Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your cake, wine and tightie whities and join us for more ranting, weeping and most of all laughing! All welcome! (Part 14)

[Collie2]

If you are TTC after Miscarriage (or waiting to start trying again), this is the place to be. This thread is full of lots of lovely ladies on the post MC rollercoster and is full of support and advice from people who have been through it, and know what you are going through.
Jump on board and join in the for some laughter, crying or even the odd ranting (whatever you need). There?s lots of , (caffeine free of course ) and chocolate, and more importantly, friendly ?ears?.

The thread moves fast so bob in and out as you please. Don?t be afraid to ask anything ? nothing is ever TMI!!!

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WTTC = waiting to TTC
UCL = usual cycle length
WFT cycle = what the f*uck cycle (cycle after mc but before first AF)
For more accronyms see here

Good luck to all ? The last one was a lucky thread for lots of people so here's hoping for lots more healthy, sticky BFPs by the end of the thread

This is the previous thread

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think this may work sorry ladies bad day !

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Oh olis sorry Hun that's truely awful to have such uncertainty now. What sticks are you using? Maybe go and buy some good early response ones and test again tomorrow..... I know that must seem an age away!

Did you use different brands olis?

ok so they are bfp but like the worlds faintest when they should be stronger not fainter......i give up POAS I am away camping i suppose if my period does not show up then i will test :(

nope same brand Predictor early result :( I can honestly say im hearbroken :(

Oh olis I am so sorry darling. If their is a line there though sweetie, however faint it is a very positive sign. I really would not give up hope.

((((big HUGE hugs))))

oli i'm sorry it wasn't so straight forward this morning. as collie said a faint line is still positive, enjoy your camping trip and test when you get home.

mumtum you need to double up on those square bracket things.

Ok, so my temps are still bothering me. It did rise today, but really not very high at all. In fact I took it 3 times (straight after) and got a reading of 97.73, 97.84 and 97.84 and when I put my first (lower) reading in it didn?t find my ovulation date and apply the crosshairs. However when I put the 97.84 reading it in did, so I left the 2nd reading in even though I know I shouldn?t just because I wanted to see the crosshairs I am thinking I need to change it back as I have been reading up and it seems you can have EWCM and a +ive opk but no ovulation. So maybe I didn?t ov?? I know my last cycle was my wtf cycle but my temperatures were significantly higher that what they are now, and my current temps really don?t look any higher than earlier in the month to me. cep I know what you are saying about the reliability of the information I?ve put into ff (I was being a bit facetious when I said ff was not reliable) and its why over the weekend I didn?t pay much attention to it. But I did get a (almost) full nights sleep last night and had no alcohol etc so I was really hoping for a decent rise. If anyone is really bored you can have have a look
I know there isn?t much I can do about it. Its just really frustrating not knowing what?s going on and if I need to keep swi or if I can relax now until knowing the ?window of opportunity? has passed.
Melies and mumtum was it you that said your OH didn?t want you to use opks or to take your temperature because it takes the fun out of ttc? I was chatting about this to my DH as I think it is a little unreasonable and wanted his male view. He could see their perspective a bit, as he had similar feelings, but said it was more to do with worrying that I would get --obsessed?stressed about it. (never ) I said, the way I see it is after mc, ttc again has already lost the fun element and with or without opks or temperature taking, I am still going to get obsessed about it, but at least at the end of the month if I don?t get a bfp I?ll be able to know that we did all the right things and the right times. He seemed to understand this. As cep also said, you also know when you can stop as I am emotionally exhausted from the run up to ovulation (if it happened!!). Sorry, I don?t know if this helps, or is more of a rant, but maybe it might help your OH see your point of view.

Your chart doesn't show any real clear signs of ovulation collie (that's not to say you didn't) and I would have thought that, despite you having long cycles, you are quite away through your cycle so I doubt you will ovulate now (although it's obviously not unheard of) Out of interest, and forgive me if you have mentioned it before, but have you had any GP advice about your cycles? If you have another month of vagueness and no real ovulation pattern then I would suggest getting it checked out. My cycles were always prolonged and I only ovulated sporadically before PCOS was diagnosed. I am not suggesting you have this by any stretch but still worth getting it checked out? Sorry, that was a bit of a doom response wasn't it

collie i wouldn't worry too much about your temps. It doesn't have to be a huge jump to show ov. you had +ve opks and ewcm, i would have said that would have been a good sign. if you are worried though keep temping for another cycle and see what happens then (if not bfp, i am of your stamina) the more info you have if you do want to go see a dr the better.

No I haven?t had a conversation with my GP about my cycles chloe to be honest I came of the pill about a year ago but we weren?t actively trying so wasn?t really paying any attention to them. I only really mapped my cycle length the cycle before I got pg. When you made a comment about have lots of ?near misses? but never any accidents I did reply though saying that that struck a cord with me. Never been reliable at taking the pill, always sick with a hangover and never any accidents. DH has had a feeling we would struggle but then when I fell pg last year I just assumed all was ok. I think though that I have had some concerns myself which is why I am worrying so much about these bloody temperatures. I really also don?t think I had any ovulation last month as there was no pattern at all to my temps?although I know it was the wtf cycle.

I really hope I am worrying about nothing. You invest so much in ttc and swi, and if there is no egg its all bloody pointless. How long do you think you need to map your cycles for before seeing the GP. I know having a long cycle can be a sign of PCOS too, and waiting for another 2 or 3 cycles would be agony.

Agghhhh, GOD!! I am such a worrier.

collie you don't necessarily have to 'map' any cycles but need to be able to verbally express them. If you do see the gp then I would make it clear that you have been TTC for over a year before your MC (even if you weren't really) as, like you say, you would have thought that somewhere along the line with your lack of pill taking you would have fallen pg anyway. Gps don't tend to take things further until you have been TTC for at least 6mths but it is more like a 1yr. I didn't notice you had +ve OPKs too, so either you did ovulate or it might be something triggering a +ve.

Thanks cep and chloe would you say then that just not being on the pill ?counts? as ttc? i.e. from the perspective of the GP? Also, as i have been pg but mc, won't they then assume i can get pg and then want me to try again for 6-12months?? Which i suppose is great if all is ok, but shit if its not.

As you said chloe lots of people would have just ?fallen? pg by now, although having said that we did have a busy year last year ? a month in Japan sleeping in dorms so no dtd and then we spent the summer fixing up our kitchen on evening and weekends so the dtd was considerably less often due to being knackered. cep no need to be envious of stamina, it was very much an effort by the end of it. Should have had one last go yesterday but dh did his back on (not through swi I hasten to add). Was just determine to give us the best possible chance this month. Am hoping that my body isn?t going toe let me down.

I think I already know the answer to this but do I need to change my temp recording for this morning to the 1st and lower one??and lose my pretty crosshairs??? [Sad]

Nah, leave themm they look pretty

Coming off teh pill doesn't really count unless you dtd regularly which by the sounds of it you didn't, but if you want answers then bending the truth a little wouldn't hurt anyone.

I was concerned that the gp wouldn't put me on Clomid as I was meant to start it then I fell pg, however, once I decided to start TTC again I spoke to the specialist and he didn't question putting me on it. He even said it could be another couple of years before I fall pg again and he wouldn't want to be responsible for keeping me waiting.

collie like chloe said definately tell them you'd been actively trying for a year. I was warned by my gp that the year would start again. (actually my gp said in our area it was 18 months) See what your gp says.

collie Even in a "normal" woman(and I say that with a heavy heart) it is possible to have one or 2 cycles per year which are anovulatory.

When was your mc- I am so sorry I can't remember. I had 2 cycles of 40 days which I suspect were anovulatory before I settled down again. I also have 35 day on average, cycles. Also, I did need 2 temping cycles for a clear pattern to emerge. Finally, I have found Agnus Castus to be brilliant at regulating my cycles, however you should research this yourself as tere is conflicting information out there. Hugs xx

Just thought i would add ladies (car is running outside) i have 2 very very faint pound shop BFP'S too now starting to worry if i am seeing in lines!! anyhow really am away now have a good week see you all Sunday night!

Collie I know nothing about ff or temping sorry, but when you get a +ve opk is it at the 'right' time in your cycle? am I right in thinking that pcos leads lh surges all thru the cycle or no surge at all? When you had your mc did you have any scans? Bcos during every scan I've ever had, during my first pg, the one I had to rule out pco last dec and during my mc they've checked my ovaries, apparently it's routine, so they should have seen cysts then if there are any. I went to the gp after 6 months of tcc and got a scan referral bcos i'd had 2 really heavy, late periods in the autumn. I think that if you go to the gp and explain that you're ttc and you're concerned about your cycles they should listen. Dh went at the same time to have a sperm analysis, again, 6 months of ttc was enough for that (apparently it's cheap so they don't mind!)

olis I'm sorry things still aren't clear for you, I hope that the next few days give you some answers x

mouse how are you?

I know what you all mean about knowing who your friends are, I've really found that out over the last month. Some people have been great, a few others have really disappointed me tbh.

Glad you said I could leave them chloe I think they?ll make me less sad every time I go on, which is currently several times a day in the hope that it will all have miraculously changed and I?ll have a nice steady chart with a beautiful ovulation rise. But for now I?ll be taking those red lines with a pintch of salt.

YRMOTB thanks for posting. That?s interesting that you had a couple of anovulatory cycles after your mc. I understand that they are common every now and then in ?normal? women (would I said I was normal?? ) I just find it hard to believe that it just so happens to be on the only 2 months I?ve been charting. But if its common for a few cycles post mc to be anovulatory then that explains it better. Can?t say I am thrilled, but it?s a more optimistic explanation than the alternative. yrmoft my mc was late dec (don?t apologise for not remembering there are so many of us on here). My ucl b4 mc was about 40days too, although my ?supposed? ovulation came a few days later than expected this month.

What you said about Angus Castus is interesting I have heard (well read on here) a few people mention it but I didn?t know what it was for and haven?t looked into it. Will Google it though as my charting really is all over the place, even on days where it should be steady and reliable.

melies tbh I didn?t really get any after care from the epu. I was told at my 12 wk scan that we?d lost the baby and i chose to go home and wait for a natural mc. They booked me in about 11 days later for a follow up scan but the 2 days prior to the appointment I mc. I went anyway and the scan showed most of it had passed although there where still some ?abnormalities?. But the discharged me anyway. No other information on anything else. I?ve not seen the gp or anything either. Should I have?

Melies yes the +ive opk and ewcm did come at the right time, but from what I read you can still have your LH surge, its just that no egg is released.

Here are 2 examples of links I found some of the info on first and second

Thanks for all of your kind replies ladies. It really does help to have someone to talk to and to have some support. I know (hope) I could even be worrying about nothing, and I could have actually ovulated, but I?m just not convinced at the moment. If I did ov would you expect to see a continued rise and if there is no continued rise and if it is up and down this is a clearer indication that I did not ovulate?

Its interesting that you have all had different views from GPs. Mine is usually a good practice so if I need to go they?ll hopefully be supportive.
I think I?ll definitely need to chart for another month to be able to go prepared, and also to be sure that its not just a post mc thing.

Sorry, for massive me me me post.

Also meant to add YAY for olis i think you've had enough faint lines to get excited. Faint is still good!!!! Enjoy camping. xx

Also meant to say thyroid runs in our family. Mum had overactive, now under active and my nans sister has under active. This can also be a contributing factor to anovulation right?? I chatted to my mum about thyroid a couple of weeks back although and she didn't seem to think i was presenting any of the obvious symptoms so haven't really worried about it (think i am finding enough to worry about). Has anyone got any exp of thyroid?

collie you are obviously really worried, it's certainly worth going to your gp, even if its just to put your mind at rest. Im sure they could refer you for a scan and some basic bloods without too much trouble. My friend who mc last year said that every time they said no to something she just cried, they soon changed their mind! Might be worth a go!!!

collie it might be worth having an early appointment and mentioning that problems with the thyroid runs in the family, see if they'll do any tests to rule it out while your temping for your next cycle. Am suprised they signed you off wihtout giving you an all clear scan.

collie i have an underactive thyroid and my doctors have said that it shouldnt present any problems with ovulation...

my thyroid is really underactive aswell and i havent had any problems with ovulation in the past...

xx

Hi ladies, I hope you don't mind me butting in, cep has kindly pointed me in the direction of this thread.

I'm currently awaiting my second consecutive mc, I had a scan yesterday at 6+ weeks that showed my uterus is empty, hcg levels were 99 on Saturday and 91 yesterday. Back to the EPU on Monday for more tests. My last pregnancy ended on Christmas Day, at 10 weeks, another pregnancy of unknown location . I had spotting off and on from around 5 weeks and 3 scans failed to find anything though my hcg levels rose to just above 1000. My hcg levels returned to normal (under 15) mid January and I conceived again at the beginning of February.

I am desperately wanting to try again but completely petrified at the same time. I thought we'd cracked it this time but obviously not. Just keeping my fingers crossed that this pregnancy resolves itself soon as I still feel pregnant and I'm taking it rather hard!