TTC for 10+ months, part 3

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The other thread was just about to fill up and so here we are again with a slightly different name now as many of us have been trying for well over 12 cycles now. We had a few great successes on Part 2, with a couple of people getting bfp's on their 17th and 19th month of trying. So let's hope for more successes on Part 3. (Moaning, crying, sadness, anxiety & bitterness is certainly allowed on here!)

Just got back from my GP appt, got my blood results which she said were normal but when looked at the print out later freaked out a bit bc LH = 2 and FSH = 6 - thought they were supposed to be the same??!! But then read that as long as LH is not a lot more than FSH it's fine? (feel free NOT to tell me otherwise!!)

Bizarrely she seemed to think H's results weren't too bad in terms of count (2.9 million) or morphology (1%). she seemed to think the problem was the motility (25%), which I actually wasn't worried about because it's half what it should be, rather than a tenth... She did tell us to think about whether we we're going to go for ivf though, she's going to refer us when DH has done a repeat SA. Bleugh, hate this long drawn-out process.

Morning ladies

Munki - I know it's hard to play the waiting game but it's good that your GP is ordering a second SA and you've had your day 3 bloods done. My GP didn't do either of these so we've had them done by the hospital and we're in limbo now 'til our next appointment. I'd also say, from experience, to take what your GP says with a pinch of salt and wait to see what happens when you get the referral. Easier to say than do, I know.

Nelly - That's a good mantra to have ("it doesn't mean there's one less chance for you"). I might borrow it when I'm struggling to make sense of other people's drop-of-a-hat pregnancies, hope that's ok :) .

I might also need to borrow your study tips for skeleton. I've just started working from home and often struggle to stay focussed so am trying to find things that help split the day up a little (and don't result in me spending hours googling or reading MN posts!).

Had a tough day yesterday. My sister is pregnant and showed me her scan photos. I'm so happy for her but sometimes I struggle (although it was a bad AF day yesterday too so that didn't help). It made me wonder, have you told anyone that you're TTC and where you are at? The only person I've told is my Mum, and I haven't gone into details. I'm not sure I'm ready to tell anyone else yet.

Anyway it's Friday today and a bank holiday weekend too. Hope you all have lovely plans.

morning all,
Thanks for the study tips Nelly and sorry to hear about AF, I think breaking things into blocks is a good idea, I'm more the sort of person that puts things off for ages and ages and then spends hours on it when I DO get started and forgets to have lunch and so on cos I'm so absorbed, little and often sounds more healthy and better for concentration levels (and reduce my use of huge ammounts of caffiene to keep up the concentration levels for hours!) dont think I could watch just 5 minutes of J Kyle though, surely you have to watch the whole terrible circus unfold! oh and and when you do get your BFP and baby I feel that you now have to start an AIBU thread called 'AIBU buggy jam in TKMaxx' where you detail the spat you had trying to get your silvercross past the evening dress section, this must include passers by getting ankle injuries and the ruination of a gown that a girl had picked out for her prom and NOTHING ELSE WOULD DO when it got caught in the wheels

Munki the levels sound good I think, nice and low anyway, and its great that the consultant is talking about refering you for IVF if that is what you want to do.

Ladygee sorry to hear you had a tough day yesterday, it must be hard when it's your sister pregnant, as its more difficult to get space from it all if its family than when it is a friend I guess. Oh and glad im not the only one that procreastinating at home instead of working!

Nelly Sorry that you've bombed this cycle. How are you feeling today?
I am very judgemental about everything especially about children & parenting. I think I've watched too much Supernanny over the years! I am most often heard saying to DP "that child needs a bloody good telling off"

munki you sound like you are in good hands with your GP. The waiting game is a killer.
I sometimes ponder how not only have I been TTC for 16 cycles but I have been waiting to TTC for years before hand too!

ladygee It must be very difficult for you having your sister pregnant. I'm guessing you can't really avoid that one!

About the telling people about TTC I have told my mother (big mistake as true to form it's all about her feelings and how much sympathy mileage she can get off it by apparently telling EVERY friend & acquaintance she has despite me swearing her to secrecy) & my sister. I used to feel quite secretive about it but am coming round to the idea that I shouldn't try and hide it. In fact I am thinking why should I keep it a secret?

Skeleton I get absorbed in things too and forget to eat and stuff. I just get on a roll and want to get stuff finished so I can relax - not healthy, I'm sure the regular breaks thing is sound advice.

The PMT madness has started for me. I got a bee in my bonnet this morning about finding the prescription I have lost so was rooting around the wheelie bin at 6.45am????? Couldn't find it so had a little cry instead. Do we have a mad woman smiley?

Hello all. Well I've had a nice few days away with my dh and for the first time since we started ttcing I got well and truly pissed. It was an accident but being away/finishing my dissertation and seeing old friends caught me off guard. Haven't had a hangover in a long time and it felt horrible! My tolerance has really gone down. I'm not in the tww so not worried about pickling my baby (what baby?) but then had huge panic about how I've undone all my good work over the past 10 months andnhow I've probably ruined this months egg. Please tell me that this is most likely not true.

pout I often dream about babies and have a recurring dream about three lines on a stick and I don't know what it means. Last night I dreamt I was pregnant with a girl and couldn't feel her moving. I'm worried even in my dreams! But i felt disappointed when I woke up and there was no bump, it was particularly vivid.

I have lost track of cycle days etc and forgot to temp when I was away. So not a full on TRYING month after all. Maybe next time.

skeleton I'm actually working in teacher training now so if you need any help at all with this year then do message me. Is it primary or secondary that you're doing? It is a bit of a slog of a year but well worth it and you will meet lots of new people too. But do use me, I'd be happy to help or be moaned at when you're fed up etc. I reckon that the very commitment of signing up to a year is probably a very good fertility booster!

Love to everyone else, have lost track after being AWOL for a few days. It's all gone a bit quiet today. Maybe there are good bank holiday plans afoot. I have none so if anyone feels chatty/lonely etc I will be hovering somewhere in the background.

Hi ladies. Hope you are all well today. I?m doing the old ?mislead your boss? trick by typing this on Word for now. However my iphone is going so slowly that I?ve not been able to read anyone else?s news yet. I?ll have a look soon when I know I can open it on my pc without anyone noticing.

Anyway firstly I just wandered if you had seen this story because if so, I wanted to point out it?s not me . (Not least because the girl in question is so young, and I?m, well, Not!). It?s very scary though. I don?t mean to make light of it, as it must have been very alarming for the Mum, and the girl who tried to take it is apparently not well; but when I read her age, the bitter and twisted part of me thought ? Oh FFS just go out and shag someone if you want a baby so much; and leave the poor 30 year old woman to keep the baby that she probably went through hell to conceive .

Munki I can?t help with your test results ? I still don?t even know what I was tested for. I know I had a rubella immunity test (which was fine) and when I finally talked to the doctor he was talking about hormones and the ones in the brain (??) but he never mentioned FSH or LH, which is what I assumed I was being tested for. He said one was slightly high, but still considered normal, but as a total control freak someone who likes to have all the detail, this is annoying me greatly . Same for the SA, we?ve just been told they are ?fine?.

Ladygee I have to confess the mantra isn?t really mine, I?ve read it on here somewhere before, but it really helps me actually. Yes sometimes I get jealous, but luckily I still just about hold on to enough rational thought to realise that the pregnant lady standing in front of me has absolutely no idea what I?m going through, and didn?t get pregnant to spite me, despite the fact I guess we all feel that way sometimes . In answer to your question, nobody knows that we are TTC. I told my sister just after we started, but because she lives abroad it?s never talked about. I?ve not told anyone else, I just couldn?t bear the questions/sympathetic glances when you order a large glass of red in a restaurant. I have a feeling my Mum might know/have guessed though. She tidied up our bedroom one time when she was house-sitting for a few days, and the SA kit was lying on the bedroom floor. OH is sure it was moved when we got back. The thought makes me cringe. When my Sis in law was pregnant, they told us and their parents at about 7 weeks. I find this odd, not for the obvious reasons of being scared of something going wrong. But I?m 37, and have spent my whole life making it clear to all and sundry that I don?t want kids. To be fair, this was true for about 34 and a half of those years; but I am going to find it so strange if the time ever bloody comes to actually tell people.

I really laughed at your AIBU thread suggestion skelly . I will definitely do that if or when I ever have a real-actual baby, even if said event never happens. OK that might be slightly troll-behaviour, but it would be fun to see the thread develop . I have to say I used to be rubbish at studying, but my most recent set of exams were my professional post-uni quals, and I was pretty good by that point. I think what helped the most was just getting started right at the beginning, so not feeling left behind and overwhelmed before you have even started. That gave me confidence in lectures etc too; and before I knew it I was sailing through. That probably sounds horribly smug, but despite being some of the hardest exams you can do, I also found them the ?easiest?, in terms of feeling 100% prepared. It was much nicer than the horrendous 2am pro-plus fuelled cramming sessions I did whilst at Uni.

I feel strangely ok about another BFD pout. I have been keeping very busy which helps, and I have a crazy daft hobby that I love, but that wouldn?t be compatible with pregnancy. So I?ve been getting right back into that with a vengeance, and now a very very microscopic part of me would be disappointed with a BFP at the moment ? which is a bit of a strange feeling I know! That said, I was in a right grump last night and OH got it in the neck for no real reason. And this makes me a bit evil I realise, but I giggled at the image of you crying over the wheelie bin looking for your prescription. My wheelie bin stinks so badly there is no earthly way I?d be looking for it, that would be like a deathwish. Kudos to you .

Cross-post wine. You do realise that getting horrendously drunk is the BEST way to get upduffed don't you . Without realising it, you are following the fucking annoying "just relax" advice!

For a horrible minute, I read that you were going to spend the bank holiday weekend hoovering. This made me very sad for you. Luckily, that's not the case! .

Hi everyone, this thread moves quickly doesn't it?

Hello to the newbies. I'm still around, just reading and not posting much. Still no sign of AF which us gettin really annoying. Had ny scan last week and will get the results next Friday at gp.

Think that's all I have to say for now!

Happy Bonk Holiday one and all.

I got a good dildocamming this morning (from a 12 yr old dr who appeared to be pregnant - grrr). All looked normal apparently. HSG next week. WE've been told not to shag pending the HSG so we have a few days off. Which would be a good thing apart from the fact that it is out first wedding anniversary tomorrow. I would feel worse about it if AF were not here anyway.

Hi all. I'm new to this thread. TTC for 24mths. Been receiving treatment for 8 months. Now onto the max dose of Clomid followed by dildocamming at regular slots to see if eggs are growing. First cycle of this went ok actually ovulated for the first time (wooppee) following an hcg injection. however this last cycle has done nothing, zippo, zilch. Downhearted and sad. Any words of wisdom out there from you lovely ladies?

Hello bank holidayers.

I've just been pickling all the shallots we can't eat. It was rather tedious! It's back to school/Uni week for me next week -sad face.

Went to see One Day last night. I had read the book last year but forgot there was a ttc aspect to it ( as was still trying not to have a baby probably). Thought was going to sob hysterically in the cinema and i never cry in public so had to hold it in with burning throat til I got in the car. It probably looked like me and dh were having a row. I think he was a bit choked up too. We had a long cuddle. It came out of the blue as I've been fine of late and am fine today. It was just a sad moment. I'd give an advisory caution about the film when trying to make a baby, unless you want a good old cathartic cry. Or maybe I'm just a sop lately. I'm glad I didn't see it with work colleagues though.

Hi hillbillie sorry for the long ttc journey. I'm 'only' ten months in and it is worrying times. I really hope they get you sorted in the ovulation department and that you don't feel blue for too long this month. I've found that finding other hobbies has helped me as it really does get me down some days, which for me has been yoga and cooking. Hanging round with people who are not remotely close to having a baby also helps, although most of my friends are now pregnant or new mums. Also, planning things that are totally unbaby friendly is good too. I now avoid all trying to get pregnant books except those by Julia indi something - the fertile female is quite uplifting. This is a good place to visit as it has helped me A Lot to know that I'm not alone in this, even though in RL everyone I know has conceived in less than 4 months. I've found it very supportive.

izzy still no period? Is this coming off the pill that has delayed things? It took me 14 months to get a period again after I came off the pill after 10 years of it. I went to see a very scary film (I hate scary films) and I swear it literally frightened my period out. I hope you aren't stuck in limbo for too much longer.

euro glad the scan went ok. Did you sort out the antibiotic thing (caught you on the other thread). I also have ibs problems (can't take multivits the iron is v bad for me, took ages to realise) and antibiotics are awful for me, so I'd be v wary of taking them unless I had to. Do let me know how it goes I'm supposed to have mine the next cycle.

For those of you temping, do you find the temp range changes from month to month? This month my pre ov temps are very very low and I don't really know why.

Hope everyone is doing fun stuff.

Oh and pout last night I dreamt I got a bfp on a fancy stick that told me all sorts of info like due date and scan dates. You'll probably wish you never mentioned dreams

wine (love the name, btw) I decided not to take the antibiotics (but I will have to tell the hospital I have). I researched and there seemed to be a 50/50 divide between people who had been given them and people who had not been. I couldn't find any UK guidelines but I did stumble across the US guidelines which say prophilaxis antibiotics are not necessary for HSG unless there is a history of pelvic infection. I also found some infection stats - 1% where there was no history of pelvic infection and 11% where there was. What really swung it for me is that I have a friend who is going through the same thing as me but a few months ahead at the next hospital down the road and antibiotics were never mentioned for her.

I take the view that I have done my research and am willing to take the 1% risk rather than the much larger risk of messing up my delicate stomach. I've also taken a chlamydia test and should get the results before the HSG next week.

Hello to everyone else. It is our wedding anniversary today and we have some people coming round soon to help us drink the last couple of bottles of champagne left from our reception. We are in the middle of cooking up a storm so I will have to leave it there for now!

Hi all,

Have not been very good with keeping on top of mumsnet lately which I suppose is a good sign in that I'm obsessing a bit less than I have been for a while. Super busy this weekend with friends seeing comedy shows and music concerts. Not too much drink (for me at least) but lots of food!

Had positive OPK results on Thursday and Friday but only managed to swi successfully on Thursday and then today, so probably not ideal this month. Does anyone else's dh find it difficult to perform sometimes with all this pressure? We always manage to start, but we don't always finish..... I find it very difficult to not show dh my frustration, but if I do it just adds to the pressure that he feels and makes things more difficult. I never tell him when we've had a positive result on the opk, but perhaps I'm communicating extra pressure myself? TTC definitely isn't the romantic experience that I thought it was going to be.....

Welcome hillbillie. 24 months is tough. You'll find everyone here very encouraging, no matter how up or down you're feeling. We're a pretty non-judgmental group I think :)

Will do my best to keep up with things this week!

Happy bank holiday everyone! I wish I was on bank holiday rather than being at work but I've only got to scrape through this week and then I've got two weeks off

Welcome hillbillie. You've joined a lovely thread here.

euro I think your decision about the antibs sounds sensible as long as you're confident you don't have an infection. I don't think I have to take anything before the hsg.

thatway I think performance issues for men are fairly common for long term ttcers. There is a lot of pressure to perform at the right time. My DH doesn't have this problem yet but I do make sure that I don't mention anything about ttc or ovulation to him.

wine my temp range changes a bit month to month. Although the usual pattern is that my pre ov temps range from 36.0 - 36.4 and my post ov temps are 36.4 - 36.8. Some months they are consistently lower so 36.0 - 36-2 pre ov and then 36.4 to 36.6 post ov. I don't think it matters as long as you see a shift. Last month when I didn't ovulation they were 36.2 - 36.4 the whole month.

According to my temps I am 5 dpo. There was SWI 4 days before and 1 day after ovulation so I think it's a hopeless month. It's so frustrating that last month I didn't ovulate and then I did this month and DH was away at the crucial time. I'm also worried now that AF will come while on holiday and spoil it even though I will be expecting it. And it means I'll be away so not sure if I can book in for the hsg. TTC is so complicated.

pout my dreams are related to the 2ww. It must be the progesterone. I have had really vivid ones the last few days, all of them involving ex-partners although not in a rude way.

wine I've just started reading One Day, should I give up now? I'm actually not that impressed with it so far. I think my expectations were too high after loads of people raved about it and told me I must read it.

I was thinking that I should try and get fit again. I do go swimming and walk lots but I was thinking maybe I should run. Is that bad for ttc though? Also, I always hated running because my throat gets sore and burning like it's all irritated. It only happens when I'm running. Does this happen to anyone else? I think it must be because I'm breathing through my mouth but I'm not sure how to change my breathing technique.

Morning all!

A quick wave from hangover central - it was our wedding anniversary too euro and we decided to just have fun and forget about TTC and associated sensibleness. And as a result I have discovered I have lost all my alcohol tolerance over the past year and feel decidedly worse for wear. Wait and it will pass, I hope

Welcome to hillbilly (you'll believe me when I admit to accidentally writing hilliebilly). This thread is lovely and supportive and I hope it will help. Jeee, 24 months, you make us sound like beginners. Hope clomid will make stuff happen again soon!

Generalised wave and a special but not too energetic one to my hangover-sister wine. Oh yes, ironic BFP would be welcome too, definitely pickled an egg, whilst I was at it. More when I am feeling better!

Hello all,

Am hiding in the study so I have some time to write a reply, should be doing my bank holiday tidying...

I am doing OPKs religiously this month, we have decided we are going to save up H's sperm until O day to give them the best chance (I've read conflicting advice on this I must say, but we've tried the every day/every other day approach and it hasn't worked so far so worth a shot). Just getting negatives so far, not expecting to O until Weds or Thurs.

wine and lemondrizzle one bout of drunkenness isn't going to hurt, I'm sure. Anything that helps you relax and takes your mind of ttc is a good thing in my book.

ladygee sorry your sister is pregnant, I'm finding it hard enough to grit my teeth to talk to pregnant people at work so I can imagine it must be really difficult for you. I'm fully expecting my sister to announce a pregnancy soon, really not looking forward to it. We have pretty much told a couple of people (hinted strongly) that we are trying. As we have one already we thought it would be so easy so didn't think we needed to keep it under wraps. How I regret that decision now, all the covert looks at my stomach (which, incidentally, does look really bloated and pregnant and always has) that I have to try and ignore.

Did anyone see that Beyonce is pregnant? Bitch.

Wahhh I'm such a bitter dried up old shrew.

Hope you're enjoying your bank holiday!
M

Hello everyone, hope you all are having a nice extended weekend
Euro and Drizzle I was my wedding anniversary too yesterday (first one)! guess it must be a v. popular date with being in the school hols and a bank holiday!, did you have terrible rain on your big day last year too? All our photos are inside due to it pissing it down all day long, fortunately we had picked an inside venue but had hoped to have the evening bit in our friends field, which was just too soggy to even contemplete by 7 o clock! Glad your scan went well too Euro

Wine thanks for the teacher training help offer, I may PM you as I get into it if I get stuck, cheers and hope you have recovered from your piss up session like drizzle If a little hungover today too, maybe we will have a wave of post piss up BFP's like Nelly says

sorry to hear that you are in the PMT bit Pout I tink I would cry if I had to root through the bin for a errant perscription too! I get really terrible PMT, thats my first sign that the dreaded BFD is on its way here, although I would guess that people who are upduffed also get the PMT feelings too if its to do with the rising progesterone?! or is PMT anger a symptom link soley to the actual period not the progesterone surge? I will bug one of a graduates with this question next time they come on.

Welcome Hillbilly and sorry you have had such a long slog being at the 24 months mark, also sorry to hear that your treatment has been unsuccessfull so far, fingers crossed for a BFP for you soon.

Thatway I totally understand the pressure aspect, Last month as an all time low for us pressure wise, I was starting to tense up every time we DTD and really not enjoy it,which then made dh feel horrible and not enjoy it too. This month I have started using the clearblue monitor though which I have found usefull in taking the pressure off so far as every day has been a 'low' day which means no pressure to shag, and we have been actually doing it for fun rather than breeding for the first time in ages dunno what it will be like then I get the peak on the monitor and then start to feel the prssure again though!

Thank you all so much! Have felt really alone in this and its so nice to have a few encouraging voices! Went and had a good heart to heart with a friend yesterday and getting it all off my chest helped so much. She's lent me a book called Natural Solutions to Infertility - anyone read it? If not I'll keep you posted to whether its any good.
Wine - I'll keep my eyes open for the other book.
Can't start the next cycle of clomid till my period comes, and at the rate my body is working that may be another few months - so frustrating! Just wish there was something I could do to hurry it all along!!!

I'm a little hung over not if a little hung over sorry!

Glad to hear it isn't just me that has ignored the advice of not drinking whilst ttc skeleton and lemon. I think if you are a more seasoned member of the ttc gang it gets a little unrealistic.

mrsden the ttc aspect is tiny really but it caught me a bit off guard. It was a straightforward holiday read for me and I guess it does what it says on the tin, but worth finishing I think.

Do pm me skeleton if you need to and I look forward to hearing about how you get on. Who knows, it might even be at my Uni, such is the odd world of the web. I'm not teaching on the PGCE this year though, in case you were wondering! I really don't want term to start again. I really thought that out of term time, without as many stresses, we might actually conceive. I find that there are certain landmarks or deadlines I set myself but I'm getting better at not doing that anymore.

yes wine I think avoiding the booze is probably do-able for the two-shags-then-a-bfp types, but unrealistic when in for the long haul, especially with booze abstinence's correlation with akward 'are you pregnant?' type questions when out with friends! Would be too painfull to have everyone staring at my belly while I sipped mineral water for months and months on end. Would be funny if we were at the same uni, we should have a secret club handshake for ttc 10 months+ers incase any of us meet each other when out and about in the real-actual world

skelly, we were v lucky. It had rained the week before (the ground was soft and I was on tiptoes in the photos so I didn't sink into the ground!) but it was dry for the journey to the venue, dry for the drinks reception outside, hoofed it down during dinner and was dry again in time for everyone to leave. Someone was smiling down on us!

Hi Ladies, I hope everyone has been having a good bank holiday. Trying to catch up with posts since Friday as my phone hasn't been working and couldn't check MN...probably quite good discipline for me really...

ladygee - that must be tough with your sister being pregnant. I don't have a sister but I know I cried for hours when my sister in law told us she was pregnant. But perhaps that 's a little different!

Sorry about AF Nelly. I hope you haven't been feeling too awful.

Pout - sorry about PMT hell. Hope AF doesn't come of course. I seem to have Post menstrual tension as AF has gone and I have been swaying between crying and then exploding all week. God knows what that's about.

wine - i just don't believe you can ruin this month's egg by getting hideously drunk. I've heard too many stories of people getting pregnant when they were plastered. So don't worry, it has probably improved your chances! Yes my temps can really range. They're higher than they use to be now. Of course I have thought far too much about why this could be the case but then it exhausted me the over thinking and now I just assume it is normal!

welcome hillbillie - so sorry you have been on this road for so long. I hope taht bfp is around the corner for you. But you will get lots of support here.

mrsd - the exercise thing is really interesting. last year I was pretty fit. I had done a 500 mile cycle ride through france and that's when i got a bfp. Since then I have slowly got more and more sluggish bordering on couch potato. My gynae told me she doesn't like her patients to do much exercise especially running but i wonder whether my lack of fitness is proving a problem. Anhyway i have started running because it's one of the only things that actually gets me fit. I don't exactly run anyway...it's more of a very slow jog! But i think exercise must help things. If exercise was bad, no athlete would ever get pregnant!

munki - i didn't know Beyonce is pregnant and i share in your grrrr at this. In fact I have just been wound up by watching Country house rescue as the cameras returned to see this couple a year on and she was heavily pregnant. I had this sick sense they would be pregnant by the end of the programme. Really i have stooped to new lows.

Well i have been terribly teary for ages now and especially this weekend. I went to a wedding on Saturday which I had been dreading. I decided to drive afterwards and didn't drink. Cue one girl saying "ooooh...not drinking ???". At which point I was like "no , no, def not pregnant". Cue this girl coming up to me several times during the night to tell me "she was on to me, congratulations on the baby , but mum's the word , she wouldn't say anything". well of course she did say something to some of DH's friends and so they all think i'm up duffed just because i was driving and not drinking. I was so furious but also so close to tears, I just wanted to turn round to her and tell where to go. Anyway, I really hope everyone else is ok.

Joyce so sorry about that girl, you're a better person than me, I think in that situation I'd probably lose the plot entirely and end up creating a scene. I guess she'll feel pretty shit when she realises she was wrong - maybe she won't make that mistake again. Even so, what an idiot - even if you were pregnant it's a stupid insensitive thing to do, to tell people without your consent. I'm fuming on your behalf!

Joycep I am fuming on your behalf. What a stupid, insensitive thing to do, is she on this planet?! Hope she is some random friend of a friend and not someone you have to deal with often. If she is though I would be a vengefull cow and next time I saw her say something like "wow you've really piled that weight on havent you!, must be pregnant I guess, DONT WORRY I WONT TELL ANYONE" or spread a rumor that she is crying in the toilets becasue shes just found out she has clymidia and she doesnt know if its her h straying of that little dalliance she had a couple of years ago [insert evil emoticon] hope you are ok now.