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Freak Out Room For Those Newly Updiffed After M/C Part VII

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Blackkat · 05/06/2011 14:30

Just found out you are pregnant after a previous miscarriage and too nervous to move over the to pregnancy boards? Freaking out about spotting, cramping, symptoms (or lack there of) and nervously awaiting your first scan? Here is a lovely place for lot's of support, hand holding and problem sharing.

Courtesy of owlbooty here are the Ten Commandments of the Freak Out Room.

  1. Thou shalt check thy knickers to the point of insanity until the baby actually arrives.
  2. Thou shalt also check the loo roll post-wipeage (sorry, gross, I know)
  3. Thou shalt bore thy physician and midwife to tears with the mentalling.
  4. And thy husband/boyfriend/family/neighbour's cat.
  5. Thou shalt obsess over the absence of symptoms.
  6. And the presence of symptoms.
  7. And the fluctuation of symptoms.
  8. Thou shalt pee on a vast number of sticks and keep ClearBlue and First Response in business.
  9. The day before any scan extreme mentalling is permitted without recourse to the Haddock.
10. Self-diagnosis with Dr Google is Forbidden.

The Haddock will be applied liberally to all transgressors.

See here for the previous thread

OP posts:
ladybird33 · 08/07/2011 10:43

laylasmummy hope all goes well at the gp and you can get the reassurance you need. x

harrassed you poor lovely, you have really been through it.
I have read through the thread about your Mum which sounds really hard and upsetting for you - I hope you have found the advice that people have given you reassuring and helpful (although I know it can't make things better sadly). Try to let your Mum's nasty comments wash over you - remind yourself it's not really her talking - it will be so difficult I know, but you don't need any more upset right now.
Why is your dh never home? What is his fight? Will he be home more after that? Could you ask a friend to come over one evening so that you're not alone?
It is very unfair of your work to make you feel bad about being pregnant - they must realise that this happens the whole time in every workplace?! This is not your problem. They are legally obliged to allow you time off for mw appointments etc and also to hold your job open for you I think (can't remember the details but I'm sure there will be loads of info online). They are just going to have to get used to the idea.
DD's tantrums should be the least of your worries but I know from personal experience how exhausting and upsetting they are - I must say that I am letting DS get away with a lot at the moment - discipline is slightly going out of the window, but this is only a short time in the grand scale of things, so personally I would say just do whatever it takes to make your life easier.
If you can practise building up a really thick skin to protect yourself from your Mum's comments, work comments, dh's absence and your dd's tantrums then you may find things a little easier... If you can find the strength to build up your defences then hopefully you can protect yourself a bit. I know this is a very big ask when you are feeling so vulnerable after 2 mcs this year and you shouldn't have to be in this position, under so much stress. Hopefully someone else on the thread will be able to recommend mc counselling - it sounds like it could be immensely helpful. In the meantime, try to get all the support you can from friends and family who are close to you and don't feel bad about asking people to help. You are NOT a failure you are an AMAZING person for dealing with all this. Hope you feel a bit better soon. x

CollieandPup · 08/07/2011 11:51

Harassed, poor you my lovely. It sounds like you have a lot going on, no wonder you broke down last night. First of all, I am so so sorry to read about you mum. What you must have been through with her sounds so worrying and difficult. And to still not feel like she?s back to herself must be very hard, especially when all you want is to have her to lean on. I really don?t have any knowledge of the illness she has had, but from the replies you have had on your thread it doesn?t seem impossible for her illness and behaviour to be linked. If like you say, she wasn?t like this at all before, its seems unlikely to be due to just getting older, with it being quite a sudden change. But I suppose it still could be that she hasn?t come to terms with her illness and recovery. I?m really not sure how you could tell. You could confront her about her behaviour, but that would take a lot of strength on your part, and or course if it is down to her illness you might regret raising it. Perhaps you could chat with her about her illness and recovery separately, to try to get a feeling for how you think she is coping with it. From that you might be able to deduce if she is bitter or angry about it still. If it makes you feel any better though, like lara my mum has also made some comments I could have jumped on her for. When I first told her I was pg (maybe a week after I had poas) she said ?well I won?t get my hopes about this one?. The only thing that held me back from snapping back at her was that my Nan (her mum) had passed away that week so I gave her the benefit of the doubt and put it down to that. But like laras mum she also takes great joy in telling me how I?m never going to get any sleep and how hard things are going to be blah blah blah. She is forever telling my DH to stop ?spoiling me? ? by which I mean making my dinner when I?m tired after work because I?ve not been sleeping etc! But I think if she stopped to listen to herself, she?d be mortified. I know she wants the best for me, she just sometimes has a funny way of showing it. And she?s not even 55 so age has nothing to do with it!

Please also don?t beat yourself up for breaking down last night. With everything that?s going on, its hardly surprising and don?t forget that your hormones are all over the place to. Do you lurk on the grads thread? ? a couple of people over there were just yesterday talking about how they keep having emotional breakdowns. I also remember in my last pg, I had a really difficult meeting with some managers. They were just being really difficult, challenging and not listening. All in a days work for me really, but when I came out, I cried in my car. The fact that your dd is looming makes everything worse. When is it? Mines next weekend and I found it really got to me a week or so ago. I think that, combined with other things going on at the time (neighbours huge bump, colleague giving birth, fact I should be on mat leave, 20wk scan and the reminder of what dachs went through) just made it feel all the worse. Do you have plans on your dd as a distraction? We have some friends staying. Part of me is glad, but also part of me feels a bit guilty.

Not having any dc, I don?t really know what to suggest about your dd tantrums, but I think lady makes a good suggestion to perhaps just take it a little more in your stride, at least until the next few weeks have past, your dd is no longer looming and your dh is back at home. Little girls (and boys) occasionally tantrum. I am sure she is fine, and you are a great mother.

I think your dh being away most nights is just another added pressure. Are you also worried about his fight? Is there anyone else you can call upon for support? A sibling? FIL? Friend? One of your older Children? Have you talked to him about how you are feeling ? apart from last might when you got upset. I think perhaps you should. He needs to understand and maybe he can do more ? even if he can?t be around in the evenings, maybe he can do some of the ?chores? you get left with to at least take the pressure off you? Just for now at least. At 16 wks I am pretty sure I was still knackered all the time (to be fair still am) so you need to rest.

And work!!!! Very Angry at your work. Treating you differently, putting new and added pressure on you and being difficult etc because your are pg is discrimination and is illegal see here If you feel you can you should challenge you boss or speak to HR. Either that or let it ride over you and take a new approach to work.

Re counselling. I can?t remember know who has had it. I know mummya did and she spoke very highly of it. She?s in the common room. Why not post in there and on the grads thread? I think it?s a good idea. I know all the people who said they had had it, spoke highly of it.

Right, where are you? At home? Get your feet up and rest woman!!! OK, epic post over!
lily think of you. Hoping everyone else with worries is doing ok.

harassedandherbug · 08/07/2011 12:09

Aw thanks girls

I don't know where to start!!!

I'm at work today, but it's a very boring spreadsheet I'm glued to so not exactly tiring, plus finish at 3.

lady dh is an amateur boxer, but also does the training too. He's generally out 5 nights a week, but has a fight at the end of August so is on a daft very restrictive diet and training every night/day but has promised not to effect my preg yoga classes. I'm not really worried about the fight tbh, he's pretty good and it's only short rounds although not too happy that it's no headguards and 16oz gloves. But he'll be ok. His trainer wouldn't let him do it if she didn't think he was up to it, she's brilliant.

collie I am HR Grin, amongst many other things! It's a very small company, and I'm joint second level after the MD. So it's a bit difficult. I do also take it all personally as my parents owned the company for many years, which prob doesn't help.

My dd is 11 Aug. But with my bf due at the same time it's kind of rubbing it in if you get what I mean.

lara you're right, it was the timing of dd's tantrum, rather than the tantrum itself. Lets face it, if I can't cope with a tantrum after 3 dc's then I'm rubbish Grin. I'm very good at ignoring, but she was really screaming so I put her in her room. Stupid move really. She's only a light little thing, but it was a stupid thing to do whilst preg. And then gave me tummy pains which freaked me out. In truth I think that's what led to the arguement with dh...... we both panicked, and then everything kind of over spilled.

Thanks for letting me get it all out....... The main thing is dh and I hardly ever argue, so it feels like it's really awful when we do!

CollieandPup · 08/07/2011 12:26

Chuckled at myself for telling you stuff you'll know better than me and for suggesting to talk to yourself!!! Grin I can imagine working in a small company is so much more difficult. And even more do if there is a history. But, if you are in HR you should be leading by example. It doesn't change the fact it's wrong, in fact I think it makes it worse. But I can see that challenging the MD might not be the easiest!

3pm finish sounds good. Treat yourself some something nice. Maybe ice cream for you a dd? Xx

LaraandLittleBean · 08/07/2011 16:42

Just seen on another thread that it's Cep's birthday today... HAPPY BIRTHDAY LOVELY LADY...

Did you mention you're going to Chiquitos..? If so then enjoy!

hairylights · 08/07/2011 21:39

Just very quickly sharing my nt scan measurement - 1.37 yay! Waiting for bloods, but so far low risk based just on the scan :)massively relieved.

Weeny was movin around lots, flipped onto his/her belly etc, we saw the arms and legs really clearly and the heartbeat is still there ... Measuring 13 weeks.

And I have got a little bump! :)

pigletmania · 08/07/2011 22:37

wow that is fantastic hairy Smile

Freezingmyarseoff · 09/07/2011 00:26

Very quick message to say

harassed. Big squeeze for you, sounds like an awful last couple of days but sometimes breaking down means you have to face it all & sort things out rather than just keep on coping. Horrible to get to that stage but when you look back on it, it is a positive thing in the end. Hope that makes a liitle bit of sense.

lily been thinking of you today (well yesterday). Take good care of yourself

cep Happy birthday - bit late I know but hope you had fun.

Waves to all xx

cep · 09/07/2011 07:56

morning ladies,

Thankyou lara and freezing for the birthday wishes i had a nice day and yes i went to chiquito's. I really enjoyed it, but made the mistake of having a starter then she brought nacho chips and dip, which as we were having a combo starter came with nacho's anyway. I was stuffed half way through the main.

harrased i'm sorry you're having a tough time at the moment, I hope you're feeling a bit better today. I second collie it's illegal to treat you differently due to pg. I think with your mum (although i have no personal experience in those things.) you're going to have to think that she just doesn't realise what she's saying and how she's saying it.

collie i'm a bit Confused about the not spoiling you, does she think dh is going to stop helping when baby gets here?? As to the meals, when i went off on mat leave i cooked and froze loads of meals so we could just get one out in the morning and dh could warm it up, as ds always wanted feeding when we were eating, regardless of what time it was we ate.

ladybird33 · 09/07/2011 10:13

Hi everyone,

Harassed hope you are ok x

Hairy great news about the scan! Lovely to see the weeny one wriggling around so much! :)

Cep glad you had a lovely birthday and lots of delicious food!

Collie I completely agree that your Mum is being very unkind with her comments - from what you say it sounds like she is just saying things without realising the effect she is having on your fragile mental state. I would really try to ignore her - it is up to you and your (by the sounds of it lovely and caring) DH how you decide to share chores / spend your time and none of her business. By the way, a conversation that comes up again and again with my friends is how grandmothers have very selective memories on bringing up babies. The first type are completely scaremongery (like your Mum) about how difficult it will be with no sleep, screaming baby etc but don't forget that their generation usually had no help from the father at all, had to use cloth nappies with often no washing machine, and generally very different treatment all round, so no wonder they found it hard! She probably wants to prepare you for the big upheaval in your life, but really there are kinder ways of doing it! The other extreme is seeing things through very rose tinted glasses - examples: you slept through the night after 4 weeks (rubbish), I weaned you when you were 2 months (rubbish), you were potty trained from 9 months (rubbish) - my advice? Smile sweetly and ignore, ignore, ignore!!! By the way, I agree with Cep that cooking and freezing food is a brilliant thing to do with some of your days of maternity leave before the birth. Or, if you can't face it (or if someone wants to give you a nice present) there is a brilliant company called Cook (loads of shops in London or they deliver nationwide) which sell all different kinds of delicious frozen home-made ready meals (not full of junk like supermarket ones) which you can cook straight from frozen - we lived on them after DS was born (and also in the weeks before when we were too knackered to cook)! See: www.cookfood.net/
Phew sorry about the super-long post!

Hope everyone has a lovely weekend!

lily06 · 09/07/2011 16:52

Afternoon ladies,

Harrassed I'm really sorry to hear your story and that you can't get the support you so need from your mum. I do think the illness is probably to blame for a lot of it but that doesn't make it any easier for you to deal with. Hope you are doing ok.

Cep Happy belated birthday, glad you had a lovely time.

Hairy brilliant scan news, so pleased for you.

Didn't go very well here yesterday. Went for the cvs but they couldn't do it. The placenta is low and in a difficult spot. The only place they could try was exactly where the scar is from my ectopic and its too tender for them to touch let alone press or insert a needle. They had four attempts with different states of bladder fullness and we were there a full 5 hours. At one point I just sat and cried. It was all supposed to be over with by now and we should have been able to get our results on Monday. I'm booked in again for Thurs next week just in case the placenta has moved a bit, but I'm really in two minds. The whole ordeal was so unpleasant and they have offered me an amnio instead at 15 weeks. My head is telling me to wait for the amnio, but I'm so worried about what will happen if its bad news and I will be almost 16 weeks when I find out.

Sorry for the long mememe, hope everyone else is ok x

ladybird33 · 09/07/2011 17:58

Oh Lily I'm so sorry you had to go through all that yesterday. You poor love. I'm not surprised you cried during such a horrible ordeal, I would have been a wreck. I wish I could help you with the decision on what to do next, but it's a really tricky one. What does your dh think? Do you think you can find the strength to go through it on Thurs just in case it works and stops you fretting for another couple of weeks? Don't forget that there is still a 95% chance it will be ok - try to hang on to that. I know you have to decide based on the worst-case scenario, but give yourself a bit of time to get over yesterday and maybe try really hard not to think about it at all tomorrow (I know almost impossible). After a couple nights sleep you may feeling clearer in your mind about the whole thing. In the meantime big big big ((((hugs)))). x

cep · 09/07/2011 19:55

lily i'm sorry it didn't go to plan yesterday, i definately would have cried as well, glad dh was there with you. hope whatever you decide to do is smooth sailing for you.

mamarara · 09/07/2011 22:22

Evening ladies
lily I am so sorry to hear about your NT measurement and what sounds like a really awful experience at the hospital. It is so stressful for you, I hope everything turns out ok for you.

And harassed sounds like you have had a shocking week! Hope you can put your feet up and DH has realised he has been unreasonable. Dealing with your mum as well must be a real stress.

Happy birthday for the other day Cep :)

And great news on scan hairy!

All fine on the Rara front. Nothing to report which is nice.

shellshock7 · 10/07/2011 10:24

Morning Smile

Sorry to hear about the bad times people are having, hope things start settling down over the next coupla weeks x

Quick question - went out for a meal last night and could not resist having the steak, and I like mine rare...is the only problem the risk that its not good steak and you get food poisoning???

pigletmania · 10/07/2011 13:50

Awwww big hugs to you lily that sounds dreadful Sad, I am dreading my NT scan on Thursday

Big hugs to you too harassed too, you have been though a lot Sad

milkyways · 10/07/2011 14:53

Hi everyone! This thread moves so fast!

collie Fab news on the scan - very happy for you!

willitbe I hope you are doing well. You're in my thoughts x

lily I'm sorry things didn't go well at the hospital. I really hope things will work out fine for you.

harrassed I had my first post-mc counselling session last Wednesday. It was actually something I should have done a long time ago, but didn't realise until things had gotten too much for me to handle. One of the first questions my counsellor asked me was how the mc's had affected my relationship with my husband. I hadn't even realised that the mc's were affecting us as a couple. She has given me a few things to try at home in regards to talking openly about the mc's as that is our downfall - I really recommend booking an appointment and just talking about the mc's with a stranger who can give you advice without any preconceptions about your life. In regards to tantruming DD - my DD is 3.8 and jumped on my lower belly last week after getting over-boisterous playing in bed. It scared the hell out of me, but the baby is fine. I've found my daughter is constantly wanting hugs from me since I got pregnant and if I don't do something her way, she will cry and cry until I give in. I think children realise when something is going on and try to seek extra attention? That's how I feel with DD sometimes. At the moment I am just trying to keep calm with her as much as possible, but I do snap - and my counsellor said that is totally understandable. I'm not trying to condone getting angry, but we are human, and with the added stresses in our lives it's acceptable to get angry or breakdown and cry sometimes. Hope you are okay.

hairy great news on the scan!

Waves to everyone - hope you're all well and enjoying the sunshine!

lily06 · 10/07/2011 17:42

Milkyways I'm really pleased your session went well. It's something I thought about for a while, so its interesting to hear your experience.

*Shellshock" I'm sure I read that rare meat is ok as long as it is sealed well on the outside, and is a 'cut' as opposed to a product like burgers or sausages - its to do with where the bacteria come from / get to. I like my steak rare too, in fact, you've just helped me decide what I fancy for tea!

Piglet What day is your scan? I'm sure it will be just fine. We can't all be unlucky - so perhaps your result will be really great and will statistically even things out with mine! Keeping fx for you.

Cep and Ladybird thank you so much for your kind words.

Mamarara pleased everything is going well for you.

I've decided to go ahead on Thurs and see what happens. I'm going to tell them to give me the local anaesthetic as soon as they have found an entry point and hopefully that will be enough to get through it. If not, then at least I've tried. Poor DH doesn't know whether he's coming or going. He's been very caring and keeps telling me to do whatever feels right for me, but I know he just wants to find out asap, as do I. I was also supposed to be sitting exams on Thurs/Fri this week, so will have to cancel them now and take them at xmas instead - the last thing I should worry about really I suppose.

Sorry again for the mememe - we haven't told anyone in RL so its such a relief to be able to talk to you all on here and your support and kind words mean so much.

aMuminwaiting · 10/07/2011 18:59

Well I'm back on mumsnet. Lost my third baby seven weeks ago (7 weeks pregnancy) and still waiting for the results. I'm also waiting for the results from the karyotyping done on my husband and I. I had two miscarriages before that; 11 weeks and almost 22 weeks. It's taken six months after each to get pregnant again but am currently four weeks pregnant. I threw up hot bile around the time of implantation and have woken up each night boiling hot. I'm desperate for morning sickness! I've only had nausea with the others and want this pregnancy to be completely different. I'm on progesterone and aspirin. This has to be it!
I feel the same as everyone must on here, that pregnancy is a VERY long haul and way too much can go wrong in that time. I hate going to the loo because I'm petrified of seeing blood.

pigletmania · 10/07/2011 19:14

Hi lily my scan is on Thursday so i am a bit scared, had bleeding two weeks ago, and had a scan at EPAU and everything was ok, just some old blood on the outside of the sac. How are you feeling? Is it tomorrow that you will have the amnio.

pigletmania · 10/07/2011 19:16

Oh no amuminwaiting fx for you, that is awful big hugs to you. I have had 2 MC in early pg, and am pg (12 weeks) with this one. at 11 weeks I had some bleeding and went for a scan at EPAU and all was well. But you lost one at 22 weeks, my goodness, you just worry until the baby is born. I have a dd aged 4, and she was textbook, concieved after a month, fantastic pregnancy, healthy delivery, but after that ttc for a dc2 well just goes all wrong.

starkadder · 10/07/2011 19:58

hi everyone

Lily - how traumatic for you; hope tomorrow goes as well as it can do.

muminwaiting - poor you!! I think you are in the right place on this thread :)

shellshock - the reason you're not supposed to eat rare steak isn't exactly food poisoning, it's toxoplasmosis. See here for more details. Some people are immune to toxoplasmosis but many aren't and if you get it in pregnancy it is quite bad. BUT the chances of getting it from rare/raw meat are much higher in burgers/sausages etc, not in good quality steak, so I wouldn't be too concerned.

ladybird33 · 10/07/2011 20:48

Hi everyone and a big welcome to amuminwaiting, it sounds like you have had the most horrendous time over the past few years. I really feel for you. Congratulations on your new pregnancy - I have everything crossed that this will be the one for you. Join the knicker-checking club on this thread and please feel free to obsess away here to your hearts content! In the meantime - you know the deal - just take it day by day... also - get a really thin duvet - it has changed night-time for me!! Btw, what is karyotyping?

milkyways I'm so glad you found the post-mc counselling helpful, it sounds excellent. Completely agree about getting angry, in my case with my DS - I try to be patient with his tantrums, then often eventually just snap. I then feel so guilty that I have been horrible to my beautiful child because of these ones inside me which might not even make it... he doesn't even know I'm pg yet and am hoping it won't cause massive issues for him...

lily I'm glad you've made a decision about the CVS. I really, really hope that everything goes well on Thursday and they can do what they need to. Don't worry about the exams - if there is a possibility of you doing them at Xmas then it sounds like you are completely right to take that option. You have enough to think about right now. x

piglet I also have my nuchal scan on Thursday this week. I have been quite calm about it so far - although desperately wishing that time would go quicker. I predict I won't get much sleep on Weds night - as for all pregnancy risks, with ID twins the Downs risk is higher than normal.... really want to get the tests over with.

aMuminwaiting · 10/07/2011 21:00

Thanks everyone. Karyotyping is where they examine my and my DH's white blood cells to check for abnormalities. They are testing the sac from my last pregnancy too. But the other babies were not examined.

I've been going au naturale since the night sweats started but I'm still waking up a lot (not helped by screaming kids next door and car alarm going off all the time down the road...and this is supposed to be a nice quiet village!) I've got moving to keep me busy in two weeks so hopefully I'll stop obsessing for what? two seconds?!

Ohhh I really want a crispy cake now.

aMuminwaiting · 10/07/2011 21:02

PS I was only due on yesterday so am only four weeks. I was wondering if I should book in to see my GP here or just wait and start this pregnancy off with a new surgery when I move? I would rather do that because the medical staff here have been no help at all but am worried I'll get told off when I move for leaving it until I was nearly seven weeks (if I get that far).

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