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Just MC and ready to try again? Pregnant after MC and seeking somewhere safe to hide? Jump in the mosh pit for some serious metalling or settle yourself down in our padded cell. All welcome! (Part 19)

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Poppyjen · 08/12/2011 23:03

Another new thread for some more serious metalling - we really are a chatty lot!

Here's to making it through the WTF cycle(s), metalling* like a teenager from the early '90s in the 2WW, BFP colds and other classic symptom spotting and hiding in the (nice and comfy) padded cell post BFP Grin

If you have miscarried and are ready to TTC again, come and join us!

  • For those currently wondering what our mosh pit antics have to do with ttc post MC, a fabulous typo in an earlier thread resulted in "mentalling" becoming known as "Metalling" - a far more fitting expression I am sure you will agree!

Welcome!

OP posts:
maja15 · 02/01/2012 12:31

Congrats atlas ! What a lovely way to start the new year!!!

MsEltoeNWhine · 02/01/2012 13:20

Congrats atlast!

Any news martha?

BlueCrane · 02/01/2012 14:50

Lots of excitement here today Grin Congrats atlast and glad the tiredness/symptoms are kicking in Pie. Poppy you must be rattling with all those tabs but they seem to be doing the trick which is great!

I am starting to metal (again!) as have my next scan tomorrow...will be 19 weeks so it's anomally checking etc! We don't want to find out the gender yet though so hoping they can do all the checks they need without us seeing that area IYSWIM! Partly looking forward to it and partly terrified!! Am sure I've been feeling beany practcing his/her football skills a bit this last week though so hopefully all is well in there.

marthas how are you doing?

maja did you book your flights? We booked a trip to NYC for a wedding and then a few weeks later got this bfp...but I knew that if we didn't book the trip and I didn't get a bfp then I'd be so gutted we weren't going! As it was I was 11 weeks and felt sooo sick and tired but we still managed to have a good time even if it did rather eat into our savings for my time off with LO Blush

Wonder how baby is doing? really hope you're ok, especially with your Sad news with your Grandad just before Christmas

Also, before I forget...big welcome to the newbies...so so sorry you're having to join us but this is a truly fab set of ladies who have been such a great support over the last few months! Hope you're doing ok?

maja15 · 02/01/2012 15:24

Blue Aw, scan tomorrow!!! Sure everything will be ok, specially if you've been feeling the little bub having his/her own nye party in there! Let us know how it goes!

The wedding is in Chicago at the end of October. I've never been to NYC so was thinking that the best would be to make a 10 day holiday of it, go to NYC and then fly to Chicago for the actual wedding. Obviously, I want to be as pg as possible :o by then but I have decided I can't stop my life until I get a BFP and making exciting plans is just what I need and there is no harm in tempting fate a bit either

Also, am I the only one finding that, while pregnant, I saved loads of money? All that pub, booze, party money I wasn't spending did add up. Whooops!

JaffaSnaffle · 02/01/2012 20:38

Blue good luck with the scan tomorrow.

Atlastadragon congratulations!

Kelbells, welcome to the thread. So sorry to hear about your loss.

MsEltoe, sorry about your pain, I really hope the docs can help you. Also that you do not have a lot of trouble getting hold of your results.

Hello to all other ladies on here, sorry not to name check, just popping on. This is a busy thread!

Really hoping that the wave of bfp on here will encompass me at the end of the week. Somehow, I think it won't but I did manage to resist POAS today, 8DPO.

vix82 · 02/01/2012 20:40

Hiya everyone I'm new to all this, I'm a mum of one 2 year old. I had a mc in june. When I took my pregnancy test in june it came up with 2 lines but it was a faint line. I'm pregnant again and all my tests come back with faint lines. I'm terrified its telling me its not right again. Anyone else experienced this?
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MarthasHarbour · 02/01/2012 20:54

Ladies

Apologies in advance for the lack of name checking, i am back at work tomos so will get a chance to catch up with you all properly!

Afraid i have a me me me post. The spotting was good news, i relented this afternoon and did a Sainsbury's digital test and got a BFP. However, 2 hours later i got some spotting, and now i have a little red blood Sad I am wearing a pad and it looks like the onset of AF

WTF does this mean??? I thought this arvo's spotting was a bit of implantation but as i say it is now red. Confused This is almost exactly what happened to me in August. DH is devastated, it has been a complete rollercoaster today. I am either CD26/1 or 3+5

I just want to know either way, it just goes to show how naive we were when i got preggy with DS, we were on the phone to my mum at this point!

BlueCrane · 02/01/2012 21:10

Oh marthas that really is so so tough for you both!! Can't believe this could be happenning again!!! I guess the only thing you can do at the moment is wait, but that's just hideous, really feel for you and am hope hope hoping that this bean sticks for you and that your body is just playing horrid games with you at the moment...

Welcome vix what are your stats at the moment...ie what cycle day are you? have you tried a digi test (one that shows the 'weeks since conception'?) If you're worried i don't know whether you might be able to convince your Docs or EPU to do a blood test tomorrow/next few days and then again next week to check that the hormones are multiplying at the right rate?

Kelbells · 02/01/2012 23:07

Hi Ladies,

Thanks for all the welcomes, am feeling very up today - Got out of the house for some serious walking on the beach which really helped I think, kick started the proper eating with food I can identify from a vegetable garden/farmyard again after 3 weeks of lard and sugar and unspeakable things and got some SWI in... Happy days!

Martha My heart goes out to you, I really hope that it's not happening again. When I had implantation bleeding before, it really was a bleed and I thought AF had come early... I will keep everything crossed for you xxxx

Vix Agree with Blue, how many days PO are you? It's horrible just having to wait it out but hope you get a darker line or a digi confirmation x

Maja It's good to hear that you've got such similar worries to me (although that's a very odd thing to say as I'd never wish this on anyone :) ). We're also on the DTD as much as possible just in case the cycle's haywire for a while! I know another pregnancy won't take away the loss of this little one but a BFP would definitely help in the healing process! But there seems to be a lot on hear, so let's hope it's a lucky one :)

Floss Awesome to hear that you've conceived again so soon! It gives me a huge amount of hope and make me reach for DH instead of the icecream tonight!

Newton and Maja - I love the style.... Tricking sod and his law into thinking he's got one on you!

Kelbells · 02/01/2012 23:10

Martha Sorry I just reread that and it sounds wrong.... My implantation bleeding last time was a lot more substantial than the spotting that I'd read about and I then got my BFP! xx

InsomniaQueen · 03/01/2012 10:01

Morning all and happy new year - i've been reading but not had time to post! Just wanted to send hugs to martha's. I haven't even got a clue where to start, it is just so shitty it is unreal!!! I really hope that the nothing comes of the bleeding. Hugs and kisses from casa iq xxxx

InsomniaQueen · 03/01/2012 10:09

Ohhhh must say a big welcome to the new ladies - hope you are making yourselves at home here. This is a great place for support, metalling and angry venting so feel free to come to us no matter what it is!!!

mseltoe how are you getting on?? Hopefully there has been some improvement!!

baby just sending you some Thanks just to let you know were all thinking of you. Hope things with the little one are also well.

blue really hope everything goes brilliantly today for you at your scan......we shall all be waiting to hear from you!!!

Right must get back to work as I really should be getting on with things. Big wave to everyone else and sorry not to name check all.......the boss is due in any minute!!

Love to all xxxxx

MarthasHarbour · 03/01/2012 10:52

Thank you everyone, it really does mean a lot to have this support. I dont know any of you but you are all just marvellous Smile

Well the bleeding is still going on, and was quite heavy this morning. Kel i am taking heart from your implantation bleed experience and keeping fingers crossed so thank you. Although deep down i know it is gone Sad I have a smear test booked next week (deliberately timed just in case i got PG and could cancel) so will do another test at the weekend to confirm BFN, then i will have a word with the nurse to see what she thinks. This is my second CP in six months following the 'big' MC in March last year. I am 39 this month, so think that a chat with the nurse then GP is in order.

Also - i usually glaze over when you all talk about alternative remedies and temping (sorry! Blush ) but have decided that i am going to temp this month. Soooo i will get onto Fertility Friend tonight and need your expert guidance - do i temp at the same time each day? Is it just the usual digi thermometers etc I got spotting yesterday but proper bleeding today so do i count today or yesterday as CD1?

Finally i have decided that i am no longer going to test until AF is late. We need to hold our nerve as yesterday was heartbreaking.

Right popping back in a min with a catch up on you all as i have been rather selfish and neglectful of late!

PieMistress · 03/01/2012 11:03

martha am so so sorry to hear the bleeding has continued :( :( Fingers crossed it really it just a heavy implantation bleed xx

WRT temping, you need to temp at roughly the same time each morning after 3hrs consecutive sleep. I used a normal digi thermometer (one decimal place) for a few months then got a special one to 2 decimal places from Amazon (about £4). Today would be CD1 as it's the first day of proper bleeding. You can put loads of info into FF, it's great!

Hopefully far will be along soon as i'm sure she had issues with implantation (if I remember rightly?!!) and had some tests done and has now been advised to take something (can't remember what) to try and help. There is also a recurrent miscarriage thread that people post on so far might have put something useful on there xx

I would also recommend the B vits which poppy and I started taking on manda's advice. I was taking 50mg of B6 in addition to the B vits in my conception vits and poppy was taking a 100mg B Vitamin complex (I think?) I really do believe they helped me get pregnant and am still taking them.

Thinking of you today and keeping everything crossed the bean sticks xxx

MarthasHarbour · 03/01/2012 11:07

OK here I am back again!

IQ thanks again for your Smile Hope work is better for you now, not that you have that long to go. I do believe that you will be our first ?graduate? ooo so exciting!!

Blue Again thank you for your support ?and-chocolate-- I shall be back on later for your scan update. Very excited for you seeing your bouncing bean Grin

Baby how are you getting on? I know Christmas would be bittersweet for you this year but think of the little bean who will have your grandad?s genes Smile

Kel thanks again. I didn?t get a chance to welcome you properly. Sorry you are here with us but we are a fab supportive bunch. This lot have seen me through 3 failed pregnancies this year and I love them all! Yay to beach walking and SWI!!

vix welcome ? again it is crappy that you are here but we will support you. However things may be ok with you ? you never know so massive FX. Oh and I am a mamma of a 2 year old too, I have a DS ? do you have a DS or DD?

Jaffa are you holding on? STEP AWAY FROM THE PEE STICKS! I don?t want to bring you down but my experience over the last 24 hours has told me to wait wait wait!!

maja I am not jealous ?at all? that you are going to NYC Envy I went there 5 years ago and loved it! And yes, when I was preggy with DS I managed to save loadsa money. It was the booze mainly, but also I cut back on morning latte?s (with the odd decaff thrown in) and took my own lunches into work. However when I was on mat leave I managed to save even more as I didn?t have commuting fares and shopping temptation nearby. Wink

atlast congratulations!!! All these BFP?s are strangely keeping me going ? I am v competitive don?t you know Wink

poppy yayyy to sore boobies!! Grin

Waves to pie Newton manda millonthefloss mseltoe wellies crystaltea and everyone else I may have forgotten Blush

MarthasHarbour · 03/01/2012 11:09

Awwww pie thank you so much for that advice. I will also hunt out the recurrent MC thread later on. OK so i will start temping tomorrow morning and set myself up on FF tonight.

You are all bloody brilliant! Smile

PieMistress · 03/01/2012 11:37

PS - Acupuncture really helped me but I had problems with irregular ovulation and my body/cycles taking ages to get back to normal after the MC. I did find it really helped and I do believe in chinese medicine as a worthwhile alternative therapy xx

BlueCrane · 03/01/2012 11:59

Oh marthas well done for starting to look at ways to track things your cycle a bit more (I never did get into temping etc but was getting v close to giving it a go) and, yes, definitely worth seeing the doc if this one hasn't stuck! I know it sounds awful and in some ways I'm sure you'd prefer to be thinking this was 'just a normal AF' without the heartache of yesterday and the ongoing wondering but it does mean that if it's not working then you can go and demand some attention from the docs etc to find out what's not working. Hope that didn't sound too 'clinical'.

Scan not until 4pm, had terrible night's sleep - not thinking about it specifically but am sure it was the underlying stress keeping me awake but I'm not back to work until tomorrow so am keeping myself busy making two big pots of winter veg soup (one winter veg and bacon, one leek potato and bacon) so that I can take portions to work and hopefully spend less money in the work canteen than I was before Christmas and get some more of my 5 a day (been a bit of a chocolate fiend over Christmas Blush ). Promise to update you all this evening after the scan!

MandaHugNKiss · 03/01/2012 12:23

martha for you. There is the possibility that implantation bleeding can be 'period' heavy and not the spotting you mostly read about in articles... but that said, it could very well be another cp.

And I understand how heartbreaking it must be to get a bfp followed immediately by bleeding/loss but the thing is, how would a doctor get the sense that you need any testing done for reoccurant loss if you hadn't tested? Y'know, to go to a doctor and vaguely say 'wellllll, I think I may have been pregnant, but I came on on time' is quite different from 'following my mc, I have twice now gotten a bfp followed shortly by bleeding and bfn'. I suppose you've reached the three losses before testing threshold but none the less it may be more informative for the doctor doing your testing to know for sure you're having lots of very early losses (and looking for solutions in that direction) rather than maybe suspecting or not knowing at all. Despite how it feels in the short term, think about, on balance, how it may build a more accurate picture of what is happening if you do know rather than not.

Well, you know yourself better than I, and whether this is something you can do and I don't wanna bully be pushy but have a think about it?

Now! Wrt to supplements, yes, I would advise anyone ttc to take B100 - even if someone has NO issues, it has been proven to improve egg quality in ivf and, seriously, who doesn't want their egg to be in the best shape it can be? For the sake of a vitamin pill a day (admitedly, quite a big one) it's a little bit of a no brainer, right?

THe next thing I'm gonna say, I caveat by pointing out that I don't know as much as about this as I do other things I happily advise on... but it's regarding baby aspirin (ie, low dose). I've read of women who have reoccurant very early loss, having a battery of tests done that find nothing, and then the doctors suggesting they take baby aspirin as they're not sure exactly about the mechanism as to how it helps, but it can't hurt... and then these women hang onto the next pregnancy. As most people now realise, aspirin is a blood thinner, so perhaps the science of it is it works in a much milder way than the heparin women with 'proper' blood clotting issues have to take and improves the blood flow to the uterus, in turn making it more likely to help if there is a small, almost undetectable glitch going on with implanation. Again, I don't know an awful lot about it (did a little reading when my step sister was advised to take it, although she took until the end rather than just conception/first tri (she was 39 too!) as she developed GD and was prone to PE and somehow the low dose aspirin seems to help those conditions too). Perhaps have a little fish about on here/elsewhere - there are bound to be some good news stories and I suspect other reports of doctors saying 'it can't hurt'. And if it can't hurt, and anecdotally has helped others in your shoes...why not?

Lastly, I'm not entirely sure temping is for you. That is to say, I bloody love it; but I'm a control freak! It seems at the moment, you don't really have an issue catching the egg... which temping really helps you pinpoint. You're pretty sure of your cycle and when you ov... Many women find temping a real faff, even stressful, and that's not going to help you any. By all eans I'll happily spout temping advice and stalk your chart if you wanna give it a go anyway but... yeah, DO NOT let it stress you out. Counter productive!

MandaHugNKiss · 03/01/2012 12:34

Heh, x posts with blue - we seem to be thinking along the same lines! The weather is shocking, isn't it? I'm tempted to come and get some of that soup and bread for real! Actually... DF is out walking the dog so I'll get him to come home via Pret and grab me some of theirs along with a yummy bagette or (and? Grin) sandwiche...

Will be thinking of you at 4pm. I'm sure it's all fine and dandy! Mines tomorrow... as you say, not so much consciously there, being worried about, but just...there. Looking forward to your update later!

MarthasHarbour · 03/01/2012 12:40

manda and blue thank you for the mahoosive posts of advice. You have basically both said what i have been thinking:

Temping - well yes, i know how to 'catch' the egg but cant work out how to make it stick. So may give it a go this month but not dwell too much on it.

Baby Aspirin - funnily enough i have just been reading about that on good old google. I am seriously considering giving it a go during the 2WW. Maybe just one dose a day (DH not keen as he worries about my liver but surely just for two weeks a month it cant harm...)

Supplements: I will give B100 a go. Is it MHRA tested? I worry about these things as i used to work for them and know a lot of horror stories about Chinese Alternatives (Sorry Pie Blush)

And the issue about doing the test - well yes DH said the same thing, he thinks i should continue testing certainly when AF due as it is another 'statistic' for the Dox to work upon. He wants me to slightly exaggerate the truth (WRT the date i tested - just by a few days) to get them to take me more seriously. I am going to talk to the nurse next week, i also need to jog my memory as to the nice Dr i saw when i had my first MC - cant remember if she is one or the other and the nurse will help me out with that - then i will book in to see her.

I am taking positive action here - PMA all the way!! dying-inside-though Confused

thanks for the chocolates blue and do let us know how your scan goes - remember i did say that hearing good scan/BFP news really keeps me going Smile

MarthasHarbour · 03/01/2012 12:41

i did giggle at the Manda/Blue xpost!!

MandaHugNKiss · 03/01/2012 13:07

B100 is nothing more than high dose b vitamins... And I'm sure MHRA will have had a hand in establishing the safe upper limits that can be sold for food supplementation.

I guess it's reassuring to remember that as they are water soluable unless so you were massively overdosed on them (which is not the same as high dose - when I was looking into starting taking it myself I believe 'overdose' symptoms started for some people at the 200-250 mark rather than 100 (tingling of their hands/extremeties) that stopped as soon as they stopped taking the extreme doses) anything you're not making use of gets flushed away. Hence, you must expect neon yellow pee Grin It does most of it's work for the egg in the follicular part of your cycle (so start CD1 or close there to) but entirely safe to take throughout the whole cycle (and indeed many women report it improves their skin, hair, nails and, strangely, mood - it seems to have stress-busting properties at higher doses for many people).

I linked for someone else up apge - holland and barrat have the 50 tabs of B100 at half price (but not the tubs of 100 tabs so it's better value to buy less or multiples thereof, bizarrely).

And, yeah, jeez, I wouldn't say to you cut out all alcohol when ttc (that would probably raise stress levels which, again, are counter productive) but giving your liver a little bit of a rest might be no bad thing! Hey, it is the 'detox' season after all - all that xmas excess to flush away - so it's not like you'd stand out like a sore thumb as being 'different' for this month, at least.

More hugs for you. And DH. He sounds like a bloody sweetheart and I'm so happy you're both on the same page with this and supporting each other.

InsomniaQueen · 03/01/2012 13:13

Just a quick one to second the ladies on the baby asprin and demanding to be seen by a health care professional. I didnt actually temp but i did a basic chart, which i found really helpful. Just a basic word doc with the date, cycle day and symptoms. That way i got a good idea of my cycle and could see what was 'normal' for me.

In terms of the aspirins, my good friend who is 40 had 3 MMC's all between 6 and 8 weeks. She was advised by her nurse to start taking aspirin. She got a BFP and is currently 25 weeks, not sure if she is still taking the aspirin but she definitely took it up to 12 weeks.

You are doing just fine - dying insode is probably exactly how any of us would feel at the moment. It is a heartbreaking rollercoaster - when you feel like you've done it and it's almost like someone has stolen something from you!!! But you are right you have a very good plan and im sure between all the ladies here you will get help and advice on all the areas that you want to tackle.

Just know that were all thinking of you and are 100% ready to help in whatever way we can!!! xxxxx

MandaHugNKiss · 03/01/2012 13:17

Oh, I forgot to mention, I'm going to Germany on Friday morning!

I suppose, now I have a bump and I'm feeling movement, that I'm admitting to myself it's working out this time... and my thoughts are turning to how wrapped up I get in my newborns and wanted to do something fun for the other kids whilst I can still travel comfortably... Well, DD(16) takes after me and is a rollercoaster/extreme ride freak, and DF's DD(14) also loves them so, on a whim at the weekend I thought 'right, we'll take them somewhere themepark-y that will also cater for DS2' (and is open given the time of year) and found Europa Park near the Black Forest. Of course, I won't be able to enjoy the rides which I'm a bit Sad about but there is a spa at the hotel... Grin Innyhoo, I'll be gone from Friday morning until sunday night so don't worry about my radio silence, is all Grin

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