TTC Super Ovulation...

[duggs1976]

hey ladies,

There are a few of us who are ttc after mc's, however there will be ladies out there who are also ttc for the first time or second or third without success. If anyone is on, considering or had success on a super ovulation programme then do join us. How long did it take ? Did you try IUI with it.. ? Did you have PCOS?

Kicking this off and hoping some of you will join....

Hi all and welcome, izzy. Mr S got in touch to say that, as I thought, he recommends 2 more super ov cycles (totalling 6) or cut straight to ivf. So I think we will keep on going and see. I'm not sure what ivf will give me over super ov.

Actually Duggs am probably going to sound a bit silly now as didn't realise that ovulating late was a problem! Before seeing Dr S I have previously been told I didn't have the full syndrome and not to worry about it so stupidly I didn't! All my hormone levels like LH and FSH are all normal. It seems to be a slightly controversial area and Mr S said as far as he is concerned if you cysts on your ovaries then you have pcos so still learning new stuff about it. Am so glad the metformin has made me ov earlier in that case! Thanks for the infor re cgh will google it later. Btw- I find it impossible to avoid chocolate, cakes etc as well, have a very sweet tooth! I am trying but not easy.....

Hi. Would really appreciate your input. If anyone could pm me a reply I would be really grateful.
Ttc for 4 years, (2dc prior to this) had a miscarriage last year. No luck since. Have been using clomid. Feel I should try super ovulation as I am 40 and running out of time. Had lap and dye and tubes clear.
See consultant again in march and want to ramp it up a bit. But I need to know what to ask for.
I would like to increase ovulation and try trigger shots. Can anyone help me on what to ask for. Would private care be better than nhs?

I would prefer not to try ivf at this stage.
Many thanks

Hi uggmum I am not an expert on Supe ov yet as will be going on it next month if no bfp this month. I am 42 and this is reason I am going on Sup Ov as running out of time and wanted a bit more control over the whole thing -that may help you.
I went private for the time issue and couldn't wait for NHS. Also although my doctor has converted all my pescriptions to nhs he didnt' have any experience in the field of Prednisilone and M/c's so that's another reason as Dr S whom I see is a specialist in this field and fertility.
At least youve ruled some things out. I'm sure some other more experienced ladies will be along with some more advice.
Good luck.

Hi ugg from my experience nhs don't prescribe ovulation drugs quite so easily and they go for chlomid. Is cheaper than letrozole (Femera) but more side affects. Is v cheap btw. 5 tables early on in your cycle will hopefully make you produce more than one viable follicle containing an egg. You could wait to ovulate naturally with opk route or get scanned to get a more accurate idea of follicle size and then do an ovulating trigger injection - ovritrelle for example. The rest is as usual. They say people on super ovulation programme 85% get PG. Is a similar stat to the general population trying with no known issues. 70 to 80% will be PG within 6 mths they say. so NHS have capabilities to prescribe but it is less common. A private round of super ov would cost you around £220 - £250.

Opps forgot key words - 85% get PG within 6 cycles. Best of luck. I am on super ov cycle 3!

duggs is super ov just clomid or femara with trigger then? I fear i may be on the wrong thread as i am just using clomid!

I think superov describes fertiility drugs usually used to induce ovulation in women who don't ovulate being given to women who do by themselves. So I would say it covers Clomid/Letrozole with or without a trigger shot, so I think you are in the right place, Izzy. Ugg the main benefits of private care are speed and a bit more control over your treatment plan I would say.

Hi all,

Can I just ask which strength/Make Maca you purcased (euro/duggs etc*)? Just looking on ebay and lots of different types including some dodgy non branded stuff!

euro how are you doing?

snoopy I just bought whatever was on sale in H&B! We didn't do any research into brands. I was so impressed by Mr duggs' numbers we just bought the first lot we saw!

I'm doing ok. I know I am out this month (bit of a temp drop this monring and my mood is turning shitty). I am hugely frustrated that it is not happening for me. The only test that has come back showing any problem is the one for NK cells. I am on the Pred now so why isn't it working? I am seeing some positive in the IVF process that lies ahead because at least that should show whether or not my husband's sperm can manage to fertilise my eggs. But if there is an immunology problem and the Pred is not curing it, it's not actually going to help me to get pregnant!

euro don't give up hope until your af arrives. I feel exactly the same as you as have days when I want to give up and then other days when I won't let it beat me! It's so frustrating, I had another friend announce their pregnancy yesterday and she then phoned me to talk about her scan. I put on a brave face but burst into tears as soon as she was off the phone.
Not sure if anyone else has experienced this but I had some spotting today at day 9. According to Louise at nlc it's common on superov. Thought I would mention it as I was worried something was wrong. Having my follicle scan today.

Does anyone know if you have to have a hysteroscopy if you go for ivf? I was offered one at st Mary's on the nhs but I know there is a waiting list. Thought if I have to go down that route that I could get on the list now. I don't really want it done unless I have to.

euro don't give up hope yet. Is this ur 2nd cycle? The stats that duggs gave are pretty good. It's so hard you start off all enthusiastic. It's a rollercoaster of emotions I know. I seem to pick myself up after a couple of days but then have also had some blacker moods this month where I've cancelled engagements with friends and left my DH to make excuses for me.

thanks sue for the warning and let us know how scan goes.

I just picked up my Ovitrelle from chemist so I am ready for next month.

does anyone know anything about Enzyme therapy? Look at website below. I am so cynical about these things and just feel it's just another company trying to flog you something...quite interesting site though. Got on it while looking up Maca. (which sounds like a wonder powder!)

www.natural-fertility-info.com/fertility-enzyme-therapy

Yes, this is my second cycle. The first one I was confused about whether I had ovulated or not so I didn't start the Pred until 5dpo. This time I was really hopeful. I had an extra round of acu, got in loads of swi at the right time and seeing the corpus luteum on the screen made it seem more real somehow that there was an egg in there just waiting. And then I had the dragging feelings a few days after ov which I hoped was an attempt at implantation. But I know it is over now. I generally manage to stay fairly chipper but I am struggling today.

I have also left pred off for a couple of days to not mess up ov too much. Figure it's in system anyway. There is a post on BC board this afternoon about this subject and lady hanging off with pred cos it messed her cycles up so much, not that I want to deviate too much but she now has a baby after 7 m/cs. Her name is lorr something.
((huggs))

Hey ladies, I know exactly what you all mean re pred. If nk cells were the only issue then surely the pred deals with it. I am 99% convinced my eggs are coming out bad and this damn IUI attempt will prove it. I have 2 decent follicles and a billion fekkin sperm so if there is no bfp or a chemical or an early mc then I know I need IVF and CGH to find me that good egg. It is so disheartening to find us in 2 camps. The ones the pred fixes and off they go and then is who can't get off the starting block. Coming upto 6 mths since seeing dr s now although is 5 mths on pred and 3rd super ov attempt so I guess we've all been told 6 is the magic number. Doesn't help though. euro r u sure u can't look into array CGH too ?

Yes I feel in the left behind camp a bit. Just want to get past a chem and see if this treatment works for me. I feel lucky to have got pregnant albeit for a few days.........perhaps i've got crap eggs because of age and body is just trying but then rejecting them?? who blinkin knows!!

Anyway who have we got for the meet up on 19th (wish we all didn't have to drive and could get sloshed over a few bottles of wine)!

Me
Duggs
Pebbles
sue did you say you could make it?
anyone else - are you near euro?

shit - just sitting here reading this and bath virtually overflowing!!

Have a good night everyone x

How funny I am having a really down couple of days too. I know what you mean about being left behind too as the getting pregnant has never been a prob for me until taking the damn steroids. I am wondering whether to stop them.

Well my scan was another disaster as there were no mature follicles at all. One was 3mm and that was it. I don't understand it as last month on this day in my cycle I had two good sizes. I will speak to nlc tomorrow but it looks like the steroids are stopping me ovulate again. Think I will go and open a big glass of wine. Drove home from the sonographer in tears as have had enough of all this crap! I really don't think I can keep going through all this disappointment.

Sue just a thought as u said getting PG wasn't such an issue for you before steroids- could u do a steroid and intrapillid session once u get a bfp ( I know u not v high) but sort of like a make up for the pre conception bit? I think u should speak to dr s because I didn't get of easily before steroids but u did and not so long ago ?

Duggs I have got v high not high killer cells so I don't think coming off the steroids is an option as I will prob miscarry again. I am guessing I will have to go down ivf route eventually and come off the steroids until they retrieve my eggs.

I can make the meet up btw.

I know I keep banging on about it I am getting a bit obsessed with CGH finding the chromosonally perfect embryo. It isn't available on nhs but is at new life centre. I could kick myself for believing as "most women get pg in 3 cycles on dr s programme" it would apply to me. We can have a chat at our meet up - perhaps kittens would like to join?

Sue did you see the post from lady on bc board. she takes the pred from half way between ov and af due date I think. Again you have pred in your system to a certain extent. Dr Quenby does it from bfp and Dr S from ov as we know maybe it's worth a try like that? If it's screwing up your previously normal cycle it's no good. Especially as you got preg easy before and didn't have many probs apart from mc's.

Are you going to call Dr S to see what he says about the follicle size? Doesn't make sense if your on boosting drugs at all. You were better off before! It's so depressing. I wonder what the stats of Prof Quenby method is opposed to Dr S re the timing of pred taken....

sue that must be so frustrating.

snoopy I'm in South London so a bit far for the Amersham meet. I will try to make the next London meet though, to put faces to names.

duggs I guess we will try non-CGH IVF with our upcoming NHS cycle and see what happens. If I get decent embryos from that I guess it will tell us something.

I tested this morning to check if I could stop the Pred, knowing what the answer would be (negative). So I'll be on to cycle 16 (cycle 3 of superov+Pred) in a few days.

Hi all,

Sorry to hear we're all getting a bit down about all this, duggs, euro and sue especially. Of course our moods are getting shitty! We are in a funny situation in that we should have sorted the issues preventing us getting pregnant, i.e., ovulation and NK cells, but it's still not happening. But I suppose it would be fairly good odds if we were pregnant within 3 or 4 cycles? I'm on the other side of AF now, (oh dear I hate it when people say things like this... sorry!), and I'd like to encourage you all that it's a LOT easier to contemplate another cycle. The hormonal PMT week where you're wondering whether you're pregnant and your DH has xxxmillion sperm spraying around into the abyss, and then you're not pregnant and you feel like a complete and utter failure, is just a nightmare. Nightmare. But it feels so much better and hopeful this week. I'm on my 5th cycle of super ov, and on balance I'm not that worried I'm not pregnant yet. But last week it was a much gloomier picture in my head.

sue I had spotting on my first super ov cycle, and that wasn't a good scan either. The sonographer told me I was "clutching at straws" with my ovaries and AMH score (where do they learn the bedside manner!), but Mr S was a lot more positive. It must be very disheartening to think that the steroids has buggered up your ability to conceive. What does Mr S say about that? I'm thinking of you

snoopy I've never heard of enzyme therapy. I'll have a read a bit later. I'm doing acupuncture and chinese herbs as well as super ov, and I'm not sure I could cope with another regime as well right now. But it's always interesting to read about it.

I'm away for the meet up, but I'd love to meet you all some other time. I live in London, so that might work if we can organise one soon? I'm going away to Egypt and will be trying not to think of whether I'm getting pregnant. I'm determined not to be so stressed during the next 2ww. I think we need general anaesthetics for the 2ww just to get through them.

I asked Cheryl to order my Ovitrelle, and she faxed the order through on Jan 24! So I'll have to organise delivery now... someone said I have to pay extra if it's not NLC, right? In which case I'll just have it delivered to NLC and pick it up on my scan date (Feb 15).

Chat soon, and sorry if I'm being too chipper about not being PG. I'm not bloody chipper really.

Hi all- sorry to hear some of you are feeling down. Sometimes you just have to let yourself and wallow in some self pity, let's face it it's well deserved with what we are all going through!!

Snoopy quite agree shame we can't get sloshed, think we could all do with a drink! :)

Yes pebbles we could all do with some good news/drink after news on both threads in last day or so. I am v good at putting on a brave face and trying to be overly strong. I seem to save all the tears up for sonographers before I've even had a scan! Looking forward to getting together everyone and meeting you pebbles.