I am jolly well going to get pregnant this month and I'll brook no argument.

[allhailtheaubergine]

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Hello - you are all looking so glowing and practically visibly pregnant this evening.

Aries - thanks for steer re Magic Baby Computer - I wonder how it will get on with my mad cycles? Over last 5 months, cycles have ranged from 25-35 days with ovulation scattered around between day 15 and day 20. Will have to see.

Bloofer - as mentioned above, I sometimes have a stupidly short cycle but sometimes also stupidly long for maximum convincing myself I am pregnant time. At least you have less time to wait between goes (although obviously this will be your last go as you are pregnant).

Aubergine - Luteal Phase = the time between ovulation and the first day of your period. It should stay fairly constant between cycles and be ideally at least 11 days long (think average is something like 13 or 14). Basically Luteal Phase = 2WW. Unless you are me in which case Luteal Phase = somewhere between 8 and 13 days with no apparent rhyme nor reason (hence blood tests this morning).

Oh it's you who mentions Luteal phase, not Bloof. Sorry. Getting in a muddle. Preggo brain eh?

I like Bloofer's x-posted luteal phase summary better than mine. How long is your LP, do you think, Bloofer? I do wonder if I have been getting updiffed and it just hasn't had a chance to implant properly before my body turfs out my uterine lining, but havan't ever had even the faintest BFP so this may be optimistic. But I have had what I am convinced were implantation cramps a few times (although could have just been AF on the way). But obviously this month am pregnant anyway. On 7DPO now... am sure incompetent uterus will manage to cling onto both lining and embryo this month.

Aubergine - you are so pregnant you might as well go out now and buy a pram. I have never seen a clearer case of baby brain .

I was just thinking I preferred yours, Love - much more scientiffic!

Hmm, because I stopped TTCing for 3/4 months I am a bit out of practice (must try to remember what hole it goes in tonight ) but I think I used to get the thumbs up from the shag dictator at about day 11/12, and my period on about day 24.25. It's not calamitously short, but a bit shorter than ideal. I too wonder if I've been diffing and not seeing it through, especially when I've had odd bleedings after a lifetime of clockwork periods. The worst month - and that was the month I decided to give up for a bit because my brain couldn't take it on top of everything else - I actually had a foul metallic taste in my mouth, and actually couldn't drink TEA for days, then had a late period. I am fairly certain that was an mmc. Well - I say fairly certain, obviously it more than likely wasn't, but you can see why I would think it was!

Thankfully of course that will be the last month that happens to me

I can definitely understand your suspicions, Bloofer. I think it probably happens a lot without people realising. Suppose is yet another pro/con of early testing - is it better to know you may be having chemical pregnancies in that you can discuss with your doctor etc or is it more painful to know it's happening but not sticking? Why us? Mind you, I am an early tester and haven't had even a sniff of a line so I am probably imagining the whole thing. But this is our month. I have not stopped drinking in 2WW so it must be.

Bloofer I also seem to have quite a short cycle although I have no idea about the luteal phase bit as I can't seem to get the hang of the OPKs. Thanks for the explanations though because I wouldn't have known one before if it had hit me in the face.

I will be confirming around 26th too.

aubergine the snafi pumps blood to the right place. It doesn't happen automatically, needs encouragement, but enables DH to stay hard for a long time. I think it is supposed to work for men with both psychological and physical problems. DH gets stage fright and has been known to booze too much. Anyway has transformed TTC into much more fun.

DH has just snaffled his snafi so although last night's fumble was definitely sufficient and I am certainly pg, am going back for an insurance shag.

Hey bloofer. my cycle is almost identical to you. Ov cd 12-13 af cd 25-26. Though I have had as short as 21 days before. Stragely when I was temping I seemed to ov on the same cd no matter how long my cycle is, even if it really short!

I to sometimes wonder if the difficulty I have getting preg is just that my little egg hasn't had the time to get comfy before womb emptying.

B Vitamins, that's what you lot need. B vitamins (100mg) and Anus Cactus. It's definitely called that
Apparently they help those who are luteally phasedly challenged.

Sorry for resorting to tongues. It won't happen again. I didn't know what else to call the SDBC (TM)-giver and didn't want to name her by name as she wouldn't like it. More apologies if this means nothing whosoever to anyone whatsoever. I have been doing accounts all day and have just had to phone the bank (God Bless Co Op bank) with such a mind bogglingly thick query that the man on the phone laughed at me My brain is mush. IS that a symptom?

Bloofa dearest, I hope that your sojourn to darkest Essex is productive and you are looking after yourself

Oooh, Aries, this is my first month on 100mg vitamin B6 so we shall see. V excited in anticipation of longer luteal phase and of course ensuing pregnancy. Have heard mixed things of AC and doctor was a bit iffy about it so holding off for now.

How are all the pregnant ladies feeling tonight?

It seems fellow would be diffas that some of us have the same short cycle ishoos. Mine are odd, one month is better than the other. My witch doctor acupuncturist says I have kidney yin deficiencies (what?). I usually ov on the same day. Sometimes I find taking my temp reassuring & then other times it drives me mental.

Love & Bloof I think like you do that sometimes my egg just doesn't have time to get settled then my progesterone levels drop and whoosh it gets chucked out

bloofer I have a short cycle but doc gave me progesterone for 10 days a few days after ov and this extended my luteal phase to 14 days. She hasn't given it to me this month as said my endometrium was perfect (top of the class me) so apparently thinks I don't need it.

Ladies, I have to thank you all for giving me a good laugh over the last couple of days reading this thread, I'm loving the positive POSITIVE attitudes!

I'm on cd 26 of a 27-28 cycle, I use opk strips and got a positive for a surge on cd 12. I have no symptoms of anything, but then I haven't done for any of the 6 months we have been TTCing for. I'm ancient, (38 in a couple of months) and trying for #1, but I think this may be the month - I'll tell you why....

Our flat has been on the market since Feb, we had an offer but it fell through because they thought we had damp. We had it investigated and it seems it's not damp, it's actually a burst water pipe. So what's the problem? The problem is that the pipe is embedded in a concrete floor (it's a basement flat) and it's looking like the whole floor in both the living room and the only bedroom is going to have to be broken up to get at it. It could also prove rather expensive and wipe out a large chunk of our savings we wanted to put towards a new house... DH is so strung out about it he can't sleep (although it hasn't affected his, ahem, performance)

So..... it really couldn't happen at a worse time! It's inevitable that THIS is the month the egg will finally stick, when our flat is uninhabitable and we spend all our money fixing it up, don't you agree?

That's interesting jebel - didn't know there were drugs to be taken for such ishoos. My hormones have all been tested and i seem to be OK - the perplexing and infuriating thing is that all the tests come back clean as a whistle, so I kinda feel it is happening but whooshes out for some reason, as sunshine puts it . I've never had a BPF but I don't think it'd show up anyway if it wasn't implanting properly - doesn't the HSG only really show when it's implanting? Sure I've read that somewhere

The OM will be home any minute so I must go and make myself fragrant and alluring .

I don't have the world's longest luteal phase either. 30/31 day cycle and ov between CD16 and 20 BUT I had been having problems spotting from about 3 days after I ov'd. Have been taking B6 and last month had a luteal phase of 13 days and no bleeding.

But - I conceived DD with my sub-standard uterus so keep the faith!

Smack That Rat!

bloofer - caveat all of the following with me just being on the learning curve of all this biology stuff. As far as I understand, HCG starts getting produced from the moment of conception. So some people have a chemical pregnancy where they get a faint positive and then AF comes which means the embryo failed to implant. I have a shortish luteal phase but not that short (I think less than 10 days is said to be a defect). Last month doc measured my endometrium at time of ovulation with ultrasound and put me on progesterone as was not thick enough. It thickens to get ready for implantation. When implantation doesn't occur, it sheds and you get AF. This month my endometrium was purrrrfect (see I am most definitely pregnant). Hope that makes sense!

I am not in the UK and have realised that (because I have to pay for it) I get a lot more tests and drugs thrown at me than I ever would at home.

And of course it is working. I am most definitely PG. Off to symptom check at 2 DPO.

Ok I've been hiding as I KNEW this would happen.

Period due and BFFuckingN.

However, I have realised that perhaps the timing is too good.

I am going to ponder on some building works or study to make a pregnancy a massive inconvenience.

That's interesting Jebel because I also thought that the egg didn't produce HCG until after it had implanted which is why you have to wait so bloody long after ov befor you can get a BFP. I figured that a chemical pregnancy is when implantation happens but you misscarry pretty much straight away about the same time you would have had af. Can anyone with more science expertise confirm this?

I know i can get preg because I have done it a couple of time just never managed to keep it. Last time my egg just seemed to get lazy and give up on the whole organ growing thing.

I have read that HCG is only detectable in urine after implantation.
It can be detected earlier in the blood however.

I think the early testing only really works if you have a longish luteal phase as you need to wait until 12 dpo. There was an interesting section on peeonastick.com will see if I can find it!
I left the house this AM in my slippers and was halfway down the road before I noticed. Clearly I am VERY pregnant.

I'm not sure hiding - some things say that 24 hours after conception it starts to be released by the embryo in very small amounts (but too small to be detected) and then that this is carried on by the placenta that develops and secretes it shortly after implantation. HCG is important to maintain the corpus luteum and therefore the pregnancy. Def need someone with some science to confirm as my information comes from t'internet where there is a lot of lazy science.

Hey Schobe, chin up. No af yet = still in the game, some people don't get BFP until several days after af was due. If the ERTD (af) does make an unwelcome appearance then this month was just a practice, it wouldn't do for your pregnancy to be so far ahead of the rest of ours, so clearly you'll be pregnant next month! Science, schmience I say

Indeed Schobe, until af starts we'll have none of this 'I'm not pregnant' talk. And even then it was just a warming up cycle and you will definitely be pregnant next go.

Saying that I have just realised that i have been taking loads of ibuprofen and that this is supposed to be BAD during early pregnancy! Of course I am now in a state of paranoia that my previously very pregnant state may now not be quite so certain. Please can someone pass me a wet fish so i can slap myself round the face while repeating 'I am pregnant and no measly pain killer is going to change that' over and over for a bit.

I have hidden the ibuprofen now though and am stoically suffering for the sake of my unborn child until DP comes home with some paracetamol.

Can I just say ladies, this thread is priceless. You have all cheered me since my BFN this am.

Thanks chaps.

Solidarity with you wideawake.

NEXT month must be the one.