Feisty, Fabulous Forty somethings

[galwaygal]

This is a continuation of the "More ongoing and continuing conceptions and follicling ahead of Feisty, Fabulous Forty somethings"

I thought I would keep the title short as there are so many long ones out there.

I thought I would start the new thread so that you don't forget me

LP ends when proper bleeding starts diege according to TCOYF

hey again...
sorry Libby, forgot to welcome you here, though as you said we've "met" before! Yeah, my doc said there was a spotty/oiliness possible downside to the DHEA. Hippy actually consultant is a she, and yes very much recommended whilst TTC, only stop when you get a BFP. It's a pre-med as it were for IVF, as in it boosts your egg quality/quantity (theory), so they recommend for 3 months pre-IVF. (sorry just properly read Gum's posts which says the same about melatonin).

diege sorry to hear you think you're out... :( I'm also taking pregnacare and extra folic acid. But that's it. (at the moment )....

Right - downstairs clean, now to tackle DS chaos upstairs... how many more bits of Thomas fuzzy felt will I find .

sorry BB, XP. Have you been back to E at all? Was supposed to try and get an appt this week, but cocked up and missed ov time. Doh.

no I haven't been back to E or Dr C yet. I am waiting for af to arrive and then I may jump back on bandwagon. am seriously considering jumping off it actually.

I have paid for the follicular tracking though so might go ahead with that (a dildo cam up me every other day for a month, what's not to like??

Thanks BB , that's what I thought, but am thinking too that low temp = low prog too, so not great? . So will resume agnus castus next month, and maybe try the Zitas rather than the Glenville's - oh the excitment!
Jolls can I ask how much extra folic acid you take? I'm just adding 400mg (so 800mg in total) but I know 1200mg is also recommended?

diege just checked the packets - 400 in pregnacare plus one 800, so yep 1200 in total (accident rather than design though). If you're concerned about prog, would you use serenity cream? x

BB, well if either Mel or Jo do your dildocam, ask them if they've had a giggler in recently :). Can understand why you're feeling in two minds. Maybe one last shot? You're very young still (40, yes?) But none of my blimmin besswax of course, and totally get why you feel you want to fully enjoy the super children you already have. x

and as I'm clearly in the kissing mood a big smacker for everyone else too X

Thanks Jolls; may increase my uptake of folic acid. Haven't really considered progesterone before...tbh if my body's had enough, it's had enough, and I'll bow out gracefully. If good diet, exercise, and some supplements don't do the trick, I don't think I'd consider anything further (eg. investigations) as I know I'm blessed with my four. I'm sure the new gym membership and getting back on the slimming world wagon won't do any harm anyway

Hey JOLLS I have thought about the Progesterone Cream but again bcoz it's a hormone I am scared - Have you used it ? It is a known fact that as we age one of the first hormones to slack off is Progesterone and so short of getting it tested every month you can never tell if that is the problem - with me its a toss-up between 'old eggs' - 'fibroids' or Progesterone deficiency and I will never know if my 4 little beans didn't stick around for anyone of them reasons

CURLY All the products I use can be bought online - the info I have gathered is all mostly from an american site (fertilityfriend.com) of which I am a paying member - I use it to chart)
The American 'older ladies' are a lot more aggressive in their treatments than us Brits, maybe it's to do with paying for all of their medical care... I don't know but whenever I read advice from a 40+ ttc woman to a newbie poster the advice is 'see a specialist ASAP '!!!.....TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE !!!

DIEGE Anything above 12days is a good LP I think ? I get what your'e saying about the MG Vits - they are so expensive basically £25 a month....I don't know what the Zita Wests are in cost, but after my last jar ends (end of Feb) I too was looking to just take pregncare or boots' own brand .....

Of course you all realise that none of these vits etc matter a jot if you pop out a good egg coz your bodies will just do what they were programmed to do and get on with things naturally as I am sure Alba - TFLS - lunatic - liaghen? and Tank can testify ......but I just like to think I gave it my best shot and if it ain't gonna be then it ain't gonna be ....you know what tho' I'm 'alf glad I got to virtually meet you gals along the way .....xx

Now is it 'BISTRO Night' DIEGE ???

Oooh yeah just wanted to add BB I had a montitered cycle last year 'dildocam stylee' and I actually fell PG that month....I only had to be scanned days 8 - 13 and 21 of the cycle though....every other day is quite a lot you'll be sick of the sight of your innerds by the end of it [shock) the guy who did mine (yes guy.... infact one day he had that thing stuck up inside me for 40mins I started to get a bit fed up/stressed with my arse hangin' off the bed and then had visions of the Dr in the film 'the hand that rocks the cradle' and by the end of it got sooo peed off I could have thrown a malpractice suit at him.)..muchlove obviously watches too many films....but he did keep that thing inside for a loooong time - he said he was checking the Corpus luteum for progesterone supply ???? But on another note he told me exactly when the egg had popped out and to go home and do the deed immediately and that I had a good supply of eggs - his words the 'eggs of a 30 yr old'..... shame they aint of the same quality.....

Can I place my order.... tonight I fancy good old fashioned 'cod and chips with fat peas and a cold glass of sauvignon blanc and then some treacle tart n custard for dessert.... or if not I will just carry on and eat this tub of twiglets that I have leftover from xmas and why oh why can't I just throw that tin of Quality Street away.... but I love the toffee penny and the orange cream ....

x

Bleedin' 'ell you're not asking for much from the Bistro are you muchlove ? . I'll do my best, but chef is on his night off... I also fancy some homemade fish and chips (beer-soaked batter), good old creme brulee for pud and as af is almost here, I'll push the boat out and have a buck's fizz . Anyone else before I leave for the cash and carry?
You made me laugh muchlove with your tale of the dildocam experience . 40 mins eh...you sure he didn't have ulterior motives?? On the Lp front, vitex did extend my lp from 9 to 13 days, but looks like being an 11 day-er this month as already spotting. Am fired up already for next month though!

I have to start the scanning on day 2 I feel queasy at the very thought. and embarrassed already.

I have got progesterone - 400mg pessaries. Dr C says I should take them, but actually I just asked my gp for them and he prescribed them. I am always in 2 minds whether to take them actually, but dr C reassured me - they won't stop a period arriving, and don't do any harm. problem is they give symptoms similar to early pg, like sore boobs etc, so it is a bit confusing.

also lots of nasty side effects which I won't go into now, but involve seepage.

am on the cava now (new year austerity drive, no prossecco for me).

What do you mean 'chefs night off' what is this 'FAWLTY TOWERS'..... its just aswell I don't have cheese n biscuits too then hhmmppfff

Well the Dr that was up there for ages was just an 'old fart' infact he looked just like an egghead professor type.....if he had been some younger handsome type i would have been sooooo embaressed....but would have been grateful about looking my best 'down there' ...... And ...and.. even worse another time i was laid-up waitin for the dildocam (yeah ive had a few) I guess im a dildocam slag......the Dr proceeded to tell me about a 'famous' footballer and his girlfriend who had been in the day before and how the footballers eyes nearly popped out of his head when the Dr put the condom on the dildocam before insertion....all this whilst i am laying there with feet together and knees draped open ....he then couldn't get the machine to work and trundled off up the corridor to get another machine....then I had to tell him what plug went in where...he had got tangled up in a load of wires bless him ....and still I'm laying there wide open thinking ''''oh forfu*ksake is this a joke!!! I mean seriously would our Old Men go through all this ?????? NEVER !!!

xx

diege I fancy a paella actually.
Bread and Butter pudding with lashings of cream to follow.
Washed down with some Oyster Bay pls.

muchlove I used prog cream last pg; even though my day 21 test showed a good level of prog I figured it couldn't do any harm. Don't think the cream is anywhere near the dosage of the pessaries (even after seepage issues taken into account ). I used it last cycle after ov until af, and will do so again this time. Dunno why. Cos the pot's there I think...

BB I would have thought after childbirth x 5 you would be embarrassed of nothing .

Off to bed soon - day 13, so more SWI. Hurrah....

So let me get that right Jolls: bread and butter pudding with lashings of progesterone cream?
BB, what's this 'seepage' you speak of? Not of the anal variety I hope?
Muchlove, here's your cheese and crackers then
Right, bistro closed, off to bed!

paella sounds fab.

Hello to all and all the best.

My sleep is better and I feel OK, had lots of exercise this week, been for a swim, a keep fit session and two walks since Tuesday. My aim is one thing per day but not quite up to it yet.

All the best to all.

Morning lovely ladies.

Just checking in.

Feeling much better. Still have my moments, but feeling better. It helps that we have a beautiful beach on the doorstep and I've taken a long walk each day which has done me the world of good.

I'm trying to be positive and grateful for all that I have, and to be positive that I can still have another baby.Time will tell.

I'm wondering if I should start taking my temperature again, so I will at least have some idea of what is going on, or if I should just ignore all of it... "Ignorance is bliss", but not for someone who likes to be in control!

As for the progesterone, isn't it true that if you had low progesterone, you'd have a luteal phase defect? I'm no expert, so correct me if I'm wrong. I believe that a L.P of 12 days or more is fine? It can't hurt to use progesterone cream, I have done in the past, but I've heard that it can't do what prescribed progesterone can do if that is the reason for miscarriage due to L.P defect.I think if you are concerned it is worth getting it tested.

That dildocam treatment sounds awful! It is amazing what women will do when it comes to having babies!

hello everyone, and hi Gum - glad you're feeling a bit better. I was up and down for months I think - a real hormonal wreck looking back.

Hippy any signs yet? Any testing?

I probably had a temp dip this morning - hard to tell as i woke at 3.30 and took temp then! didn't really get back to sleep (ds1 woke up feeling ill). But it would fit in with the cramping.

Ihave to decide what to do then. I have got excited about planning a trip to Vietnam, and think it probaby would be silly to be in the early stages of pregnancy then, not only unsafe from a mc point of view, but also I would feel shitty and ruin the whole thing. So I think I'll be on the cheerleading bench for a few months while I do the trip. Have also had a big change at work, and it would look really bad if i announced I was pg.

Anyway, enough about me!

Who's testing soon?

Hi all
BB Vietnam sounds amazing - one of my closest friends travelled there a lot, and he wanted to move there. Totally understand your rationale - had been meaning to ask about your job and how it had all turned out: what compromises did you reach?

Gum good to hear from you - the sea is amazingly restorative isn't it.

Am firmly in slanket stage, CD16 today - probably started it too early, tbh only half hearted SWI this month, only on 10, 11 and 13, so unlikely to hit the jackpot!

Every January I remember how low this month makes me. :(

Hope everyone else a bit more cheerful x

Sorry Jolls i m also low.

Today Georgie should be 3 months old.

I m coming up to swi stage on cd 7 now but really don t feel like it but need to pick myself up.

I feel totally pissed off with all these "celebrities" who keep announcing their pregnancies :Holly willoughbooby,Emma Bunton now "posh".Stupid isn t it ? I don t even know them but they make me jealous.

Then there's my 2 "friends" who are currently pg and my "ex" friend who had her baby recently.I feel like i hate them all.I know to hate only causes me problems it doesn t affect them and their lifes just me.

I only wanted Georgie, i would have settled at 1 so why couldn t i just have her?

Know no one can answer me .....As my counseller says i need to try to not think about these other people and most times i can remain positive that i ll be pg again soon just sometimes its all too much.

So sorry Jolls i can t cheer you up today XXXX

We ll be miserable together.

alba's had her baby boy - see MC grads thread... back later x

Hi ladies. louise and jolls I'm sorry you're feeling so down. I have no answers for you lou, it is of course bloody unfair that you didn't get to have Georgie in the way you should have, my love.

I agree about all these celebs. Apparently Amanda Holden did have an MC last year and that's why she's waited until 6 months to announce this one. What is with Victoria Beckham????, she has endless amounts of money, loads of lovely homes, 3 healthy sons AND she gets to shag David feckin' Beckham - and yet she never looks happy!!! Not even now she is having another baby!

Nothing to report from me. I did laugh at whoever said, it looks like it's all down to you at the moment Hippy! I thought to myself - blimey what is it coming to if all our hopes lie with the 44 year old woman!!

I'm on about 11 days after Ov at the moment. 's doing their usual and no spotting yet BUT am not expecting much. This is the 7th month since my last MC - i have NEVER tried to get pregnant for that long. (I know it doesn't sound long to some and i don't mean to offend at all). It just seems like a long time to me.

Thinking of you all who are sad or in extra need of hugs . XXXXX

crossed posts - jolls. i'm off to check on Alba..............

Hello . Many congrats to Alba, lovely news!
Hippy ooh you are very much in testing territory aren't you . Would you consider a quick poas for us all or is that asking too much? . I am also feeling the time it's taking to get pregnant - my longest 'try' has been 5 mths, and now I'm going into my 10th mth Still at least dh is still up for it after a few wobbles, so all to play for so to speak!
Gum great to hear from you. I often try to picture where it is you live - all farmers' markets and 'Home and Away' beaches! Tell me it's not that gorgeous?
Louise my love, a non-MN-like hug for you . It does sound like you have some good support with the counselling, and we are always here for you of course xx
Jolls sorry you're also feeling . Is there anything we can help with?
BB I am also contemplating a few mths break from ttc, though not for anything as exciting as an overseas trip...I need to have a smear yearly due to past history of dodgy cells, so will have to get the all clear March/April before carrying on ttc-ing. It also means I might treat myself to a bit of botox . Vietnam sounds fab by the way, but agree that pregnancy sickness when there might not be best advised!
Have been working from home today, so have had a chance to make a healthy slimming world roast dinner...feeling much better for laying off the chocs, plus have gym induction tomorrow (New Sweaty Betty stuff has arrived so looking forward to the new and imrpoved Diege in a few weeks (months?) or so.
Love to all x

Hi everyone

louise I am so sorry you are having a rough time at the moment, beautiful little georgie should have been 3 mths old,it's a nightmare that you must be stuck in that you can't wake up from. Please keep talking, I don't know if it helps you to think of what she may have been doing at this point or that but if you want to talk, then we definately want to hear.

It's shit when celebs seems to fall at the drop of a hat, (or anyone really) I know they too have their heartache, but you know what really pisses me off, all the fuss over the fact that the Beckhams would really love a daughter WTF?? After my little great niece was born sleeping 4 yrs ago, my niece was living next door to a complete slapper with 4 children she didn't look after properly, when she announced she was pregnant about a month after our little C with her 5th unplanned and different father, (3 at that point). She actually said to my niece, (who had a son already) maybe you can't carry girls, some women can't.) Stupid ignorant cow.

jolls are you ok? Talk to us ((()))

hippy ooh, excited? I am, when you gonna test?

I am excited, One born every minute starts tonight and then Shameless. :)

diege love the gear.

Congrats to dearest alba - fabulous birth.

I have not eaten any chocs, biscuits, puddings or crisps since last wednesday. I am possibly gonna do a Zumba class on Wednesday - but am worried about A)Dying of lack of air and B) putting my poor old back out.

I had a tiny bit of spotting when i got home from school so assume I am out for this month. I wish someone could just hypnotise me so that I no longer want another baby! I know it's different for some of you who are trying for first or second babies but I do feel that as I have my two boys I OUGHT to be bloody content to stop all this and step away gracefully ( at myself).

Hippy wanders off to find Derren Brown....