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Fantastic 40+ thread - part 4

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hippychick66 · 15/06/2011 20:13

Come on ladies - you know who you are Grin.......

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hopefulgum · 23/08/2011 14:44

Hello ladies, just dropping in, though will probably say too much, despite thinking I shouldn't start talking about this because right now I'm an emotional wreck - not much new there I'm afraid!

Yesterday I phoned my Doctor's surgery to see if she had any luck finding my test results, and the receptionist gave me the lab's number so I could chase it up myself. Eventually I got through to the right person who told me they had results from the January miscarriage - that they tested the placenta. I was so upset to think all this time there were test results, but they wouldn't give them to me - only the doctor. Apparently they were sent to the hospital, not the doctor's surgery. Then I was told that the June miscarriage pathology couldn't be completed because the contents were too old - the hospital hadn't prepared the stuff properly and it had broken down too much to be tested. But, my doctor had talked to them, and they were going to do "fish" testing - which can look for common abnormalities, but will not give us the whole picture. My Dr might have told me this, but didn't. Anyway, those results should be in by the end of the week, but I'm not holding my breath.

I called the doctor again today, and she told me the results from the placenta (in Jan) were no different to what I'd already been told:"products of conception".

But none of it seems all that important now, because when I was discussing all of this with my husband, and talking about seeing the Specialist fertility guy in the city, he said,"even more than before, I don't want to try for a baby". He obviously does not feel the loss like I do.

Lately our darling 3 year old has been hard work. He's been having a few tantrums, and not settling into bed at night. So it hasn't been easy. I suppose I've also started back at work and my little boy is now going to family daycare two days a week, so he's more tired than usual. But it is obvious to me that my DH isn't enjoying him. So when he said that tonight, I wasn't at all surprised, but still, I feel incredibly disappointed. As much as it hurts to say it, I think I just have to accept that I can't have another baby.

I wish I'd never had the original desire. It's just brought up so much hurt, with the losses. I feel that the only way to get over the losses is to have a baby, but I know I'm just going to have to find another way to work through the grief.

So, now I need to decide whether to cancel my appointment with the specialist. I have to give 48 hours notice so that I don't have to pay. I feel it will be a waste of time and money because I'm not going to ttc.

I think part of the problem is that I've spent about 2 years thinking, living, breathing ttc, so letting that go too will be really hard.

I'm not saying good-bye, because I want to keep up with what everyone is up to, but I think I have to give up ttc.Sad

AngelGeorgie · 23/08/2011 20:48

Gum hugs xxxx hope u cone to a decision you re happy with. Xx
Curly I d be the same as you have to try everything/ anything possible,
Lol enjoy your chilling x
Hi all long day at work 11 hours of looking/examining fannies and cocks!!! Funny old world ????
Sleep well all xxx

Pocket1 · 23/08/2011 21:25

just wanted to send a hug to you gum. xxx

Curlylox · 23/08/2011 22:00

Gum ((((((()))))))))
Angel seen one seen them all eh!? Seriously are you oblivious to the sight of all genetalia? Sorry had to ask Grin

AngelGeorgie · 23/08/2011 22:30

Pretty much Curly they all look the same!!! Wink

Italiangreyhound · 24/08/2011 00:32

Gum I hope you can come to a decision you are happy with. You do have so many good things in your life and I hope you can re-find your joy in life. TTC can become overwhelming and overpowering and it is so hard. You have my sympathy and I do hope you can find the closure on this that you need at the right time.

Italiangreyhound · 24/08/2011 00:34

Angelgeorgie Hugs to you. A day looking at genitalia! What an interesting job for some, but maybe if you've seen one you've seen them all!

Hairy How are you doing?

Hippy how is it going?

Pocket Hugs.

lol, Curly, Diege, Jolly, Isaboo, Nicole Mitzimaybe and Alba hi to all*.

Today heard about something called mini IVF

www.fertilityfriends.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=236334.0

www.berlin-baby.co.uk/infertility/therapie/ivf-in-vitro-fertilisation/mini-ivf

and

www.ivfinturkey.co.uk/infertility-treatment-abroad/mini-cycle

The sites I found above are all in different countries and I am NOT recommending the clinics at all, just showing you to show what it is. Just thought it was of some interest. Especially the first which mentions a woman of 49 who got pregnant with her own egg!

God Bless to all.

Italiangreyhound · 24/08/2011 00:42

Lol are you going for IVF lite??

Tina what?s the latest?

Fireflies How?s it going?

Panshe How are you doing?

Italiangreyhound · 24/08/2011 00:42

Shandy How is DD?s tooth? My daughter?s tooth came out one day as she wrestled not to go into the shower! I think it was loose anyway!

Tank thinking of you, sweetie.

Hugs to everyone and baby dust.

AngelGeorgie · 24/08/2011 07:04

Hi Italian that's my job!!! I m a specialist sister at a sexual health clinic. It's like any job often very routine ; same old , sometimes I see some interesting cases. Hope u re well?
Hi all xxxx hope it's going to be a bit cooler , too hot to work!!! X

panashe · 24/08/2011 09:25

hello all Smile

I just wanted to send my love to gum You are in such a difficult position and I guess having the mc makes it so much harder. Not quite the same but when my dp talked about leaving tcc for a couple of months because of ss I said but I should have been pregnant, twice in fact & then you just feel robbed.

I think sometimes men just don't get it. A ex of mine dp was pregnant & he really didn't want more children so he booked himself in for a vasectomy. She went on to mc and days later he went ahead with the vasectomy. They ended up splitting up, she couldn't forgive him. It's funny though because I had a relationship with him for nearly two years and didn't give it a second thought about having a baby, and now here I am at 42 tcc Hmm

hopefulgum · 24/08/2011 13:11

Well, this journey is definitely drawing to a close. My DH is not going to change his mind, despite my distress. I know for sure I have to move onto another part of my life. It's hard enough grieving the miscarriages, but now I must also wave goodbye to my fertility etc...That's hard.

I feel so sad, but I know that time will hopefully heal.

I do hope everyone else gets their happy ending.

Gum x x x

Italiangreyhound · 24/08/2011 13:26

Gum I'm sorry it is so hard for you at the moment. I do hope we all have a happy ending but that may not mean us all getting another baby. Please do not think of yourself as not having a happy ending. You have a wonderful family, and a hubby who loves you. I know it is tough but try not think of your 'ending' or your family in a negative way. I do know it is hard. We have tried for 5 years to have a second child and this is our last shot. If this fails it might be adoption or fostering or nothing else. But I never want to think that my life is not a happy ending. Part of coming to terms with our own limitations is accepting the way things are. I think you have given it a great try and it is just a fact of life that as we get older it gets harder. I really hope you will find peace about this. All the best.

TinaO99 · 24/08/2011 14:25

gum I think Italian put it beautifully but I sympathise sooo much with you, my dh is behing me but doesn't want me to go any further with ttc other than maybe 1 attempt at IUI if it becomes possible. I know this is more to do with the fact that he wants me to face the possibility nothing will come of it but to think you may never have another baby is really hard to adjust to. I wish you all the best and at least you have your 3 year old, handful or not lol.

Italian I'm still waiting for a copy of the damned letter from the consultant to my dr so i can make an appointment to be referred for the laparoscopy. He said he was writing it last Tues - don't they realise how anxious we get over these delays!!!!

on a more fun note dh and i are off to chester for a naughty weekend this week. It's also my time to ovulate so lots of BDing Wink

hey to everyone else hope you're all ok :-)

AngelGeorgie · 24/08/2011 15:45

Oh Gum I hope u find peace. Life certainly is a rollercoaster and not all good. It's very difficult but sometimes we have to accept life doesn t work out how it should
( we know that better than anyone!!!) but on life's twists and turns there is still happiness to ve found: a different happiness but still.... Take care xx
Tina hope things start progressing soon. Hope everyone's ok? Love to all xxx

lolfactor · 24/08/2011 20:06

Enjoy Chester, Tina Wink

Angel are they REALLY all the same? You must have seen some strange shapes and sizes...go on, tell!

Gum I think I know how you feel. I suspect I will go to the clinic tomorrow and be 'told' that it's over. And I'll have to accept it. Dp is trying to hear it/feel it before it happens (so that he doesn't run away again) and it's such a huge thing. I'm not surprised by your story, Panashe. That vasectomy must have seemed like an act of betrayal.

Feelings run so high. I'm not sure if mine are connected with worrying about moving onto another stage in my life - one which I'm not ready to embrace. I keep looking at people in their mid-thirties and thinking I'm in their gang - but I'm not. I'm with the wrinklies and I need to learn to accept it. No amount of beauty flash balm and gym work is going to change it. Every mum seems young and perfect and every baby looks beautiful and it just compounds my worries.

BUT.....Carla Bruni is pregnant with her second child (age 43), plus we still light a candle to Cherie Blair in the morning (gave birth naturally age 45). I keep hoping that I get pregnant and my age becomes the least of my worries.

lolfactor · 24/08/2011 20:10

BTW Italian I'm going to CREATE in London tomorrow - hoping they'll give me some good news about IVF lite (or mini IVF). I loved your links. I'd checked out the New Hope Clinic in the US a few months ago and think that Create is the nearest thing to it that we have in this country. Wasn't it sad to read about that woman going on the plane to get IVF in New York, only to find she'd ovulated on the plane so they couldn't harvest the egg? I've got a better chance in London (I'll be sure to catch the fast train and splash out on a taxi at the other end Grin

Curlylox · 24/08/2011 20:22

lol looking forward to a blow by blow account of your appt at CREATE tomorrow.

AngelGeorgie · 24/08/2011 21:58

LOL good luck tomorrow xx
I could tell you but I ' d have to kill u after!!!Wink
Just read Ananda Holden us 3 months pregnant again. Lovely news she's 40 and suffered a late miscarriage and stillbirth so hopefully there's hope for all xxx

Italiangreyhound · 25/08/2011 09:00

Lol I must have missed something are you now back with your ex? Good luck with your mini IVF lite! Sounds like a milky drink!

Hugs to all.

Italiangreyhound · 25/08/2011 09:01

Hippy , Angelgeorgie, Hairy, Pocket, lol, Curly, Diege, Jolls, Nicole, Tank, Fireflies, Mitzimaybe, Panshe, Shandy and Tina, - hi and hugs and baby dust to all.

Went for our clinic appointment and it is all sorted. We?ve got our donor, we start soon. I am excited. Officially. Freaked out by all the drugs. But excited.

Curlylox · 25/08/2011 13:00

Fantastic, what wonderful news Italian - I'm ecstatic and excited for you Smile. Can't say I feel the same about my impending op Hmm

10000fireflies · 25/08/2011 14:21

OMG Italian. W-O-W! That is really exciting. GOOD LUCK!! What protocol are you on?

Lol - how was it at CREATE? We need a full account!! As for not feeling/looking young ? I know what you mean. I worry that if we are ever successful I will be mistaken for Granny at the school gates. But I?m going to slap on as many anti-ageing products as I can get my hands on, apply the factor 50 religiously and keep up with the hair colouring for the time being and try to get to the gym more often. BTW, can anyone suggest a good pube dye? It?s the one area of my anti-ageing programme which is letting me down......

Yeah Angel. Spill the beans..... As a professional fanny-inspector you are surely in a position to be able to confirm they?re not all quite the same..??!! I?m going to a life drawing class on Saturday. As a professional, have you any tips for what a mere amateur should be looking out for??!!

Tina has your GP got off his arse and done your referral? And have you packed your best undies and accessories for your naughty weekend?

Gum- so sorry to hear your DH has called time on things. Did you go for the appointment with the specialist?

We had a BFN on Saturday, which was a major disappointment. Even with better embies than last time, I only held on to them for a week before AF appeared bang on time. The bitch!! And that was with all the extra supplements and increasing the Progesterone. At least we have a frostie, but I am wondering what next, whether another round of IVF is the way forward or whether we need to do any more testing along the chromosome line. I have joined The Infertility Network, and as a premium member you can put your queries to a panel of experts, so waiting to hear what they have to say. I am all too aware of how much money fertility clinics make which makes me generally sceptical about their advice and I?m not sure how impartial it is. Fertility treatment shouldn?t cost so much. What amazes me is that a round of IVF with the NHS costs the same as with The Lister. The benefit of going with The NHS though is that you can get free investigations, but I don?t get why a round of IVF and the medication is the same price as at most private clinics. The OFT should be made to look into it as I am sure there is a price-fixing racket.

Curly - don?t go getting all worried about the op. I?m sure you?ll be fine.

Hugs and waves to all. xx

hopefulgum · 25/08/2011 15:11

Fireflies, so sorry you got a BFN. I hope you get the help you need, and a lovely new baby soon.

Great news Italian! Fantastic!

Fireflies, I cancelled my appointment today. There really is no point seeing the fertility specialist when I'm not going to try for a baby.

This past couple of days I think I have cried my body weight in tears. Should be thinner at least!

I know I'll be alright. I've already starting thinking about things positively and have listed all things baby and fertility on Ebay. I just have to have it all out of sight and out of the house.

I think I had been pushing aside my grief over the last miscarriage - by reading every book I could find about miscarriage, having all those blood tests etc, I think I was delaying the grieving, and so as well as grieving over my loss, I also have to grieve the loss of trying to conceive, and the possibility of another baby, which kind of spurred me on.

Anyway - thank you for all your support. I'm hoping I can continue being positive and will drop by to see how everyone is.

Lol - how was your appointment?

Fireflies - I can't wait to get my hair dyed - had been putting it off while ttc. Now I'm going to get all the grey hair covered.Yay! I won't bother with the pubes. I don't think you should either. I wouldn't want any nasty chemicals down there. Maybe get a Brazilian instead? OUCH!

OMG, I just realised I have to think about contraception - the last thing I want to think about, and frankly, probably won't be wanting to have sex either - feeling a bit upset with my DH. Not his fault obviously, but annoyed and sad that he doesn't want to go ahead and ttc...Sad

TinaO99 · 25/08/2011 16:50

great news Italian!!! really pleased for you; Fireflies no he hasn't yet - waiting on the consultant sending the letter to my GP :-(

as for best underwear - all mine is minging, might have to invest in a few new things from ann summers or equivalent Grin and by the way forget the pube dye how about a mirkin?? LOL