Just MC and ready to try again? Pregnant after MC and seeking somewhere safe to hide? Jump in the mosh pit for some serious metalling or settle yourself down in our padded cell. All welcome! (Part 19)

[Poppyjen]

Another new thread for some more serious metalling - we really are a chatty lot!

Here's to making it through the WTF cycle(s), metalling* like a teenager from the early '90s in the 2WW, BFP colds and other classic symptom spotting and hiding in the (nice and comfy) padded cell post BFP

If you have miscarried and are ready to TTC again, come and join us!

• For those currently wondering what our mosh pit antics have to do with ttc post MC, a fabulous typo in an earlier thread resulted in "mentalling" becoming known as "Metalling" - a far more fitting expression I am sure you will agree!

Welcome!

Ladies sorry for the quick post but am supposed to be entertaining DS before bed but-have stuck him in front of CBeebies so i can update you all

Went to the docs this morn, well went to the Nurse first as i was supposed to have a smear test but she wouldnt do it because of the CP, she said that it was a pregnancy and my cervix will still have some hormone shift in it so it wasnt worth doing. It was actually quite nice to have someone acknowledge that i was pg and not a neurotic POAS addict! She was so sympathetic too, she did the head tilt and everything (which was lovely in a way)

Anyway, the GP was lovely as always

She has given me a letter for the walk in clinic at the local hosp to have all the bloods that far mentioned (without any prompting from me - are you a North West GP far? ) She echoed blue and manda in saying that i am getting pg so it isnt a fertility issue, more of a 'get the bugger to stick' issue, so she said to do the bloods then consider doing some chromosome tests on me and DH - she seemed confident that it was 'just bad luck' (which i actually wanted to hear), as she also pointed out that i successfully carried DS.

Anyway - she recommended junior aspirin from when i get a BFP and looked all when i mentioned B100 - but then she is trained in traditional medicine so i cant blame her

So onwards and upwards - sorry for not name checking but DS is being mesmerised by waybuloo - what a heap of shite that is!

Sorry for not name checking, on my phone. Having a huge metal about hcg levels. I did another digital this morning and it still says 1-2 weeks since conception or 3-4 pregnant. But I am 4 weeks and 3 days, so my levels are low. They must have gone up a bit because the 'pregnant' came up quickly this time, which is some sort of good sign. Also feeling slightly sick, although this could just be the nervousness... I know there is nothing I can do, but can not help worrying.

jaffa

There are plenty of threads on mumsnets about the conception indicators - many talking about how the indicator doesn;t agree with how many weeks they 'should' be... mostly things were ok; although, obviously, sometimes not too.

The general concensus is that they are the work of the devil!

Right. So.

First. You do not know exactly when you ovulated and implanted... in these early days, that makes a difference, y'know. If you ovulated a couple of days later than 'average' and implanted on the later side of normal, you could technically be a touch under four weeks (even though by lmp you are 4+3).

Second. The 'normal' amount of hcg for a very early pregnancy can vary MASSIVELY from one woman to the next. Or even from pregnancy to pregnancy in the same woman. Google will lead you to several tables all showing you the same thing. So, again, clearblue are going off a very standard average figure and gawd knows, we ain't all Ms. Average. (I'm obviously Ms. Much Higher Than Average but I digress... ). The fact that the 'pregnant' symbol popped up quicker is probably a very good indication that things are moving in the right direction.

Third... My fingers are crossed it's not 'the worst' reason for still getting that reading. I can't lie/reassure you with guff - points one and two of mine are completely true but they can't rule out that all may not be well. So, this is my little 'sending you all my positivity' part because as much as I accept it's possible I am hoping for the more logical, probable outcome that everything is fine and just a touch behind average.

Just to clarify, you've no pain or spotting, right?

Hang in there.

Oh! ALso forgot to say that if you're going to use them as a 'guide' then to give them the best chance of being as accurate as they can (which in and of itself is only useful in a very average way, as previously mentioned) then you MUST take them in the same way - ie first morning pee, but not if you were up all night going to the loo vs the time you used it before you slept all the way through, y'know? Try to make all the variables as similar as possible. Again, at this early stage, there can even be the difference between getting a positive with first morning wee and a negative later in the day after you drunklots and pee'd lots. Sounds obvious, but I think sometimes we just think 'oh, it'll be ok' cos we're so desperate to pee on something that will reassure us some how.

Lecture over now, honest.

Infact, I'm feeling decidedly dodgy. Have a horrible feeling I'm coming down with DS2's 'thing'. PLease let it be mild!

Typing on my phone so will be brief.

Had an emergency apt at the ante natal diabetic clinic and am going to be issued with a pump (currently have to inject.) The whole system is totally different to how I have done things (for 32 years) so its taking a bit to get my head around. Basically my consultant is pulling strings big time as there is generally a 12 month minimum waiting list and you need to make sure you know EXACTLY what you're doing etc. They also cost a scary £14000 each so they don't hand them out willy nilly! I have loads to read up on, won't bore with the specifics, and then have an apt next week and will hopefully get it soon after.

A unexpected bonus of today,however, was another scan. All is fine. Minisaurus was curled up, legs crossed (very modest) and hands over the face. Also still quite lively and jerky. Apparently the placenta is at the front so it may be a while till I feel things strongly, it was thrashing about at the time of the scan but I couldn't feel it.

I will check on the thread as and when I can (trickier at my mums) and post when I can too.

Jaffa listen to your auntie Manda! [Grin]

Ps IQ I am glad to be of service!

Jaffa, take no notice of the silly tests. You know you're pregnant and from now they mean nothing. I've never done a digital one, because I'm cheap. I do understand the metalling, but step away from the sticks! Manda has given you some wonderful abuse advice.

Nice to be feeling movement baby how lovely. Sorry you're needing more attention but it sounds like they're keeping an eye on you.

Glad to hear the doc was helpful martha - sounds really good. And let's keep everything crossed for just bad luck that turns good from now on.

SPD IQ it's no fun - I had it from 32 weeks with DD but got it at FIVE weeks with mini-toe. I'm already feeling pube twinges with this one and getting up with my legs together I shall be crippled if I go anywhere near term. Sorry that wasn't helpful was it. Ah well, home stretch now - hard work ahead but worth it.

I hope you don't have the bug manda but fingers crossed it's mild if you do.

I was wondering if we could update the list a bit from earlier in the thread, I keep scrolling back to see how far on people are and can't keep track of all the BFPs. Possible? Good idea? Bad? I'm open. Ignore me if you don't fancy it.

MissCoffeeNWine - One coffee bean (14w), one mini-toe (17w) one DD5, and carefully incubating a few cells for metalling purposes.

Hello, so I did another test this morning ( all this week have been done first thing), and it is still 1-2 weeks. I am trying not to panic, and thinking it could just be at lower end of normal, but also trying to brace myself for the worst. I have sore boobs,the odd wave of nausea so these are good, but my scores are so low and have been from the start. I don't think the days can be that wrong because we stopped swi after Christmas day, because we were at my parents and sharing a room with DD.
Thank you foryour sage advice Manda, and thanks for positive vibes. X

martha I am so glad your GP was sympathetic and no I am not a GP just a mentallist obsessive who has done too much googling!! Great that she has referred you and also reassured you too.

jaffa you poor poor thing, I think those conception indicator things are the devil's work and apparently the middle stage (2-3weeks) is the hardest one for it to pick up. Can you go to the EPU and explain your history and then they can check your HCG 48 hrs apart and see if its rising at the right rate (I think its meant to double?) Also although you stopped SWI after Xmas, sperm can live for 5 days so you could be less pregnant than you thought?

manda you are so sensible and have made me feel a lot better. iq you too. baby that pump sounds amazing and great that you managed to get one AND have a sneaky peak at the baby again. Awwww bless.

HI ladies, quick one as have hyperactive toddler on my hands today for some reason....his tolerance for me using the laptop is not high at the best of times but today it is practically non-existent....

Just to say jaffa I hope that you can relax soon, with DS I had a similar issue with the CB digi - it didn't clock over to 2-3 weeks until well after I thought it ought to have done. It was the cause of some sleepless nights then and that was before the horror of MC so I can really sympathise. I don't really have any advice beyond what has already been said, so just know I am thinking of you

I have my booking appointment with the midwife this afternoon, it seems very early but I guess I could be anywhere between 6 and 8 weeks at the moment, I won't know until the scan (which I still don't have a date for - I will ask the midwife to chase this today) so I guess it makes sense to get in to the system. Our local hospital is so oversubscribed as it has just opened and is by all accounts absolutely lovely (no wards at all, all private rooms even for post-natal) I have heard horror stories of people who aren't booked in there pitching up to the labour ward in full blown labour and sitting in the cafe until they are too far gone to be sent home. Apparently one woman was from Manchester (I live in Kent ) and just "happened" to be passing the hospital whilst in labour

Anyway I am sure it will be a lovely hour of paperwork and blood tests (joy) - I'll let you know how it goes

Just a quick from me ! I am still lurking and keeping upto date with everybody, and thinking of you all x

The reason for my lacks of posts is a mixture of work being utterly manic and still freaking out that this won't end well.

16w appt this afternoon (2nd pregnancies aren't supposed to get a 16w appt here but my MW is lovely so is seeing me as if it's my first pregnancy).

Still haven't told anyone ....... (?!!)

My vomitting started at 10pm and ended at 8.30am... Ugh. DS2 rejoined the game for (I hope) a grand finale at 6am after nothing 17 hours. D&V is truly, truly awful, especially when you get it too.

I blame Germany.

Won't give anyone a (well, don't wanna pass it on) but thinking of you all!

MissCoffeeNWine - One coffee bean (14w), one mini-toe (17w) one DD5, and carefully incubating a few cells for metalling purposes.

Maja80 (hope people will stop thinking I'm 15!!) - 31 yo - No DC, mc at 12 weeks (even though baba only measured 6 weeks) on 01/12/11 Currently TTCing and trying to keep sanity.

far There is lady that takes the same train as me every morning. She came back from Christmas holiday showing a gorgeous bump. I can't stop looking at her & wondering why she kept and I didn't , fear she must think I'm in love with her & will soon complain to the TFL authorities.

I do think that all these crazy things we feel are normal. Hugs.

Crazy thing for today - I still haven't figured out what to do about HCPs and keep picking up the phone to the doctors, ringing and then putting it down before they answer (I'm not being a nuisance it goes to mechanical voice first to ask you options) I just don't know what to SAY.... keep metalling between asking to see MW, or GP, asking to speak to MW or get MW to call me, or just making a booking appt. But then the receptionist will be all 'how pregnant are you' and will argue with me about why I need to see either one I choose, and I just all round don't know what to do or say :(

MissCoffee it is hard at this stage - I have to say I felt a bit of a fraud when I saw the GP this time around just to say I had got a positive test but it is good to get into the system. Not sure how it works round your way, but here you see GP first for a very short appointment then you make an appointment with the midwife for booking. It is difficult to know what to say to the receptionists though isn't it - the one I spoke to was lovely though and it was a weight off my mind to have made that first contact.

I had my booking appointment today in fact and it was distinctly underwhelming. Not sure what I expected but I am sure last time it took about an hour and the MW went through and filled in the big binder of notes you carry around. This didn't happen today, she filled out the scan request for the 12 week scan/nuchal tests etc, took some blood, very very briefly talked through family health history and that was about it. I don't have the notes yet.

She did manage to chase the early scan though and it was a good job she did as nothing had actually happened. So I am booked in for Monday at 11.15am.

The metalling starts now........

That is fab news about the scan poppy, try not to stress over the weekend (easier said than done I know!), great they are giving you an early scan though, we had to pay for ours.

Heard heartbeat today and recorded it on my phone for DP :) Wondering how long I can eek out not telling work for, it's my annual appraisal in 4 weeks but doubt I'll last that long.

misscoffee I would phone up and ask to speak to the MW. In my experience they tend to be a bit more sympathetic than GPs.

baby sorry to hear about your experience! It's reassuring to know they seem to be looking after you very well! And go mini-baby on the kicks!

manda sorry to hear about the D&V :( Get well soon missus and manda's DS X

Martha your GP sounds lovely! I wish mine had been as understanding when I went in armed with that list of tests instead of saying "what do you need that one for, and that one" etc etc. Hopefully you can get them done soon and the results in quickly xx

Jaffa please don't fret about the conception indicator. I can only say what the others have said - there are loads of threads on here about how unreliable they are so please don't worry xx My dating scan brought my due date forward a whole week (not possible in my eyes!) so it's squwiff all round IYSWIM!

Sorry, I know I have missed people!! Trying to dash out of work and downing a cup a soup at the same time (not very healthy for bubs! ) Have got an appt with mortgage advisor tomorrow as we really need to move house before baby comes,

We're not very good at keeping the roll call up to date are we! Anybody on here daily that wants to volunteer to keep it updated? I've already lost track with who is where! I think blue had the good idea of having 2 lists for BFP and TTC/WTTC.

BPF
MissCoffeeNWine - One coffee bean (14w), one mini-toe (17w) one DD5, and carefully incubating a few cells for metalling purposes.
PieMistress - 16w with DC#2, m/c at 7 weeks in May, DS aged 2

TTC
Maja80 (hope people will stop thinking I'm 15!!) - 31 yo - No DC, mc at 12 weeks (even though baba only measured 6 weeks) on 01/12/11 Currently TTCing and trying to keep sanity

boo my bold and underlining didn't work :(

Just adding myself to roll call - 'fraid I can't be relied upon to update this, sorry pie

Hooray for mini-pie's heartbeat

BFP
MissCoffeeNWine - One coffee bean (14w), one mini-toe (17w) one DD5, and carefully incubating a few cells for metalling purposes.
PieMistress - 16w with DC#2, m/c at 7 weeks in May, DS aged 2
Poppyjen - 7 (ish) weeks with DC#2, m/c at 6-7 weeks in May, DS aged 22 months

TTC
Maja80 (hope people will stop thinking I'm 15!!) - 31 yo - No DC, mc at 12 weeks (even though baba only measured 6 weeks) on 01/12/11 Currently TTCing and trying to keep sanity

BFP
MissCoffeeNWine - One coffee bean (14w), one mini-toe (17w) one DD5, and carefully incubating a few cells for metalling purposes.
PieMistress - 16w with DC#2, m/c at 7 weeks in May, DS aged 2
Poppyjen - 7 (ish) weeks with DC#2, m/c at 6-7 weeks in May, DS aged 22 months
Babysaurus - 18 weeks with DC#1, mmc at 12 week scan in July, but foetus stopped growing at 5/6 weeks.

TTC
Maja80 (hope people will stop thinking I'm 15!!) - 31 yo - No DC, mc at 12 weeks (even though baba only measured 6 weeks) on 01/12/11 Currently TTCing and trying to keep sanity

Hi Ladies, I am not going to add myself to roll call just yet. And I am not on my phone, so can check properly!

Manda so sorry about the D&V, I hope the rest of your family is spared.

Poppy, good luck with your scan on Monday.

Pie hurray for mini-pielet's heartbeat. Wonderful news.

MsCoffee, do not feel bad ever about contacting/chasing/ being a complete PITA with HCP. You have had a tough time, and the hospital has messed you around with delays. People tend to be much gentler with you once they know you have had a miscarriage, and your treatment is important.

Baby so sorry you are having a hard time with your diabetes, that sounds rotten. Glad you got the bonus scan though.

Waves to Iq Martha Maja Far and says hello to Bonzo for the first time.

I have given myself a good talking to, and started to take some actions. I rang the midwife today, who basically said if it still says pregnant then that is a good thing, and not to pay much attention to numbers, and that ultimately there is nothing I can change anyway. She also wanted me to see a GP, because that is how I will get to have an early scan, so I will be on to that tomorrow.

I had a good think about the stupid tests which, from here on in, will now be called the feckers. I was thinking that I could not tell that there was any increase in hcg because they measure in bands, and you cannot see anything, so I fished them out of the bin, and broke them open. One was darker than the other, (which I am assuming seriously hoping was the right way round), and so I am going to tell myself that this is an improvement. And I have vowed, that if I ever get pregnant again, I will stay away from the feckers.

Going to post this, because it is getting long...

I have also had a few moving things happen this week, in regards to my miscarriage. My due date is Sunday, and I did not think anyone would remember. But, a lovely lady in my choir, who has had a miscarriage herself and was great with me in August, came to me and said, 'How are you, it must be nearly your due date?' I nearly cried then and there, it meant so much to have someone other than close family acknowledge what this weekend means to me.

And then my mum send me a card which has a lovely poem in it, that I thought some of you might like yourselves.

Light

My little man, down what centuries
of light did you travel
to reach us here,
your stay so short lived;

in the twinkling of an eye
you were moving on,
bearing our name and a splinter
of the human cross we suffer;

flashed upon us like a beacon,
we wait in darkness for that light
to come round, knowing at heart
you shine forever for us.

Hugh O'Donnell

was planning to put out some cinnamon buns that I made last night. But they are a bit rubbery, and DC (i mean darling cat, not my son) has definitely licked one of them. Anyone still keen?

BFP
MissCoffeeNWine - One coffee bean (14w), one mini-toe (17w) one DD5, and carefully incubating a few cells for metalling purposes.
PieMistress - 16w with DC#2, m/c at 7 weeks in May, DS aged 2
Poppyjen - 7 (ish) weeks with DC#2, m/c at 6-7 weeks in May, DS aged 22 months
Babysaurus - 18 weeks with DC#1, mmc at 12 week scan in July, but foetus stopped growing at 5/6 weeks.

TTC
Maja80 (hope people will stop thinking I'm 15!!) - 31 yo - No DC, mc at 12 weeks (even though baba only measured 6 weeks) on 01/12/11 Currently TTCing and trying to keep sanity
bonzo 34 yo. DS aged 22 months. mmc @ 12wks 19/12/11 measured 6wks. TTC DC2

slightly pissed off as having had no bleeding for a couple of days, I've got some light spotting, or "smears of marmite, SOM" as I see it. No pain though. I know someone (up thread?) warned me of this. Grrrr, just as we were thinking of SWI! But I guess I am just 7 days post ERPC, so should be a bit patient.

Soooooooo Friday the 13th has really and truly got me so far this morning!!!!

1. Woke up to no water this morning (a major burst pipe apparently)
2. there was nothing for me to have for breakfast (no cereal or toast in the house)
3. I had to drive DH?s car into work ? which I hate.
4. he didn?t have any de-icer so I was forced to stand and scrape the car ? which was not exactly easy with the malteaser in the way.
5. my brand new coat now has a big brown smear across the tummy from me having to lean on the bonnet to get to the centre of the front windscreen.
6. I arrived at work with no car pass and so had to park in the visitor area and walk to my office.
7. as I turned the car off I realised that the bloody thing is practically empty and will need to be filled up!!!

So the only answer was to get a mcdonald?s pancake and sausage meal??. will go through and catch up when my blood pressure goes down!!!!

I am making som progress! I had a 2-3 reading today, yeah! Saw doctor, and they will give me a HCG blood test on Monday, and then another one if needed a few days later. Hopefully, will get some answers.

Sorry about your rubbish start to the day IQ, hope it gets better!