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TTC for 10+ months, part 4

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eurochick · 15/11/2011 15:43

Time for a new thread as the other one is just about full.

Fingers crossed for lots of patiently-awaited BFPs on this one!

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Karbea · 16/11/2011 15:47

Umm I wonder if I should be worried about my lack of flow?

Hi Fatima

Err was going to say something else but I forget now...

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 16/11/2011 15:49

I don't think so karbea. Did they have a look at your lining with the dildo-cam, roughly in the middle of your cycle? I reckon that is when it matters, so if that is okay, I would not panic, in any case!

Karbea · 16/11/2011 16:01

I'm yet to have the pleasure of dildo-cam.

eurochick · 16/11/2011 16:09

eggs I also think you need to press your GP (or see another one).

Drizzle I am slightly disconcerted that my username might be forever associated with menstrual flow by your reference to the "euro scale"! Confused

karbea I don't know much about the effects of light periods having never been on that side of the divide. But all you need is something for an embryo to implant into. I've never been dildocammed to check my lining either (although I have been for other reasons).

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Stasi · 16/11/2011 16:10

I always classed my flow as heavy, medium, light, light, light... however I've never, ever used anything more than a regular tampon, and never had to change one of those for leakage. I class my flow based on itself, rather than against other people. It's always been the only option! Also, because I work at a desk job, I find (when using towels) that my flow is mostly only ever when I go to the bathroom. I think when sitting down it can't really flow, so first thing in the morning I'll have a 'rush' about 1-2 minutes after first standing up (by which time I will have hopefully made my way to the bathroom), then through the day I have mini-rushes each time I pee, and minimal or no flow the rest of the time.

My mum told me once that for every child she had, her periods became noticeably much heavier. I think next time a doctor asks me if I have heavy periods, I'll definitely say no!

Euro how do you find the mooncup? I'm really interested in getting one, though I'm not sure how you'd get it out again?

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 16/11/2011 16:10

I didn't realise, since you are considering IVF I thought you would have had the joys of full investigations. In any case, it is one of the things they looked at with me. I am sure they will do so when you get your pre-IVF tests done.

I am feeling stupid, though, is it time for an update about who is where in investigations and treatments?

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 16/11/2011 16:13

Sorry euro - my alternative association with your name is the crashing economy of most of the continent, with Greece and Italy leading the way Wink

And stasi I admit to not having used super tampax before - but I bought some during the last AF, but then everything calmed down, so we are ready for next months (or the one after child birth, in about a year or so Wink. And rushing when you get up, is very familiar...

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 16/11/2011 16:15

Apologies for a) oversharing, b) overposting, c) overuse of comma, d) leading you astray in all sort of directions. But it is making the new thread go very fast!

mrsden · 16/11/2011 16:19

I use pads rather than tampons so my definition of heavy is when I use a super pad and I have to change it at least once an hour. And I'm very aware that I'm bleeding on heavy days. On light days I don't even notice and could forget I have AF until I go to the loo.

karbea do those stats not mean success for each cycle? So some women might take 4 cycles but will get pregnant eventually with IVF.

mrsden · 16/11/2011 16:21

Welcome back fatima. I always wonder where people get to. Hope everything is ok with you.

joycep · 16/11/2011 16:21

Hi fatima - i remember you too - y ou had that awful nurse tell you something ridiculous didn't she. How is everything?

lemon - it's nice that your work isn't busy today as you are amusing me with all your chat. Grin

eggs - is there any way of changing GPs so you can get referred? This other MNetter was saying that there is new research saying levels should be below 2 for optimum conceiving. This doesn't mean you won't of course but someone more qualified than a GP should be looking after you...Are you under 30 is that why she is being pig headed?
lady - my acu was£70 for the first session followed by £50 thereafter but that's London prices.

ok - eventful hour. My MiL wrote an email to her friend which said that DH and I can't conceive and listed what treatment we were doing. Ok that's embarrassing that she is talking to her friends about us. But worse, She put in the email that she wished my BiL (her son) had married someone else and wasn't it typical they didn't have problems conceiving. And then wrote how fat his wife was and that she hasn't lost any weight after giving birth Shock. And she sent it by mistake to my BiL...with the 'fat' wife (who isn't fat at all). Major family issues have kicked off.

Also just had a scan and I have 5 eggs this month. I am hoping for triplets, twins will do but will settle for one. I've been here before so not excited!

joycep · 16/11/2011 16:29

I know people with light periods - just 2 days of light bleeding and they have conceived quickly so i don't think light period people need to worry.
I can't wear tampons anymore , they seem to hurt me but sometimes i will go through a few hours in the morning where i have to change once an hour and then it settles.

eggandtoastedsoldiers · 16/11/2011 16:34

Hi ladies, thank you for all the concern. My GP is in an office with quite a few other GPs. Maybe in the next appointment I should ask for another one and explain I am concerned about my thyroid. I would like a referral but it's hard knowing how to go about one when your GP says you do not need one... I went in July to talk about my TTCing. Had one blood test to see if I had pcos and to see if I was ovulating which I called about and the receptionist said it came back fine and I didn't need another appointment

eurochick · 16/11/2011 16:37

Ooo, that sounds good joycep (the eggs, not the email fallout...)

I meant to say welcome back, Fatima.

mrsd it sound like we are pretty similar then. It's interesting comparing info. I always knew I was heavy but I didn't realise quite how heavy compared to some others. I am rather jealous of the ladies that can manage with a few regular tampons. I've been as heavy as I am now since I was a teenager. The only thing that reduces it is weightloss but then only on the months when my weight is actually going down rather than at a lower weight. I only have a BMI of about 21 so that is not really a sensible option.

Stasi I quite like it. I hated the feeling of pulling a dryish tampon out if the flow had slowed. Eugh. And the good thing about the cup is that you can put it in while you are waiting to start so you avoid accidents. It also has a bigger capacity than even a super plus tampon, which is an advantage for me. The downside is that to change it it's best to use a disabled loo so it has a sink in it so you can give it a rinse (although you can just wipe it if you need to). I find it a little uncomfortable to get in unless I use lube on it. Getting it out is fine - you bear down with your pelvic floor muscles. The first time I panicked because I could';t get it and as you tighten your muscles, it shoots up out of reach (I think this is quite common). You just have to relax and push it down a bit. It's good pelvic floor exercise!

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FatimaLovesBread · 16/11/2011 16:38

Waves excitedly at lovesLemonDrizzleCake mrsden and joycep for remembering me Grin

Yes joycep I had the lovely nurse tell me we could never have children and that DH couldn't be referred or have any tests done to find any reasons for his extremely low count.

Since then we have been referred to a different NHS hospital, which means we had to go through all the tests and diagnoses again. It's quite long winded but we're far happier with their treatment so far and they're referring DH for further tests which is more than the previous hospital did.

We have also decided to pursue private treatment alongside the NHS treatment, as the NHS wait is so long. We're hoping we won't to use the NHS free go Smile

So privately, we're going for egg sharing. We've had all the test done and were waiting for news of a recipient being found, then last week we got the good news Grin they've found a recipient who "loves me" (preen Grin) so we're looking at starting a privately funded cycle in January with EC in February!!

So fingers crossed.

Now I just need to start on my formal complaint for the original NHS hospital

Karbea · 16/11/2011 16:42

OMG! joycep that will make for a lovely family christmas.
Email and Text is so dangerous!

mrsden · 16/11/2011 16:50

Crikey joycep. Does your MIL know that you've all seen it? She must be mortified. Did she say anything nasty about you (except for the ttc stuff)? Did your BIL know you were having trouble ttc?

fatima fantastic news that you know when you will start ivf. It's moved very fast, how do you feel about it? How does egg sharing work? It's so lovely that another couple will be as excited as you about the cycle. What info does the recipient get about you? I remember about that nasty nurse now, I hope you do write that complaint letter.

Stasi · 16/11/2011 16:59

Hi Fatima, welcome back. I'm not sure if I was around on the thread you were on, though your name is familiar? I think I remember you posting about that nurse too, but I think it was just as I was joining, so we never got to talk. Good luck with the egg sharing and your first cycle!

Karbea I wouldn't be worried about your flow really, I feel that the "normal" tampons are called normal because it's what most people need. I might be completely wrong, and I don't want to call the heavy flow people abnormal. But, something like the kind they sell most of, or through research it's the kind most people use.

I had the dildo-cam done on my first consultant appointment, back before I'd had any investigations at all done. I think I was around mid/late cycle, because they could see the 'bruise' on my ovary which indicated I'd ovulated. I did however find the experience a little disconcerting, as the male doctor was standing such that his crotch was against my knee while doing the exam? I'm slightly worried about going back to the same doctor, but I'm sure it was just an accident and me being overly sensitive.

Lemon - my stats are history of cancer led me to get a consultant appointment after only having come off the pill 3 months before. Now a year later I've got another appointment with the same guy in Jan, and have had my CD3/21 tests, and have the SA pot for DH. No results at all yet though.

mrsden - I prefer to use pads too, as have always found tampons uncomfortable. However, I'm 'allergic' to pads (get bad rash/itchy/broken and bleeding skin) if I use them for more than a couple of days, so have to alternate - hence being interested in the mooncup. I can't imagine having to change them so regularly though!

eggs - I think you should try and see another doctor. I've had terrible trouble with some doctors being pig-headed, and I always turned out to be right in the end. Sometimes you know your body better than the doctor, and you just need to find one who's willing to get off their high horse and listen. I also find it helps when meeting a new doctor to establish your relationship anew - i.e. be confident and forward about what you want, don't act shy or ask for advice on whether they think you need a referral.

joycep - I can't believe that email! I really hope it doesn't cause an irreparable family rift. We have one of those (between my mother and her parents/sisters) and it makes all sorts of things awkward. We had grandparents some years, and not others, which as a child is a little hard to understand. It's also just really sad, families are important. However, that behaviour needs explanation and an apology, and soon!

euro - I think I might invest in a mooncup. Hopefully I won't need it though! At least not for another 9 months. They're not that expensive, and worth a try I think.

Stasi · 16/11/2011 17:01

Sorry for the repeated long posts - I've started using text pad to write the posts while reading the site. Means I can respond to everyone, but don't realise just how long the posts are :)

FatimaLovesBread · 16/11/2011 17:07

mrsden It has moved fast! Luckily the PILs have offered to contribute so that we can move a bit faster If we were doing it purely through the NHS we'd be waiting a lot longer so we're thankful. Hopefully it will work privately so then someone who has no chance of private treatment can use our NHS go.

Both the private consultant and the consultant at Jessops can't believe our previous treatment, the fact the DH was told he couldn't be referred and that I was giving the diagnosis by a nurse and not a consultant.

I'm now getting a bit worried about going through the actual process of ICSI, been reading up on OHSS and trying not to worry myself Smile

With egg sharing I got through a cycle of IVF at the same time as the recipient, then at EC they split the eggs between us. The recipient gets donor eggs and partially funds our cycle.
i will admit, initially the cost attracted us, but when we looked in to it further, I like the idea of helping out another woman seeing as we're also getting help. I also have a friend very poorly with breast cancer who will more than likely need donor eggs so I've got her in the back of my mind when i'm doing it. Makes me feel like i'm doing my bit.

I had to fill in a form with basic like eye and hair colour, height, weight, interests, hobbies and religion. Then you have a page or so to write about yourself, your upbringing, education, career, values and morals etc. Dread to think what I wrote, I just sort of rambled Grin

Sorry for the long post!

EggNogNelly · 16/11/2011 18:17

71 posts before I've even noticed a new thread Shock. Off to catch up first.

GinSoaked · 16/11/2011 18:51

Hi all. Thanks for the warm welcome! I LOVE that there is somewhere where we can discuss periods. For the record, I have a couple of heavy days followed by light/spotting days. Stasi I totally get what you mean about it being heavier when you get up etc. A doctor once told me that heavy periods are a sign of fertility but can't see what the science behind this would be!

Fatima really interesting to hear about egg sharing. If we're allowed I'd be keen to do this. Although also like the sound of 'mild' ivf, which I assume isn't compatible with egg sharing. Are you at a London clinic?

Am now very intrigued about the FB thing, although slightly scared as it feels like well over 50% of my friends have kids.. Hmmm... Bring on the calculator!

mrsden I will try to get hold of some pine bark, but might be a bit too woo for Mr G! We haven't had 2nd SA results yet but deep down we both know something is wrong.

Can't remember who's considering the CBFM, but I have one. It's pretty good but do prefer charting, as it pins down ovulation to an exact day. Controlling moi? It's also cheaper.. Having said that, think I'm going to take a break from it all after this month. Doesn't seem much point!

Had the pleasure of Chantelle's "happy news" in Metro today. Pah! Was also reading about Kate Middleton and how she refused some peanut paste so must be pregnant. How can I be jealous of people I don't know?!

TheCake · 16/11/2011 18:53

Hello all- is another newcomer ok? I recognise a lot of you from the buses I have been riding since January. I have not joined the most recent one as I don't recognise anyone and most of the people have only just started ttc- I felt I needed to be with people in a similar situation (plus you all seem lovely :)).

Anyway, I'm 31, 32 in Jan and DH is 32 and we are ttc our first. I have a short luteal phase which I'm trying to lengthen by overdosing on vitamin b6 and Agnus Castus. I'm very Interested in trying acupuncture; I've been doing Ashtanga yoga for the past 6 months which I love and one of the places I go to has an acupuncturist in there so I may have to investigate (after Christmas when I have money again). Have not been to docs, will go if no sign by Jan.

Re: Chantelle, Alex, Katie Price etc... It really pisses me off more than anything that they are called celebrities- I do not celebrate them!

TheCake · 16/11/2011 18:56

ginsoaked I guess the papers would not possibly consider whether or not she liked nuts - or more probably is obsessed with her weight. I've just eaten a slice of toast with peanut butter and reading about Peanut paste is making me want more!

eurochick · 16/11/2011 19:00

Welcome to the newbies!

Cake I am on AC and B6 too. I also try to do some yoga once a week.

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