Just MC and ready to try again? Pregnant after MC and seeking somewhere safe to hide? Come on down to the shiny new baby-friendly MOSH PIT.

[MarthasHarbour]

There's cake for scoffing, backs for patting, and screeching death metal for all your METALLING moments. All welcome!

Our last thread reached 1000 posts so i hope you have all found your way here! I have steaming hot chocolate croissants (or as my colleague said 'chocolate pasties'), blueberry muffins, grapefruit segments and hot buttered toast for brekkie!

Settle into the mosh pit, we have special VIP area's for those on the 2WW, the new bumps metalling with segregated areas for the first/second/third trimesters and the club class cocktail bar for those who have just got AF and can get-pissed let loose for the first two weeks!

Thank you. Your post made me cry a little bit (in a good way!). Why has no one said all this to me before?

Bit emotional today, not least because at this very moment I should be in the hospital waiting to have my 2.30pm 12 week scan (an appointment confirmation letter arrived a week after I mc despite me begging them to make sure the scan was definitely cancelled and to ensure I didn't get "that" letter...)

Love WTF cycle. And your sensible words of advice/support - wish I'd read them a few weeks ago. So, according to the laws of WTF I could still be in with a chance of conceiving even though OPK is currently -ve after a +ve result last week? Must. Not. Get. Hopes. Up.

Pass the wine please. No, not the glass. The bottle! Anyone got a straw?

I've got a bucket of wine, will that do

Manda, chart stalker, do you do your charts online? I printed off some from the Toni Wechsler site, but it's all too small for me and my messy writing and scribbles.

Anyway, I've convinced this is a chemical pregnancy and I'll have AF soon, but my temps are dropping. Does that mean it's a couple of days off yet?

leedy Wait. What? A Puh. Puh. Pen? And paper? What are they?!

project Sorry for the tears. It's better to know, though, right? I suppose you're generally not told this stuff at the hospital/by healthcare because a) it takes much longer than handing a leaflet that tells you to expect af within six weeks and b) it's not the easiest thing to hear following an upsetting loss, and some women won't understand or accept it, either. Leading to more time trying to explain them, getting to believe they can't just go home and 'try' and get a BFP two weeks later. Sure, it can happen but it really does pain me to think of the women who have been told 'it's fine to try right away!' when they ask before leaving only to have their ever growing hopes dashed each month. It IS fine to try, but I think realistic expectations avoid more pain in the long run, y'know?

Hmm. I have no wine. I do have a bottle of 'poo (as DF calls it) in the fridge - how about some bubbles to cheer you up?

Don't worry Manda I'll get a pint glass if it's bubbly

Yup, tas I did chart online at fertility friend my bfp chart this time - it's a free service although they have a 'premium' service too that you pay for (I paid for a years service the month I fell pregnant - D'OH!!). I think they give you a few free days when you join as an incentive

manda yes much better to know, of course. As my mc was natural at 8 weeks I was very much given the green light to try again straight away and they implied my chances were higher than a normal month because I'm allegedly more fertile . But to be fair I think I just heard what I wanted to hear.

Hurrah for the bubbles. Better than some scuzzy hospital waiting room. Sniff. Cheers, girls.

Oh, a pint glass tas? You're just toooo classy for me!

project There are lots of little reminders that will suddenly hit you, dates like today when you ought to have been doing something very different. But, gawd this is cliched, (hey, cliches have their place! And usually exist for a reason) time really does heal. Everything is still pretty raw for you. It's ok to be floored. How do you feel about pint glasses?

Pint glass, bucket. Tomahto, tomayto.

thanks for the posting re the WTF cycle- i found it really helpful. I have been having some very odd symptoms and wish AF would just get here already so i could get back into some normal routine and at the same time a tiny part of me has been secretly hoping that AF won't come because i'm PG (i know i am supposed to be lurking but there was one evening where i wasn't that careful) so very unlikely to be that but head still mad....

On a more positive front, am trying to start at least being kinder to myself about stuff. Have been reading the grooming thread in style and beauty. Anyone fancy joining me on a doing nice things for yourself/pampering type experiment??, I think it might make me feel a bit better about myself if i at least didn't look like i was brokenhearted

i am up for the grooming thing boris i usually look like no-one owns me!

manda thanks for the info on private scans. i am in north west so i won't be able to visit the place you went to. sounds really good though.

i really don't want to go back to the hospital where they told me the bad news last time. i will hate it. i think i will sack off the 12 week scan from nhs and go private. i suppose i only really need to worry if it's bad news - which it won't be (PMA PMA!!). the midwife surely won't just ignore the results?? i am having a special midwife this time who will see me every week and deliver my baby so i doubt she would ignore the results of a private scan. i am sure they will understand why i don't want to go back to the usual scanning place.

i am having two weekly scans throughout anyway but they are at epu which is in a different hospital (which doesn't do normal antenatal scans but does deliver the babies wtf?!!). not sure how long epu will continue to scan me for but last time it sounded like they would go a lot further than early pregnancy. might need to have more private scans later as i can't imagine a heavily pregnant woman sat in epu would be a good idea. maybe the consultant can scan me somewhere else - i don't know!

i don't have a midwife yet as i am waiting for the first scan before i start getting the ball rolling with a midwife so i can't ask all this stuff anywhere else but here!

pebs it sounds like they are really going to look after you where you are in the north west and I am reluctant to say this in case it increases metalling by adding another option but if you did feel you wanted to use manda's recommendation for the 12 week scan you and dh would be very welcome to the use of the sofa bed in my extremely pokey london flat before/after

thanks boris you are a little gem! will probably be sticking to the northwest though. it's much easier for us!

have been reading that grooming thread and it looks good. might try to do it for lent! will paint my nails tonight.

pebs where in the NW are you? I'm in liverpool

back after some time spent lurking. Haven't read that far back so apologies to anyone who I don't name check......

Firstly, hi to newbies, sad that you find yourself here, but we are happy to have you! It's a good job that all this cake is virtual!

It seems so unfair that the NHS care you get is so dependent on where you live, or what your local hospitals offer. Maybe it's what comes of living in London, but really so far I have nothing but praise for the hospital I have been to. The Whittington in Archway, if anyone is in North London. Not only got me in quickly when mc became apparent, but also got it together to cancel all booked antenatal appointments once I'd told them. EPU with walk in clinic. I'm so sorry for those of you who have had care that fell below the standard you'd hoped for. I have worked for the NHS, so understand some of the limitations, including that extra scans for reassurance only might not be available, but there is no excuse for some of the delays that occur, and the unavailability of help on the phone from MWs.

boris OMG WTF exactly. Last cycle (the one where day 1 was my ERPC, was relatively normal, if short. Ov'd day 16 (I think), massive amounts of Ov pain (not unheard of for me), short LP (for me) and fairly normal AF. But this cycle??!! See my chart! Actually, manda as a bit of an expert I would value your thoughts too! What on earth are my temps doing? I still think I might have ov'd day 16, and maybe me being ill so waking up loads in the night might be to be blame. Or maybe my thermometer is fucked. Am thinking of taking temp PV next cycle to get it more consistent. This is the first cycel I have taken B6, and can't help worrying that it is actually to blame for fucking my cycle up. But realistically unlikely.

As for grooming...I just can't keep it up for more than a day or two! I always blow dry and GHD my hair, but apart from that CBA.

projectg I'm afraid that a faint line on an OPK is not a positive. All it means it has detected some LH. Whether that means it is on it's way up (before a surge) or down (after a surge) or it just is. With the IC OPK's, my test line tends to get darker over a few days till I get a true positive, then it disappears if I test again. Though there is not much point testing again after the first positive. I do suspect that during the WTF cycle(s) your body can get all ready to ovulate (so you could get a +ve OPK, EWCM) but not actually ovulate. So no thermal shift if you are charting. See my paragraph above. It's so frustrating.

pebs why not book a private 12 week scan and the NHS one? maybe if you can get the NHS one a day or two after the private one. Then if the private one is all good you can cancel the NHS one, but if there are any concerns you can have the NHS one in place as back up.

Morning ladies, according to my little iPhone app thing, I should be ovulating today, I swear I got the dull ache and corresponding cm 2 days ago, who knows? I know without the actual sticks I can't tell but thought I'd have a moan anyway.
We're trying to squeeze in SWI because I have 2 weeks in London in the hospital with DS1 as of Monday, so will be doing the 2ww there.

I hope everyone is well, a day of doing nothing today, I should do housework, I'll probably go shopping then come home and lounge around for a bit

Blimey i havent been on since Sunday glad you all enjoyed my virtual meal

Welcome to the newbies - sorry for the reasons you are here, but we are a welcoming bunch with plenty of cake and goodies to share!

Well yes the boiler is fixed, the plumber#2 disappeared off the face of the earth so we called the manufacturers who said we should have called them in the first place

tits i agree with manda i recognise your name but my nan calls people names like that all the time..... welcome anyway

Just dropping in to metal a bit before my first consultant appointment in about 90 minutes. I hope, hope, hope that I get a scan. NOT looking forward to sitting in antenatal clinic: too many nasty memories ... not to mention pushing through the gaggle of heavily pregnant smokers that always congregate right at the entrance

frozen best of luck with the appointment and I know what you mean about the smokers, I find it hard not to scream TBH

Hello to all the newbies and so sorry you are here :(

I got a very faint BFP this morning, must be 9 or 10 dpo but its definitely there, DH confirmed I am not seeing things. So mad dash to St marys ensued and have had first Clexane injection (ouch).

pebs I am interested you are only taking yours from 6 weeks, I wonder why that is.

Also popped the first progesterone in which was better than expected.
I am having a crazy wibble because the line is pretty faint, I know its very early but I have a feeling of impending doom, must stay positive!!!!

While I am still a newbie I reckon I can still get away with asking... what's the metalling thing?

morning ladies

wow there are a lot of NW MNers in here
i totally get the aversion to certain hospitals my dreaded hospital is aintree university hospital. i was pestered by them following my 1st MC at 14 weeks in 2002 as i didnt think i had to tell them i had Mc seeing as how it was dealt with by their dept and scanned to confirm etc
then they were very blunt and matter of fact about my MC at 9 weeks in 2010 and sent me away with no support whatsoever my CPs have all been too early to scan so not an issue WRT that but i will be insisting on seeing my consultant in LWH if there ever gets to a next time for me...

sorry for bringing the thread down

project metalling was a typo of mentalling I think, i.e. freaking out and it sort of stuck

congrats far they said they wanted to see the heartbeat first before taking the injections. i don't actually have anything wrong with my blood results but my placenta was full of clots when they did the pm so heparin is more of a 'let's try it' kind of thing than a cure for something. the consultant said it's up to me if i want to try it or not. i have been taking asprin since bfp.

i live in lancashire and work in manchester so can cover a wide area of clinics for the private scan. i know i am lucky to get such good care in my area.

i will talk to my midwife (when i get one) and see what she says about private scans. whatever happens i won't be going back to the hospital where i got the bad news at 20 weeks. apart from anything else i don't want to see anyone i know as i am planning to keep this pg quite for as long as poss. i am sure a lot of people won't know anything about it until a baby pops out.

frozen Good luck for appointment, fingers xd for scan
far congratulations!
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