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TTC for 10+ months, part 3

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joycep · 22/08/2011 12:33

The other thread was just about to fill up and so here we are again with a slightly different name now as many of us have been trying for well over 12 cycles now. We had a few great successes on Part 2, with a couple of people getting bfp's on their 17th and 19th month of trying. So let's hope for more successes on Part 3. (Moaning, crying, sadness, anxiety & bitterness is certainly allowed on here!)

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mrsden · 24/08/2011 09:38

Chantelle is only 28 Shock. Please tell me ovarian failure is rare??

NervousNelly · 24/08/2011 10:17

Ah yes pout, it's weird that I've had implantation for ooh 16 cycles now. Wonder when the baby will actually appear?Hmm

Lemon I tend to count CD1 as the day I use a tampon (TMI). I suppose in theory it doesn't matter as I use the same "day" each month. The only question for me is when does spotting count in terms of LP issues? I start spotting at 11DPO normally so I guess it's ok, but I do wonder if it's an issue. I hate the fact I can never get my hopes up though. I always get really cranky at 7DPO too, which is annoying on so many levels. I don't see it coming, I just suddenly develop tourrets and as soon as I've shouted at another driver, my heart sinks as I know what that means - another BFD. So my 2ww is really only a 1ww which I find even worse.Angry

We stupidly ended up watching a prog on surrogate mums last night. I found it depressing but I think OH was enlightened, if a little shocked. For about the first time ever he spontaneously asked a question about next steps in our infertility journey - so I guess if it's getting him more engaged, that's a good thing?

joycep · 24/08/2011 10:27

Hi ladies, just checking in.

Popcorn - when do you get the results of your DH?s SA? I really hope they have improved from last time. We should be getting DH?s SA results soon too and I will be really interested to see if his results have improved or not. He also left it nearly 4 days this time. Alhough I?m not sure why we were told to leave it that long as it?s unlikely we would let it build up that much whilst ttc.
Welcome munki.
Well done on finishing your dissertation wine , it must be good to get it out of the way.
Interesting article Mrsd about Jules. Envy that clomid worked for her. Interested to hear she went to see Geoffrey Trew as well as I have heard of him being excellent. Chantelle has fertility issues because she was anorexic or bulimic wasn?t she?

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ladygee · 24/08/2011 10:37

Oh my, this thread moves at a pace! Hope everyone is well this morning.

Nelly I can totally sympathise with you on the spotting. Mine starts at 3DPO but everyone I tell (GP, fertility nurses) doesn't seem to think this is a problem... I just can't see how anything would have a chance of sticking if spotting starts that early? Lemon I think CD1 is full red flow but I'm never sure.

I had FSH and LH blood tests yesterday but I don't think we'll get the results (or the results of DH's second SA) 'til our next hospital appt in September so it will be a waiting game until then...

mrsden I don't know much at all about ovarian failure, I daren't add another obsession to my Googling list at the moment! I had a sneaky look at some articles about Jools Oliver and also came across Gordon and Tana Ramsay's story - he has a low sperm count and she has PCOS, they have three children successfully conceived through IVF and their last one was a natural surprise.

I know what you mean about the money side of things moving things along more quickly though. I guess we've got a few more hoops to jump through before we get there but it's good to hear about happy endings.

eurochick · 24/08/2011 10:38

I saw the surrogate programme too nelly. I thought the couple who got the baby in the story where they showed the birth didn't make enough of a fuss of the surrogate after all she had been through for them. I am sure they were terrified she would want to keep the baby or something so there were many emotions flying around that room but even so after all that pain I thought she deserved more.

I rarely spot before I start but when I do I count the first day of proper bleeding where I need to use a tampon as day 1 (same as nelly).

After spotting yesterday, my AF arrived properly overnight. Amazingly, the hospital was able to fit me in for my HSG at my first cycle of trying so I am have radioactive dye shoved up my woo woo next Thursday. I can hardly wait...

eurochick · 24/08/2011 14:19

BTW 10 month+ers, my mentally has reached new levels. I have found that I move to another set of doors when boarding my train if there are any preggards at mine so I don't have to suffer the ignomy of yielding any spare seat to them.

mrsden · 24/08/2011 16:05

lemon the gynae told me to count the first day with full bright red flow as CD1. My spotting is normally brown and then after a day or two of that it turns into full flow and is red.

You know when we all are eventually pregnant do you think we'll feel gloriously happy all the time? I wondered this today because my pregnant friend said she was in a bad mood and my reaction in my head was "how can you be in a bad mood when you're pregnant?". Because I think I've built pregnancy up to be the most wonderful thing that will make me so happy. Does anyone else know what I mean? Do you think it might turn out to be a big anti climax?

I've done a lot bit of googling on Chantelle (I didn't even know who she was until this morning) and she claims it is nothing to do with her eating disorder and she might have just been born with not many eggs. She'd had some ovarian pain so got it checked out and they ran hormone tests. It must have been a big shock for her if she wasn't even ttc to be told something like that. Especially when she wasn't even in a relationship at the time. I've just seen on the daily mail site that Amanda Holden is pregnant, I hope this one has a better outcome for her, it must be so heartbreaking to lose a baby. She is 40 though so it's interesting that it hasn't taken her too long to conceive.

In the real world, I still have ewcm today and my temp wasn't up this morning so not ovulated yet, DH isn't back until Friday and we last dtd on Sat so I don't think there is any chance this month unless I have a very long period of ewcm.

That's good news about your hsg euro although sorry about AF turning up. I'm waiting for my next cycle to book mine, will you tell me what it's like? I like your plan about avoiding carriages with pregnant women, that would add insult to injury to have to give up a seat to them.

eurochick · 24/08/2011 16:35

I for one am banking on being a right bad-tempered moany moo when I am finally duffed! Grin

On a more serious note, one of my friends who has suffered miscarriages gets v annoyed with another friend who gets duffed at the drop of a hat and complains about pregnancy. Her complaints don't bother me. It can't be easy to waddle about with a sack of potatoes strapped to the front of you and chronic piles however easy it was to get in that state!

poutintrout · 24/08/2011 16:41

Sorry that AF has arrived Euro. Laughing at you dodging upduffed commuters - we really are becoming a horrible lot aren't we! Good news that you have got an appointment for your HSG.

Ovarian failure was my big worry at the start. Chantelle is so young, how awful.

Mrsd I have little wobbles too about whether once I ever get pregnant that it will be this wonderful thing I've built it up to be. Lets face it, given all this hassle & effort there is a chance that we might feel a bit odd at the very least. We have also had months and months idealising the whole thing.

It must be normal to feel down some days if you are feeling ill with morning sickness or something. I think that us lot on here though might feel guilty for feeling like that given that we have wanted to be pregnant for so long. It would almost feel ungrateful if we moaned.

Sometimes when I get up in the morning after a bad nights sleep & feel exhausted I do think 'do I want to feel like this every day for the next x amount of years?' It quickly passes though after I have come too.

I had a dream last night that my nipples went massive and blue, like two massive black eyes & I was sure I was pregnant. I remember dreaming "I hope this isn't a dream". When I woke up I felt really disappointed. Does anyone else dream about being pregnant?

mrsden · 24/08/2011 16:57

I don't really dream about being pregnant pout, maybe your dream was a premonition Grin . I do sometimes wake up and I've forgotten about our trouble ttc and then I remember and it's like a big weight being dropped on me first thing in the morning.

You're right that we have had so long to idealise pregnancy. Also, we've been able to plan every last detail which is bad if it doesn't go to plan. People who get pregnant straight away have not had time to think about it all to the same extent. For example I was shocked that my friend who is 20ish weeks doesn't know what pushchair she wants. Not that I have one picked out of course Wink.

Karbea · 24/08/2011 17:23

loves lemon no af hasn't arrived, but I had a tiny tiny amount of spotting last night, so she is on her way, but hopefully I'll get another 25day cycle which is good!

NervousNelly · 24/08/2011 23:39

Ironically I feel the longer it's taking me to get pregnant, the longer I dread it. Probably because, in my boredom of endless 2ww's, I read other threads on here and think hmmm that sounds shit Blush. And was in M&S today,being run over by buggies everywhere, which made me get very cross, so now I'm wondering if I'm overcompensating by hating all things small and screamy Wink.

Though I feel proud of myself. When I heard about Amanda Holden, I was in the car and actually said "oh good" out loudGrin. I was genuinely happy for her and didn't feel even a tiny bit jealous. She's had a rough time and she really deserves a break this time Smile .

Just back from funny Edinburgh Festival show. Tired but wired (me not the show!) but better try and sleep now.

NervousNelly · 24/08/2011 23:39

The more I dread it. Must proof read moreHmm

munki · 25/08/2011 09:32

I was watching tv last night and got totally irrationally understandably enraged at the fact that there is a heavily pg woman in the new Furnture Village advert - WHYYYYY?? It's not even relevant!!!

I fear for my sanity. I am on cd 8, so in that illogically positive frame of mind because there might just be a one in a million chance that we manage it this month. Though I should really learn not to get my hopes up.

got a GP appt tonight, and I need to phone up for my day 1-3 blood results beforehand, but i'm too scared, after the horrible shock of H's SA. my day 21 was fine, I think (progesterone 38) so I assume I'm ovulating but I think I do have PCOS - hairy face, hard to lose weight, lots of diabetes in the family - if I'm ovulating anyway, how could it still cause problems?

Anyway any advice on what the 1-3 results mean would be v much appreciated.

Hope you're all well today

mrsden · 25/08/2011 10:01

munki My day 3 test showed that my LH was higher than the fsh and this can be an indicator of pcos. I had an ultrasound scan of my ovaries and this confirmed that there were cysts. It is possible for your hormone results to be ok though and to still have pcos so I would bring it up with the Dr even if your hormones are ok. My understanding is that pcos can make it harder to get pregnant because ovulation sometimes doesn't happen and cycles can be irregular which makes it harder to know when to SWI. Also with pcos sometimes ovulation happens late in the cycle and this leads to lower quality eggs. If you ovulate ok though then pcos isn't so much of a problem for fertility.

Ask your Dr exactly what you were tested for because I know it varies and some people have lots of things tested as part of the day 3. Also, if you're someone who likes to know numbers don't be afraid to ask for actual results unless of course that would make you google and worry more.

poutintrout · 25/08/2011 10:18

mrsd I think my dream was more to do with the fact that my waking brain is now so full of TTC that it is now spilling into my sleeping one Smile

I can't stand Amanda Holden but am pleased that she is pregnant again and really hope that all goes well for her.

munki I've noticed that pregnant woman in the advert too and wonder what the relevance is. I shouted at Kate Silverton on the TV this morning when she was ahhhhing over the swimming babies. I think I called her a smug pregnant and then remembered that she had trouble conceiving too and felt bad Blush

Don't panic about PCOS. I've got it mildly & my hormone levels are fine, I just had a few cysts show up on my scan. I seem to ovulate regularly and I think generally just have the signs of not dealing with insulin so well. Do discuss it with your doctor though.

I know what you mean Nelly about other threads on here freaking you out. I have spent so long idealising motherhood and in my daydream I won't have a pukey, screaming baby, covered in dog hair & leaving jammy fingers up the curtains. I know that the reality will be a huge shock. I know I will be one of those mothers who regularly meltdowns on public transport because somebody makes a comment to me about blocking the aisle with my pushchair.

eurochick · 25/08/2011 10:33

munki I agree with mrsden. If you are ovulating (and I understand that day 21 progesterone of 38 confirms you are) then PCOS shouldn't be a problem. I have PCOS (was diagnosed years ago and have unwelcome hair, skin tags, weight carried around the middle, insulin resistence) but I ovulate and no one has mentioned it being a problem for fertility. A lot of women with PCOS don't have periods or only very irregular ones which obviouslly impacts fertility. If you are ovulating and have a regular (or regularish) cycle that is not too long, you should be ok.

joycep · 25/08/2011 10:40

Just the talk of ovarian failure sends shivers through my spine. THis is what doctors were indicating to me last year after one of my scans. The worry was a great way for losing weight though - I lost half a stone in two weeks.
Pout - interesting about how we build pregnancy up in our minds. It's weird, I want nothing more than to be pregnant but I know I wouldn't be able to relax if i was pregnant and would fear something going wrong. Obviously everyone fears this but when you have taken what feels like an age to get pregnant, I can imagine that worry is worse. The whole thing just seems like an impossibility to me and a very long dark road ahead.

I was happy to hear about Amanda Holden and hope everything goes well for her. Hwever, this obviously doesn't say much about me but I immediately thought about myself after working out she must have got pregnant pretty much straight away. It doesn't actually fill me with confidence when people who are quite a lot older and have gone through a very distressing time can get pregnant so easily. It just highlights to me our problem. Blush. Sorry what a selfish witch I have become.

karbea - i hope AF stays away. My gynae told me last week, I shouldn't worry about my short cycles. 24+ is normal. That conversation was before I had a 21 day cycle though...

I've been feeling particularly on edge this AF. I had butterflies in my stomach all day yesterday and I suddenly relaised it was because a friend was emailing me and I am just waiting for her to be the next to announce her baby news. I get in these dreadful panics.

Anyway, trying to organise a December ski trip to take my mind off things!

Hope everyone else is ok.

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joycep · 25/08/2011 10:43

oh and I wish MN would remove that picture of that massive baby bump on their homepage as we have to look at it everytime I come on here. Perhaps I'm the only one who has noticed it but it annoys me everytime i see it!

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mrsden · 25/08/2011 11:02

I've noticed the bump too joycep!

Whenever anyone announces a pregnancy my happiness for them is based on how long they've tried, whether they've mc etc. That makes me a witch too joycep.

I think I'm pretty realistic about what it is like to have a child as I've had a lot of experience with babies but I know what you mean nervous about getting more worried the longer it takes. It's just that we have time to really think about it. One of my friends who got pregnant easily seems to be totally clueless about what having a baby means. She's booked a holiday abroad for when the baby will only be 6 weeks and she's even talking about having a holiday without the baby when it's 7 months (she thinks it will be ok because she says she will stop bf at 6 months so by 7 months she can leave it with her parents for a week Hmm ). I think she might be in for a shock because she really doesn't think a baby will change her lifestyle. Maybe she's right. Whereas I know that a baby will change everything, but I still want it so badly.

poutintrout · 25/08/2011 11:12

Joycep I understand what you are saying about not relaxing if you were pregnant. My sister has a pregnant friend who took ages to get pregnant and my sister was incredulous because her friend won't lift anything. I had to explain that when you take so long to conceive it isn't weird to be terrified of doing anything that might risk the pregnancy. I hope that I wouldn't be quite as bad as not lifting anything but I think the fear of something awful happening & the fear of it taking another eternity to conceive would be overwhelming.

You're not selfish about comparing Amanda Holden's situation to your own. It's okay for us to have these thoughts and quite normal I'm sure. That's the thing isn't it, I am so envious of pregnant women but I don't begrudge them it, afterall it isn't their baby that I want Smile Other peoples pregnancies are just painful for me because it reminds me of what I'm missing out on. Amanda Holden's pregnancy is just another thing to magnify your concerns and worries, it doesn't make you a selfish witch Smile

skeletonbones · 25/08/2011 11:31

Hello everyone,
hope everyones weeks are going ok, we have lovely sunshine here and I am trying to enjoy it in the way that prisoners enjoy their last bit of freedom before sentancing Wink my PGCE start date is looming and I am quite dreading it after talking to teachers I know about what PGCE year is like, ah well still a week and a half to go, lots of time to worry about it and sit on my arse on mumsnet get my house all organised and do my suggested reading.

Lemondrizzle no I'm not anywhere near IVF yet, but as a worst care scenario planner I have already decided that if dh's sperm results are really bad and we end up male factor rather than unexplained we would persue private IVF and donate half our eggs to reduce the cost. I also would really like to donate eggs if I could as I can imagine how heart breaking it would be to need donor eggs before IVF would work, as there is a shortage of egg donors (which I can understand,I cant imagine many women who were not ttc would go through injecting themselves every day, drug side effects and a general anesthetic for alltruistic reasons, especially if it was someone who hadnt had their own family yet- I imagine most donor eggs are from egg sharing where the woman is having IVF for male factor or when someone donates eggs for a family member/friend)

pout I dream about being pregnant regularly, almost every night I think. Earlier on in TTC I used to dream about having a bump, going into labour and scans now its alwasy POAS and getting a positive in my dreams maybe my brain has focussed on that more since I have started buying internet cheapies in bulk and I used seven of the buggers last cycle occasionally using them to confirm my pmt is AF arriving. Never dreamed about weird blue nipples though you might be unique there Grin

Munki I just had my day threes (apart from my doc suggested them on day one which makes me thing my levels might be a bit higher on day three looking at graphs...) anyway from what I can gather by googling and doing advanced searches on this board, the day three bloods are looking at your baseline levels of FSH and LH. FSH is the follicle stimulating hormone, this hormone should be found in low levels in a woman who is ovulating normally (at the begginging of the cycle anyway you get a spike at ovulation.) As a woman becomes older and goes into peri menopause (10 years or so before the start of menopause) these levels start to rise and then when menopause begins the levels rise again. ideally FSH should be less than 10 BUT higher levels have been found not to effect fertility in studies of women under 35 who had the same levels of live birth rate as their conterparts with lower FSH levels apparently so high FSH doesnt always mean that a woman is perimenopausal. LH levels should be around the same as FSH levels eg my fsh was 7.5 and my LH was 6.4. If there is a big difference in the levels it can indicate PCOS. there are reference graphs for LH and FSH levels on wikepedia so you can see if the numbers you are given by the docs fit into the curve.

Euro I avoid the buggy park bit on the train so I totally get your preg avoidance pick another door strategy!

Mrsden and Nelly and other pregnancy happiness ponderers I dont reckon that we will all be cheerfull for the whole 9 months when we get there as other life stuff gets in the way, but I think that people who have tried a long time trying are probably more stoical when it comes to the discomforts of pregnancy, when I was 18 and having eldest DD I was pretty ill and kept having to be hospitalised, and when I was in one time got talking to a lovely woman who had the same illness as me, she had sadly had a late miscarriage with her last pregnancy and getting pregnant again had taken a long time, she was now having twins and was so much braver than I was about all the blood tests,medicine side effecs, having an IV and so on, after a few hospitalisations I had started to insist on the numbing gel in my hand before having the IV in, this lady had had a trainee nurse trying to get her IV in without any numbing gell and was like a pin cusion but was completely brave about it, I really admired her bravery and hope that everything went well for her and her twins in the end.

I've also known people who have had horrible pregnancies due to bad stuff happening in their life at the time. My friend gets pregnant no problem, only has to look at a willy as it were, a couple of years ago she had two boys that she was raising on her own with no help from their dad who had sodded off abroad and had no contact and paid no maintenece, she started training to be a nurse so as to improve her prospects of earning a good wage to provide for her boys on her own and was really enjoying studying and getting her life in order when she met a bloke at college and fell head over heals, got pregnant on the pill(why do all us long term TTCer have friends that defy the odds and get pregnant on contracption/for one shag/still have periods and give birth unexpectedly?! its like we must have an uberfertile mirrorfriend!) bloke was initially supportive and then freaked at 20 weeks when the scan showed possible problems with the baby and sodded off, he changed his phone number and would not contact my friend, meanwhile her family who are not supportive types found out about the new pregnancy (she had been too scared to tell them) and fell out with her as they were disgusted that she was single and pregnant again, her landlord told her that he was selling the house that she was renting too so she had to find somewhere else to live. she ended up on anti depresants pretty much walking around in a daze for the last 20 weeks of her pregnancy, she said that if anyone asked her when the baby was due or anything about the bump when she was out and about she would snap 'none of your buisness' at them. I don't think I could have coped half so well as she did in the situation she was in, everything is ok now as baby was fine in the end (Dad never did come round though, he's seen the little boy once in the street and ignored her and him) and it makes me shudder on her behalf to think of how horrible that period of time was for her, I guess looking at her in the street though with two little lads playing up (as they didnt know what was wrong with mum and were picking up the vibes about the house situation and seeing her packing up boxes when she couldnt give them anything definate about where they were moving) and a big bump shouting or looking miserable and blank people could have thought she was fed up with her kids and being pregnant rather than going through all the stuff that she was. phew that was a thursday morning essay sorry! I think I have thought about this too much really as I do ponder this kind of stuff a lot, I should spend my time on something more productive than TTC obsessing really and go and do some reading and housework! Smile

eurochick · 25/08/2011 12:13

I'm justing popping back to comment briefly on one thing that is a bit of a bugbear of mine (I should be working so I will just wave at everyone else as I don't have time to check in with all the updates....). There is a common misconception that you shouldn't lift stuff in pregnancy because it might harm the baby. The reason you shouldn't lift anything heavy when PG has nothing to do with protecting the baby, it's about the mother. The hormones released during pregnancy allow your ligaments to stretch further (so the pelvis can open, etc.) so by lifting a heavy weight, the mother could pull a ligament. So it is not sensible to lift anything that is too much of a strain when PG. But if you do, it will not harm the baby. And bear in mind that non-first time mothers often have heavy toddlers to heft around.

It's like the food advice when PG - you are told what you should and shouldn't eat but not what the risks are and the reasons for the advice (which varies - heavy metals, vit A, listeria, etc). I find being given advice without knowing why it is being dished out irritating. It's like we are all expected to follow it mindlessly without making our own assessments as to what is right for us.

joycep · 25/08/2011 13:30

Pout - I have to remember it's not other people's babies I want, it is ours. Although sometimes i look at people's babies and think oh he is so cute, I wish he was mine...which makes me think I would be ok with adoption Confused
Mrsd - that's exactly how i weigh things up as well. The more time it has taken someone, the happier I feel for them. That's terrible but nevermind.
Skeleton - you're very brave doing a PGCE, good for you! I couldn't imagine starting a new thing now or going back to studying.
Euro - i didnt realise that about lifting. I think I wouldn't do anything just in case!

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NervousNelly · 25/08/2011 13:53

pout that's a really nice way to put it (ie when you said that after all, it wasn't their baby you wanted). I've oft repeated the line "just because they are pregnant doesn't mean there is one less chance for you" - both to myself and others; but your way is nicer I think :)

I am not too bad at general pregnancy announcements, and I agree I'm not a big AH fan. But I knew someone who lost her baby late in the pregnancy, and she was just devastated; so I really hope AH has a simple successful pregnancy this time. But I too can be a witch - it's more about the babies than the bumps as I get very judgy-pants. Some of it's obvious - smoking or nasty shouting/swearing in front of a child, for instance, but I judge even at the small things. If I see a small-ish child out with their parents at the shopping mall (which is rare as I hate those places anyway!) I tut and wonder why they thought their toddler would enjoy this, is it any wonder they are crying, why haven't they taken it to the park to play on the swings etc etc. You will all remind me of this I'm sure in about a hundred years very soon when I have come home with my own baby, angry because someone tutted at me for blocking the entrance to a shop with my ridiculously bulky and unsteerable buggy Grin. In my judginess I ignore the fact that sometimes you HAVE to go to the shops, and you can't exactly leave the baby at home with the cat! Though I do still maintain some people DO think their baby would like a nice day out at TK Maxx Hmm.

Oh and no surprise, it's CD1 here. Hey ho, onwards and upwards.

Skeleton that was a very long post! You'll have no problems with your essays Wink. My top study tip, if you can't get started, is to use a timer and reward system. So - I'll do 15 minutes reading. And then I'll eat cake/go for a walk round the block/watch 5 mins of Jeremy Kyle. Good luck :)