - your friend will know that too.

I am now on the 2WW and am once again hopeful. I got a postive OPK on Saturday morning (which was a bit early as it was day 12 - I'm wondering if it was due to the fact that I am now taking the pregnacare TTC vitamins) and DH has been most obliging. Although the instructions on the OPKs say you just have to DTD in the 24/36 hours post getting the positive, we decided to carry on for an extra two days :) We would have carried on a bit more too, but yesterday it seems I ate something that disagreed with me (I got to do my 2 hour commute while trying to hold back nausea Confused). Feeling much better now but am working at home today as I don't want a repeat of that journey - ever!

farfallarocks · 15/02/2012 09:10

tiago great news on the compliant husband :) I have found that B vits as pushed by Manda have made me ovulate earlier, I know get positive OPKs on day 12/13 as opposed to 15.

jaffa you poor thing, I can totally relate to the feelings of rage, anger, bitterness and upset about friends. Its a difficult situation for you both to be in, how awful that you received the wrong text message. She probably feels very odd abotu it all as well. Donlt worry about the way you feel, its totally normal and not a reflection of you at all. You are not a cow its just that she reminds you of what you have lost. It will get better. Could you say something to her about the moaning like 'I understand its uncomfortable but its very hard for me to hear you complaining about something I would do anything to be in your position for.'

MarthasHarbour · 15/02/2012 09:10

jaffa Shock FFS some people can be so far-up their own arse self absorbed that they cant see the wood for the trees.

How close are you? Is she someone you can just phase out? I know that sounds harsh but my suspicions are that even when you do get PG and go on to have babies that she will be putting her foot in it about all sorts of stuff (believe me i have a mummy friend like that who is so competitive and makes me feel like shit about all kinds).

You are not a mean angry cow, well you are angry but that is ok. Big hugs from me

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MarthasHarbour · 15/02/2012 09:12

and yes i was a little 'premature' with the pancakes MissC Grin

cant be having premature pancakes now can we Wink

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pebspop · 15/02/2012 09:37

The mettalling has begun!

I am still getting a bit of brown discharge on wiping, similar to the spotting I had during my UTI last week (although some of that was actually red).

I took another ic today and it was still quite faint. I am not struggling to see a line, it's defo there but no where near as dark as the other line on the test. This is the first time I have used ic's so not sure if this is how they are or not. If I was using a clearblue digi there would be nothing to interpret so maybe I am over thinking things. I also have never tested this early in a pg before so maybe thats why they are light. I was on cd45 when I tested on my last pg.

I might ring my consultant to day to tell them I have got the bfp and see what happens next. In fact, I will go and do it now!

pebspop · 15/02/2012 10:01

I rang and got an appointment for my first scan on 2 March. Should be between 6/7 weeks then. They mentioned my two weekly scans as well so that is all sorted!

Just going to carry on as normal and see what happens with this stupid spotting. Hope it buggers off.

I am going to get a cb digi as well to use at weekend.

I am supposed to be going out with work on friday and it will be so obv. if I am not drinking. Should I cancel?

FrozenNorthPole · 15/02/2012 10:14

Pebs, it takes ages for the line to be as dark as the control on IC tests - I've used the ones from Access Diagnostics but remember it was similar with the brand I used for pregnancy (and miscarriage) number 1. But even with decent hormone levels for DD2 it took until perhaps 19 or 20 dpo for the lines to be of the same darkness (and even then, they would only match each other after about 5 minutes). Hope phonecall to the consultant goes well.

Welcome Pippi!

Martha, I joined you in premature pancakes yesterday and they were GOOD.

Jaffa, I think your response was actually quite measured - I'd envisage flinging the phone across the room and out of the window. Feel angry, and don't feel guilty for it. Friends are not meant to make this harder for us.

Tiago yikes, that journey to work sounds nasty. But hurrah for positive OPK and timely SWI!

Nomoremarbles - what a lot to have to deal with on top of the grief of pregnancy loss. I used to think it would be 'nice' to have a reason for losses but have concluded that both scenarios are just hellish Sad

Kalisada sorry to hear of the BFN. You're not out til AF shows but with LPs of that length, I can understand why this isn't much comfort.

MissC adding self to list now.

Boris I hope the hard weekend with the family was bearable.

Manda thanks for the tip off about B vitamins and wee colour. This pregnancy I'm taking extra B vits along with the high dose folic acid and was wondering what on earth was going on in my kidneys. Now I know!

Moomins (and others with late losses) I can't properly imagine the terror after loss at that point. We all know that there's no 'safe point' but there's definitely a feeling of slight reassurance after passing the points of previous losses.

AAM - I have another scan tomorrow morning, with a different private provider. My GP has referred me to a consultant in the hope that he will say yes to extra scans, but it's been two weeks and no letter from the hospital so I don't know what's happening. When I lived in Wiltshire, I had access to the EPAU via my consultant and had NHS scans every two weeks up til about 16 weeks. The midwife then saw me once or twice a week for doppler. I now realise how incredibly lucky I was. Even now I've had three unexplained losses, the antenatal staff say that nothing 'special' is done and I should simply relax / lie to get extra scans. I feel particularly sad for people who really can't afford private reassurance scans ... yes, it's a financial stretch (cheapest around here seems to be £90) but you can't put a price on knowing what's going on in there. Trying not to think about what will happen if there's no heartbeat tomorrow morning ...

MarthasHarbour · 15/02/2012 11:01

glad you got sorted pebs that is excellent care you will be getting.

hmmm re Friday night - it is up to you, can you get away with going to the bar on your own and ordering a tonic (to look like a G&T) or will it be rounds etc?

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MandaHugNKiss · 15/02/2012 11:07

Oh jaffa Absolutely don't feel guilty about anger in this situation. I wouldn't worry too much about the fact you haven't replied, either - better than spouting a load of stuff that whilst may be true you know doesn't help to actually say, especially when she didn't mean to text you that other stuff. But she does sound, um, self absorbed and perhaps not that healthy for you to have much contact with at this time. Other than that, how're you doing?

frozen I really hope you get more good news tomorrow. I know what you mean about being fortunate to pay for private scans; although me, ever the bargain hunter, negotiated a 30% discount for my 7 week viablilty scan with this pregnancy as it was with the private people at 16+1 (gender scan) that my loss was discovered last year. I think some places offer packages if you're going to have a few and even if not advertised, it's worth asking?

pebs The IC's do take quite some time to get dark and in addition to that (if you're comparing one you've done this morning to one you did yesterday, for instance) they carry on developing past the '10 minute mark' and dry even darker than when you're supposed to read them. ALSO! They seem to have varying amounts of dye in them (although bloody FRERs were the worst offenders for this for me this time). The spotting is a worry, of course it is... but it's really quite common at this stage in a perfectly healthy pg

tiago Sounds like your bases were well and truly covered so fingers crossed! Do you have a dpo you plan to test at or just gonna wait and see if af arrives?

Arf at premature pancakes Grin Hey, how awful am I? I've never made pancakes. And I looooooove them (drenched in lemon and smoothered in sugar - none of this Jam business or nutella or...whatever. Stick to the classics!). My poor deprived children have only had them at other people's houses or at school. Bad mummy, bad!

I think I've missed welcoming a couple of newcomers... so welcome! I do hope you can find support here.

Well! I'm off to get my hair done today! Surprise from DF for Valentines (surprising cos he normally gets me a bag or something). Now, from the age of about 12 until 30-ish I was blonde. Very blonde! I went back dark/natural when I was going into a serious job where I wanted to be taken seriously. As much as I would enjoy turning people's expectations of how thick I would be on their heads it just seemed easier to not fight against sterotype and I needed to have a strong physical prescence too so, yeah... anyway. DF and I have known each other for 15 years. So he knew me as blonde for around 7 years. He's made a couple of comments over the course of our relationship about wanting to see me blonde again and because I've been feeling dowdy and neglecting myself since the loss I'm thinking of maybe going blonde again. As I have SO much hair, it's a process - I don't get a tint, I get lots and lots of highlights, regularly, for an allover effect eventually... I want to do it for him and have toyed with the idea for years anyway sincing leaving said job but there's something in me that wonders if I'm trying to recapture a younger, more innocent time by going back blonde again.

I'm totally overthinking this, aren't I? FFS.

I suppose if I hate it (or DS2 screams the place down because he doesn't recognise me anymore!) I can always go back dark again. My appointment is this afternoon so will report back later (perhaps with a picture on my profile Wink if it's not a disaster )

WhyAlwaysBoris · 15/02/2012 11:19

Hello everyone {{waves}}

I now have bright yellow wee (i took two b100's yesterday 'to get off to a good start'. I might need to scale down my expectations of them somewhat)

pippi welcome!

jaffa oh poor you! Don't be hard on yourself, what a s**tty message to receive.

pebs well done for ringing! Sending calming messages out to you...

Martha ^"you just need to keep that good old British stiff upper lip

WhyAlwaysBoris · 15/02/2012 11:23

manda good luck this afternoon! I know what you mean about feeling dowdy and neglectful of yourself since the loss....well done and have a lovely time!

MissCoffeeNWine · 15/02/2012 11:43

Right now I'm pissed off. Wait until Wednesday so I can ring the only MW who knows the whole story, who I've only met once but who I specifically requested give me a number I can call if I'm concerned, wait till today because she only works two days a week and I fucking HATE ringing the community MW office. Voicemail, she's on bloody holiday. I know everyone's entitled to a holiday but honestly it feels like you couldn't make it up.

Ring the community MW office (hate hate hate) and it's engaged (surprise surprise). I hate ringing them because not only do you spend hours trying to get through (I did that so many times when upset and bleeding last time) then you get put on hold, then you get put through to someone who gives you a mobile number of the MW on call, who you've never met, who you then ring, who then answers the phone wherever she is (and quite often it's clear she's with another woman doing PN checkups or at a birth) and you have to explain everything to this person you've never met with god knows who else listening. I know the other people listening don't give a shit, but it makes me really uncomfortable.

And then most of the time the MW on call just tells you to ring the bloody hospital anyway.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

Sorry about the rant and language I just hate stuff like this.

How hard is it, actually, to give me a number - one number - I can call and get some advice and help from. I'm not asking for 24/7, office hours is fine. One number.

Moominsarescary · 15/02/2012 11:56

pebs I'm glad you have a scan date and it sounds like they will monitor you closely.

Jaffa that must have been awful to receive x

manda go for it! Like you say you can always change it back

frozen hope you hear from the consultant soon and good luck tomorrow

I guess what's worring me is that once I'm pg the further on I get the more chance it will happen again, as there is more pressure on the cervix. I guess I just have to hope the stitch will be good enough to hold the cervix closed. Will probably be paying for private scans to check the cervix

Have finally managed to put some pics of the dc's on my profile, took me ages! Just to warn you all, there are some pictures of Jacob which people might find upsetting as he was so early x

pebspop · 15/02/2012 12:16

i am feeling much better now. glad you told me about the ic's being light anyway. they are crap! bring on the cb digi's!!

am just going to try not to metal and relax. i am pg today and thats the main thing!

FrozenNorthPole · 15/02/2012 13:11

Argh, I'm a fool - sorry Boris, for some reason I thought the event was LAST weekend. Clearly not as you're planning pjs outfit. Cannot believe the other party said that about the baby not being on the way Angry

whatsoever · 15/02/2012 13:14

MissCoffee that sounds like a massive palaver. It makes me laugh sarcastically, as isn't the NHS policy that one midwife should care for you throughout pregnancy?

I feel like crap today, as I did much of yesterday. On my GPs advice I have stopped taking my anti-depressants (unknown effects on unborn child). I have vertigo, dizziness, nausea and I am in a shocking mood - quite surprised there haven't been tears yet. I can't even imagine what people coming off old-style ADs go through, as these ones are supposed to be the non-addictive ones...

MissCoffeeNWine · 15/02/2012 13:48

2 hours of trying community office and EPU and no-one's answering or it's engaged. Why do I bother? :(

pebspop · 15/02/2012 13:50

try ringing the main hospital switchboard. they might be able to get you through to epu.

bonzo77 · 15/02/2012 14:18

missc I would go straight to speaking to the hospital. Sorry, I cannot remember how far along you are, but I have found a good way of getting seen is to call labour ward. Mine gave me the number of the appropriate department, and also called them to expect me. Have a look at your hospital's website for telephone numbers, though the number for labour ward will be in your maternity notes.

jaffa that message was so Shock you couldn't even make it up. If I were your friend I would be mortified and be absolutely grovelling. It's no surprise you feel the way you do, I would be the same and neither of us are bad people.

whatsoever if you post in mental health someone will point you in the right direction of a list of ADs that are safe in pregnancy.

I can't actually believe how insensitive some comments people have received are. Boris, I would have burst into tears and give that other person an earful after that comment about money being less tight now you are no longer expecting. Arsehole.

I have to say I am rapidly losing faith in the ic OPK strips, and even in CBFM. Neither gave me any signals that ovulation was iminent, but I suspected as ovulation pains started a couple of days ago. Then last night there was the most massive about of EWCM, I actually had to get it out to show DH, it was sooooo stretchy! So we SWI and then this morning CBFM gave me a peak (having not had any highs Hmm). Anyway, we'll keep SWI till I get a thermal shift and then keep fingers crossed as per usual. I was thinking about taking the 75mg aspirin. When do you start? From the BFP or during the 2WW? Are there any risks of doing this. I've not been diagnosed with anything? If I take it, how long for? til 14 weeks, or all the way through? I hope to have an ELCS (EMCS last time), and I know that the effects of aspirin take about 3 weeks to wear off, so do you stop before delivery? Jeez, I am getting ahead of myself.

pippilongsmurfing · 15/02/2012 14:45

jaffa it seems like literally everyone is pregnant to me atm, or perhaps I'm just noticing it more due to TTC'ing like mad.
Sorry your friend is so tactless, it's awful when people are like that, and it makes me feel like the world and his wife can conceive so easily, and have millions of children, so why is it so frigging hard for us to have 1?!

missc - if you are worried and can't get any action out of your EPU I'd go to the hospital, at least then they can check you over, rather than faffing around waiting for a midwife or someone from the EPU to call you back.

I do have PCOS, and I was told the MC's were due to having a really underactive thyroid and too many androgen hormones.
I've been put on Metformin and Levothyroxine, and told that if I do get a BFP that I'll need to keep taking it until either 12 or 16 weeks to bring the risk of MC'ing again down to that of a "normal" woman.

Afternoon to you all, and good luck Smile, I think we deserve it.

farfallarocks · 15/02/2012 16:17

pippi great that you have a diagnoses and a plan at least.

bonzo I toyed with aspirin as well and decided against it, St Marys RMC are adamant there is no benefit at all unless you have a clotting problem and in fact can inpede implantation. However, I know plenty of people take it during IVF etc so who knows. CBFM sometimes does that me, straight to peak, it has got better at identyfying the highs with me now that it has got to know me and I ususally get about 4 days warning, which tallies with the EWCM. Good luck, just keep SWI if you can!

bonzo77 · 15/02/2012 18:09

farfalla CBFM used to give me highs but that was before mc (we were both on the CBFM support thread at one point). This is first cycle using it since mc so maybe it's re-learning my cycle Hmm.