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Just wrote a blardy long message before getting the 'thread full' message so here we go.................

Don't be wobbling pops, I honestly believe it's a complete lottery. There are always going to be super fertile people but for the majority I think that fate/luck/chance all play a part IYSWIM. I think I'm a prime example of that. My BFPs have taken varying lengths of time to conceive: 6 months, 5 months, 13 months, 10 months and 1 month. I realise that only one of these attempts has actually resulted in a baby but there seems to be no rhyme or reason as to why it took 13 months when I had 2 tubes but then only 1 month after having a tube removed which statistically reduces your fertility by 30%!

I think what I'm trying to say is that you are very likely to get pregnant without any interventions but it's just a case of waiting for your numbers to come up And I am brooking no argument that that will be very soon! and for you. x

Thanks Olives that's really comforting actually, I didn't realise what a varying length you'd conceived over

Hi jen :)

P.S I also think that you can have some control by taking the right supplements/diet/lifestyle but other than that I do believe it's in the hands of the gods so to speak and that is just bloody frustrating at times!

Pops - totally get the wobble, but you must persevere whatever. When you have your perfect little beanlet in your arms and another one on the way it won't be important any more. The main thing is to know that you will because you are young and there's natural conception (just frustratingly slow for some reason) or plenty of options available on the NHS - if it comes to that which I don't think it will.

Am beginning to be feel rather very effin insulted by the GP who glibly said to me three months ago 'It's probably down to your eggs at your age.' And refused further investigations. When she should have been checking SA and tubes.

Anyway - yes, it's down to my DP now. A bit tricky as he's happy with one DC. I'm going down the closed choice route I think - IUI after HSG (eating into our savings) or three months of a lot less booze... But I'm going to tread v carefully.

At least now I can relax on the crazy TTC antics and perhaps gurn a little less while we wait for consultation HSG.

bean I've got an appointment on the 31st. It's technically to refer us on, but I'm going to ask about progesterone as these short cycles are killing me.

Pop I've had the usual CD1 and CD21 blood tests, the thyroid results were the only ones seriously out of whack and my progestone levels were 'borderline'.

OK, this may be TMI but I'm upset and worried. I've got bad cramps and a dodgy tummy today. Every time I go to the toilet for a more, erm, solid visit, there are drops of blood splashing into the bowl. Very little in-between toilet breaks. It doesn't seem like it's the result of piles etc, it seems to be coming from le vagine This doesn't even happen with normal periods, what's going on?!

Blimey, 100 posts since I left work yesterday. You ladies are busy!

No time for long post, but extra brooking all round.

PS, I have my prementstrual spot, so looks like bets are off for this month. I think I'm on CD20, and last month AF came CD27. In a way, BFN this month would be a relief, because a BFP would make me too pg to fly to DC in August.

Any more MN jargon to slip in there?

Oh Popcorn sorry you're feeling hungry down. Please don't worry - you have a lot of good things on your side, such as age, a willing (ahem) partner, healthy lifestyle/vitamins etc and I know you've been making changes such as cutting down on booze and adding supplements fairly recently, so please just give it a bit more time and I'm brooking no argument that you will get your baby. You never know, it might take you 12 months or so this time and then you could be one of those annoying lucky people who get a BFP first time when you try for number 2! Plus, it's good that you have a back up plan agreed with DH for the summer although you probably won't need this.

Bean are you going to say anything to your DP tonight or will the doctor break the news? Perhaps the 2 months of manvits and Chinese herbs haven't yet had an impact. I heard that it takes 3 months to make sperm (or the ones that are ejaculated are 3 months old) so perhaps the good stuff is coming for next month? Also, I agree with Biscuits that he could cut down to one glass a night, still enjoy a drink every day but reduce his alcohol consumption by half, which should have an effect. I understand your worries about his possible reluctance to make many changes though, seeing as he's not desperate for baby number 2. I suspect my DH would be similarly resistant. Again, good to have a plan though and perhaps it will take off the pressure for a bit.

Smegs I have no idea what this could be, but have you rootled around to see if it is indeed coming from your vagine? Perhaps if so, it could be an erosion or somesuch thing? I frequently have bleeding on toilet visits but in my case it's down to piles - yuck.

Whimsical - ironic BFP could be coming your way!

Farfalla hope you are on for a nice, relaxing evening.

Thanks to you all for thinking of me and all you kind thoughts. It really does mean a lot. We're doing ok. It's hard to say much else really. I know we'll be fine though. And we both want to keep trying, so I'll be sticking around xx

Little my love, so good to hear from you. Of course you will be fine, you have us lot brooking for you and DH. We will be here when you are read to come back x

Bean that's great news re your results, and good about DP's sperm count. As Biscuits says, that can be improved. Fingers crossed the next sample is top notch. But by then there will be a mini been in situ anyway

Smegs that sounds nasty. Are you in pain?

Whim you definitely have an ironic BFP coming your way

Pops everyone is allowed a wobble. I get them too. I am 27 as well, and we are both going to get pregnant. You hear me?

Jen! How are you?

Of course Imps is away. Silly Maybe at pina colada. If it's a boy, perhaps whiskey sour?

Bean that should say motility can be improved

Hmm biscuits I'm slightly unconvinced by the monitor and it's 500 value! Still, given it worked for you..! I signed up to ff premium and I did like it. It was right for us - hide the sausage the night before positive opk was the way to go.

Feel free to rub, smooch or stroke the bump everyone the online me isn't bothered by it!

smegs didn't you have something weird a month or two ago where you were thinking of going to the docs about it? Apologies if I'm confusing you with someone else? To be honest I can't shed any light on what it might be (even with my total lack of extensive medical knowledge). But it may well be something easily diagnosable by an inspection by the GP. I'd say go along and get it checked out. Hope it's nothing to worry about though xx

Oh Pomme I'm not convinced by the value for money of it either - not at all. But I'd never heard of fertility friend or MN and I was, frankly, desperate! It messed me about so much with when / if I ov'd that month (which I presume I did since I got pg) that we nearly mucked it up altogether. I honestly thought it must do more than just take temps for the money. Serves me right for jumping in both feet without checking it out first. I wouldn't have bothered if I'd known what I know now.

Pop I'm so sorry you're having a wobble. It's completely understandable. You are going to get pregnant though, I agree with Maybe.

Maybe Um, yes, I'm not particularly comfortable . Cramping is nasty. But no actual pain with the bleeding.

I think it's AF come very early. I'm going to stop the B6, I've never had any weird stuff like this before I started taking it. It might not agree with me

Little I wrote on the other thread, but I was so sorry to hear your news. I hope you have lots of love and support. Take care X

Little I wrote on the other thread too. Take care of yourselves, and I hope to see you again with us soon.

Hi little we're all thinking of you and brooking for you. Looking forward to seeing you when you're feeling a little more centred take care of yourselves in the meantime.

smegs I am firmly of the belief that if it's unusual and it's worrying you, then the GP is the place to be. Partly because I hear that they're far more willing to refer when there are cycle problems ;) Thyroid trouble can cause cycle issues I think, too, though I've not direct experience of that because I was on the pill while mine was uncontrolled.

That's an awful attitude bean Some GPs are sooo insensitive and dismissive, I can't believe she made that decision without any concrete evidence to back it up - "probably" isn't enough

I like the idea of 1 glass of wine a night, it seems a small change but 1/2 the amount is a big difference. Have you thought of seeing if he'll switch to Weight Watcher wine (or a similar "slimming" wine) - it's only 7% then you see, so healthier (despite the calorie difference being actually quite negligible - I have done my homework! :o ).

whims I dunno, I'd bet money on an ironic bfp?!!

Thanks so much for all the encouragement. I've eaten chicken and chorizo paella, nom nom nom and I've had a 30 second hug with DH before he scuttles off to his nightshift, and I'm feeling a bit brighter.
You're right bean at the end of the day it doesn't make any difference if it's assisted when you get to hold your bairn in your arms - I shall try to remind myself of that. Someone posted this quote in the stress thread, I rather like it and I think I shall have to make a poster or wall hanging of some sort:

"Everything will be alright in the end. If it is not alright, then it is not the end."

maybe I didn't realise you were 27 too, I'm not sure why not, I'm sure I've been told! Maybe we need one of those irritating thread ticker/tracker/meme whotsits? (or is that just lazy? )

Just popping in the hair stoke all those in need today, seems like there are a few brookers in need. Hugs all around.

Little you are so brave, hope you and Mr Little are pulling together and there is support in RL

Smegs sorry you have been having a strange going on, keep brooking it may not be AF. It might be worth a trip to Dr just to be on the safe side.

Biscuits & Pomme £500 for a shag detector ovulation machine but worked for both you so who knows. Smooches up to preggers ladies in hope it is catching

Bean hope your conversation with DP goes as you want it to. Seems the appointment was very positive though, maybe just knowing will take the pressure off and you get the BFP. Stranger things have happened.

Pops you wobble away my dear, you are in the company of friends who will reassure you and generally prop you up til you feel better. I think it helps getting these things out and then you can move forward. Hope you are feeling a bit better this evening.

waves to Maybe, Generic, Whims, Olives & Far

Am starting temping tomorrow morning if I remember CD6 so should not have missed the action

Honestly, please don't think I think the monitor was worth the money. I was D.E.S.P.E.R.A.T.E.

The same result could have been achieved with fertility friend I'm sure. And we had a HSG and improved SA at the same time - I think that was what worked for us

I don't really want people to think I'm recommending it. It might be perfect for some people, but in hindsight i wouldn't have bothered. And I don't think Pomme had one - she was just at the price

I am indeed Pop, it must have been my youthful good looks that fooled you

Don't worry Biscuits I am planning on temping and using FF next. But I can totally understand why anyone would get to the point of buying one. I am soooo glad I found MN early, I have learnt so much from the lovely ladies on this site.

I so wish I'd found MN sooner - such a lot of support from you lovely ladies and so much collective experience, still, better late than never?

I lost you all! I thought everyone was just being really quiet like that would happen! There's too much here to catch up on tonight, I'm already late for sleeping. Will post tomorrow.

Hello all

Firstly Smegs - I really hope you're ok? That sounds frightening. I would try to see someone as soon as possible for peace of mind. Brooking and hugs.

Whims - looking forward to confirmation.

Pops - I really don't think it'll come to it but intervention is there for you. So you're right there's only one 'end' - having a baby (out your end - phnah).

Maybe, Generic, Sweetie, Olives - hello ladies!

Thanks all for your support.

Got off to a wobbily start with DP re' his wrigglers. He basically doesn't want to talk about it until he has seen doctor (understandable really). And of course tucked into his wine. I went off to school to make my pots (as you do). Initial thoughts from him is the sperms worked with DS and nothing has changed so we'll still be fine. But I know he'll come round. We think the GP has been pretty awful - should have given results to him first and then talked to us both about it and options. I had to dig for every last bit of info' from doc yesterday. And as a fertility specialist I was slightly alarmed that he hadn't heard of the hormone AMH!

Of course app't for HSG not til April. Sigh. BUT I'm lucky I got us this far and by that time we can work on DP's health and get ready for a BFP. He is going to hate what the doc says but he really needs to knock the booze on the head and I'm afraid I'm not going to give up on that one.

Stasi - what news? How has your DH taken the sperm issues?

Sending you some baklava (sp?) for your delight, dear Brookers.

Good morning brookers :)

Bean DH is just the same, he is adamant that there is nothing wrong with his swimmers (and even once said, "it's all you" - but that is his awful sense of humour, sigh). I hope the GP talks him round.
(and as to the "nothing has changed in the 2 years" -- doesn't alcohol consumption have a cumulative effect on general health? I'd have thought so at 2 glasses a night?)

Nothing to report here. I'm 4 dpo when I should just be ovulating, which is looooverly (especially as DH is on nights, so nookie has been had this week, much to my disappointment )