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Just MC and ready to try again? Pregnant after MC and seeking somewhere safe to hide? Jump in the mosh pit for some serious metalling or settle yourself down in our padded cell. All welcome! (Part 19)

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Poppyjen · 08/12/2011 23:03

Another new thread for some more serious metalling - we really are a chatty lot!

Here's to making it through the WTF cycle(s), metalling* like a teenager from the early '90s in the 2WW, BFP colds and other classic symptom spotting and hiding in the (nice and comfy) padded cell post BFP Grin

If you have miscarried and are ready to TTC again, come and join us!

  • For those currently wondering what our mosh pit antics have to do with ttc post MC, a fabulous typo in an earlier thread resulted in "mentalling" becoming known as "Metalling" - a far more fitting expression I am sure you will agree!

Welcome!

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MandaHugNKiss · 13/01/2012 14:16

Grin jaffa Hey, i don't wanna say 'I told you so...' but... Wink In all seriousness I truly think you probably ovularted maybe a day or two after your last, y'know, activity. Or could just be that your perfectly normal hormone levels are slightly under Ms.Averages. Hope you're feeling better today.

IQ Eep, that's one sucky sounding start to the day. Things can only get better, huh? At least you're not staying at Camp Crystal Lake (one for the horror fans, there Wink)

I have finally eaten something. Yesterday, I just couldn't force anything down. Stupid german bug.

Now, a bath.

MandaHugNKiss · 13/01/2012 14:17

Ovularted? Hehe. Makes me sound rather Sloane.

newtonupontheheath · 13/01/2012 19:18

Evening all!

DS was up at half 4 again this morning so in bed mega early (6 o'clock!) so I've done all the houseworky bits I needed to do and can just sit all night :)

I've added myself to the roll call....

BFP
MissCoffeeNWine - One coffee bean (14w), one mini-toe (17w) one DD5, and carefully incubating a few cells for metalling purposes.
PieMistress - 16w with DC#2, m/c at 7 weeks in May, DS aged 2
Poppyjen - 7 (ish) weeks with DC#2, m/c at 6-7 weeks in May, DS aged 22 months
Babysaurus - 18 weeks with DC#1, mmc at 12 week scan in July, but foetus stopped growing at 5/6 weeks.

*TTC8
Maja80 (hope people will stop thinking I'm 15!!) - 31 yo - No DC, mc at 12 weeks (even though baba only measured 6 weeks) on 01/12/11 Currently TTCing and trying to keep sanity
bonzo 34 yo. DS aged 22 months. mmc @ 12wks 19/12/11 measured 6wks. TTC DC2
Newtonupontheheath 27yo, DS 15mo, TTC DC2 following mmc 21/11/11 @ 11 weeks (baby 8 weeks) due to POAS 22/01/12

Manda Glad to hear you are feeling better...

Jaffa Hope you get some answers next week. I haven't used those tests myself, but can see how they can be misleading. But who wants to be Ms Average anyway :o

Hi to Bonzo and all the other lovely ladies that have joined since I last posted. I found great comfort in these boards and there are lots of us hear if you have any questions, or just need somebody to share your experiences with.

Right Kells and Maja How many days til we POAS? 8 is it... I so can't wait that long. Preganancy symptoms so far that I have clearly imagined are: metalic taste in mouth, gone off tea, tired (but that could be because DS isn't sleeping) and grumpy as hell (ditto) I'm indulging myself by reading all the threads about early pregnancy symptoms and looking at maternity clothes :o / :(

MandaHugNKiss · 13/01/2012 20:08

Gosh, newton I had no idea you and maja were ttc EIGHT babies? Vying for the title of NewandImproved!Octomum?! and not at all loopy like the other one

I'm bored, hence facetious - just ignore me Grin

DF just called and offered to bring a curry in and I all but turned him down... stupid bloody german bug... (seriously, Germany is probably lovely. We just had a cruddy time although from the looks of the four pics I added to my profile today from the weekend you'd never really guess).

So, naturally, I suggested we go out instead. That makes sense, right? Like I said, I'm bored; I think I need to get out more than I need to eat something! Now... gotta work on DD to watch DS2 for an hour so that I can regain some sanity pop out.

newtonupontheheath · 13/01/2012 20:36

K Manda took me aaaaages to get that one.... are you going out or what? :o

I'd have 8 (not all at the same time!) but don't think they'd all fit in my house. I'd have to erect (tee hee) some sort of shed/hutch/run for them in the garden and send them out to work in the field or something.

Another 1 would be quite nice for now though.

bonzo77 · 13/01/2012 23:07

newton going off tea is pretty much the sign with me.....

manda did DF take you out? Or did you have curry after all? I made curry, but had brown rice for my bowels, and DH had to make an "urgent" call to sky just as I was ready to dish up, so it really wasn't that special. Hope yours was better whatever it ended up being.

IQ hope your day improved, how could it not with Macca's to the rescue?

question for all post- ERPC TTC-ers. Oh and TMI alert. I am 8 days post ERPC. Bleeding was light and stopped on day 5. Firstly, I am getting little niggles very suggestive of my body gearing up for ovulation. That's possible isn't it? That I could be ovulating in a week's time, 14 days after ERPC. I did POAS and get a BFN on day 5. So anyway, we DTD last night. Gently mind, as I felt a bit bruised. Afterwards I had some old dark brown blood, and have had the same today. No pain. Just old left over blood mixed with cum? No real clots, just a couple of stringy bits. Pretty much what I would find if we did it towards the end of AF (or have we re-named her ROG). I feel absolutely fine, just like I would feel at 8 days into a normal cycle (except for the blood). No signs of a temperature or being unwell. Is there any point getting medical advice? I'd wait till Monday anyway before calling anyone.

MandaHugNKiss · 13/01/2012 23:27

Egads, newton your last line has made me think I was being a touch insensitve - I'm so sorry if you (or anyone else) felt so, obviously I really, really did not mean it that way.

bonzo I did indeed go out, just got back in. I had a pint of shandy with my curry! Didn't drink it all mind, but just like with DS2 shandy (or lager) goes down sooooo well. I really don't drink it when pregnant!

With regards to your spotting/stringy brown stuff and, er, stuff... sounds very normal to me. With no pain or temp, spotting on and off post mc/erpc bleeding tailing off is normal. Lots of us here have experienced it (to a more or less degree - for some of us it went on for weeks!). Also, yes, perfectly possible you're gearing up to O. But then it's also usual for your body to show all the signs (ewcm, for instance) several times during WTF but no ovulation occurs. In short... might or might not O. Helpful, huh? If WTF 'teaches' us anything, it's patience. Cos there really doesn't seem to be any option other than to 'wait and see'.

MandaHugNKiss · 13/01/2012 23:33

I really don't drink it when not* pregnant.

newtonupontheheath · 14/01/2012 06:51

manda please don't worry, it takes a lot more than that to offend me...I took it in the lighthearted way it was intended.

bonzo Thanks for indulging me. As manda says, it all sounds fairly normal ERPC in my experience. Back in November, I think I struggled more with the emotional side of things rather than the physical. I'm assured this too is normal (just in case you were wondering!) Smile

Feel like a new woman after last night... DS slept from 7-6 and the times when he woke up (3 & 4:30) he actually went back to sleep in his own bed (rather than crying/running into our room) I am like this > Grin as we've made about a million percent progress.

MissCoffeeNWine · 14/01/2012 12:04

Sorry this is going to be a quick mememe post.

I'm spending each night metalling into the early hours Blush I keep going over all the things they could tell us at the appointment (12 days to go). These are the things I'm most worried about:

Finding out the sex. It would be worse if it was a little boy (and I think it was) then if it was a little girl. This is crazy but true. Also worried they might not tell me the sex even though it was something we requested from PM and I'll have to call it it forever.

What if it's something we did. I am specifically metalling about - what if it's something I ate, then it would be my fault - and what if we lost it because fo some kind of STD, then it would be DP's fault (there's a long story, there, love him to bits and all that and he's not disease ridden and got checked out prior to TTC, I don't know why it's worrying me really as I trust him but I had the thought and now it won't go away).

What if it's something that means this one is doomed too. Or, actually, worse, what if it's something that means this one MIGHT be doomed but there's nothing to be done and no way to find out so I just have to be pregnant for the next 3-4 months and then lose another.

I'm going slowly crazy.

Sorry for the selfish post.

newtonupontheheath · 14/01/2012 12:36

Oh coffee I don't know what to say...nothing I can say will make it better so just

JaffaSnaffle · 14/01/2012 13:42

MsCoffee, just a quick one. I had an appointment with consultant in October.

Regarding your fears about whether they will tell you about the sex, it is very likely that they will. If it is anything like mine, they ran a chromosome screen, to look for any obvious abnormalities that occur at such a fundamental genetic level. One of the 23 pairs of chromosomes is sex, so they should have this information. How you process this is a different matter. I found out that mine was a little boy. It has helped me to think about him more clearly, which sometimes hurts more if you see what I mean, but has generally been a good thing. It did make me wonder how I would feel about future pregnancies though, and took me a while to process. It was part of the reason why we had a break from TTC.

It is very unlikely that it was something that you or your DP did, and as for all the other concerns you need to be strong, and wait out your 12 days. If it is something that might affect this pregnancy, they will do everything they can, and at least they will know this time. Sending you a big hug xx

Will be back sometime to relay my terrible Fri 13th story. I think it tops yours IQ!

MandaHugNKiss · 14/01/2012 13:44

miss If you requested the sex to be known, they will tell you. Now the thing is making your peace with the results. Your baby was your baby, whichever sex it was - this is something that ties in with the gender disappointment MANY women feel when pregnant. It's a totally natural feeling - we tend to project what we think it means to be a 'boy' or a 'girl' onto the baby and then further project how what that would mean for our relationship with them, and how it makes us feel to 'produce' this child for your partner (and their expectations) and the extended family. But it's so important to remember that we can project all we like - bottom line is a boy or girl may be the complete opposite of what you expect; or may be exactly as you imagined it yet somehow doesn't feel the way you thought it would. Your baby was your baby and the real pain is that it is gone before you got to know who it was rather than 'what' it was. I know you feel it would be worse to hear 'male' but be prepared to feel as stunned/devastated to hear 'female' too. It's just going to be hard. But probably quite important for your 'closure'.

Wrt to std, if DP has 'history' then it's natural for your mind to jump to anything negative in either of your past's to try and pin the blame somewhere. As humans, we kinda want and need that blame (even if it then means forgiving). Afaik, there are very few stds that would cause a mc/birth defects - obviously the main one they test for at booking (syphilis) you must have been clear from. A primary infection of herpes is dangerous to the fetus during pregnancy but you would have know if you'd have caught that even if DP had kept quiet. Other, minor stds (or even a bad uti) can cause contractions/rupture of membranes a bit later but although I don't know all your details I don't think this is what happened with you, huh? Ok, so what I'm saying here is it's highly unlikely that this fear of yours will prove to be true, and whilst it's natural you're 'going there' try not to. Try not to feel that way about DP (we all have a past, some of it not so pretty!). MC has a nasty way of setting couples assunder as they struggle with their own feelings of guilt and/or blame... I don't think you deserve that on top of how you already feel so work on accepting it's normal but doesn't mean it's right.

Ditto 'something' you ate. There are a tiny number of things that can pass the placenta to harm the baby - listeria being one that jumps to mind. Now, if you'd have been poisoned by listeria, you'd have known ALL ABOUT IT! You'd have been very poorly. And, so, it wouldn't really just be a musing for apportioning blame, it would be your prime suspect and DP wouldn't have been looked at askew at all! Grin I got very poorly with 'flu at the end of the first tri with my loss - extremely high temp. The consultant confirmed that it was likely to have caused the death of the baby (although as I turned down PM, we won't know for sure).

Are you completely prepared to hear 'It was bad luck/we just don't know'? and how do you actually feel (or think you feel) about that? For me, there was a strange comfort from knowing there was (probably) nothing 'wrong' with DS3, it was just bad luck I got so ill at a time when the baby was still vulnerable to v.high temps. On the other hand, I kinda wanted something to be wrong so that there was a 'proper' reason - there is just not really a 'winning' answer if you know what I mean? The baby is still gone - even with 'blame', even with a reason... Be prepared to hear what you think is something good (bad luck - nothing wrong with you!) and for it to not actually bring you the complete peace you imagine.

Dear miss I hope you can not only know that the stuff I say is logical and true, but also come to feel it. But know however much you feel you're stumbling through this time, however much you feel 'mememe', we are here and really do get it. Don't be afraid of voicing how you feel.

Ok, and now my tea is cold! Microwaved tea is totally yummy, right?

MissCoffeeNWine · 14/01/2012 20:48

Oh jaffa and manda you made me cry - in a good way. Thankyou.

The voices of reason. Poor maligned DP. (We once broke up for three months, he slept with a few people during that time and wasn't as careful as he should have been - that is all!) I didn't sleep with anyone (wasted opportunity!! Grin) He did get checked after and I've no reason to doubt him Blush

They didn't do bloods at booking. They did them at my scan at 13 weeks and then never sent the results back as apparently I didn't give in the right form, (even though I gave in all my notes, and noone told me I had to give them anything, and they kept me waiting for 90 minutes, and then showed me into a room and asked me how long I'd been diabetic - I'm not diabetic). So I have no idea whether I'm positive or negative for anything. The MW took some more because of the above incompetence at my 16 week appointment but I never got them back.

I didn't contract spontaneously but mini-toe died because my waters broke, beginning on the morning of the Tuesday, heard the HB on Tuesday evening, trickle continued all day Wednesday, tried the HB on Thursday morning, didn't find it, went into the unit and that's that.

I would MUCH rather hear it was bad luck or they don't know. That would be my preference.

It would be worse if it was a boy for a few reasons - one because DP wants a boy secretly - two because I already have a girl and would then rationalise that I can't carry boys - three because I am certain that I'm collecting a female bundle of cells in my uterus currently. I'm 80% sure mini-toe was a DS.

I'm sorry but so glad I've got you guys to type to.

I really am metalling. Though counting down to the appointment is taking my mind off pregnancy metalling, so that's a positive.

My hips are now falling apart, though, so I'm definitely knocked up.

I will be back to talk about something other than myself in a bit.

Poppyjen · 15/01/2012 19:23

HI ladies, a quick me me me post I am afraid. I am fully entering the metalling zone now. I had a wee bit of pink cm yesterday and now I am absolutely terrified. I have my early scan tomorrow at 11.15 and I think it is going to be a fairly sleepless night.....

Wish me luck!

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PieMistress · 15/01/2012 19:32

poppy please don't worry (easier said than done I know), it's more than likely to be nothing, have you been having nookie or anything? At least tomorrow you have your scan which should put your mind at rest - are you about 6w now?

misscoffee remind me when your appointment is again? I am thinking of you x

Poppyjen · 15/01/2012 20:00

Pie thanks - I know I know - but it is just harking back to how everything started with the mc, there hasn't been any more today which I guess is a good thing. Not sure how far along I am, that's partly the reason for the scan. I reckon it is about 7 weeks now, although by LMP it is more like 9 so tomorrow will tell all being well. I would be very surprised if I was further along than 7ish weeks but you never know with these things....

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PieMistress · 15/01/2012 20:02

poppy will be thinking of you in the morning and keeping everything crossed that your bubs is just fine and dandy xx

JaffaSnaffle · 15/01/2012 20:17

Poppy, sending you huge hugs and lots of handholding. As Pie says, it is most likely to be nothing. And yet, I know that it will be very hard for you not to panic, and I so am so very glad you have your scan tomorrow so that you only have one night of metalling. Try your best to at least rest your body, even if you cannot sleep or rest your mind, maybe read a book in your bed. Keep yourself nice and cosy with some snacks, and do whatever you can to get you through until tomorrow. Hope you manage to catch a bit of sleep.

MissCoffee, I completely get where you are coming from with thinking that you cannot carry boys. I have the same mad line of thought quite often. I am sorry my reply was a bit terse, (after reading Manda's lovely response, I feel a bit put to shame). I was not really able to write much, will explain below, but I have been thinking about you a lot. I guess the appointment is digging up all your fears and worries in anticipation. But please try and see it as a good thing- after the appointment, you will only have the truth to deal with instead of the imaginings, which are understandably dark thoughts. I found that because I had no explanation, I could only think of the things that I knew about, and they were all things that I myself had possibly done, and spent a lot of time in self blame. In my darkest moments now, I go back there, but less often than before. And as Manda has so eloquently said, be prepared to be in a different place mentally after your meeting. I hope you are doing ok in the meantime.

Well, today was my little one's due date. It has been a very sad day. I have spent some time where he is buried, and planted a snowdrop. It feels bit like the end of a chapter. I have been thinking, 'I would be x months pregnant now', for such a long time and that will go now I think. I just wish he was coming home with me.

And the backdrop to this has been the Friday 13th calamity. My DD was strapped in her booster seat in the kitchen when I was cooking, and tipped her chair over sideways onto the tiled floor. We went into hospital in an ambulance with a suspected head injury. Casualty on a Friday night anyone...?? She was discharged that night, and is much improved now, but still not herself. Hard times in the Jaffa house.

Tomorrow is my HCG blood test. Get my results on Weds, wish me luck.

Poppyjen · 15/01/2012 20:22

My godness Jaffa what a friday - hope that your DD is on the road to recovery, absolute nightmare I see that situation in my minds eye so often with toddlers and tiles...

I really hope that after today you feel you can begin a new phase - it is such a sad thing but as you say it is the end of a chapter. My lost one's due date is coming up in 2 weeks and I haven't given myself permission to think about it really I guess it will hit me like ton of bricks when it arrives. Your snowdrop idea is just lovely.

Good luck with the HCG test Smile

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MissCoffeeNWine · 15/01/2012 20:37

Oh jaffa and poppy!

poppy I understand the mentalling, I do, but I have every faith that your bean will be absolutely fine and bobbing around in there growing happily. I am glad there is only one night to worry but I'm thinking of you and will cross everything for tomorrow. What time is the scan?

jaffa oh poor mini-jaffa :( I hope she feels better soon. I I've never had to make the A&E trip yet 5 years in but it's definitely total luck. You have my sympathy.

Wishing your lost one a peaceful due date ThanksThanks and lots of love to you.

I'm going to be very nosy now and ask about him being buried. I didn't have anything for mini-toe, not buried, no marker, just taken away by the hospital. I often wonder if I should have but at the time it felt a bit like an overreaction or making a big deal out of things (not projecting this onto you at all promise). The reason I regret it is totally selfish though - I want people to acknowledge and realise that it wasn't just an unfortunate incident but a real actual baby with eyes and a nose and tiny little toes that I carried for months and months. As it is, because I only told them I was pregnant a couple of weeks before, the vast majority are under the impression I told everyone after my BFP and then lost it a couple of weeks later - which of course is still traumatic but doesn't acknowledge mini-toe as a real person who lived and kicked me.

Absolutely no shame required I was bowled over by both lovely responses.

Good luck with the HCG results.

My appointment isn't until 26th Jan so lots of time to metal.

NoMoreMarbles · 16/01/2012 00:04

hi.... i am quietly freaking out...

shall i start with a bit of background before shamelessly asking for some help/support?

ok...here goes...

im 29, married, TTC DC#2, i have a DD who turned 6 last week, i have had 7 MCs (1 at 14 weeks, 1 at 9 weeks and 5 between 5 and 7 weeks- technically CPs but GP said a MC is a MC whenever it happens) my most recent being july 2010 at 9 weeks which was another 5-6 week-er but no loss until week 9-the day before my "early" scanSad

i got a BFP this morning...not a strong one yet as AF not due for another day or twoBlush (im a serial POASer always have beenGrin) but as they say a line is a line is a line...

i have been TTC#2 for 4 years and after Mc3 i had a barrage of investigations (all on the list that was posted last week- i read the last weeks info so i am sort of up to date) and it turns out i have high levels for anti-phospholipids (APS), high Lupus anticoag (LA), and high anti-cardiolipids so all in all, not good. this also means i got a group diagnosis of Lupus (SLE) as i also have alot of inflammatory factors and was originally told i had arthritis due to the joint pain and swelling i had been having. i also have underactive thyroid but only mild so all in all i am riddled and rattling with the meds i am onHmm

anywho...i have roughly a 75% chance of losing this pregnancy without treatment and 50/50 with- treatment involves baby asprin daily (i take this for the SLE anyway) and daily heparin injections from 6 weeks. i have to go direct to see my consultant (who is marvellous- Dr Farquarrson in Liverpool Womens Hospital in case anyone wanted to look him upSmile) so i will wait until AF is definitely late and call the direct number and start the ball rollingSmile

so after that monumental ramble i will now say...anyone feel up to holding my hand while i freak out?Smile i bake...

babysaurus · 16/01/2012 09:40

This is being typed on my phone but I wanted to hold your hand Nomoremarbles.
Back later when I can type on the PC
x

MandaHugNKiss · 16/01/2012 10:28

nomoremarbles Thank goodness you mentioned baking at the last or else you certainly wouldn't have been welcome... Wink

So, what baked goods are you offering before I extend my support? Grin

I can't imagine how you must be feeling - And House is obviously wrong (it's never Lupus? Well, apparenty sometimes it is). Is this your first pregnancy since getting a disgnosis? If so, at least you have some new strategies to try to improve your odds greatly. And... if not, well, those 50/50 odds WILL fall in your favour at least half of the time, right? So why not this time?

If you want quiet handholding, I can do that too (so long as it doesn't interfere with the cakes...) or I'm not bad at cheereading - which do you prefer? I stuck my head in the sand for some time after my bfp but that doesn't work for everyone.

Hope you'll stick around - we'd like to help you through.

poppy my love, you are very much in my thoughts this AM (even though DD has now come down with the flippin' german bug now and was puking all evening/into the night). You yourself will KNOW that a little bit of spotting in early pregnancy really needn't signal doom and can be so common in a perfectly healthy pregnancy; doesn't change how it feels though, eh? I'm squeezing all my positive thoughts through my fingers - can you feel it? Smile

So, as I said. DD poorly now. Being a Mum's great! Grin

NoMoreMarbles · 16/01/2012 10:44

manda Grin cakes and pies are my specialitySmile
i had a preliminary diagnosis before my MC in july'10 but have known about the LA for a couple of years before that. thanks for the handholdingSmile

baby thanks for the supportSmile