Fantastic 40+ thread - part 4

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Come on ladies - you know who you are .......

Ditto re lack of fornication here too but thats because I'm under consultants orders not to for at least 4 weeks. To my embarrassment when the cons said no swi/swoi for at least 4 weeks dh made a "sulky" noise , consultant paused whilst I tried my hardest not to give dh a "was that really necessary!" look then continued talking about procedure before I went down to theatre. I can laugh about it now though

Oooh diege and lou we're going to be virtual Aunties very soon (claps hands but will leave the skipping around to the likes of hippy gum lol ff but shandy italian and bb ) Waves hello to everyone else I have missed.

Oh good Hippy back to normal, you on boob watch and wanting to check you have not offended anyone! (RALMHO - rolling around laughing my head off!)

Diege hope all is well, say a prayer for me, please.

Angelgeorgie laughing about your Ant being so big he bops the baby on the head!

Hugs to all!

Meant shandy italian and bb can pass on the skipping due to italian stimming stage and shandy and bb being preggars.

Ha ha curly that's funny. Your DH sulking as you re about to under go surgery!!! Men!!!
Italian " seriously" that's what he said!!!
Men ; what would we do without them????
Love to all xxx

Glad I don't disappoint italian

OMG curly I think you did well not to bop him on the head Hope you are feeling better soon. Was the procedure a success/worth it all????

lou I will wear a disguise - you'll never know it's me ('til i open me big old gob!)

Bb any news??

Hi girls, just dropping in. Another over 40 ttc gave me this link about research in ovarian reserve. It is long and all scientfic-speak, however, I liked what they had to say. I copied this bit:

"Under such a concept unrecruited oocytes in primordial follicles, however, cannot age, as current dogma holds. As long as unrecruited, they have to maintain their original quality. Only once recruited and entering maturation do they risk "losing quality" if their maturation takes place within a poor quality ovarian environment. Since ovarian environments decline in quality as women age, aging women produce increasingly poor oocytes.

DHEA, therefore, may be a first restorative medication for aging ovarian environments, with others likely to follow. Other candidates have already been suggested: Based on loss of mitochondrial function with advancing age, Casper's laboratory in Toronto, Canada, proposed supplementation with the mitochondrial nutrient coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10). These authors demonstrated favorable effects on ovarian reserve in a mouse model."

here is the link if you want to read all of it: here

So basically they are saying, even after menopause, women still have something like 1000 under developed eggs, and given the right treatment, the eggs are still viable. The thing that got me interested was that taking DHEA can significantly improve your chances of a live birth - it reduces miscarriage rates and anueploidy(spelling??) rates. Very interesting for us older birds.

(Not that I'm TTC or anything....)

Well,my AF was a bit of a "blink and you'll miss it" affair. I guess my body is still trying to rebalance after the miscarriage? I don't know, but it has me concerned. I just hope I don't have Asherman's syndrome (catastrophise - me?Never...). I'm going to try to build up the lining with nettle infusions (that I drink) and red clover.

Lol are you still taking DHEA? How much? Did you get side effects? I'm wondering about whether to get some. In Australia you need a prescription, but I'm guessing I might be able to buy it online?

hi all. hippy fingers crossed that this is your month. italian I hope it all happens for you soon too.

As for me, I'm still feeling really dreadful. Barely functioning actually. had to go away with work this week overnight and it was awful. I sneaked away and missed the evening meal, but had to struggle through the rest. I'm going to go to the docs on Monday and beg for something I think. I feel a fraud because I'm not actually sick ever, just feel constantly sick. But I can't function at all at the moment. (sorry for the moan there!). Have told dh - had to - and he is being fine about it, now. letting me stay in bed, doing lots etc. Have also just told my mum which does make me feel better. Am not letting forward to telling work though!

Hello to everyone else. Sorry for the whinge.

shandy hope you are ok!

BB sorry to har you feel so rubbish - I truly know how it feels. I would def get to the GP; most will prescribe either stemitol or cyclazine. I've had both and cyclazine (for me) was far better. Totally understad why you told dh, and good that he's pulling his weight. Really hope you can get something sorted xx
Italian getting excited for you and really hope this works for you - you truly deserve it x
Hippy for some reason (maybe the boobs? ) I have a feeling it's your month, but I know my 'feelings' are a bit hit or miss . Keep us updated!
Gum interesting info' there and yes, very constructive too. How are things going?
Curly at dh...got to love him...good job he's not with me eh
Angel hope you're enjoying your pamper
Ok here, getting increasingly longer braxton hicks, which I suppose is normal for now. Am seeing consultant next week to confirm delivery plans, though judging by mini-diege's position (still transverse I think) it will be the knife for me if he doesn't move . Have given up with straddley ball-sitting with the spd so it's in the hands of the gods!

diege - I hope he sorts himself out and moves. It would be great if you could get a natural delivery. But the main thing is that he gets here safely (and that you send us all a pic asap) - so mainly I am hoping for a safe delivery for you and your lad.

Wow, we are gonna have 2 little babies in the snug soon - to join M.

i hope you're right about me diege - but we've all been fooled by our boobs before. They can disappear as quickly as they came. BUT, i did have a very high temp this morning - tryphasic or whatever the word is ???????

BB is DH with you at the moment then? i think i got confused cos I thought he had moved out (could just be me getting it all wrong). Anyway, great that he is helping out and allowing you lie ins (although they are of course his kids too so quite right that he helps out). Maybe this pregnancy will bring you back together. Hope your GP can sort out the sickness. Will you move back to B or stay in L?

Went for a fab walk on the beach at about 7pm tonight - watched the sunset and thought how bloody lucky we are to live here

Hi Hippy Ooh now triphasic does sound good. I've only ever had that pattern of temps when I've been pregnant. The pregnancy baton is waiting!
I totally agree about delivery - I personally think the whole natural childbirth thing can be overrated, but I am a little biased having been made to feel rubbish last time by my doula (unintentionally I'm sure), while receiving great woman-centred care from the apparently overly-medicalised hosp team...PLus an elective section has its advantages in terms of arranging childcare etc. So all in all, while Vbac still my favoured option, won't be pulling any histronics when I see consultant on Thurs.
Off to peel pots for roast dinner - had it all sorted with some organic skinned new pots that I could just throw in pan, but then dh brings a load of earth-coated ones from farmer's market
Love to all!

thanks diege. I do feel like AF is just around the corner but I do feel a tiny bit preggers too (my boobs feel like yours - haha remember that??)

Also i must add that even if i got the much coveted BFP - I'd be about 99% sure it was gonna end in tears - I am just so incredibly old now .

Anyway, what will be will be and italian is waiting in the wings to grab the baton - plus she'll have lovely young eggs

WOW Hippy I'm liking your temperatures!! Mine are pretty good too... no, I'm not pregnant - I'm sitting in a lemon tree garden in Pompeii

Diege this might sound mad, but my bf had terrible SPD (couldn't move at all) and a breech baby. My IM suggesting hot water bottle, not too hot, down below... apparently babies sometimes turn towards it - and frozen peas at the top of your bump. She also suggested visualising the baby turning, and talking to it.. Anyway, baby turned, and bf had a normal labour... anyway, it's worth a try!

BB so glad bean is ok. Hope you manage to kick your DH's arse into gear.

On the subject of arses LOL - I have never understood the attraction of ski-ing. It's cold and it's exercise. I mean, honestly! Your DH is an awful lot of trouble. I hope he is worth it, bu either way I would make a list of LOL-Needs and get him to start ticking them off...

Italian ((tight hand squeeze)) so excited... nearly there...

On the subject of donor eggs, have to say, having been in Spain in the Spring, I think, all things considered, I would go for a Spanish one... they definitely has the most gorgeous children, and best looking blokes in Europe.. mind you, Italy does the best pizza...

Love to all x

Come on, where's that famous Hippy-spirit!!! Stop this talk of old - even the glumest stats give as much chance of staying pregnant as not, so there really is everything to be hopeful for. I have boob throb by proxy which can only be a good sign

x-posts TTT! You're not really in Pompeii are you? Thanks for the turning advice - I'll certainly give that one a try- have a feeling he's still transverse, so not a massive effort to turn a quarter surely?

Hi all

TTT not to fear - have 'talked' it through with DP - we can't afford it, it will be v cold in December so not great for a 5 year-old, plus the friends want to ski all day and leave the kids in childcare, which is not what we'd want to do - so WE'RE NOT GOING. Yee Haaa. And next year I'll have the baby, won't I, so that means another reprieve .

Hippy hope your jammy dodgers are still doing their thing.

Diege I had that pelvis thing with DS2. OUch. It's a bit scary trying to get off the sofa, isn't it?

BB glad DH took it well and is behaving. Are you both ok? What's happening?

Shandy hoping you're fit and well and still taking one hour at a time.

Gum I stopped taking DHEA x 25mg daily when I asked about it at my clinic. They said that it wasn't worth it and might have side effects. That said, Curly I think you're on 75mg daily, are you not? You mentioned spots/hair, I think, but nothing major. I'm taking one DHA and Evening Primrose (called Eye-Q) but I'm now thinking of changing after reading that article you posted. Curly could you tell us what your consultant recommends re DHEA. I'm pretty sure my clinic and doctor will disapprove, but I'm prepared to take it in secret.

I'm desperate to try building up my lining - this month it was a little scant; the month before I had a 'flood' during my yoga class which was excrutiatingly embarrassing (there are men in the class). . It's a sign of perimenopause, I think. But if nettle tea can help, I'll drink the stuff.

Italian only 3 more weeks max. How exciting!

more google... forums.fertilitycommunity.com/infertility-support-forum/2020195974-dhea-poor-ovarian-reserve-ovarian-failure.html

I looked further in the research study and this is what I found:

• Patients took 75mg a day of Micronized DHEA (1 25mg pill per meal.) It must be micronized.
• Taking it with a meal that has a whole vegetable or vegetable oil increased absorption by binding to the veg oil.
• Original research studies concluded after 2 months showed little to no (major) improvement of fertility only slight improvement.
• The research study in this article and studies/patient accounts after this study showed women that took DHEA as prescribed above for at least FOUR months showed a threefold chance of carrying a healthy pregnancy to term.
• The women in the study were age 35 - 45 with FSH of 15 - 20. All women got pregnant and all but one of the women carried to term (19 healthy pregnancies)
• For the fertility treatment to work you must take the DHEA with a Gondotropin (as did all the women in the research studies) A Gandotropin is something like Gonal-F or Follistim
• DHEA has also been shown to dramatically improve sperm count, health and motility for men.

TTT you could be in pompeii or in scotland - we just never know with you - we are after all a bunch of dopey old birds . give M a big squeeze from auntie hippy. I like the idea of the hotty at one end and the frozen peas at the other - i can see how it would work - an't wait to hear how bloody uncomfortable it was for diege.

Interesting that the side effects of this DHEA stuff and the side effects of POSC are both hairy and spots- a link maybe???

italian you must be getting excited (and hormonal). Big hugs from me ((()))

Shandy - hoping you are hanging in there.

Well i am getting filled with stupid hopeful thoughts which I know i will be regretting in a couple of days when AF turns up and laughs her fucking head off at me. for the moment I am about 10 days post ov with no spotting, solid boobs and very high temps but i must keep reminding myself that i am also bleedin' 45 -

ps. i meant to say - TTT i love your comment to LOL :- Your DH is an awful lot of trouble. I hope he is worth it - poor old lol's DH. he is sooo never gonna meet you, he'd be too scared.

Glad to hear you're not going skiing now Lol - it sounds like the best plan.

pps. i'd like a little spanish embryo too but DH will only accept babies from his own testicles - bloody ego on him!!!

hippy hope all will go well for you. Keep watching those boobs!

TTT thanks for the hand squeeze.

Diege I?m very much not into the whole natural childbirth thing, I mean its great if it works and I am a big fan when it works but for quite a few people I know it was not the case and after all that can happen I think a great ?birthing? experience is the last of my concerns so I will do whatever seems medically best if I ever get up duff again! (And I did join the NCT when DD was born - and so read lots of birth stories of things going well and also lots of things not going so well!)

BB Hope all will get better soon.

Shandy, Angelgeorgie, Fireflies, gillyglops, lol, Panshe, Hopefulgum, Soothe, Hairy, Pocket, Curly, Jolls, Shandy, Tina and Mitzimaybe and Nicole.

Our news is that egg collection is next week, sooner than I was expecting so busy getting myself psyched up! Must dig out the Zita West tape!

italian -"You are relaxed and ready to be impregnated. Your body is a temple. You are a warm relaxed circle awaiting your embies" etc etc.... just incase you can't find Zeta. All the very best of luck to you.

Hi all
Glad all is well with you all. Italian good luck with the treatment. I know I'm struggling with taking loads of supplements and half gagging all the time. I have to psyche myself to take them and the Pregnacare designed for pg ladies is the worst.
bb I hope you're managing to get through each day. I've certainly lost my joie de vivre, everything is a struggle at the mo and I'm not allowing myself to get excited or say the p g word too much. I've yet to book in so it's all still surreal at times. I'm also having weird thoughts about how much do I really want this and am I up to the added strain it will bring. V strange, don't know if it's my body trying to prepare me or what.

angel and diege I admire you're strength how you're keeping going with all youve got on I know not. But hope you're relaxing weekend has helped angel.

Hi curly, hi boob watch hippy and TTt, fireflies, Nicole and lol.

Oh and gum, the one supplement I'm not taking is co-10 enzyme, drat, hope it's not too late.

Hi all; Shandy thanks xxx all you can keep doing is plod on.it's incredibly hard but what choice do we have?? Hope u feel a little better soon. Xxx
Italian fab news. Oh , not long now xx
Hippy how's them boobs doing? X
TTT glad you re doing well? Enjoy your holidays xx
Hope everyone is well?? Just returned from our lovely relaxing break at Thoresby Hall. It's like a break from the real world; fabulous.now got a week of AL lovely. I m struggling now; feel very tired, cankles are huge!!! And I feel like I ve got stitch under my ribs our GILS is huge!!!
Love to all xxx

Yes, we really are in Pompeii. We did the Roman ruins this morning with M in a sling. Would never have managed (us being old codgers that is) if M wasnt under 11lbs and breastfed; though the over cast day helped. I'm just sitting here, trying to figure out where to go next - went to Sorento on the Amalfi coast this pm - but it is too posh for me - I am definitely not a yummy mummy... so thought maybe up into the mountains??

Hippy little silent prayer for you - I know you are 45, but my gran had her youngest at 46, and we all know it does happen - and if it is going to happen to anymore, just desperately want it to be you

Shandy you hang in there girl. Try not to worry too much about coping. Go google the reiki prayer for me... I think it says: Just for today, I will not worry... I think the rationale is that worrying is like using our mental energy to draw bad things upon us... not sure I believe that, but I think it's true that when you focus on positive stuff you feel better. How far along are you now?

Italian so, so excited for you. (jumps up and down) We've all been dreaming of this baby for so long, it hardly seems real that you're about to harvest the eggs.

LOL TG for that... now there's an incentive to get up-duffed.

Lou glad you had a good holiday - nearly Oct now!

Did anyone see the Facebook thread in Conception. I'm a bit of a FB addict, so culdn't help but click on it on my way in here.. It says FB is for smug-parents and smug pg people to show off. Isn't it insensitve to harp on about your pg and kids. Isn't it awful to post your scan pictures? To announce your pg on FB.. Oh well, I did all of that.. ha ha... and I posted them on my blog too... It just seemed a shame to me that people can't take pleasure in other people's good news. I was always pleased to hear friends were pg when we were trying. Sometimes FB does throw up painful stuff - llike C's friends starting school but I wouldn't expect other people not to post stuff just in case it offended me...

Anyway, off for more pizza - love to all x