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duggs1976 · 17/01/2012 22:21

hey ladies,

There are a few of us who are ttc after mc's, however there will be ladies out there who are also ttc for the first time or second or third without success. If anyone is on, considering or had success on a super ovulation programme then do join us. How long did it take ? Did you try IUI with it.. ? Did you have PCOS?

Kicking this off and hoping some of you will join....

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Havingkittens · 14/04/2012 16:24

So I got a bit confused and started taking my letrozole on CD3 instead of CD2 because this was the first time ever I've not had a day of spotting before actually being able to count Day 1. Now I'm wondering if I should go for my follicle tracking scan a day later than I've booked it. What do you reckon? I'm supposed to go between day 13 and day 15 and I'm booked in for day 14. The last two times I've had my scans I've been too early so don't want that to be the case again.

Do I remember someone saying Louise is away? I was going to ring her up to ask her opinion but can't remember if she's about or not.

duggs1976 · 14/04/2012 16:39

Hey kittens I don't think it makes much difference as you can start 3 to 7. Btw when they do a scan he can say to trigger tomorrow or next day without u having to go back to rescan ( he obviously can't give trigger any earlier)! I'd say stick to what you have. X

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Havingkittens · 14/04/2012 16:54

Yes, I know, but when I've gone to early the follicles have been too small to know for sure what the outcome will be. Apparently if they are over 12mm then he knows they are developing ok but anything under 12mm can go either way so I'd rather wait and know for sure if they are going to develop and how many there are otherwise we still don't really know if it's working.

Arianrhod · 14/04/2012 21:52

kittens Louise's out of office auto reply to emails says she's back on the 16th, if that helps.

Havingkittens · 14/04/2012 23:11

Ah, thanks ari. Maybe I'll drop her an email on Monday.

jaffajiffy · 16/04/2012 07:50

Hi there. SO graduate here checking in. First of all, CONGRATS! to Duggs! How exciting!

For the newbies, I was on here a while ago doing the Hormone Farm Trials that is Super Ovulation. We conceived on cycle 5, so 'yay' for Super Ov! Unfortunately, I've just had another miscarriage, and we are waiting for the results of testing the fetus. If it was a chromosomal abnormality, Mr S says I can start SO again as if it were cycle 1, so I might be back here! If I can psyche myself up for it.

sue glad you're enjoying the alcohol. I've not been on it yet, but I'm looking forward to it!
kittens Mr S said it definitely doesn't matter if you start on CD3.
abney your journey sounds like a traumatic one, but you sound very brave and focussed.
snoopy glad to see you're still persevering. you know, I had a spare Letrozole prescription I could have faxed you! Far too late to be of help, sorry. And it's probably illegal, etc.
euro how's IVF?
ari are you able to do SO then?
pebbles how is your IVF going too?

Sorry I'm so out of date. I just thought I'd check in. I'll pop back if/when we are doing super ov again.

Jx

duggs1976 · 16/04/2012 08:01

Oh jaffa so sorry to hear that. Remind us - have you had any mc before? Have you any DC? How far along were you? If i recall you were doing SO but not being treated for NK cells is that right? Sorry for so many questions you seem v upbeat. Good for you x

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jaffajiffy · 16/04/2012 08:08

Yes, this was my third miscarriage, no DC. And I haven't been diagnosed with high NK cells, but Mr S took blood on Friday to retest those. I was 10w when we discovered the MMC. It had died a few days earlier. I'd had scans at 6 and 8 weeks and would have been 'signed off' from Mr S at 9 w if we'd scanned then with a HB, but Easter hols got in the way. So I'm glad I have found out now rather than at the 12w NHS scan.

duggs1976 · 16/04/2012 08:12

Oh so sorry to hear this Sad it never gets any easier to hear even on these threads. Have you had testing before ? If you are high I presume u will start SO again and take pred like us guys ? X

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jaffajiffy · 16/04/2012 08:27

Yes I was tested for NK cells in sept and they were normal. But he's concerned it went this long so is retesting just in case.

duggs1976 · 16/04/2012 08:51

Concerned by you getting to 10 weeks? Oh well at least you are having chromosonal tests and nk tests so you are covering all angles. So frustrating for you jaffa. I guess you will get results in a couple of weeks?

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Arianrhod · 16/04/2012 09:05

Oh no jaffa, I'm so very sorry to hear of your miscarriage :( I have read that miscarriages can cause NK cells themselves, much like a 'normal' pregnancy can (which is what happened to me, Mr S believes that having my DD will have triggered my own NK cells) so could it be that your last miscarriage raised them? Or possibly even this one - I hope you find out from the latest tests. I presume you've been tested for blood clotting issues already, yes? (sorry, not sure of your history)

I have my appt with Mr S this afternoon to go through my not-great FSH/E2 results and see if he says superov is for me.

jaffajiffy · 16/04/2012 09:54

ari I have to go to see him at Harley st too today because they forgot to give me the anti-d injection yesterday at the erpc. I'm not sure when I'm in because I'm seeing Louise, but it might be nice to say hi!

Arianrhod · 16/04/2012 09:59

Oh, what time are you going jaffa? My appt is at 4:30 and I'm easy to spot, I'll be the one with the hyperactive 5 year old, since I have to take DD with me! If you're there, would be nice to say Hi :)

jaffajiffy · 16/04/2012 10:50

I'm still waiting to hear back from Louise. Cheryl booked me at 350 to see mr S but I think I'm just seeing Louise and it wouldn't nec be 350. I'll look out for you!

snoopygirl · 16/04/2012 10:54

Oh jaffa so sorry for you. I hope you and ari can have a nice little chat today. You do sound in good spirits considering ((hugs)) thanks for the offer of the Letrozole. We could start our own litlle drugs run here! I actually found the pescription in the end, embarrassingly in front of handbag!! What a twot!

ari let us know how you get on.
kittens i've also read that some start SO on Day 3.

suemays · 16/04/2012 11:38

Jaffa so sorry to hear your news. I was hoping that you would be the success story out of the 2 of us seeing as we were BFP buddies in March. I am glad you are trying to keep as positive as possible. Good luck with Mr S today.

Ari I think the SO programme will suit you as it gived you more idea on what is happening with your ovulation etc. At least then you will be able to see the thickness of your womb too so Mr S will be able to give you meds to thicken it if needed.

Snoopy you have just reminded me to go and get my letrozole this week!

Arianrhod · 16/04/2012 11:56

I think you're right sue, it just depends on whether, with my high FSH reading, Mr S thinks it's even worth trying. I'll find out later!

Pebbles73 · 16/04/2012 13:26

kittens I would defo speak to Louise and she will point you in the right direction.

Jaffa am sooo very sorry to hear of your mc Free text me on Friday and wanted to post but didn't know if you would be ready to talk on here yet. Have been thinking of you and hope the tests provide an answer for you. Keep us posted, sending you a bug hug.
I am still down regulating at the mo and have a blood test Thursday to see if it's worked. Then two weeks of oestrogen tablets, all seems to take soo long!

Duggs have you phoned the clinic with yor bfp? So nice when you get to do that, hate having to phone with bfn. Let us know when your first scan is.

jaffajiffy · 16/04/2012 15:50

Hi pebbles thanks for thinking of me even on Friday Smile

ari I've been and gone from h st and now have a numb bum from the injection. I'd be up for a super ov meet up though if anyone's keen sometime.

duggs1976 · 16/04/2012 18:54

pebbles yes called them. Bit of an anti climax they sounded quite bored. Scan 5 may with dr s. off to Egypt on Thursday for a week in dahab to try and enjoy the ignorance of time before the first scan Smile how did it go ari ?

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suemays · 16/04/2012 19:05

Ari let us know what he says.

I am up for a meetup - how is everyone fixed for mid/end-may? I can make Sat 26th May and dont mind where we meet.

Duggs maybe they are that successful that they are used to BFPs?

Pebbles fingers crossed it works for you this time.

Arianrhod · 16/04/2012 21:01

jaffa Sorry to have missed you, we got there I think just gone 4. I always allow way too much time to get to a place, just in case there are problems en route, and invariably end up with time to kill. But that's what the iPad is for :)

Well most of you have probably already read on the Pred thread, but no, appt with Mr S wasn't great. I could see his face changing as he read my blood test results, obviously he hadn't been briefed by Louise prior to me showing him the lab report. FSH is too high (although he did say "at least it isn't 30"!) and oestrogen too low. In a nutshell he isn't hopeful of my chances, at all, full stop, anymore. He said his recommendation would be IVF (and he mentioned donor eggs as I would have a less than 5% chance with my own eggs, at my age) and when I said that's not possible, we just can't afford it (OH won't consider us borrowing to finance it, and I won't go the donor egg route as it wouldn't feel like my child), he said then his only other recommendation would be superovulation.

He did say it's possible I may get pregnant naturally - but you could tell from his tone of voice and his facial expression he just isn't expecting it to work.

He wouldn't hear at all anything to do with steroids being the cause of my highly-diminished AF, even when I pointed out that it's only happened since being on the higher dose of steroids in Nov/Dec and that my AFs were absolutely spot-on perfect before then. Wouldn't hear of it at all, said it was complete coincidence and totally down to my age. Approaching infertility, was his unspoken meaning I think. He said he'd never heard of steroids causing this in all his years of working with this treatment, and had never heard of anyone else having had this happen. I didn't even bother raising taking steroids from BFP, since he clearly doesn't think steroids are affecting my AF at all. With the greatest respect for his undoubted expertise, I think he's wrong, but obviously I'm not in a position to argue. I won't be taking them this month, anyway, since according to his way of thinking it's very unlikely I could be pregnant anyway.

Anyway, he said he'll start me on the Letrozole, 5mg, and see how I respond to that. If that doesn't work, then it's gonal-f. I said we'll give it the 6 months, and see what happens. I guess if nothing, then that's the end of the road for us.

duggs1976 · 17/04/2012 04:17

ari I'm sorry to hear this news. However, if u get offered gonal-F then that isn't a total lost cause. It is the same as the ivf drugs only difference is they don't take your eggs and fertilise them outside your body. I guess it could be a chance. Better than naturally trying. I suppose u could talk to dr gorgy or prof queenby because I would say listen to your instincts. This treatmeny is not 100 percent proven and some are ok from bfp. Unless chromosonal
factors r controlled we will not truly know what is affecting our babies. I do respect
Him too but there r other opinions in the world of reproductive immunology. Just my thoughts. Big hug. 4am pred awake

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jaffajiffy · 17/04/2012 07:42

Hi ari and sorry the prognosis wasn't good. It's not nice when medical people can't find a way to be encouraging and give you some hope. I think duggs is right, and you could talk to others as well. Depends whether you want to continue with someone who hasn't been very hopeful. Yes, he's giving the best advice he has, but someone else may have a different perspective.

Thinking of you as you process those results.