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Just MC and ready to try again? Pregnant after MC and seeking somewhere safe to hide? Jump in the mosh pit for some serious metalling or settle yourself down in our padded cell. All welcome! (Part 19)

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Poppyjen · 08/12/2011 23:03

Another new thread for some more serious metalling - we really are a chatty lot!

Here's to making it through the WTF cycle(s), metalling* like a teenager from the early '90s in the 2WW, BFP colds and other classic symptom spotting and hiding in the (nice and comfy) padded cell post BFP Grin

If you have miscarried and are ready to TTC again, come and join us!

  • For those currently wondering what our mosh pit antics have to do with ttc post MC, a fabulous typo in an earlier thread resulted in "mentalling" becoming known as "Metalling" - a far more fitting expression I am sure you will agree!

Welcome!

OP posts:
MsEltoeNWhine · 08/01/2012 23:16

Jaffa! Hurray! You're like my loss and TTC twin!! Grin

MsEltoeNWhine · 08/01/2012 23:16

Blimey you have NO CLUE how long that fancy link took me Blush

MarthasHarbour · 09/01/2012 10:23

whoopeee fab news jaffa Grin

long may the BFPs continue! Smile

Kelbells · 09/01/2012 12:10

Whoop whoop for Jaffa!!!! GrinGrinGrin

MissCoffeeNWine · 09/01/2012 12:12

New non-festive name!

You guess will get it, not sure about the rest of MN Grin

MissCoffeeNWine · 09/01/2012 12:12

guys, not guess Hmm

MandaHugNKiss · 09/01/2012 12:35

Woohoo for MsEl (you gonna stay christmassy forever or what? And loving the miniJaffa link however long it took you!) and Jaffa! I too got my bfp very shortly before my due date - was a very confusing time. Mostly I was in denial that I was even pregnant but I made a 'show' of honouring Teddy and we went to the garden centre to buy a peace lily. It was strange, but YES, YES the the thing moomin mentions about how our babies don't exist in the real world but are very much part of our lives - it bought him physically into my life, kinda. I look at the plant many times a day - it's in my line of sight - and mostly I don't think 'that's Teddy's lily' but maybe once every few days I do. And it's so comforting. Perhaps the fact it's a plant, that is living, is also significant. I dunno. But consider doing something similar, marking the day somehow. There's enough denial and secrecy around miscarriage. It's NOT a dirty secret and we shouldn't feel we need to 'forget and move on'. I think it's far healthier to remember and move on.

In a similar vein re: telling people. Of course we're all different. So, newton deciding telling all early is better for you is probably what is better for you - so do it! If moving the goalposts constantly is where you find yourself, that probably best for you, too, pie and so on...

But something that sticks in my mind is I had to attend a family wedding about four weeks after my loss. I found myself worrying that I was going to be asked about the loss/sympathies expressed which I thought would upset me, or it being ignored completely (you soon realise many people are uncomfortable talking about 'it') which I thought might upset me more! Your classic lose/lose situation! So, I went to the GRIP shop, got myself a big one and figured that I CAN'T worry about everyone else's response and how it makes them feel - it might make them uncomfortable and/or sad for while but it was me who was really having to process the thing. If, for whatever reason a person needed to withdraw from me and ignore it, that would be ok. And if someone wanted to be sympathetic that would be ok too. In the event, I had one comment of 'when will you have another' from someone who didn't even know what had happened as I walked DS2 on the lawn (that stung a bit. Wanted to say 'actually... ) and I spontaneously started talking about it to DF's sister whom I was sat next to at the table. Anyone else find that? That you would suddenly blurt about your loss to either strangers, or people you hadn't seen for ages that you bump into in the supermarket... or was that just me? Grin I'm naturally a private person and it took me by surprise that I would suddenly OVERshare!

This time, we haven't told many people at all. I can't even rationalise why, exactly... I am not really consciously thinking something bad will happen, I don't think. Really, just getting through the days. It's working for me.

Wow. Ramble much?

martha, you twit, just snap them in half!

maja Good to hear you're feeling better! Now my fingers are crossed for the upwards and onwards trend to continue.

Well! I'm never, NEVER going to Germany again! never say never, Manda... you know from experience it often bites you on the bottom Our trip was kinda akin to National Lampoons Vacation - the journey which should have been fairly straight forward and take around four/five hours door to door ended up taking ten starting woth the flight delayed for an hour - not so bad, but not great with a toddler in tow (and with a 40 euro fine for us sitting in the wrong seats on one of the german trains - when the conductor told us we were obviously sorry and said we'd move but she was abrubt to the point of rudeness - it is too late you must pay 40 euro. How the heck we were supposed to know we weren't to sit there when we didn't speak German and there were no English signs I don't know.

Then we got to the hotel/themepark resort, finally, and the girls went off in whilst DF and I went to the room had great sex - hightlight of the weekend! got DS2 to sleep and, had a little rest Grin. Then when I was perusing all the booklets on the desk (in german naturally) it appeared that half the park, including ALL the big rides we had specifically bought the girls for being that's what they love, were closed for the winter season. Which was NOT mentioned anywhere on the website. I couldn't bear to tell them until the next day, definitely not when they arrived back to the room (nice, but no mini bar, safe, kettle/coffee machine - in a 4star superior hotel? V. basic) and said 'lots of the rides are closed but that's probably because it's dark and the park is almost due to close...' Argh! I didn't go to the spa as the two nights/park tickets and travel was already costing £1500 and I just didn't want to give them another penny when I felt we'd been swizzed (treatments expensive). The bloody 40 euro fine en route didn't help that feeling! The girls fell asleep by 8pm as we were so shattered - we were up at 4.20am to get there - but DS2 was like a child possessed and wouldn't sleep until gone 11pm (DF took him eventually and walked him in his buggy for an hour around the hotel to get him to sleep whilst we both had multiple thoughts/comments about 'ok it's going wrong, it's cost a fortune, but we can still have a good time, right?) Saturday was bitterly cold, the park was... not good. As I said, exciting stuff non exsistant for the girls, the kiddy rides mostly too old for DS2, we were all tired still and grumpy. Gave up on that come the afternoon and went swimming well, I observed not before buying DF's DD a swimsuit. Most basic, black, 'school' looking onepiece for - tada! - 20 euro. And the pool was tiny, holding their interest for all of ten minutes. It fair tuckered DS2 out though so when we went down to dinner ('only' 27 euro each for a buffet style...) DS2 was a nightmare, screaming and throwing his food everywhere until we took turns to eat in shifts as he was pushed around in his buggy. Then back to room (did I mention only four english channels - news24, bloomberg, gospel channel, fashion channel... and the wifi in the room only worked right by the door... so the laptop we bought to amuse DS2 in a squeeze was useless) where the girls fell asleep again and DS2 was 'trying' for hours. Sunday we had a better time in the park until it was time to leave when we made sure we allowed more time than necessary to get to the airport given what happened on the way... train system seemed to go into meltdown, with delays that caused us to miss connections, caused DS2 to meltdown AGAIN on the train, and then at the airport. It just seemed however chipper we tried to stay, at every turn something else would happen to bring the mood crashing. Still, we did all manage to laugh about it... but it says a lot when you come home and the only positive thing you can think of is 'well, at least none if us got ill...' Hmm

Considering writing to the hotel to complain about how we had no way of knowing the park would be half closed and would never have visited had we known (would have tried whilst there but every staff member we encountered with the british flag on their name tag to indicate they spoke english spoke limited english!)... and to somehow contest the fine on the train by contacting the train company but the whole, draining time has sucked the fight out of me! And what, relistically, will the hotel offer? Some free nights when the park IS open? Could we bear to go back, along with the ridulous amount of travel for something so close? I joked said for around twice the amount of money we spent we could have had a week (or two, depending on deals/time of year) at Disney in Florida!

Anyway. That was, partially, my weekend. There were other instances of rude people, disasters, general disappointment but I shall spare you, I've really rambled and moaned enough!

MandaHugNKiss · 09/01/2012 12:36

Hehe! X post with you Ms - I guess you're not staying christmassy forever!

MarthasHarbour · 09/01/2012 12:58

manda Blush Grin

MarthasHarbour · 09/01/2012 13:07

oh dear god manda what a crap weekend! mind you i would have been like you and tried to laugh my way through it, how were the girls? did they share your warped sense of humour... Grin

its not as if you could all just have a bottle of Wine to raise spirits! i think the train fine is lost but it might be worth contacting the theme park about the rides though, after all it was the main point of the holiday Hmm

anyway thanks for the B100 tip - see my response here ^^

Ladies i need a list of questions for my GP on Wednesday... can they refer me to a fertility clinic after only trying for a year? would my age (39) help? Do they monitor CP's? Am i wasting my time?

Oh and i am already hooked on FF! My temps have risen every day - is that not a bit weird

PieMistress · 09/01/2012 13:57

martha if you are over 35 they should refer you after 6 months, not a year :) I don't know about monitoring CPs but I would umm be embelishing that IYSWIM. Up here, if I'd had one miscarriage and 2 x CPs then I would be looking at recurrent miscarriage testing rather than fertility testing as you've been pregnant 3 times in 12 months so it's maybe not catching the egg but getting it to stick that needs looking at? I would ask your GP about that (plus, here anyway the waiting list is much shorter for recurrent miscarriage testing than fertility testing).

I had a consultation with the fertility clinic (there wasn't the option to go private here otherwise we probably would have done, there is only the NHS - I did manage to get a cancellation though and was thus seen 4 months earlier than I would have been) and we just talked through my cycles and looked at my CD21 and CD3 results (might be worth asking your GP to arrange these whilst you are waiting although not necessarily CD21 for you, it should be 7 days before you normally get AF, oh and getting your thyroid levels checked as it can be quite important when TTC?). They also did a scan of my ovaries and womb to make sure all looked okay! The sonographer told me to go home and SWI that night as I was just about to ovulate (so we did and am wondering if that's what did it as FF had told me I'd already ovulated! Very confusing!!).

It might be worth also asking for advice on what to ask at the GPs on the miscarriage board?

I'm sure the B vitamins will help, is it a complex or just B6 that you are taking? There is also lots of useful info on fertility friends website.

far gave me a full list of all of the blood tests that my GP should be able to do so I went in fully armed! Hopefully she will be along soon to post some advice!

Sorry for my long winded waffle! Just back from a meeting and inbetween starting jobs so thought I'd nip on!

Will reply to all later! XX

farfallarocks · 09/01/2012 14:04

manda Shock
Shock

At least you got a good bonk out of it but I assume you could have got that at home. And no one got ill as you said!!!

When I get asked difficult questions (mind tend to be of the 'when are you two going to get on with it' 'don;t leave it too late' variety as we have no kids) I veer from either making a joke about, oh yes hopefully at some point or blurting it all out in a 'not for want of trying' 'lost two this year actually' way. As you say manda it varies from close friends to total strangers, which can be quite embarassing to be honest but I think the more that can be done to make infertility and MC less of a dirty secret the better.

martha you can definitely be referred after 6 months of trying after 35 to a fertility clinic. I will post a list of investigations at the bottom that I found helpful. It is VERY thorough though and some are not routinely done in the UK but I found it helpful as my GP was totally clueless about all things fertility related and just took my list and used it to order the tests.

jaffa huge congrats to you :)

Tests:

Uterine
Hysteroscopy, HSG etc. to check for scarring, fibroids, polyps etc
Ultrasound to check for PCOS. Thin lining, no triple stripe etc.

Blood tests
Day 3 (LH/FSH)
testoterone, prolatin on day 3
Thyroid panel
Progesterone on 7dpo
Insulin resistance (fasting glucose test)
Thyroid levels (TSH, T3, T4)
Anti Nuclear Antibodies
Anti thyroglobulin
Anti-thyroid antibodies
Full Blood count
BLOOD CLOTTING PANEL (Thrombophilia panel)

Serum Immunoglobulins (IgG, IgM and IgA)
Activated Protein C Resistance
Factor V Leiden genotype
Anti Phospholipid Antibodies
Lupus Anticoagulant
Anti Cardiolipin Antibodies
Plasma Free Protein S level
Factor II G20210A
Prothrombin Gene Mutation
Antithrombin III M
Fibrinogen level
APTT (Activited Partial Thromboplastin Time)
APTR

MTHFR (methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase) and connected with this is measurement of your homocysteine levels (The GP may not be able to do this one)

farfallarocks · 09/01/2012 14:07

Cross posted with pie, the list is above and a lot of them are the same for MC and for infertility although things like the thrombophilia panel are more MC orientated.

With repeat chemical pregnancies, I would defintiely be asking for a scan to check for PCOS and also lining thickness.

MissCoffeeNWine · 09/01/2012 14:30

Manda Shock you poor things. I'd definitely try and get some kind of compensation.

far that's an impressive list.

I have spent the day sitting down as I feel dizzy. I have naturally low blood pressure so I suspect it's plummeting. I know it's a good sign - progesterone and all that - but is there anything I can do about it? I've never had symptoms this early before. Bloated too Blush and ouchy pubic bones Hmm

Means I can forgive far for finding out so early with our POAS pact as I'd have known by now without peeing on anything. Grin

ifrustrated · 09/01/2012 14:40

Hi everyone, looking for a bit of advice and thought this might be a good place.

Had a tfmr 4 weeks, 3 days ago Sad bled heavy for just over 2 weeks then maybe another week of spotting then the bleeding stopped but have had spotting a couple of times.

Bleeding had gone for 2 days solid then last night/this morning I had some fresh red blood again which has since stopped.

Thought to start with it was af but it can't be now that it's gone again.

Am desperate to start ttc again as soon as possible but have no idea what my body is doing with this on/off bleeding.

Was still getting positive tests up till 3 days ago and have no idea if I have ovulated or not since losing the baby (was 15 weeks)

Can anyone explain what may be going on with the bleeding or is it just one of these things?

MarthasHarbour · 09/01/2012 14:42

thank you far and pie i agree that it is recurrent MC testing i need rather than fertility. i shall take note of far's mahoosive list and bombard my GP Smile

Thanks
MarthasHarbour · 09/01/2012 14:45

ifrustrated (what is a tfmr? i presume it is a MC) welcome to the thread but sorry for your reasons to be here. I would say it sounds like the famous WTF cycle i am afraid. The first month you just have to wait it out until the next AF, which could be another month/6wks yet. But if you want to go for the SWI then do it when you stop bleeding. But do take your time, some people do get a BFP a month after a MC which is great but keep an open mind for now Smile

HTH

Angelgirl79 · 09/01/2012 14:51

Hi all, been looking for an active thread to join. I mc in June and my due date is today. No one else remembers and my DH is working away. I too really wanted to be pregnant by the time today came around but sadly am not. Just looking for people to share with who understand how I feel and why Im longing to be pregnant again. xx

ifrustrated · 09/01/2012 14:58

Marta I had a termination for medical reasons (tfmr) am torn between still hurting over what happened and needing to be pregnant again ASAP

I know it will happen sometime so trying to keep a calm head but I'm a bit of a control freak and would like to actual know when it may be possible to fall pg, then if that fails I can look forward to the next month.

Every so often I am cramping then bleeding and I think that af is arriving then it all stops again, also thought my positive test meant I was pregnant already but now they are negotiate so obv just hormones left over from before Sad

BlueCrane · 09/01/2012 15:25

Afternoon all, just a quick post as I need to get on with my work but just wanted to respond to a few of you...

Firstly manda so Angry about your weekend away - how frustrating for you all!! I would definitely pursue the hotel/theme park for incorrect advertising.

marthas go girl with that huuuge list from far your GP won't know quite what's happened but great to be able to go in well informed about what you'd like/need to get out of the appointment

misscoffee sounds as though a trip to the docs to register your bfp and get your BP checked out might be a good idea - i know you didn't want to go in so soon but you don't want to be passing out!!

ifrustrated I don't know much about how your body reacts after a tfmr but it sounds likely that you could be having a bit of a crazy cycle as marthas suggested and that it will just take a while to settle down. Hope it sorts soon though!

angel so glad you felt you could come and post here today. I'm so sorry you have got to this point without another bfp and that others haven't remembered the significance of the day Sad Some on here have bought a plant, released a balloon or similar to mark the EDD of their lost one. But for the most part have some from us all here!!

Right...must get back to work! Catch up again later!

MarthasHarbour · 09/01/2012 15:38

Big hugs to angel too. Only me and DH (and my best friend Smile) remembered my 'significant date' last Oct. But these ladies on here were ready with the hugs and obligatory chocolate. Perhaps blue can bake you a cake, she is rather generous with the afternoon (and morning and evening) treats!

But seriously, stay with us - i dont know how i would have got through it without this thread. DH actually said he wishes he had a thread for DH's Sad although-there is no way i am pointing him to dadsnet as i dont want him noseying on this thread!

ifrustrated Sad my cousin had a TFMR and went on to have two happy healthy little girls within the next three years. Her heart still aches for her lost LO though so big hugs.

Angelgirl79 · 09/01/2012 15:41

Thanks Blue Crane, just to post and have people understand helps, im struggling in work today. Thanks for the hugs x

Angelgirl79 · 09/01/2012 15:43

Thanks Martha, its nice to find a home if that makes sense x

BlueCrane · 09/01/2012 15:46

Ok, ok marthas I shall see what cakes are available in the bluecrane pantry...right, let's see

Angelgirl79 · 09/01/2012 15:56

cake is always good, thanks ladies for making me smile :)

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