Just MC and ready to try again? Pregnant after MC and seeking somewhere safe to hide? Jump in the mosh pit for some serious metalling or settle yourself down in our padded cell. All welcome! (Part 19)

[Poppyjen]

Another new thread for some more serious metalling - we really are a chatty lot!

Here's to making it through the WTF cycle(s), metalling* like a teenager from the early '90s in the 2WW, BFP colds and other classic symptom spotting and hiding in the (nice and comfy) padded cell post BFP

If you have miscarried and are ready to TTC again, come and join us!

• For those currently wondering what our mosh pit antics have to do with ttc post MC, a fabulous typo in an earlier thread resulted in "mentalling" becoming known as "Metalling" - a far more fitting expression I am sure you will agree!

Welcome!

Huge congrats to Jaffa!

My Internet is playing up, I've missed the cakes

Hello angel& frustrated Sorry you had to come here but do have some cakes - Thanks blue...

I know it's Monday but shall we open some ...? Posh pink lemonade for the pg ladies :o

Ok, CD 16. I have done my best (ahem) this week end & now all it's left is some group POAS with newton & kells in two weeks time. In the meantime, I'm going to drink wine, eat cakes and try to keep the metalling to the minimum.

Angel, sending you big hugs. I sometimes light a candle when I think about my little one, and think about their short little life. It is my 'due date' on Sunday.

Frustrated, you might be having a WTF cycle. Without scaring you, and I can only relate what happened with my mc, there might be another possibility. I had the oh-so-sensitively named "retained products of conception" afterwards. My miscarriage was induced, and afterwards they checked the placenta and thought it was complete, but they missed a bit. My bleeding stopped completely, and then a week later, it started up again, quite heavily. Eventually, I passed a little bit of placenta (Sorry if TMI), which I think my body was trying to expel. If your bleeding sounds like this, perhaps you could have a word with your GP. They put me on some super dose antibiotics for a week, which stopped it completely.

Thank you everyone for your congratulations, especially MsEltoe's Jaffa Cakes!

Hiya ladies. I'm a lazy cow, so haven't bothered to read the rest of the thread (yet). But here I am, hoping to TTC DC2. We TTC for 7 months then my mmc was diagnosed 19th December and I had my ERPC last Thursday 5th Jan. Bleeding stopped and This morning I tested and got a BFN, so I guess means that any time now we can start SWI. But doctor said wait 2 weeks from time of ERPC. Really? Do we have to wait? Anybody not wait? Right, off to read rest of thread.....

Welcome Bonzo frustrated and angel - I'm sorry you need to be here but it's amusing, supportive and there's cake. Sometimes even real cake.

MINI Jaffas, jaffa! The most important detail .

I feel very lucky to have made it through two MCs and a birth without any retained products (I agree bloody icky term) or ERPCs or any other kind of op or surgery. You ladies have my respect, but sadly I have no advice on that score.

My body seems pretty good at getting them in and pretty good at getting them out, it just needs to work on the bit in the middle....

Speaking of middles, January bloat + early pregnancy bloat + feeling so very dizzy I'm barely exercising and keep eating sugary things in case I have low blood sugar + huge amounts of sedentary work to do = a very big fat tummy

There will be rumours at this rate... I was supposed to be starting training for a 5k this month

welcome bonzo and sorry for your reasons for being here. this is a lovely thread though with lots of good advice and support.

blue you truly are a star!

D'oh, after all the excitement with the tea tray I popped back into the bedroom (in semi-darkness as DH still waking up) and set my lovely new GHD hair straighteners to warm up, got distracted with finishing getting ready for work, popped back to do my hair and picked up my lovely HOT straighteners with the wrong end...ie the hot plate cue lots of yelps and a dash into the bathroom to find cold water. Poor DH wasn't quite sure what had happened and woke up with a start and all my good intentions of being at work on time went totally out the wondow whilst DH insisted (and probably rightly so) that I sit with my finger in a bowl of iced cold water for 20mins to try and reduce the blistering....still bloomin sore though and a nice big blister forming...lovely!!!

oh god blue i have done that before, i was branded for weeks

Hi ladies sorry I have been awol for a while, burying my head in the sand a bit I guess - horrible to admit but I have found it very difficult to read everyone's awful experiences without becoming absolutely terrified. I know that this is my problem not anyone else's so absolutely don't read that as any sort of criticism. This thread is a wonderful place to say whatever you need to say, I think I just need to distance myself some days to keep myself sane sorry!

Well my "morning" (ha ha) sickness is here - not actually been sick yet but it was a close run thing last night. DS was just about in bed asleep when something told me if I didn't eat there would be trouble - cue me frantically trying to get the cereal out of the back of the cupboard knocking over several tins and packets and not being fast enough....ending up rushing to the bathroom blood rushing to my face (you know how it goes...) and then nothing. Which is almost worse than actually being sick as its like your body is just teasing and biding its time....

Anyway, nausea, extreme exhaustion (my DS had a VERY early nap today bless him so I could collapse on the sofa) aside, I am doing ok today. I think I am somewhere between 6 and 7 weeks at the moment. I have my booking appointment on Thursday afternoon and I am still waiting to hear when my "early" dating scan will be - at this rate it won't be all that early!

So what I was going to say, after what turned into a right old ramble is that I am also having issues with GHD hair straighteners at the moment in that I seem to have lost them. Absolute unmitigated disaster. Somewhere between the in-laws at Christmas and home they have vanished. Can't quite contemplate replacing them as I am sure it is just severe early-pg brain blinding me to the obvious. Anyway, just wanted to add my input to the "GHDs are tricky buggers" conversation

Hi to the new ladies, welcome and hope you find it a support to be here

Congratulations to MissCoffee and Jaffa hooray for Christmas/New Year beans!

AaaH bluecrane the new GHDs are a real improvement with the super fast heat up. 7 seconds apparently, just long enough to section your hair and get the spray out! DS likes playing with mine so have to keep them hidden.

poppu I would be lost without my GHDs. I have a spare cheap set just in case! In the mean time, everyone says what a good sign morning sickness is, so sounds promising. And you know, mine went off suspiciously early before my mmc.

Still no bleeding today. Took DS to a soft play place with a trampoline this morning. We were bouncing away and things did feel a bit odd! Perhaps par for the course though as I've not been on a trampoline for about 20 years!

DH has requested cinnamon buns with icing and glace cherries, so will put them on the tray if he doesn't eat the lot!

I have a consultant appointment Two weeks' time. If I'm still pregnant then I'll be 6 weeks 5 days.

What to do? That's slap bang in the middle of the time the MWs will want to see me (they book in between 6-8 weeks here, I think that's batty but there you go). They won't see me before 6 weeks and the CMW is only in on a Friday.....I would be 5 weeks and 6 days the Friday before the cons appointment, 6 weeks 6 days the Friday after. Those are kind of my booking-in windows if I want to get the extra scans I should be offered (8 weeks and 16 weeks).

Does that make any sense? The question is should I go in to see the MW as early as possible to get my scan booked at 8 weeks (which I do want, ideally, although it wouldn't reassure me much even if it was okay) OR should I wait until I've seen the consultant and know what's going on (although she might not have answers either) and risk missing the window for booking the scan - and will the MW even book a scan for me just on my word for it as they don't seem very co-ordinated and just take all the info down from me each time.

Another thing is I really don't fancy upping and downing to the hospital all the time it's a PITA to get to if I don't strictly have to, do you reckon I should ring and tell the consultant I'm pregnant again? I have no idea if the message would even get through or be deemed important. Maybe if I told the consultant I was pregnant before the appointment she can book me a scan?

I have no idea how any of this works. Can anyone shed any light.

Of course the worst outcome would be the PM of Mini-toe showing something which means the current pregnancy is doomed. Which it may well. At which point any time spent booking in with MW or having scans wuld have been a pointless waste of resources. My fault, of course, but there you go.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

MissCoffee, sorry I've not read back, am I right in thinking that this consultant appt is to discuss PM results? Is the consultant Ob/Gyn or a Paed? I think that if you have a direct line to her secretary, I'd call and explain the situation. I can understand you not wanting to go to the hospital every 5 minutes though, you might be able to organise it that you get consultant, scan and mw the same day...no that would be too much to ask.

misscoffee I went to my GP to 'register' my pregnancy this time and he put the paperwork through for the early scan and to get the MW appointment, I know everything works differently depending where you live but could that be an option? However, I also second ringing the Consultant's office to explain the situation and see if you can 'expedite' your appointment by explaining the distress you are currently under being pregnant again and still not knowing what happened to mini-toe and what's shown up on the PM (after all they were supposed to get back to you before Christmas so do owe you some attention now!!).

poppy glad to hear you're ok and for MS even though it's mighty unpleasant is it a good sign!! Is it worth chasing up your 'early' scan date with the EPU? They all seem pretty useless with paperwork and if you emphasise your nervousness following previous MC etc that may help.

Just thought...anyone heard from pebs not sure when she's due back from her SWI filled trip to Oz??

Right...back to work (and my dodgy typing due to blistered finger!)

The letter is really nice actually and assures me I will have a private waiting area and all sorts, obviously personally written by the secretary in response to a blasting from the PM nurse - I think actually two weeks IS it being expedited, their original suggestion was March! I'm happy enough with the appt, it'll give DP a bit of notice if he wants to get time off work and it's a very good time of day to get DD off to school and be back to pick her up. I'm happy enough with the appt, I think (though the next two weeks will not be easy).

The letter says 'if you so wish this will also be an opportunity to discuss your plans and care in a future pregnancy'

Am I reading too much into it or am I reasonable to think if there was something awful that means this one was doomed they wouldn't have put that or would have been in touch to tell me not to TTC? They said TTCing again was fine in the hospital after the loss, btw, I'm not completely irresponsible.

It seems to be a consultant obstetrician. Is that meaning nothing was wrong with mini-toe?

\m/ \m/ Metal Out.

Just hopping on to say remember when i said 'at least none of us are ill'?

Well, scratch that.

DS2 throwing up every half hour from 6am until just before 1pm. Nothing since, but I haven't given him any food (only very dilute juice). So, yeah, gotta get back to my poorly little boy

Hi all - hope everyone is well!! Just a quick one before I go to bed.

Manda sorry to hear your weekend was such a wash out and sorry your little one is sick. Hopefully he's managed to get rid of whatever it is and will be better tomorrow.

blue big ouch on the burnt fingers - it is one of those things that always seem to happen when your doing well for time and on the way to work. Hope it feels netter this evening.

poppy welcome to the puke club......in the nicest way possible!!! Sorry that you feel pants but I agree with the other ladies - it's definitely a good sign!! Xxx

miss coffee I would say ring the consultants secretary at least that way you can explain the situation and then see if there is anything that can be done to bring all your appointments closer together so less hospital trips. Or at least so the consultant knows your pg and comes ready to discuss 'a way ahead' when you go to see her about the PM results from mini-toe.

Welcome to the new ladies - come in, enjoy the cake and make yourselves comfortable. There are lots of ups and downs on this TTC road and these ladies will be with you every step of the way!!

I had a MW appointment yesterday and was given my anti-d injection (I was very brave and didn't cry - I'm usually a wimp with needles). Baby is fine and head down but measuring 29 weeks so the MW thinks she won't be big.......all along I've been told she will be huge (at the 20 week scan she actually said "don't expect a 6lber more like 8) so now I don't know who to believe. Oh well as long as she gets here safely I'm not going to worry about all that. I do have another health issue to add to my lovely long list - I now have SPD which gives me really bad pain on the right side of my pubic bone. Will need to contact the physio (again) so that she can give me some exercises to help.

Love, hugs and kisses to everyone else!!! Xxxx

Hi all - hope everyone is well!! Just a quick one before I go to bed.

Manda sorry to hear your weekend was such a wash out and sorry your little one is sick. Hopefully he's managed to get rid of whatever it is and will be better tomorrow.

blue big ouch on the burnt fingers - it is one of those things that always seem to happen when your doing well for time and on the way to work. Hope it feels netter this evening.

poppy welcome to the puke club......in the nicest way possible!!! Sorry that you feel pants but I agree with the other ladies - it's definitely a good sign!! Xxx

miss coffee I would say ring the consultants secretary at least that way you can explain the situation and then see if there is anything that can be done to bring all your appointments closer together so less hospital trips. Or at least so the consultant knows your pg and comes ready to discuss 'a way ahead' when you go to see her about the PM results from mini-toe.

Welcome to the new ladies - come in, enjoy the cake and make yourselves comfortable. There are lots of ups and downs on this TTC road and these ladies will be with you every step of the way!!

I had a MW appointment yesterday and was given my anti-d injection (I was very brave and didn't cry - I'm usually a wimp with needles). Baby is fine and head down but measuring 29 weeks so the MW thinks she won't be big.......all along I've been told she will be huge (at the 20 week scan she actually said "don't expect a 6lber more like 8) so now I don't know who to believe. Oh well as long as she gets here safely I'm not going to worry about all that. I do have another health issue to add to my lovely long list - I now have SPD which gives me really bad pain on the right side of my pubic bone. Will need to contact the physio (again) so that she can give me some exercises to help.

Love, hugs and kisses to everyone else!!! Xxxx

Just popping on quickly to say Good Morning and hello to everyone!! Hope you all have a good day today!

manda sorry to hear your DS2 ill - think there's a 24hr bug going around at the moment as I know a few people who have had it.

IQ sorry to hear about the SPD...there's a couple of really good threads on here with some great advice for dealing with it so worth checking them out!

mscoffee so glad the letter from the consultant was nice, and as you say 2 weeks is pretty good to get an appointment (sorry hadn't realised they'd brought it forward from March). It does sound like a phone call to that secretary would be a good starting point to work out what to do. Re. inference of prognosis from the letter I have no idea really, probably best to wait for the meeting so that you are sure of what they are saying...though I know the wait thus far has been hideous and you just want to know now!!

Right...off to find a mid morning snack and a cup of decaf

Hi all,
I am currently staying at my mums as I have been having problems with my blood sugar and keep having unpredictable hypo's. This has never happened in the 32 years I have been diabetic but is, apparently, quite common when pregnant (insulin is also a hormone and the body goes through phases of it being either over-sensitive or resistant.) As I spent Monday morning semi comatose - think 'drunk' - for a good hour, which was as horrendous as it sounds, I am now staying at my mums as DH is away.
I have been reading the thread to keep my hand in, so to speak, even if I can't post as much.

WElcome to the newbies. I hope you find this thread as supportive as I have. found it massively helpful to discuss things with people who had experienced very similar and could properly relate to it. Also, it will hopefully encourage you to see how many BFP's there are once the WTF cycles have passed and things go back to normal.

The night before last, I was in bed reading and I felt 'something' move - it was a jerky movement, but definately not muscles twitching or wind. I think 'it' is kicking me! Hurrah! I didn't feel it last night, unfortunately, and it's very light so I have to be quite still and concentrate IYSWIM but its definitely there.

misscoffee I really would not read too much into that I think it sounds like a standard bit they would add onto the letter. Good luck and I am glad that they are seeing sooner than you thought.

baby that sounds horrendous, I hope things stabilise for you soon!

manda that seems to be going around at the moment and its nasty, you poort hing

iq SPD sounds awful! My friends was on crutches for it, physio really helped and she had a great birth and recovery if that helps!

Hello to the newbies.

I am feeling a bit glum today, CD5 so a while before we can DO anything positive towards a next pregnancy. My colleague is starting to show and I can barely look her, we used to be close and I am just feeling so jealous of anyone who has straightforward time of TTC and pregnancy. I need to get a grip and I hope its not showing to anyone else. I am scared I am never going to be a parent and will become a lonely old cat woman

Please can someonw give me a slap (gently)

Oh, fall, you won't be a lonely cat woman... everyone knows you become a crazy cat woman! Seriously, you know from us all saying something similar that we've all had those feelings to some degree, more or less. You're not weird. And look at how many of us now sport our bfp/bumps. You WILL get your bfp, now 'they' know how to look after you, you WILL get your bump, and after a beautifully easy ok this bit I might be fluffling a little bit labour, you WILL get your baby to take home. And then the real fun starts! Hang in there.

Baby Good to see you, Lady! Although sorry to hear about the random hypo's - perhaps now you're seeing why the hcp's wanna keep a slightly paranoid closer eye on you? I can imagine it's hitting you quite hard, after being so on top of your condition all your life it's now suddenly out of your control - not a good feeling, especially when it can result in, as you say, coma. So glad you're able to be around someone that can take care of you if necessary and fingers crossed you stabilise very very soon! And YAY for feeling something definite from minisaurus!

ms that line does sound pretty 'standard' to me, too. But seems to imply that IF a genetic issue has cropped up they can plan ahead for that and if it was simply 'bad luck', they will reassure you that you'll be coddled a little more this time around - extra scans and such. The person sending out the letter has no way of seeing your results so the paragraph just covers everything (I can imagine it might have been added after many people calling up ahead of their appointments asking if they would talk about future pregnancies too...). I do think it's worth a call just to inform them you're pregnant again - I highly doubt they will scan you (but, hey, you never know) but it's nice to talk to a patient in possession of all the relevant details, y'know? As for an early scan, I got mine arranged through my GP when I went to tell them I was pregnant at 4 weeks... Well, she actually screwed up the paperwork to the Early Pregnancy Unit so I contacted them direct in the end. Find out if there is an EPU near you (that is to say, there WILL be one but not necessarily at your closest hospital) and check their policy. Some of them are walk-in clinics (lots of waiting unless you get there very early!) and others by self referral appointments (still lots of waiting ime) and others still you must be referred by the GP or Midwife.

So, DS2 stopped throwing up early afternoon thank feck. I am somewhat of an emetophobe so was thanking my lucky stars it started in the morning BEFORE breakfast meaning no actual vomit to speak of after the first bout - just lots of bile. Tmi? Apologies! Anyway, he's perked up. Now hoping nobody else comes down with it especially me but I washed my hands A LOT yesterday

Thanks for the sympathy blue and ladies - have to get onto the MW now so she can put the paper work in for me to be seen at the physio.

baby so sorry your feeling so unwell - what a nightmare for you after being so on top of your care......hopefully this is a 'phase' and things will level out soon so you can get back to the things you normally enjoy. Yay for feeling mini-saurus!! Did think of you two nights ago when discussing the difference between type one and two diabeties (sp?)........he said "bloody hell have you been reading up on it" I replied very proudly "baby on MN told me"!!!

far fully agree with Manda - you're not odd, mean or bad for feeling this way - to me it is all part of it. I fell out with friend who was drinking before 12 weeks in her pregnancy, I wanted to smack her and had to leave so i couldn't see her doing it. DH was a bit as we've always gotten along but i said to him it made me feel like crap as i'd been so careful and still my bean didn't stick, he was very good about all my crying and shouting.

manda glad to hear your little one is back on his feet and here is me crossing my fingers that you don't pick it up!!!

Right suppose I better get back to work........YUK!!!!

xxxx