TTC for 10+ months, part 3

[joycep]

The other thread was just about to fill up and so here we are again with a slightly different name now as many of us have been trying for well over 12 cycles now. We had a few great successes on Part 2, with a couple of people getting bfp's on their 17th and 19th month of trying. So let's hope for more successes on Part 3. (Moaning, crying, sadness, anxiety & bitterness is certainly allowed on here!)

Mrsd it took me that long to actually post my last message (inbetween work emails) that I missed your post - sorry.

I'm sorry you're feeling so fed up. It's so difficult to wait out the time between things happening, there's too much time to think about things and it makes the wait seem even longer. Are the timescales just related to when things have to be done at different times in the cycle? Are you being seen by the NHS or private?

Reading about you dropping everything made me smile - I have visions of your house being covered in a paste of washing powder, juice and runny egg. A delightful combination! A lie down sounds essential...

LemonDrizzle it's Euro that is having the HSG this week I think, not me, we are at the waiting for SA appointment stage at the moment, I've had all the bloods which came back fine.

Euro I know what you mean about fearing unexplained diagnosis and possible immune issues, I think it was biscuits that said that everyones ideal is for the tests to show something that has been a small barrier to TTC yet is easily correctible, 'here take this pill and you shall have your BFP next month' type thing, we all neither want to find a big awfull problem or find no reason and still be in limbo. I really need to look into the immune stuff though so as to understand it better.

Mrs Den what you said about not being emotional on your ano-ovulatory cycle really makes sense, I feel that my hormones really rule my mood and my happiness is strongly corrilated with the ammount of progesterone in my bloodstream! I think I may have had an annovulatory cycle a couple of months ago, as I had no PMT (Yay!) at all, and a lighter period than usuall which came three days early, speaking of PMT Biscuits symptom spotting question if you dont mind answering one, when you got your BFP did you have PMT or no PMT in the week running up to it? wondering whether the rising progestorone that occurs at the end of the cycle still causes PMT even if its a cycle that ends in a BFP rather thsn a BFD or if PMT is solely the preserve of a failed cycle.

I'm at CD13 here and my lovely shiney clearbluemonitor pall is still insisting that I am at low fertility, most months we have been shagging like mad even when not in the mood at this point, which seems to have been a bit pointless in retrospect!

Skele I don't get very bad pmt really (lucky DH eh? ) so didn't particularly notice a difference in the BFP month. Having said that I felt particularly depressed about the ttc thing. I was actually starting to wonder if I was depressed about it and needed to go to the GP as I could think of nothing else etc. Then I was worried that if I was depressed would that prevent me having IUI / IVF etc so maybe I was feeling more hormonal?

Or maybe I WAS depressed about it and saved by the bell as it were?

Wow I can never keep up with this thread! I had such a busy weekend and now back at work, where I either have to post on my phone (very obvious I?m not working) or type on Word and hope no-one can read this from a set of desks away .

joycep I am not sure what I would have said to that girl. It would have probably started with ?you stupid stupid girl? and ended up with me wishing all manner of fertility problems on to her. Pay it forward? . Never mind insensitive, she was just plain rude.

I?m no longer setting deadlines. The main worry for me is my age, but I?m back to resolutely ignoring that again. I don?t feel 37. And my hobby is back to the all-consuming, super exciting, making plans for the next 5 years stage. So I know if I?m not pregnant what I?ll be doing next year, and it?s fun . That said, I was reading the Grads thread of the other thread I?m on, and I felt very sad (for me, not for them!) as I had that left behind feeling. I am fairly sure that my Sis-in-law will be starting trying for her second soon, and no doubt it will happen quickly for them. No-one has asked me/mentioned it for a long time, which in a way is nice, but actually now I?m worrying why? I can only imagine that they now think ?Oh Nelly is quite old now, I guess they could never have kids, that?s a shame? .

Giving up alcohol ? not a cat in hell?s chance! I?ve never even cut down, although I tend to have one glass of red a few nights a week as opposed to a bottle a night at the weekends. That said, we had a very heavy night a couple of weeks ago (right in the middle of the 2ww) so I decided, and managed, to give up alcohol for a whole week . It wasn?t that hard actually, but there is no way I?m giving up whilst TTC. And I never even knew the Peas thing, so they are still on the menu. In fact, other than taking folic acid and having sex, I?m doing nothing else to get pregnant. Perhaps I'm just not trying hard enough.

Re Beyonce ? just remember, it?s not her baby we want . especially if it?s going to look like Jay-z

Skiing ? good plan! I am going to book ours when we get back from our sun holiday in October, by then I?ll be safe enough to know that even if I was PG I could probably still ski (ie only a couple of months so not showing etc). It might kill me to be in a snowy mountain resort just to watch .

Got loads more to catch up on, but due at a meeting in a few minutes so better post this just now.

Hello ladies

Sorry to heat that feel you are sliding towards an 'unexplained diagnosis'. I hate that term because I KNOW something is wrong and think it would better be described as 'the NHS just don't know'. I'll be interested to see how you go about looking into immunological causes because the NHS fobbed me off with some crap that you can't test for that.
wine I too have Raynauds and I think from memory that Euro does too - coincidence that this seems to be a common theme????

Skeleton I'm glad that I'm not alone in the hopeless pre-AF feeling and then back up again by about CD4. Do you normally ovulate later in your cycle or is this a strange month for you? Wasted SWI - isn't it all in retrospect?!!!

I always seem to have PMT every month that now seems to start quite soon after ovulation rather than a few days before AF like the old days. I agree with Biscuits though that it's hard to work out what is PMT and what is just feeling depressed about TTC.

Munki What vitamins do you take? I would love to bring my OV forward by a day or two.

lemon Stop with your cake thing - I always get hungry when I come on this thread and read about your cake making!
I don't do surrepticious or subtle and in whining voice don't understand. I'm glad that you think you caught OV at the weekend - an anniversary made baby would be nice!

Karbea I whispers with shame had my first smear a year ago. I hadn't gone because I was afraid and worried about the indignity - stupid, stupid me. Anyway I had it and I don't know what I was worried about - over in minutes and didn't hurt. I would never miss one now.

Mrsd I'm sorry that you are having a rubbish day. I think some days are best spent in bed because they are never going to get better! I also meltdown about 10dpo when I realise that I am not pregnant. That meltdown is actually worse than the AF arrival one oddly. I hope that you feel better.

I have spent the last year or so hiding away because I think I have got caught in the TTC limbo. I just am hellbent on wishing the month away hoping for that elusive BFP & actually living has fallen by the wayside, I've almost been putting it off. The last couple of weeks my sister had literally forced herself on me and just told me that she is visiting and I feel so much better for it.

Joycep I understand that not looking forward to anything feeling. I wonder whether it is a case of feeling drained emotionally and having no energy or head space for much else. Ladygee Having a baby is all I think of too. In fact DP must get sick of hearing "if and when I get pregnant...".

Nelly The age thing is weird. I don't feel my age but wonder if internally my body is creaking and showing it's age and I have geriatric ovaries.

Biscuits Good luck for your scan on Friday. Let us know how you get on.

Still no AF at this end, still got the toothache and will be hauling my scared behind to the dentist on Saturday - sobs. AF is definitely on the slow creep in, I have all the little signs now and fully expect it later today or tomorrow. My dog had a pop at the little one earlier which is the equivalent of him standing on back legs and trumpeting "all hail the arrival of the period". He always seems to know!

I am still recovering from Implantation-Gate. Thought I had a wipe of rusty coloured blood and got all excited about implantation. Turns out it was Chillie Con Carne. Before everyone has horrific ideas about my kitchen hygiene practices I feel I ought to explain. I had cooked a chillie and transferred it into a smaller saucepan. During the transfer I managed to slop it all down my front and all down my jeans. I think when I went to the loo I must have somehow got the chillie that was literally all over me onto the toilet tissue before wiping. Thank God I stared for a long time at the "implantation" bleed and recognised that it looked remarkably like tomatoes and thank God for Oregano

Oh my goodness pout I've just laughed out loud at your chilli implantation! Thank goodness for oregano indeed

pout chilli implantation has cheered me right up, thank you .

I've been in bed for a couple of hours but don't feel much better. I hate wasting a day off work like this. I think I must be coming down with something because I feel a bit shivery (and it's very hot outside) and I have a sore throat. Just what I want before a holiday. Oh well.

ladygee I'm not in the UK so we have to have ivf privately. We need to save up for it because we can't afford it yet which is a pita. I have to have a HSG before the gynae will try IUI and the hsg has to be done before I ovulate in a cycle but think I'll probably be on holiday during that time.

hahahahah Pout at Chilliimplantation gate!! People are asking me what is so funny and why I can't stop laughing...!! Quick thinking has been required ...i have always had a sneaky suspicion that MN would get me scalped. Anyway, Poor Pout! Who would have thought Oregano would be the hero in the story.

What is Raynauds ??

MRsd - i think i'm going for IUI next cycle. I'm not seeing gynae this month thank god. As soon as AF comes next time, I've got to go and get some gonoltrodin {sp] which I will have to inject. She mentioned it was the same drugs as you inject during ivf. I don't know why i can't just take clomid like most people during iui. I will have to check on the cost of these drugs as i suspect i'm being put on them because they're more expensive than clomid which was only £17 for 6 months worth. Has clomid been mentioned to you during IUI? In fact why does IUI have to medicated anyway?

I have noticed a few deadlines creeping in to my head - I want to be pregnant by the time the 10+months ttc thread is part 10 and I also hope to be up duffed by friend's 2nd and 3rd babies. I can forget their first ones. I should probably get these out of my head now as I have missed every deadline to date.

Evening,

pout I have to have smears every six months after having a few dodgy ones a while back. I think I'm actually going to wait until I change doctor, as I can't be bothered to drive 50mins for a smear!

I know what you mean about everything being on hold, I can't wait to give up work and be a mummy. I sort of can't actually imagine it happening now though, so would happily book anything in the future.

Once we move I'm going to really push for more tests, although it's quite possible dhs results will come back with something...

It's really interesting to hear you all talking about feeling down when you realise you aren't upduffed. I always assume I'm not, so don't feel any different, maybe I've just given up hope, maybe I need a positive attitude before we can fall?

pout that is so funny about the chilli !!!

at chillimplantation-gate . Though this could have had much worse consequences if we were talking chilli peppers, and if the loo roll had actually got to the wiping stage -oowwwww .

I agree with you pout on 10 dpo being the worst part. Though this month I'm on CD7, all set for shag-week ... And I'm not sure if I care. I will have the sex so long as I'm in the mood, but I am at the " what the fucks the point" stage.

I now can't ever imagine 2 pink lines, a pregnancy belly, giving birth, or anyone calling me Mummy.

Sorry, got a bit down there for a second. I need to sleep I think

Raynauds is related to poor circulation isn't it? I don't have that but do get very cold feet sometimes!?

nervousnelly yep that's how I feel I'm not temping orvanything this month, in fact I don't actually know what day I am!

Hi all. Wrote a long post last night and just before I pressed go my computer crashed :( story of my life at the mo.

You are all so encouraging!!! Even hearing that other people are miserable is encouraging!. I am surrounded by pregnant people, or babies or nieces and nephews, I know the exact feeling of wanting to shut yourself away, and also of wishing your time away. I'm in a rubbish job at the mo and the only thing thats been the distraction has been counting down to my next appt. to see if 'something' may have happened, however my body is stubborn! Not even a rise in hormones last month, let alone chances of anything else. If AF ever arrives I'm going on another cylce of clomid with all fingers and toes crossed. DH has a child from a previous marriage so we don't qualify for any other free treatment on the NHS which I think stinks!!! What about me! Sway from wanting to sue the NHS to thinking oh well tough luck.

Does anyone else find that the 'helpful' books out there are just a good way of beating yourself up and feeling responsible? I should be sleeping more, exercising less, drinking nothing, being serene and calm. In fact I think I should be turning into a dungaree wearing, organic eating, juice drinking hippee just to feel like I'm really making an effort and then feel guilty when I'm not. Is it me? Is it something I've done, or not done? Is it just not meant to be? And if not I sort of wish that I just knew that so I could get my head round it and completely rethink my future, rather than constantly living on tenderhooks and waiting in the hope that it may happen.

Well that's my rant over for the evening. Hit rock bottom with it all yesterday and slowly trying to pick myself up again. Just did a sum and 31 months of TTC ouch! First year didn't really count I guess as we had to be 'trying'' before we could get any help. The last 8 months have been the hard core carrot dangling investigations, but I'm finding that each time it doesn't work the harder I fall, and its leaving me shattered (that and the fact that I never seem to sleep!).

Rant really over now. Will pull my socks up and by more positive tomorrow :)

nelly I can't ever imagine those things either. It feels like something that happens to other people not me. DH is so optimistic that it really annoys me, I do not believe at the moment that it will happen for us eventually. I know what you mean about all those helpful books hillbillie, I still think they're written by people who have no idea how hard it is for long term ttcers.

joycep I'll be having clomid for the IUI. The gynae said that it was cheaper than all the alternative drugs and has been shown to be just as effective. I don't know if that's true but I don't see what she has to gain by not giving me an expensive one because I have to pay for it so I'm sure she would give me the expensive one if she thought it was necessary. You didn't get on with clomid did you? She said that it has to be medicated to ensure that I do ovulate and so they don't waste time and also then she has more control over the timing of it. Also, I think two eggs are more likely with clomid so a bit more chance. But if more than two eggs are produced they will cancel the cycle. For us IUI really is pretty pointless because after the washing there will be so few sperm left unless DH's numbers have improved dramatically. But I figure by placing them high up in the womb so close to the egg and just before I ovulate then they will be given the best chance so if nothing else it will give me a month off having to SWI.

karbea what is happening on the house front with you? Are you still looking for somewhere?
I can't believe you have to drive so far to have a smear. I bitch about a 10 minute bus ride!
It's weird although I've given up on ever getting pregnant I still somehow get sucked into the vain hoping. I know each month in my heart that it won't/hasn't happened but can't help myself!

Nelly I reached the "what's the point in SWI" stage this/last cycle but still I get the fear that if I don't have sex as much as possible sods law says that it was my month and I blew it. BTW wiping had occurred in the Chilligate episode but fortunately I had run out of chilli powder so it was a very tame chilli

Hillbillie My DP has banned any book buying on the subject of babies or upduffedness. I can only imagine how far removed they are from our reality of TTC.
I absolutely get what you say about almost wanting to know for sure that it will never happen. I know that it would be devastating but I really feel that I would grieve and then rethink my life and get on with other things. For me the worst part is the lack of control, the not knowing and the thought that I will be vainly TTC for the rest of my thirties and early forties.

mrsd are you feeling better today? Has your sore throat gone? I was thinking what cycle day are you on? I always get the chills before my AF and feel like I'm coming down with something.

I understand your reasoning about sperm being placed high up into the womb improving the chances of conception.

Joycep I wondered the other day about how many TTC 6+ Months threads I'll be on!

Have you been talked through how to self inject? Are there many side effects that you know of?

Morning all!

It seems a bit of a sad thread at the moment. Sorry to read that! I shall ignore pout of chilligate and proceed to cheer people up with baked goods! Here are some cupcakes (IRL I need to bake them tonight and ice them tomorrow; I am making these: www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/4434/romantic-rose-cupcakes).

Pleased we are making you feel less alone and encouraged hillie. I found that reading people have the same dips, irrational hopes etc makes me feel better, most of the time. And no need to pull socks up, if you need a moan, that is okay here too. But it may make the day pass quicker or more pleasantly if you feel a bit better about it all.

Total agreement about helpful books. Every time I foolishly enter the world of normal TTC-ers I get scared and worried. For instance one of them panicked me about clotty AF, which I have, but a bit of further googling told me that has got to do with fibriods, which should have shown up on the HSG, if I had them (correct me if I am wrong, I quite googling after this bit of reassurance).

mrsd the way I understood hormones and IUI, is that they can do natural cycle IUI as well, but that it has a lower success rate, because the egg can be pesky and stay put that little bit longer, rather than being forced to do its thing at a reasonable time by hormones. Also, I understood that the hormones that encourage egg growing also do good things for the follicle cells (makes sense really) and that in turn boosts progesteron.

Chilligate made me laugh out loud too. Thanks for that pout! TMI alert I did have some pinkish stuff this morning as well. No chillie or oregano in sight... I am not getting hopeful and googling implantation dates (I aready did and it would make sense with my current cycle length). Oh blood evil hope.

IUI sounds like action, joycep! What was you diagnosis again? I hope it works for you, but the more expensive meds time to ask about chlomid again, I reckon, unless you reacted badly to it before. I am sorry I keep on being confused about who is who and who is where!

Right, when is euro's HSG? Hope it was not bad and all was clear and beautiful! And yours mrsd, did I remember a pesky holiday interfering? And are you starting IUI straight afterwards? Really hope the few good swimmers your OH produces will go on to produce against the odds twins!

Good about the bloods skelly and you asked about turn around time for SA, didn't you? The fertility clinic told us they can do it in a day, but when it is done via GP you should count on a week at least. Hope you get your appoinment soon.

As to unexplained, at the moment I am back into the, it is good nothing is wrong mode. I do not have Raynaud's (had to google it) although my mum, who had the unexplained thing too, but then proceeded to have lots of us naturally after 6 years, has Raynaud's, so I would be curious about a link, even tho it clearly does not apply to us. The immune thing, I find difficult, did (too much ) googling around that, and the jury seems out, even tho a certain London based gyn has loads of success with it...

pout what is the status with your house? Have you found somewhere?

Nelly well done on lots of fun hobby things planned and thanks for making me feel better about alcohol consumption. I get so cross when people who have no idea about long time TTC are judgemental about those sorts of things! I still hate smears pout and karbea so much respect to you both for actually attending them. And especially with longer travels (mine is a 10 minute walk, I really have No Excuse).

And thanks to Nelly - of course I do not want a jayz baby - I actually really, really don't want that (even if it didn't involve SWI with certain person...)

Apologies for monster post with too many typos. I shall get some coffee into me now, that may help!

joycep Raynaud's is an autoimmune condition. All of the women in my family have it. Basically, when it is cold it looks like all the blood drains out of my toes and fingertips. I can remember in pre-oystercard days having to shove my purse at the bus driver so he could get change at because I couldn't feel my fingers at all. In past times it could be a serious problem because if you don't get blood to your extremeties for long enough, you can get gangrene, etc and lose fingers. However, in modern centrally heated times it is no more than a minor inconvenience. Mine and my mum's cold "dead" fingers used to freak my dad out! I had no idea that it could cause other problems until my acupuncturist mentioned it has been associated with reproductive immunology issues. Basically they think it can stop blood (and oxygen) getting to your womb just like it can stop blood circulating to your extremeties.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raynaud's_phenomenon

Lemon I am just back from my HSG. It was absolutely fine. And showed both my tubes were open.

For anyone still waiting to have theirs, I just want to say that it was undignified but relatively painless. The only uncomfortable bit was the speculum - and that felt exactly the same as it does for a smear. I didn't feel the insertion of the catheter through my cervix and wouldn't have known that the dye had been inserted if I hadn't seen it on the screen. The dr told me that she would be as gentle as possible as she had had the procedure herself and knew what it was like. And she was.

It was the most undignified medical procedure I have had though - there were two men and one woman in the room while I lay on the table naked from the waist down with my heels together and my knees as far apart as possible and one of them washed my underneathies with a swab. Eugh. And then they covered me with a sheet to do the actual procedure. Which I though was a bit pointless by that stage! I was more exposed than I have been for a smear, internal or dildocam. I'm not that prudish but it wasn't pleasant. And it seemed a bit unnecessary. I'm sure it's to do with infection control but it was grim.

But it's done now and my tubes are open so the result was good.

I hope that is implantation, Lemon. I think we are due a BFP on this thread!

Pout chilligate made me laugh. Thanks for giving us some much-needed levity on this thread!

Hi everyone, I'm still here still waiting on AF. I gave gp tomorrow to discuss ultrasound results and I'm going to ask what next step is. Original gp said we needed to have been ttc for 18montha which wouldn't be til January.

*have gp not gave! Stupid phone!

Morning all

hillbill sorry you are feeling so down. I've never given in to the temptation to buy any books, thankfully. I'd be terrified someone saw it in the house (TTC is my dirty little secret, or so it feels!); but I really don't need to be made to feel any more guilty! The way I see it, is this is how I live my life, and if I can't conceive this way, perhaps nature is trying to tell me something. In actual fact I lead a relatively healthy life - I'm slim, try to eat a sensible diet, only eat organic meat, exercise fairly regularly. But I'm not giving up wine, changing my diet, sleeping 14 hours a day, taking cold showers, etc etc. You could maybe do these things for a month, but I've already been at this a year, and some of you much longer. It would literally drive us round the bend.

That said, I do have one slightly alarming story. A (British) friend was living in the US about 8 or 9 years ago. She had problems (pains I think?) so saw the ob-gyn who said she had bad cysts on her ovaries. His words "you aren't used to the hormones we put in our food here, I suggest you eat organic meat from now on" . She didn't tell me if she was TTC at that point, but did change her diet as recommended, and now has a 7yo and a 4yo. And has no cysts. To be honest the UK won't be as bad, but I do eat organic meat, albeit that's more a welfare call than a TTC one :)

mrsden - the IUI has got to be worth a shot! I agree, you are helping the odds massively by getting the sperm in the right place! I now lie back after sex and try to will my cervix open . Sometimes you wonder how anyone ever procreates, when there seem to be so many obstacles. Is the pH of your fanjo right, cervix open, juice to help the swimmers along, are the swimmers strong enough, fast enough, is there an egg, are the tubes clear, is the lining good enough, can the sperm get through the egg, is the egg in decent shape - an on and on.

Lemon I await the next batchof cupcakes with drooling mouth! Only thing is, I'm not sure you should use my alcohol consumption as a model of good TTC behaviour, as you may have noticed a distinct lack of BFP from this direction . Still, at least my liver is getting in training for processing all the waste product from the baby I may be mixing up my organs

Sorry - some cross posts. It took me so long to finish my message it wasn't even morning any more!

Lemon I missed the maybe-implantation bit, fingers crossed. As euro says, we need it! Also glad you have now realised a Jay-z baby isn't for you. I posted this on another thread, but for your amusement (and because it's slightly related) I will re-post it here...

And now for a confession. Perhaps sex was on the brain a bit too much, but this morning as I was dozing, I had a bit of a sex dream. Only not the kind you'd normally want (you know, Brad Pitt wooing you etc). Oh no, in my dream I had decided that the best way to get pregnant was to have sex with lots of men, all of whom would look a bit like my OH, be very handsome and virile, and generally be HOT. Except the man I dreamt I was about to make the father of my child was the spit of the Austin Powers character, you know the fat red-headed scottish one. First we were kissing and he had horrible stubble, so I had to put a stop to that; so I clambered on to do the deed. He was - ahem- tiny, and it took about 2 seconds. I then (still in my dream!) realised that the whole thing was disgusting, jumped out of bed into the shower realised I didn't want my children to look like him, so wondered what would happen if I were to take my entire pack of contraceptive pills that are stashed at the back of the bathroom cabinet. and [blsuh]. Oh dear.

Please don't judge me. Firstly I am Scottish, so I'll be having a scottish baby when I finally get there, but I am really hoping it won't look like said character .

Euro I'm glad HSG was relatively pain-free, if rather cringe-worthy. Did they ask about the anti-b's? (It was you, wasn't it? I have read of lots of people getting a BFP after them, even if the tubes seemed normal, so fingers crossed for you too :)

Sorry you are still waiting izzy, that must be so frustrating. I would think that you could go back to your GP and insist they do something, not from a TTC perspective but maybe suggest you have some pain, or are worried about the lack of period.

Nelly yes they did ask. I lied. I disagree with their blanket prescription policy but legs akimbo with three people peering up me wasn't the time to argue about it!

I am lolling about your dream! If you're going to have a sex dream you could at least make it with someone desireable! Incidentally, once when I was abroad, I had a condom split and got prescribed the morning after pill. The pharmacist didn't have it so gave me a month's worth of what I think was the mini pill to take all at once. He told me it had the same hormone levels as the MAP. So I had to sit there with a big glass of water swallowing 30 pills. It felt very odd. If only I'd known how unlikely duffage was I wouldn't have bothered!

oh dear pout what unfortunate cookery inceident, I would laugh, but I once got chilijuice on my hands must have not washed them off well enough and...popped up to the loo to empty and reposition my mooncup. oww burny cervix. It Was Not Fun. So I can see how these things can happen, did laugh a bit at the 'ooh oragano, bit though, hahaha. sorry!

Mrs Den are you feeling better now? sorry to hear about your droppy day, I'm really clumsy so I spend my life dropping stuff and cleaning stuff, we have a stone floor too so I end up replacing crockery type stuff pretty frequently, I have given up on wineglasses now, we have plastic ones instead!

Euro glad the hsg went ok, although undignified, and fingers crossed for you having one of those post HSG BFP's that we hear of. I would have lied about the antibiotics too, theres no way I would put up with belly ache and the inevitable thrush if I had already tested neg for chlymidia! You lot have really reasured me that if I have to have a HSG it will be ok so thankyou , I have a bit of a fear of stuff touching my cervix after having ablation for abnoramal cells about 3 years ago, the actual treatment bit was ok, but after I had had it done some of the insidey cervix skin grew over the gap and made it really sensitive and prone to bleeding so I hate having it poked at now as it sometimes me feel sick, this makes sex rather awkward to say the least at times!

Euro I had a little look at the predisnone threat before and most of the ladies on there seemed to be having the treatment due to miscarriages rather than failure to concieve? can immune stuff stop the egg even implanting or is it only to do with the body miscarrying in early pregnancy? I'm sure I havnt been pregnant at all since was started trying. I think I might have Ranauds though, my hands and feet are always cold if I dont wear gloves and socks, I wear fingerless gloves to go outside most of the year apart from really sweltering days, they dont go white though so maybe I dont have it and am being all hyperchondriachy!

Biscuits good luck for your scan and trust you to be one of those sweetness and light no PMTer's I'll have to hope the next grad that pops on is a homonal nutter ly influenced person like myself so I can ask my pointless important symptom spotting question

Lemon Drizzle fingers crossed it was implantation for you, and the cakes sound yum!

Great that you have beautiful tubes too euro but sorry it was such a humiliating experience. In mine they gave me a towel to wrap around my waste from the changing room to the table, but it was the size of a tea towel. As I am blessed with child bearing hips, I found this did little for my decency. In the end, mine was a little bloody so when I left the table to change, the small tea towel had a better use... I didn't like mine, but I reckon the indignity was lessened somewhat by the gyn and the nurse both being female and very nice too.

Nelly your confession has made me laugh out loud :) I particularly like the changing your mind part and the actually very effective measures, if we can believe euro. On dreams, last night I was having IUI (too much time thinking about TTC I guess) and it was well traumatic, cos there were three follicles and thus risk of triplets. Most of the dream I was madly hunting for a gyn willing to inseminate me

How annoying Izzy! I am with Nelly on pain invention, because really there is something clearly not happening, which could be remedied

Poor skelly about the sensitive cervix, that is really nasty. I am sorry about that, and I can imagine it makes this whole TTC and investigations so much worse... On chilli juice, I once chopped some chillies and then popped a contact back into my eye with hands that clearly were not clean enough...

waste =waist (learn to spell!)