TTC for 10+ months, part 4

[eurochick]

Time for a new thread as the other one is just about full.

Fingers crossed for lots of patiently-awaited BFPs on this one!

A-ha... just posted a monster ramble on the last thread - which took me so long to write I missed your new thread message euro.

Thank you for starting a new one. Here, here - fingers crossed for BFPs all round

Marking my place on the new thread... thanks for making it euro.

There's been a few posts on the old thread since your new thread post.. hopefully they'll find their way over.

Marking my place xx

Aw, thread number 4. I love that we talk so much! May this thread and all who sails upon it be blessed with two lines on a stick. Very soon.

I'm v tired today and nauseous. If I didn't know I'd had glandular fever and wasn't on my period, I'd swear I was pregnant! My urge to test whilst on my period is ridiculous and has to be firmly ignored. I met up with a very very pregnant friend today. She was scared. And I was fine. I didn't really envy her the birth part. But I saw the baby move its foot and felt all mushy. One day, it will be my turn (and all of our turns).

I say grr and pah to the latest celebrity pregnant news. If only to have the cash to be able to go to ivf after two TWO months of trying!! I know maybe tests had indicated that was the way to go. But still, get charting and using preseed like the rest of us! Not sure jumping into ivf that fast would ever be advised? But lucky them, they got pregnant straight away. I wonder if they'll still be together when it's born? That sounded mean. But it does make me

Yesterday someone who knew I was trying ages ago did some digging and looking at my tummy. I said we were still trying. She said oh, well, I've lots of friends who've adopted. Really? Lots of friends? I drove home and felt the wind blow through my tumblewomb. I wonder how common it is for adoption to be the ending to the story?

Sorry I've not name dropped very much today, my brain is all of a fuzz. But happy being married Stasi and loves to everyone else x

All our turns for a BFP will come one way or another!

Hello lovelies on this shiny new thread. Thanks for starting euro. I can definitely feel a bumper crop of long-awaited bfp's on their way soon! X x

Thanks for our lovely new thread euro. Part 4 feels lucky

wine, your post made me smile even though there is nothing funny about tumblewomb. I'm sorry you feel sick though. It's funny but I haven't been feeling myself for the last few days and I did think it was like pregnancy symptoms, but then I remembered that I'd just finished AF.

gin My DH had a count of 1.9 mil per mil for his first SA. And morphology of only 1%. This was bad enough for my gynae (I'm not in the UK) to refer him to a urologist. The reason for the urologist is to see if they can identify a cause for the poor sperm. I didn't go with him because he wanted to go on his own, I think because he felt funny about me being there while he was being examined and also it was hard for me to get out of work at the time of his appointment. The urologist gave him an ultrasound and also did a manual exam including of the prostate (so you might want to warn your DH that this might happen). He said it wasn't painful but was a bit uncomfortable. Then he had a blood test taken to check his hormones. The urologist concluded that DH's poor count was caused by an operation he had when he was 3 (the Dr could feel the scar and also couldn't see something he would have expected to see on the scan so thinks it was damaged during the op). DH had no idea about this before. He also had to do another SA, this has to be done at least a month later than the first because it is possible that the first one is just a rogue result. The second SA was better, a count of almost 7 mil but still only 1% morphology. At this point the urologist and subsequently my gynae concluded that IVF with ICSI is our best option. If your DH's results are not significantly different then be prepared that this is what might be proposed. My gynae said that with DH's results a natural BFP is possible but it's a bit like winning the lottery. Sorry, I don't mean to sound pessimistic and you might find that your DH's second SA is fine. Also, some things can be fixed, for example if there is a hormone imbalance. Before the appointment it might be worth your DH thinking about his history and whether he has had any illness or injury that might have caused damage. DH has been told to take a good vitamin supplement to improve the morphology, Vit A, zinc, C, D, folic acid, selenium are all important. Stopping smoking and limiting alcohol too can have a big effect. I think that's everything I know, do ask away if you have any other questions. I was in total shock and turmoil for several weeks after getting DH's results but I feel much better several months on although still no BFP.

Hi everyone,

Im still here. Still on my mammoth cycle so dont have anything to . Its so annoying. Im on cd 60 something! I just read these days as i have nothing to say cos of neverending cycle!!!

Hope everyone else is well.

Oh and Well done munki!!

And welcome to Gin if she finds her way over

Oops, meant to post on here but managed to post on the old thread! Must still be getting the hang of this mumsnet lark/drank too much gin!

mrsden thank you so much for your message. It's so great to be able to talk to someone who's going through it and I shall warn DH about the prodding. I'm pretty resigned to IVF, although boo to the cost (not sure how we'll afford it) and secretly hoping for that miracle natural BFP. Think DH might be a bit more in denial than I am, so trying to put on a brave face for him, well at least until I get pmt and turn into a mad, weeping woman, convinced we'll never have kids! He has cut down alcohol and caffine, although I don't know how much impact this will have with such poor results and feel sorry for him denying himself such pleasures (although if we ever get pregnant, I'll have 9 months of it!) Have you been looking at IVF clinics? Is it any cheaper where you are?

Anyway enough about me! Sorry to hear about never ending cycles and tumblewomb thoughts. Wishing you all lots of good luck on the shiny new thread!

Ah found you all. Hello gin - sorry you have had to join us but you'll find a great outlet , away from super fertile friends!
Hurrah mrs Stasi , hope you had a fab wedding and honeymoon.

Just seen that Chantelle thing on the DM. Sorry but those two deserve each other- not the brightest cucumbers in the cabbage patch are they. I hate people who court publicity and make careers by doing nothing. Am also very cynical as she was saying she was infertile when she was pregnant!! Zzz. Double cynicism as well because I don't think their relationship will last - they were trying for a baby on the night they met. What happened to getting to know each other- you would think they would have both learnt from previous mistakes. Now I have got that off my chest

Ii have been Zumba dancing tonight and it is so much fun. I am very malcordinated and have no rythm or timing but it's basically a bit like clubbing in a gym and with no alcohol. Will do it every week now and so I can avoid jogging.
Also after my Meltdown a few months ago with injecting myself, I have totally got my head round it and can easily do it. In fact I prefer it if I do rather than DH. Weird how what seemed liked the impossible is now no problem.

Hi everyone else. euro - are you still waiting for AF?

Af just arrived. Just as I was starting to let myself feel a little hopeful. Meh. On the bright side, I was only 30 mins away from a 14 day luteal phase which is something my acupuncturist has been aiming for so I guess the needles and snake oil must be doing something- it was 11 days when I started seeing her 7 months ago.

Hi everyone. Would you mind a newcomer? At the of this cycle (the weekend) we would have been TTCing for a year. I never thought it would be this hard. Being 29 I was a bit naive thinking my DH would get a bfp in the first cycle. Its been about eight years since I've been on birth control, but I am hypothyroid so keep trying to get the gp to consider that but she doesn't know much about the thyroid. I know I have time left but always wanted three or four kids and now get myself so worked up thinking I won't be able to even have one.

Okay talking too much. Wish you all the best.

Euro - I am sorrry about AF. A 14 day LP is great but i can see how that would mess with your head when you are use to an 11 day one. How often do you go to Acupuncture?

Hi Soldiers - so sorry you are here. There is definitely a link with being hypothyroid and conceiving. Do you know what your TSH reference levels are? I was speaking to someone else on another thread and she was saying that new research has shown that levels should be under 2 for conceiving. Yet the reference levels on the nhs are 0.27 - 4.20. It?s quite easy to rectify though isn?t it - Are you on medication and Have you had any other bloods done?

Morning all!

Lovely new thread euro. To many BFPs and happy times for all of us

And it is called after 10 months (rather than forever), so new-ish long term TTC-ers feel welcome, eggandtoast. So be very welcome. If you are hypothyroid, you might want to get yourself to your GP to be referred to a specialist (not sure of the exact name) to get your thryroid sorted properly. A close friend of mine discovered she was the same after about 6 months of TTC (by chance) and she got put on meds and conceived the very next month. It is something solvable than can have a massive effect on fertility! So maybe you're stay on this thread will be very short :)

Also welcome to gin, all the advice from mrsd should be very helpful. I know little about SA, except that my DH's seemed "normal enough" to the fertiliy specialist. But since our BFP is still elusive, this may be wrong. Well. We'll go back in Feb, and enjoy ourselves with our childless and non-pg friends until then. (Although they are dwindling, two more announcements last night ).

Cannot believe so many of us are hurtling towards IVF. Our planned start for that would be next summer, with some practice injecting during IUI beforehand. Massive well done for self-injection joycep. It is odd how your boundaries/abilities/expectations change, isn't it? Well done on the exercise front as well! I have been flagging a bit, also because I convinced myself that swimming in chlorinated water would be a good way to kill any swimmers in there... Tell me now that if this was an effective method of contraception, I would have known about it, and I should stop being stupid.

GRRR for AF euro although well done for the 14 day luteal phase (I reckon it counts, even if it is out by 30mins!) Waves at stasi and cakes. Sorry you are feeling so rotten, wine. And the desire to test during AF is sooooo familiar. It is a classic AF sign for me.

Welcome eggs sorry to hear of your troubles but glad you are joining us.

euro sorry about af but good news on the LP. I've also found acu is making my cycles more 'ideal' - last one was 29 days with ov on day 14.

Another pg announcement this morning. Seriously, 1 in 6 couples are supposed to have difficulty conceiving-where are they all?!

Joyce zumba sounds great and v well done on the jabs, very encouraging and just goes to show how you can get used to things.

Hi to everyone else sorry not doing full run down as on phone! X

Oh and infertile celebs don't count when they go for IVF within two months. But remember the mantra - I (really really really) don't want their baby.

X post lemons sorry the pg announcements got you too. They are literally coming on by the day now and I can pretty much count my non-pg friends on one hand. Got a wedding this weekend and am expecting at least one more. Doing a lot of deep breathing and fake smiles at the moment :(

kitty they are here! And to be fair two of my currently pg (RL) friends had trouble TTC (1 hypothyroid - see above, 1 no ovulation - needed hormones for about 8months for her BFP).

Oh and one friend who has a little boy now took 2 yrs and 5 mc to get pregnant with the little sticky one; it took them 35 months from deciding to TTC to health birth, even if she got pg quite easily, the first 4 times or so).

Fake smiles R me! (Although really dreading the visit from the PIL over the weekend, who will be delighted their first grandchild is on its way :( )

Forgive my ignorance but I thought a luteal phase of 11+ was considered acceptable?

Zumba is great fun!! If you fancy getting fit but doing it at home Wii Fit and Wii Zumba is pretty good

Waves at everyone

What have I done since my last post? Counted up the number of pgs and parents on fb, compared to the no kids and I-have-no-ideas (the latter, I should admit to not being friends with any longer, perhaps?) The score is
20 I haven't got a clue
93 no kids, not pg (or not announced)
14 pg
53 parents
I exclude my aunts and stuff, but included my extremely fertile siblings. I also excluded DH. Can someone tell me to get on with some work/my life? Please!

lemons I am going to do that later and will report back with my stats! I have fewer FB friends than you :)

Tssssssss, you were supposed to tell me to stop it, kitty. Now I'll have to tell you my exact methods . I decided that those with children and pg again were in the parents category; men who's partner was pg in the pg category, because both partners of no-children-(yet)-couples were no kids. If you do play this game (don't do it!!) report back on the exact allocation criteria!

Also, I am not friends with most of my DH's friends, so they are excluded (even if one of yesterdays pg announcements was from "his side"). I need to get a life. Or a decent coffee with cake. Maybe I'll opt for the latter

PS I hope I am not scaring the newbies away. I am just having Crap November (cycle 17, now 12 days in, and already three pg announcements and an imminent birth, perhaps I should stop being bitter and focus on SWI. I even considered getting the Evil Ovulation tests out again in my frustration, just to produce a second line).

PS cakes acceptable definitely, acupuncture tries to go for optimal, I think. Although I have not been yet, so wouldn't know. But have a 13/14 day LP in any case. But monster-clots, which apparently they can do something about too.

Right-I've done it. Criteria-I have included everyone on my friends list, majority of which are in our age group. I have counted partners of pg ladies as pregnant. Results are as follows: no clue 10 people (9%) pregnant 12 people (10%) parents 33 people 29%. Not preg/not parents 58 people 52%.

So overall the majority of people are not pg or parents. Which makes me sound like I'm moaning about everyone being pregnant (which I am!!) but I think if ichanged the criteria to people that i actually see in RL the proportions would be more weighted towards preg people and parents.

Right-I am going back to work now and going to stop obsessing-lemons I blame you for this! :)