Shh! Don't tell anyone, but the whisky-sodden, foulmouthed, Silk Cut smoking, 30 something etc TTCers are hiding from babydust under a mound of wine bottles - come & join us!

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And there we go...

Shiny, winy (but never whiny) new thread!

Come on in then, settle down and pass the gin. No baby dust, no huns and no fecking glue, just lethal combinations of dodgy duty free and the confidence to use the word PERIOD required.

Hey Jewels

"...TBH your GP just sounds like a bit of a cow..." - LOL! Funny that, that was EXACTLY the conclusion I came to. Honestly, it's extremely easy for people who have their children and didn't have a problem to ignore those of us who are struggling!

Anyhow, I've managed to get an appointment with another doctor at the surgery and I'm going to try again and talk to her. But I have done a letter of complaint to put on my file against the previous doctor's attitude and lack of giving a shit!

As for the new corporate place - I had a meltdown and cried almost constantly out of sheer misery when they offered me the job yesterday morning, so I have turned it down. I figured my mental health was more important. Although, given that their previous 3 secretaries had all left fairly quickly because they got pregnant, maybe I should have gone there for a week or so just to sit in the lucky chair LMAO! So, the upshot is I've turned down a lucrative 6 month contract to stay in my far less lucrative temp job where I'm happy, but may only be here for another 4-6 weeks. What happens after that will happen, but I'm not giving up hope of (a) finding something nice or (b) falling pregnant or (c) both!

Here's hoping I get lucky at the doctor's next week.

Thanks for your long response. It was really appreciated, and I'm in a better frame of mind now (well, a bit, anyway).

Yeah all you others...where the hell are you?! I dunno...one little sperm gets jiggy with one little egg, and they forget about us! Pah!

Hey Hey girlies

desperate everything that the wise jewels has said! Your GP sounds like an utter bitch and should be told so (possibly in a more suitable term)

oh, and less of the fucking abandonment claims I posted on Monday to see how you bastards were and did anyone reply before Wednesday? did you bollocks! So shut up!

Now, more importantly, it's only bloody Friday! Wahoo!

MrWino and I have booked a holiday! Yay! We're off to Cyprus! Not been before so looking forward to that! 4 weeks and counting! My friends owns a travel agency and has got us a mega deal at a 5* hotel with our own pool non the less (it might be freezing and we can't use it but still it is ours to look at)

I have to go to a stupid hen do tomorrow, the bride has been such an ungrateful bitch that I really want to not go but as I ended up organising it I think I'm going to have to! Now, I'm not one for needing a lollipop or a sticker when I do something but a SINGLE word of thanks, oh I'm looking forward to it, it's kind of you to do this etc etc wouldn't have gone a miss. Miserable cowbag.

Now, jewels tell me more of this itchy bra? Is it the nips? They are a bonefided symptom of undoubtable pregnancy? (albeit one that we made up here)

How long into the 2WW are you? are we nearing POAS time?????

Hahahaha...morning dearest wino. It's the bipolar talking in my case - I have serious abandonment issues! When I turned down the job on Thursday I told Mr Desperate that I fully expected him to leave me. He looked at me as though I was growing an extra head and then told me not to be stupid.

A holiday sounds absolutely lovely! Trouble with me is I love the idea of a holiday, but the actual doing it, and then the wearing of a bikini (or even a swimsuit)...eeek! I'm pretty far from a skinny chick :-(

Sorry about missing your post...but on Monday and Tuesday I was at interviews - that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it so ner

I know just how you feel (about the ungrateful cowbag). I knitted a shit load of baby clothes for my sister-in-law for her new arrival, and I didn't even get a single word of thinks. I won't be doing that again. It's just ignorant not to say thanks. Especially ask they were all hand knits. I spent months doing them for her. Personally, I would have said thank you.

The whole idea of a hen do horrifies me...I have images of male strippers and stuff like that...bleurgh! Maybe I'm just a boring old fart?

Hi Ladies, is there room for a newbie? 41 and ttc my third, which if successful will be the third in three decades, what an achievement. The coil came out on Monday and have been advised to have a couple of periods before trying.. I can already feel the old symptoms of Aunt Flo's imminent arrival havent had a period for years!

Would love a holiday in the sun, best we are going to get is a couple of weeks camping. Ill take a mojito though, its always beer o clock somewhere

your doctors visit sounded horrible desperate as much as Im looking forward to the end result [if we are lucky] I hate the idea of throwing myself into the arms of the nhs again... my second was an awful experience, oh well.

Morning LastNameLeft. Welcome to the mad house!

Mojitos are wrong...meant to say that in my last post - a garden in a glass - bleurgh! I don't want to have to fight my way past foliage to find the alcohol! Bwahahahaha! Mind you, I'm more ya tequila girl really....mmmmm...tequila

Trouble with the doctors at that surgery is that every single damned one of them that I've seen so far has been the same way. It's like they just can't be arsed. What's the point in being a doctor and doing all that training if you don't actually care about people?

Mr Desperate is getting jumped on this weekend as I can feel the tell-tale signs of ovulation - maybe I'll get lucky this month? Mind you, I really felt we were in with a proper loud shout last month...hey ho.

I'm not sure I really want to ask this question, but what was awful about your second experience with the nhs? I'm sitting comfortably and swilling down a valium as we speak!

Hi Desperate and thanks

My second was an awful experience as I had an emergency section, the section carried out after they had induced me and the guy giving me the epidural got it wrong twice.. I just have vivid memories of being told to keep still while having contractions and sitting up bending forward, it was horrible!

Probably not the best story to start off with really!

Just out of interest how do you know when you are ovulating?

Eeek, that sounds horrific.

Erm, I can feel it. I have twinges in my stomach around the area of my ovaries...as I'm one of those on CM watch, I can tell by how my CM changes...and I get REALLY randy LMAO!

Cant be a bad thing if you are ttc then

No...but it's always when poor Mr Desperate is absolutely exhausted - the poor guy is currently working two jobs because we're so broke - yes, I know, it's probably not the best time to be TTC, but if everyone waited until they could afford it, no children would ever be born. AND I'm 45 this year, so time's-a-ticking!

Thing is though, even though we're broke, and I may be out of a job in 4-6 weeks (I'm temping), I'm not worried. Something will come up. I do feel quite positive. But then it's Mr Desperate who makes me feel that way. Nothing phases him. He's so laid back but a really hard worker. Oh, and tall, and gorgeous, and 14 years younger than me! What a RE-SULT!

He sounds lovely Mr last name is my second hubby, we married in August last year, 2 years younger than me so still officially my toyboy, not quite the gap you have though

Im working full time and so is he but we arent brilliantly off financially really, renting and want to buy a house together but cant afford a deposit yet so our circumstances arent great either.. same as you time is ticking away and hoping for the best, fingers crossed

He is pretty amazing. I've kissed an awful lot of frogs in my life...guess I may have just found my prince. He took his sweet time about it, but then I have to remind myself of the age gap. He's not the slightest bit bothered about it - and he cracked on to me (as my friend so delicately put it!). It was me who had the issue with it early on. Now it doesn't matter, but I do wonder how things will be when I hit 50 for example

Personally, I would NEVER have another mortgage. I've just gone back to renting after having owned my own place(s) for the past 16 years, and to be honest, I much prefer renting. Mind you, we've been living in this place for nearly 2 years now so it's nice and stable. It might be less fun if we'd had to move every six months!

I'm still here (just about!). Had my first antenatal appointment (group session to talk about antenatal testing) which was really quite depressing (probably hormones but the thought of all the things that could go wrong and all the decisions to be made freaked me out a bit - even though I know the risks are small). Still feel like a bit of a fraud - I suppose because I haven't heard the heartbeat, or had a scan, it's like there's nothing happening in there. I don't remember feeling like this the first time!

Desperate, your doctor sounds completely useless! If they are all like that, can you maybe change surgeries? I changed recently (I went on a recommendation from a friend) and I have found a really lovely doctor, which makes a massive difference.

Wino, a holiday sounds lovely! Esp on a crap, freezing cold and wet day like this. January sucks!

Hope your all okay? Fish and jars congratulations on your BFP's. When are you both due? I've been dated to 10th June now and am carrying a little boy .

Hi again socks. Congrats! Actually, when?s everyone else?s due date?!

My 2WW ends in a fail. I peed on a couple of early tests at the weekend (c 12/13 DPO if piss HQ is to be believed ? yes, I folded) and BFN. Bah. So I am feeling a little bit bluesy about it at the moment but at least now can get ball rolling with my bloods etc. Also is probably for best as I accidentally got quite pissed on a couple of occasions. Will behave better next month.

I have two TTC anecdotes to share from this weekend. One was my MIL (who is not known for her tact and with whom I haven't traditionally been very close) All the outlaws were gathered for a big wedding anniversary yesterday - my SIL is due imminently with #2, and my MIL asked how I was, told me she knew my due date must have been around now, and that she (who struggled to conceive her first ? mr j&b) understood that that was probably particularly hard in light of SIL. I was quite touched actually both that she was conscious of my timing and of the possibility that it might be a bit tough sometimes, and that she took that time. So, tick for ol' MIL.

Then I have a big fat cross for the annoying wife of an old, dear school friend of mine. I am generally quite tolerant/understanding of people?s scan/baby postings on FB ? I have been following the (many!) pics of their new born (also their #2) with real pleasure for them. But she posted this little beauty:

"I have reduced my risk of breast cancer by breast feeding for 15 months and counting AND I am raising awareness by posting this.

No games or silly codes. Let's actually do something about breast cancer, rather than passing secret notes about it."

I mean WTAF? How is your status actually doing anything about breast cancer other than just being smug? What about the people who for various reasons couldn?t BF and beat themselves up about it a bit (a la SIL)? What about all the people who would quite like the chance to try to breastfeed (a la me)? What would you like us to do with our ?rasised awareness? of our 'increased risk'?

Twat.

Anyways, what?s everyone?s else?s goss this fine Monday?

Afternoon Jewels. Gah, crappy news. Fingers crossed for this month.

Wow...BIG tick for MIL! That was actually a really lovely thing to say and really thoughtful.

And yes, "Twat" on the other one. Holy moly, as you said, how is that actually doing anything about breast cancer?

Housemate visited at the weekend. Her and boyfriend are moving back in in next month or so. She also said that they are going to start trying for a baby at the end of the year and will be getting their own place then too. If one more bloody person either tells me they are pregnant or that they're going to start trying to GET pregnant, I think I may lose my remaining marbles! And to be fair, I didn't have that many to start with.

I'm happy for her, of course I am, but I so desperately want my own. Although she DID have the cheek to say that 'time was ticking' for her, when she is 9 years my junior! The words "tell me a-fucking-bout it" were out of my mouth before I could stop them.

In other goss, I think my BBT thermometer is up the spout, cos my temps are all over the fucking place...so fertility friend doesn't think I ovulated this month, but I POAS on Sunday morning and lo and behold, a lovely smiley face...so one of them is lying to me! I'm blaming my thermometer.

Hoping the fact that Mr D and I got jiggy on Friday and Saturday will have covered it somewhat cos Mr D wasn't well yesterday and he won't be home until about 11pm tonight (and for the rest of the week) so the chance of any more jiggyness is VERY slight because one or both of us will be unconscious! (harrumph!)

Oh, and I tried that Pre-Seed stuff...Weird shit! Has anyone else tried it? Did it make yer fanjo sting?! :o It only lasted for a couple of seconds but it was a bit of "ooooo, I'm not sure about that"! And all that "it doesn't dry out or go sticky"...my arse it doesn't! And no, I didn't put it there, before you say owt!

Wotcha Snowbeetle welcome to the land of tequila and roll ups. Not that we're not seriously TTC and some of us are lucky enough to be up zee duff (though not me yet, sadly) but we don't do babydust or (as on page 1) "babyglue" - up comes me brekkie!

Firing tea out of your nose is positively de rigeur around here. You'll fit right in

A welcoming smile is lovely dear, but I think you probably ought to put a few more clothes on than just that!

OK, so I'm in a bit of a silly mood today. Someone slap some sense into me!

Well don't look at me - the breasticals wobble awfully with the force of a good side swipe whilst starkers and might take your eye out.

And that is the very reason I don't run for buses!!! Though Mr. Desperate came home last night and told me that when he was driving to work yesterday he got to the end of the road and was given an eyeful of a woman standing completely starkers at her bedroom window. Apparently the window was a big one, so he got the full monty! LMAO! Not really what you want at 6.30am on a Monday morning - at least that's what he said!

Crikey! Winder if he has looked at that window every time he has gone past since? I would - even if I didn't want to see - I just wouldn't be able to stop myself!
How are you today? :)

winder - wonder!

Hahahaha...well I should be working my ass off because my desk looks like a bomb site...and yet, here I am!

I'm feeling delinquent. My tea is going cold. I'm tired because I decided to jump Mr. Desperate when he got home from work at 11pm last night and then couldn't get to sleep afterwards...

How about you? How long have you been TTC?

OOOOooo a fellow prevaricator

I am not tired though I also had a tumble and molested Mr Snow last night it made me sleep like a log. Which is a good job as I am working hard today

I am supposed to be working on a uni assignment. Yup I am not only a mature ttc'er but a mature student too! Think I must get used to this matueeeuuureee word.

I have been ttc since sept so only 7 cycles but seems like an aaaage - almost forgotten what it is like to get jiggy only cos you're horny!

My fave moment of irony so far was when my period was two days late, sore boobs etc (I am like clockwork so this was a big heads up), I p'd on a stick feeling very much like this was a 'formality only' and wondering what I would do with all the stilton in the fridge. When it came back neg-a-tive
Then... literally the moment I chucked the stick in the bin the period arrived with knobs on! Someone was having' a laff with me!

So I am avoiding all sticks until several days late so I don't lose my marbles.