Feisty Fabulous Forty somethings - part 3

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As you were ladies

HopefulGum Congrats and enjoy. I?ve no idea if getting a early scan is a good idea. Never been preggers myself! Was your acupuncturist actually christened Dolphina?? That?s quite an unusual name!!

lol - that is absolutely shocking news. I haven?t heard anything so awful in a long time. You seem to have made up your mind about him though and I admire your resilience. The writing course sounds great - can't wait to hear all about it. Agree entirely with Isaboo - these chaps are too quick to blame us. My DH was torn apart when he realised we needed ICSI ? he?d spent a long time safe in the knowledge it was all my fault as he got someone preggers about 30 years ago so was ok. Consultant asked him if he drinks and it took him quite a while to remember necking a load of whisky a week before EC.... Doh!

Italian - lovely the FF video- thank you. Like the poem too.

So, we managed to coax a couple of embies along in the nesting box and had transfer today, so I?m now on a 10 day wait. They?ve left 6 still maturing, but weren?t optimistic about those. As I mentioned earlier, having never been preggers before I am now wondering whether every twinge or flutter is significant, but I guess I just have to wait. The whole ET experience is bizarre, with the embryologist giving you an update through a hatch in the wall! I jokingly asked them if they would consider a nest-cam for you all, but they looked a bit bewildered so I didn?t elabourate for fear of a referral to the funny farm....

Oh, I stopped off at the shops on the way home and got a few NEOM candles. Love 'Complete Bliss' and 'Pure Luxury' is just what we all need at the moment.

Hugs to all!
xx

fireflies I really hope those two little embies get really comfy in there and decided to hang about. Everything corssed for you, lovie. (even legs - why not it's only CD2 )

clomid in a few hours. What do I think is gonna happen when I take the bleedin' thing - fireworks!!!

Thanks hippy. Where's the best place to view the pyrotechnics??!! :-)

10000 wow.....I think you probably now qualify as pregnant ...not sure don't know much about it but congratulations...and stay calm I have a very close friend who ended up with 9 embryos and now has lovely perfect DS thanks to embryo transfer number three ! ...I do know from her how tough it is so well done you .....stay out of that hot tub though....maybe you should just lie horizontal on those nice fluffy new cushions and let us all get you ....
Gum yeh! for sore biscuits and sickyness.....keep it coming
Hippy not good not fair and it sucks but you will feel more up beat in a few days time which might be a good thing but at cycle 9 with no BFP I am not sure any more ......heres to a clomid baby ....would you call her Clomid ? if it works ? ......no thats not nice but do any of the prego ladies have any fabulous names ...along Brooklyn Beckham lines ?

Will be taking the clomid when I go to bed in about 1 hour fireflies - so turn your head towards Hertforshire

Pamper night at the school tomorrow - I love pamper night!

We got a letter home today to say that the year 6 kids (DS1) will be watching a sex education dvd soon. It said it covers subjects such as sexual health, reproduction and saying no - DH pipped up with "You definitely studied that bit Hippy!" Bloody cheek, I hardly ever say no - especially in the middle of my cycle

Love the idea of firefly lying on the cushions in the snug whilst we all bring her tea. Don't worry italian we will do the exact same for you when your embies are transferred

10000, I'm pleased to hear your babies are now nicely snuggled in at home.

And, no, Dolphina wasn't her birth name. She's quite a "hippy" and changed her name after leaving home. She's really lovely, and seems to have a healing touch - very gentle and loves to just talk for a while before we do the needles - she's always trying to find out how I am mentally and emotionally - she's almost like a counsellor. Since having regular acupuncture I hardly ever get ill, only small niggles here and there. I love it.I think it has also helped with getting pregnant (though I didn't stay pregnant last time).

I saw her all through my pregnancy with DS3, and it really did help with a lot of the pregnancy niggles.

So, did you explode yet Hippy? I hope the clomid only gives you good side effects. The main one being a bun in the oven...

It's early morning here. This early morning insomnia is the pits. Deige did you say you had it too? How long did it last? I'm so knackered during the day and can't always take a nanna nap.

Good question Isaboo - you (more) pregnant girls thinking of names? Care to share?

Hippy REALLY hope Mr Hippy is fine. Thanks for the offer of cushions and pampering, will look forward to it. Have already chosen embie names!! Sad!

10000fireflies all the very best for you and your two

Panshe thanks for your kind comments.

Isaboo, Lia, Gum, Jolls, Diege, BB, Lou, Lol, tank and shandy - hugs to all

Got a date so better go (with hubby, in bedroom, say no more!)

Sadly no one has posted on my New ID thread. If anyone wants to pop on and say anything, please do, thanks.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/big_slim_whatever_weight_loss_club/1219502-I-have-just-started-doing-the-New-ID-course-anyone-interested

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Hi all
I just lost my message, grr.
What I was trying to say was thanks for all your messages. I am feeling a bit better by now, more rational anyway and even a little melancholy for the loss of the exhaustion and sickness feelings. I know its jumping the gun a bit but I remember the last thing the consultant said to me was 'do you still feel pregnant' and truthfully it would be 'no'.
Anyway the second scan is Friday. DH is going to be away from tomorrow, aargh, but my mum and mil are helping me bless them.

lia I feel for you with your teen. I used to work with teenagers in trouble and it was the most difficult age range to help. We used to just be happy to be able to maintain contact and keep communication going and just hope to ride the storm.

Fireflies good luck with your two embies, give us all the details, its a new world for me.

lol I hope you're ok. You sound like you are getting used to the idea that you two are not to be. The work situation is awkward but stick with it and don't do anything rash. There's a couple in dh's work who split up and it was difficult and they were talking of transfers, but they're still there and amicable and both have moved on to new partners.

gum, lou and diege lovely pregnant ladies. Revel in your symptoms its great, we need your uplifting news and you tank coming up with stretch limos, chunooks on offer and all. Where were you last week when I needed you!

Hi all
Gum still chucking ???
Hippy go girl . We need a " Clomid" baby !!
Diege u ok ?
Shandy good luck Friday x
Hi Italian hope you re ok ?
Lia hope stuff starts improving at home .
Hi panache
lol hope your muddling through
Hi to everyone else good to hear from ttt gosh, 32 weeks already ? Though I expect it's not flown by for you !!!
My ex friend at work had her baby boy today , of course no problems wa a good weight etc...., I don t wish her any I'll health but it upsets me why do I cop the shitty stick ? Why was it my Georgie that had to die?
She s now got the perfect family. 1 girl, 1 boy . Know it's mother fault what happened to me but I just wish shitty, bad luck could be spread a bit more evenly not some people having none of it some people having loads of it u mean she's never even had a mc ffs!!!
But in the interest of acting like a grown up I ve got her a congrats card but I don t want to resume the friendship or see her baby . At least I m pg now or it. Really would be horrible but oh god I miss Georgie .
Sorry to rant or be sad hope everyone else's wednesday is a better day I ll go and read some trivial shite in Heat to cheer me up!!!!

Not " mother" meant not her fault !!! Like my new name ??? Wanted Georgies mum but someone already got it !!!

Hello there angelgeorgie (Lou) So sorry to see that you're having a bad day. It must feel like others have it so easy. Sorry you are missing your little girl especially bad today. ((()))

Up until I started trying for #3 I was one of those horrid people who had 2 babies exactly when I wanted them and just to rub salt in the wound I wanted a boy both times and I got one. So you see lou in another world you'd probably think I was a jammy cow too. Alas #3 brought the bad luck along but that was mostly down to my age I fear. I hope that Heat has cheered you up. Give GBOS a rub from Auntie Hippy.

I hope I can deliver this 'clomide' baby that you are hoping for. I took the first pill last night and it was just a damp sparkler - no fireworks - infact I just fell asleep and felt no different but I'm sure it's all gonna happen this month and loads and loads of lovely eggs are gonna pop!!! I did see a woman with new born twins this morning and thought they looked like hard work .....

hippy thanks . I understand we ( as in the " royal " we) don t always know the full story of other people' s life's. GBOS has many " rubs" and certainly helps the situation. Thanks xxxxxx hope you ve " popped" a few eggs!!'mm xxxxx

Sorry - Shandy - I was there in spirit, honest... but the moderators keep killing my account, and it makes it such a hassle to keep reregistering that I sometimes leave it a few days between catching up... On a positive note, it is hugely heartening to "MNHQ" take such interest in my occcassional post here.

It sounds like you feel fairly sure that you've miscarried - sending you a little hug xx

Aww Lou - you are Georgie's mum - sorry it wasn't available... did you try MumOfGeorgie and things like that? I tend to be the oppositve way about. I can cope with good news, not bad. No one knows what they are going to have going to have to deal with. Have met so many lovely, lovely mums who have lost teenagers to cancer, or young adults in freak accidents and so on... Just crossing my fingers and wishing good luck and happiness for us.. (though I do know what you mean - I personally have had my fair share of bad luck for the rest of my life!)

Someone asked about baby names... DH likes Rebbeca... I quite Millicent - people keep teling me it is an awful old lady name, but I don't care - the only one we both like is Madeleine - but everyone else hates that, as they say it reminds them of maddie mccann.. This usually sets me ranting about how horrible everyone has been to Kate McCann - I just can't believe the bile the poor woman gets leveled at her...

Just wondering if the pg ladies are considering a Strep B test - i think they do them routinely in Australia, but not the UK... I am stressing about it....

Hi TTT yes might consider that change of name . Glad you re doing ok your names sound lovely . I ll steer clear of the Kate Mccan case as I may say something to upset you !! I don t have anything against the woman pet say but I do feel she would have been put out to be hung , drawn and quartered by the press for her actions if she wasn t a doctor and of a , shall I say , more lowly profession. Just my opinion.

Anyhow, group strep testing ; I m having it every 4 weeks at work as it was requested by my consultant but I do it myself at work .Good job as last 2 HVS ( high vaginal swabs ) have detected group b strep so I ll be asking for iv antibiotics duringy section. You can get a rivate test online for £ 30 at 36 weeks defiantly worth doing . Xx

Hi ladies, have been reading but not posting for last few days.

Lol what an absolute bar steward your (ex)dp is. You can tell him that, from me. He deserves to never be happy in love again. Like someone else said, if you refused to ttc that would be different but as you wanted it too... aargh, it makes me so angry. I want to give him a good slap and tell him to get over himself.

Gum glad dh has taken it so well!

Lia sympathy for dealing with your dd but I can't offer any advice, I'm afraid, having no experience in that dept.

Hippy sorry AF got you but good luck with the clomid. Hope dp is OK.

BB also sorry AF got you. What on earth is pre-seed?

Shandy Good luck on Friday. Have been thinking of you. I'm glad you've got support from your mum and MIL. I know what it's like having to go to scans without dp as mine lives a long way from me.

fireflies how exciting and I hope at least one of them sticks!

AngelGeorgie/Lou It's good to rant on here! I only had an early mc, nothing like what you went through, but I'm still seeing pregnant women & those with young babies and thinking "It's not fair!"

Nothing to report from me. Technically on the 2ww but not hopeful (although nipples a bit sore but I think that's just Hippy's influence.) Just hoping my next ov comes when we're on holiday as it'll be a really good time for swi. Knowing my luck it'll be just after the holiday and we'll miss it. Is it true the little swimmers can survive for several days?

Hello. So much goes on while I (try to)sleep.

AngelGeorgie - lovely new name. So sorry you had a hard day, but completely understandable. Give that gorgeous GBOS a rub from me too.

As for "chucking", I don't chuck, but have all day morning sickness where I feel dreadful but can't throw up.Would love to be sick just to feel some relief, but that doesn't happen. It's the kind of morning sickness that seems to only subside if I eat constantly, which I hate, because I don't want to put on excessive weight.

However, I'll take it all if it means I get a healthy take home babe.

Good to hear from you Tank. In Oz they now do the Strep B test routinely. I think I did it at 36 weeks last time. I'm really glad they did because my test was positive. So I had IV antibiotics as soon as I went into labour, and my baby boy was perfect. I worried the antibiotics might screw up my system, but it made no difference to me. I'm just glad he was fine.

Nothing new here. Feeling sick here and there and drop dead tired. I took Charlie for a stroll yesterday morning at a snail's pace, didn't go all that far but had to have a nap when we got back!Feeling really unfit and exhausted...

10000 - how are you feeling?

Mitzi, when the "environment" is optimal, I think swimmers can last 5 - 7 days - but I think it's unusual. When I was quite young I got pregnant from sex on CD7. I'd only just finished my period. I had a live away boyfriend, so knew exactly when we'd had sex, so was amazed that I got pregnant - especially as I had long cycles in those days( when I went to the doctor convinced I had glandular fever, he told me I was pregnant and I just wouldn't believe him until he did a blood test to prove it). So I'm guessing the sperm were young and fit and lasted at least 5 days.

Where are you going on holiday? Hope it is lovely.

AngelGeorgie hugs, sorry it is hard today. Your name is lovely, but if you wanted Georgiesmum and it was taken you could change mum to mummy or mummi or mom! Anyway, honey, well done on wanting to get a card for your ex-friend, I think it is a really positive move.

Hippy hugs, hope the Clomed works its magic!

TTTonTour you choose the name but if you are asking for opinions of the ones you have given I like Rebecca, it's classic, has a funky nickname(Becky, Becca, Bex) it's Biblical (yes, my preference not yours!) and it's pretty. Anyway, whatever you name Fidget, we are just all dying to know she is safely here and we are so excited for you.

Mitzimaybe good luck on the 2 week wait.

TTTonTour I am not a pregnant lady (Yet!!!) but I would have a step B test I think.

Ladies, FAST FOOD BABY - just watched it! If you have got an hour to spare, watch this in the next day! It is both frustrating and moving. Yes, it makes you think what the *&^% is going on but yes, it is also inspiring! The experts in it are so fab.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b010y763

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TT can't believe MNHQ are still bothering with you - you haven't caused any trouble for at least a week I would definitely have the strep B test. I was found to have it in a swab that I had for something else after my second son was born and have vowed if I ever get to 36 weeks preg (Ha Ha Hippy now wets herself laughing at the very idea) I would defo have the test - even if I had to pay privately. I think it is soo worth it and none of us want you to take any risks with Fidget.

I am not keen on Rebecca, (I think I've just known to many Beckies or Bex). I love Millicent and think Milly is a lovely nickname. I can see that Madelaine will not be as popular now due to the dreadful link with poor little Madelaine McCann (how bizarre is that, you would never in a million trillion years expect to be able to influence a whole nation about your childs name!!!)

I took my second clomid pill last night and had 4am insomnia and dreadful morning sickness this morning - great, all the symptoms and yet no lovely little secret - how shit is that?? Ahh well, I will persevere, but only for you guys

ps. I agree sperm can live for up to 5 days (maybe even 7) but that is when the environment is just right for them. I think the usual amount of time is about 3 days

Tank love the name Milly.

Hippy right environment for sperm! What is that, a barker lounger, larva lamp, TV remote in one hand and beer and pizza in the other?? - Oh no, that's men, not actual sperm!

I did another pregnancy test today, because my period is still missing. It was negative . Really I don't feel sad, just numb. When will it finally dawn on me that I won't get pregnant without help. I so much want it all to be over now. I do want to be pregnant again, I do want a new baby. Photos of DD as a baby regularly appear on our electric photo fame and they so much remind me of how fab she is and how great it was when she was little. I feel OK, I just want to get on with it now. Please pray for me.

I know I am greedy, I have one, and she is fab, I just want it again!

Love and hugs to all.

Hey Italian love and hugs to you !!! I'm sorry your test was negative, there will always be that glimmer of hope. I hope so much you get a new baby. I sometimes walk my dog to a place called Ladyewell, there is a shrine there and its a peaceful place, I will go and light a candle for us all xxx

Hello! Just a quick one as I'm feeling dire, with sinusitus that just isn;t shifting. I have never felt less like going on holiday..the thought of the packing alone is enough to finish me off... I have read throguh but all that sticks in my mind is the name Millicent which I love . I have a friend who was stuck on names and went with my suggestion of said name - they do tend to call her Millie most of the time, which is very sweet (and then you have the more serious 'Millicent' if she becomes a high court judge..)
Right, I'm going back to bed!

Italian sorry about your bfn; would have been brilliant if you could have conceived naturally but it's not much longer to wait now for the donor eggs, is it?

Diege sinusitis is horrible, you poor dear. Is it you who's going to Whitby? (Sorry, I do lose track sometimes.) I hate packing myself - kind of get all het up and panicky about it - I'm already starting and I don't have to pack until next week.

Hippy it stinks that you get pg symptoms with the clomid but here's hoping that it's just a rehearsal for the real thing. FX.

Gum We're going to Santorini 7-14 June, which I'm hoping will be wonderful. Shame it's only a week, but it's better than nothing and I'm really looking forward to it (once the packing's done!)

3 days might be all right for the little swimmers but it depends on when AF comes to visit; I'm not sure my cycle's back to normal after the mc yet. I think I'll ask some more stupid questions on a new article.

panache thank you, that is so kind.

Mitzimaybe thanks for your kind words.

Does anyone know about trying for a baby girl? I mean sites to look at, advice that seems to have worked. A dear friend is trying for number 3 and wants a girl. No it is not a thinly veiled reference to anyone here! Any tips!

Oh yes Tank speaking of names I like Madeline but I would always be thinking of the McCann case and I don?t like the abbreviation Maddie. Maybe if it were abbreviated Lana or something! I do also love the name Madison (I was a fan of the film Splash!) And that would also be abbreviated Maddie. I look on all the naming threads and dream!

There is a programme tonight I may watch, I am NOT recommending it, just mentioning it! I mean, the title gives it away a bit!

"Too Old to Be a Mum?: Tonight
Madonna, Emma Thompson and Cherie Blair all had babies in their forties - and it seems to be catching on. The number of women having babies in their forties doubled in the last decade, but fertility experts warn that choosing career first and starting a family second is a gamble and may put the health of both mother and baby at risk. Presented by Jonathan Maitland. HD
Today on ITV1 London HD from 7:30pm to 8:00pm
Also: at least 3 repeats.
Too Old to Be a Mum?: Tonight on ITV.com"

I think it will be quite depressing and to be honest I am frustrated with the view that people who have babies in the 40s do so because they have put off having children because of a career. I have been trying to complete my family for about 9 years and when I started I was in my 30s! But I bet I will still watch it!

Hugs to all.

Italian - we?re all praying for you, and am sure it will all work out in the end. The donor egg route will give you a very good chance of success ? I?ve looked into it myself and would definitely consider doing it myself. OMG, is that documentary going to tell any of us anything we don?t already know??!! I think I?ve come across some info on how to encourage girls. I?ll post when I can find it. How about the sex selection via IVF that you can get in Cyprus now?
Tank - re the names ? if you like it, go for it. Every name is in some way or another loaded with references to other people, and eventually we all grow into our names and make them our own.

Diege have you tried doing the old over bowl of steaming water?
Hippy disappointed with the firework display Tuesday. :) Seriously though, hope you are doing ok.
Shandy good luck for Friday.
Gum wow ? all day morning sickness? Nice! Have you tried the travel bands? I guess you must have tried everything?
Lou/Angel how are you today?
Mitzi am keeping my fingers crossed for you on your 2ww and holiday timings.

I have nothing to report on the embies, though I have been doing some borderline insane symptom spotting. It?s amazing what you can convince yourself of when you want to. I mean, explosive diaorrhea can?t really be a sign of implantion, can it?!! Just over a week to go before I can test... I keep finding dropped money when I?m out and about. Must be lucky, right?!! Feel like I should by a lottery ticket with today?s £1... And then, the most beautiful-full-arc rainbow appeared on the way home after I got totally drenched.

OK, bistro open as a special treat with comfort food all round and plenty of Prosecco in the chiller for those drinking, Virgin Mojitos for the rest. Special tonight is spicy-honey roast duck with sour-cherry and orange marmalade and dauphinoise potatoes. Tank are you taking karaoke requests?